Campus atheists offer free porn in exchange for Bibles

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  1. saberjim says:

    “god” is sort of in the same category as Santa Claus, a useful delusion to some. Of course I am not really, really sure there isn’t a Santa Claus lurking somewhere but it is a pretty good operating theory that there isn’t since there is not a shred of proof for either. However, if there was a god I am sure he would detest religion.

    saberjim

  2. x says:

    Cory is a very smart person, and that makes him vulnerable to large lapses in knowledge. This is one of them.
    1) Pornography addiction is one of the fastest growing issues in our culture. 2) Churches and Bible readers provide the majority of care, food, housing for the poor in spirit and in need. What do atheists do?

    Militant Atheists are just as undesirable as militant Christians.

    This is may be the most insane and unproductive thing I have ever read from Doctorow. But the biggest thing? How is this compassionate? Cory is this love? Does this generate hope? I know those to be your values.

    The result of intolerant articles like this is an exclusivity that marginalizes BoingBoing.

    Someday Doctorow will learn the power of compassion and combined with his brilliance he will truly make a mark on the world.

  3. endymion says:

    … The the worst thing you can do for a cause is to defend it with bad arguments…. Thanks a lot, Atheist Agenda.

  4. Individual says:

    From reading “The Bible Unearthed” I came away with the conclusion the contents of the Torah were 9th-7th century propaganda rather than “Bronze Age tribalism.” I imagine the tribes of Semite herders were little different from the Native Americans in their harmony with nature and that little evil was born of their simple lifestyle. It was only in the clash of agriculturalists vs. native people everywhere that became known as civilization that these people would’ve behaved savagely and justifiably so, and only later with the propaganda and now with the state of Israel have embraced the thing that destroyed them.

  5. insert says:

    Militant atheists have always ground my gears. It’s perfectly fine with me to believe that God doesn’t exist (though I’m curious how you’re so sure) or to be completely unsure (which is ~ my position), but it’s the belief that you need to spread that gospel (I chose that word deliberately) that puzzles and annoys me.

    Yes, religion can cause people to do stupid things; yes, the Bible advocates outdated views. However, people like Kant and J.S. Mill advocated outdated, racist, sexist views too, but that’s no reason to throw their theories completely out with the bathwater. And money, materialism, greed, false ideas of science, true ideas of science, secular morality and general ridiculousness cause people to do stupid things too. Opposing religion entirely is not only futile, but replaces one potentially harmful influence with others. Why not let other people be with their own beliefs and faiths? Why not trust them to make decent decisions about their own psychology?

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Militant atheists have always ground my gears.

      I generally find atheist publicity stunts to be rather bitter and angry, but this seems clever and humorous. Of course, it would be funnier if they were handing out copies of Potiphar’s Wife 3: Assyrian Gangbang or 2amalekites1cup.

    • AnthonyC says:

      “It’s perfectly fine with me to believe that God doesn’t exist (though I’m curious how you’re so sure) or to be completely unsure (which is ~ my position), but it’s the belief that you need to spread that gospel (I chose that word deliberately) that puzzles and annoys me.”

      I’m with you on that last bit, but as for the rest, you’ve heard of Russell’s Teapot, yes? Total certainty and total uncertainty are not the only options, and even if there is a complete lack of evidence, it does not follow that the existence/non-existence question deserves even odds.

      You know the drill: in the absence of doubt, there would be no need for faith.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Can we dump Leviticus and get on with our lives as a society?

  7. Antinous / Moderator says:

    Most porn has gotten so formulaic and boring in the last few years, the Bible might actually be more stimulating.

  8. Anonymous says:

    “Opposing religion entirely is not only futile, but replaces one potentially harmful influence with others.”

    At what point did The Bible become “Religion Entirely”.

    Learn to read.

  9. RyantheGray says:

    The Bible does not say “a woman is worth half a man.” Rather it says that men and women are God’s image (http://ow.ly/2EIKx) and that, in Christ, men and women are one (http://ow.ly/2EIEe).

    Responding to the idea in the article that faith can be used inappropriately, you’re correct. Jesus said that many will come in His name and only come looking for money, not knowing Jesus Himself at all. Expect wolves in sheeps clothing (Jesus said that too).

    However, Christ can’t be blamed for His imposters. In fact, he should be flattered that so many cop his style.

  10. Anonymous says:

    I have been reading this article for about 1 hour or so and read a few funny points from both sides of the spectrum. Here’s my take on it. If someone wants to trade their Bible/Book of Mormon/Koran or any other religious book for porn that is up to them. Bottom line of you don’t like Porn/The Bible/Book of Mormon/Koran, etc here’s a novel idea….don’t read it. However don’t take away someone’s right to read or believe in or dont believe in whatever makes them happy as long as it dosen’t infringe on anyone else’s rights. BTW in case you were curious I attend a Christian church but have no problem with people who are Jew/Muslim/Atheist or anything else. There’s an old saying that says “let go and let God”. If people are so offended by people trading their Bibles for porn simply pray for them and put it in God’s hands.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Can we save the term “militant atheists” for when atheists shoot people or blow something up? Thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      “Can we save the term “militant atheists” for when atheists shoot people or blow something up? Thank you.”

      Ever heard of the USSR, People Republic of China, etc.?

      • rexdude says:

        The USSR and PRC weren’t exactly killing people for believing in a $DEITY, so what did their being atheist have to do with it?

      • dragonfrog says:

        “Can we save the term “militant atheists” for when atheists shoot people or blow something up? Thank you.”

        Ever heard of the USSR, People Republic of China, etc.?

        Yes, exactly – like them.

        Not like these guys, who are using a clever publicity stunt to start a civilized discussion with people they might not otherwise reach. You might find their tactics rude, but it’s fundamentally civilized, in that it involves an exchange of arguments, with the aim of persuading, and nobody ends up widowed or orphaned by it.

    • Wes E says:

      Guess you never heard of the “Great Cleansings” in communist China and Russia, Cambodia. I think atheists have just as much blood on their hands.

  12. Anonymous says:

    Please realize that atheists needs to be confrontational, “bitter”, “angry”, and “extreme” to survive. Being humble, nice, and kind, will not balance out the extremism on the other pole.

    Many seem to adopt the position that one bad athiest makes them all look bad, but this position isn’t rational unless you hold it toward muslims, christians, mormons, jews, etc.

    Weather you like it or not, we live in a system where views are dictated by loudmouth assholes, while placid kumbaya moderates do nothing but strap in for the ride.

  13. Made in DNA says:

    What a bunch of jerks. With this stupid stunt, they are simply ruining the otherwise good reputation of folks who don’t believe in deities.

  14. Anonymous says:

    ugh. seriously?

    Look, athiests.

    I’m not sure what I am as far as religion is concerned. What I do know, though, is that every person should be allowed to appreciate and get what they want to out of the religious group they choose.

    I think the best way to describe me is Reform Jewish. I had a Bar Mitzvah. My wedding is going to be in a Sanctuary. I like cheeseburgers. Jesus was a cool dude but certainly not a god. Thats what I believe.

    As far as the whole “existence of god” thing, I know you don’t like it, but please, for fuck’s sake, realize that you handing out porn in exchange for the holy bible is not only proselytizing your beliefs, but is demeaning the choices others make. At the same time, it is just making you all look as stupid as the devout religious nuts-for-god people want you to look. It isn’t helping your case at all.

    Please, if any of you can reach this post, tell me how doing stuff like this makes you any better than the preachers that go off to some third world and talk everyone into converting to their religion. Tell me how doing this sort of thing is any better than some ‘religious’ person telling everyone that isn’t them that they are going to hell because their way is the one, true way to live, period, end of story.

    Tell me why you do this sort of thing if you really want to be taken seriously, at all?

  15. Anoracle says:

    This ‘idea’ and effort appears the best I have ever heard of for penetrating the Mind-Controlled resistance of the religiously indoctrinated for the purpose of arousing their deadened or dormant innate powers for critical thinking! Every other means that has been tried to get the religious fanatics to possibly evaluate the evils and lies of their so-called “Holy Books” have come up aginst a solid wall of refusal. And, if nothing more comes of this effort to trade one type of “Pornography” for the atrocious murder and “Pornograohy” of the “Bible”, at least a light is shone on some of the evils indicated in the writings portrayed therein. And, the Media ‘Circus” that this creates helps get the message out! That “Religion” is based on lies!
    Tolerance perpetuates the evil callled “Religion”!
    Religion uses the most devious and effective means of MIND-CONTROL!
    ‘They’ corrupt the minds of innocent children and naive fools by brainwashing and indoctrination. Thus they exercise excessive control over these helpless beings and force them to their knees to beg forgiveness for some so-called ‘evil’ “sins” the victims know nothing whatsoever about.
    And while these victims are there on their knees in front of their “Confessor”, they are at risk of attack from one of the many pedophiles who purposely seek this sort of work in order to be near the defenseless ones!

    These “Religious” “Priests”, “Ministers”, “Rabbis”, “Imams” and other “Confessors” force upon their ‘flock’ of victims a series of lies used to enslave them to a belief in a “Ghostly-Apparition” and other “Supernatural” entities which has the effect of rendering them toady robots and cohortic proselytizers for the rest of their lives!

    Religion is organized crime!

  16. Crashproof says:

    I oppose obnoxious asshattery, regardless of the person’s religious beliefs or opposition to them or lack thereof.

    I don’t get religions that expect, in the modern era, for their stories to be taken literally and to supercede science. But I also don’t get atheists who are equally GRRRRRR!!! about laid-back, non-proselytizing, non-fundamentalist religions.

    As an occasional Discordian though, I can’t help but grin at this. :)

  17. Nylund says:

    As an atheist, I highly object to this idea. I think it reflects badly on each and every one of them. I’m only a couple hours away from them and I have half a mind to drive down there and tell them to stop.

    But, at an atheist, I must admit that I do enjoy pointing out that in the very same story that many Christians use to demonize homosexuality two daughters take turns getting their father drunk so that they can each have sex with him. Later, they each give birth to his babies.

    I mean seriously, we’re supposed to think gays are bad because of a story that talks favorably of drunken incest babies?! How is having sex with someone of your own gender wrong when it is apparently perfectly acceptable to have drunken father/daughter sex?

    • Anonymous says:

      Ehhh, this particular Biblical story does not endorse incest, drunkenness, or the like. Just because a story appears in the Bible, doesn’t mean it is meant instruct per sé. If one is able to look at the Bible in an objective manner, taking into account the time it was written, the customs and laws of the day and which stories are more allegorical than historical…a great deal of good can be gleaned from it.

      Also, people often forget that Levitical law stuff that is found in the Old Testament was basically eradicated by Jesus when he came on the scene. Jesus established a new set of “laws” that were to trump the old. It’s people that adhere to the old laws that usually end up getting a bit crazy. I challenge any atheist to find anything morally wrong with the teachings of Jesus. Doesn’t matter if you consider him a deity or not.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Well lets question everything then! Why pay rent? why
    listen to authority? why attend that college? Atheism is
    anarchy. Take God out of the picture, take all morals with it and you get what we have now….a slow degradation of society. For once people should listen to their conscience, its in there. But if you condition someone over time they become numb to the facts, and apparently become atheist. Everyone on Earth fears DEATH, its an unknown, its out of fear they make these suggestions. Why ruin it with a God? If there was a God then I would be responsible for my actions, therefore, I prefer anonymity, do what I want when I want. If they have a better suggestion lets hear it?! Thats fine they have an opinion, replace it with a ‘solution’ for society, a greater motivator for life. Were all ears!

    • Anonymous says:

      This is a VERY VERY sad and old Argument. OK People let’s get one thing straight.

      Religion DOES NOT = Morality.

      Atheism DOES NOT = Immorality.

      Morality stems from Empathy, a person’s ability to sympathize with others, or failing Empathy it stems from fear of reprisal from the laws of the land. Just because you don’t believe in a “God” does not mean that you cannot be a good person and/or life a good and wholesome life. Get a grip people.

      • jf1977 says:

        @Anon • #137

        see Ito’s comment. It’s just possible they were trying to get you to consider options (to…think).

        You said…”Blaming everything bad on the “absence” of God conflicts with the premise that God exists, created everything and is omnipotent (everywhere). If there is a god and an absence of god somewhere, that is by that god’s own doing.”

        Ever hear of the concept of Free Will? The absence of God in a person’s life is by their own choice. BTW – Omnipotent means all powerful; Omnipresent means everywhere.

        You said…”As an atheist, I don’t care if others believe in a god, if it does not infringe on my rights and activities, but when someone tries to peddle it like a snake oil seller, as you did, it pisses me off!”

        Interesting, apparently you do care–because it pisses you off. So free speech is only OK when it aligns with your views and doesn’t “piss you off”? How exactly did he infringe on your rights?

        Good stuff, Anon • #137!!!

        • Anonymous says:

          Is it possible that whatever the goal, making up some story with no basis of truth, to reinforce a point of view is bullshit?

          You mention Free Will, where someone chooses to make God absent, but this is hypocrisy. By the very definition of a GOD, creating everything and making up all the rules, he then makes imperfect beings and gives them the option to remove godliness from a certain zone around them, in a particular time frame, so they can do something bad? How ridiculous is that? Where is the free will when God makes the rules up, then makes people the way they are? Why would a god create a test laboratory of defective equipment set them off with less guidance than a toaster manual and see if eventually, they’ll start worshiping him? What kind of inventor craves the equipment he makes, spend it’s time worshiping him? (except a sex doll manufacturer)

          The whole concept of a god and free will existing in the same universe is ridiculous. If there is free will, it is because there is NO god, not because there is one.

          You say I do care that people believe because a someone peddling god with bullshit pisses me off. You need to learn to read better.

          I don’t care that other people believe in a god. I do care that people make up bullshit to try to sell me on the idea of a god. Big difference.

          I also never stated anyone infringed on my rights. I stated I don’t care if someone believes in a god, so long as that belief does not infringe on my rights. Learn to read.

          If a persons beliefs include making other people live the way they do and they try to force or coerce others into such behavior, then I have a problem with that belief system, especially when I am one of the people it affects. One example is religious based law, such as banning the sale of alcohol on Sundays, because it’s a Christian day of worship. Total bullshit.

          As George Carlin said; The first (and only) commandment should be: “Keep Thy Religion To Thy Self”

  19. Anonymous says:

    What is someone wanted to trade their porn in for a bible? Would they be ok with that?

  20. RedShirt77 says:

    There are several things wrong with this post. Most notably that you link to a 2005 story by tucker carlson. A well known douche and current fox news commentator.

  21. GoGo Vicmorrow says:

    This is dumb and immature.
    Congratulations you were controversial in 1982.
    You’ve taken a lot of good lessons, and a lot of classic literature and traded it out for pornography.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Great idea, very interesting :)

  23. Ed Frome says:

    In response to a couple of posts denouncing the use of the word “smut” to describe the Holy Bible because of its lack of sexual content…

    “Porn is smut, therefore smut is porn” is a logical fallacy. The definition of smut is much more inclusive than that.

    I’ve recently been reading the words Moses claimed were straight from the mouth of God, in which the term “abomination” is used frequently and is mostly used by fundamentalists to justify hatred toward homosexuals. They fail to mention that it is also an abomination for a woman to dress in men’s clothing (jeans?) and vice versa. It’s also an abomination to consult horoscopes, or for a man to remarry a woman whose second husband died or divorced her (That’s a strange one). There is a lengthy list of animals we’re not supposed to eat because, yes, that would be an abomination. Sacrificing a bad-tasting animal? That’s an abomination. Fire walking? That’s an abomination. Bringing pimp money into church? You better believe that’s an abomination.

    Here is a partial list the people God wants you to kill:
    Any member of your family who tries to convince you to worship other gods.
    Any of your neighbors who worship other gods.
    Your wife, upon the discovery that she isn’t a virgin.
    An engaged woman who has sex with another man.
    A rebellious son.

    This is the the type of smut that can be found in the bible.

  24. Tom Hale says:

    Someone should publish a Bible with all of those bad things -like incest, a woman is worth half a man, etc. removed. Christians are mostly concerned with salvation, yours and their own. The fact that the Bible contains some bad things has nothing to do with how the Bible tells us to live our live in a way that pleases God.

    • Ito Kagehisa says:

      Someone should publish a Bible with all of those bad things … removed.

      Have you tried the Jefferson Bible? It’s not exactly what you’re asking for, but interesting.

      http://www.amazon.com/Jefferson-Bible-Thomas/dp/0807077143

      Ethan Allen’s “Reason: the Only Oracle of Man” is interesting too, but mostly for the historical perspective. You probably won’t like it if you aren’t a history buff, it’s a tough read.

    • RedShirt77 says:

      >Someone should publish a Bible with all of those bad things

      They are called superman commics. Read them, enjoy, be saved.

      • Tom Hale says:

        If you were to take the parts of the Bible that the vast majority of Christians really care about, most of it would just be a guide similar to the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Add a CliffsNotes version of the things one should do to be ‘saved’ and remain ‘saved’ and I’m pretty sure most Christians would be happy to have that handed out instead of the whole Bible.

  25. fnc says:

    Well, I know which material is easier to masturbate to. For me at least.

    Reminds me of the stunt where a prankster went around to peoples’ homes passing out pamphlets promoting atheism. The results were, predictable. But it did throw into sharp relief the differences in behavior you see in atheists and religious people.

  26. Anonymous says:

    “realize that you handing out porn in exchange for the holy bible is not only proselytizing your beliefs”

    Atheism is not a belief. It’s the complete absence of one, innit.

  27. Anonymous says:

    So let me get this straight:

    Bible, because of its views of women = bad

    but porn which is legalized prostitution, and objectification of women = good?

    im just curious if anyone here has actually read the Bible? or just about it.

    • Anonymous says:

      I personally have read the Bible several times in my lifetime. I was raised in a VERY strict Christian Home and due to the things I saw growing up I no longer have any faith in Christians or Christianity in general. Also because of the things I saw I no longer have any belief that there is a God of any kind. The Pastor of my former Church is the one who actually killed my faith by telling me that even he doesn’t believe in the Bible’s true message, only those things which he can use to his gain. Now all this being said and having read the Bible SEVERAL TIMES (cover to cover) in my lifetime, I agree with their argument. There are MUCH worse things in the Bible than there are in pictures of a consenting adult who agreed to be photographed in the nude.

      • jf1977 says:

        @Anon 137

        I am very sorry that lives that your parents and pastor lead did not demonstrate the love that we are obligated to show for each other…truly a shame (on them). Hopefully, when you told them the impact it had on your life, they realized the error of their ways, asked for your forgiveness, and have worked hard to change their behavior.

        Clearly, there are many kind (and unkind) people of all beliefs (and non-belief). In the end though, your unbelief in God is your free-will choice…not your parents’ or your ex-pastor’s.

        • jf1977 says:

          previous post regarding parents/pastor/unbelief was directed at #125 not #137. i apologize for the confusion.

  28. Anonymous says:

    I would love to give my bible to an atheist if they want it; they need it more than I do.

  29. Anonymous says:

    Man, I’d be down for some free porn, I have quite a few bibles sitting around that I won’t ever read.

    Unless it’s just magazines filled with page after page of goatse, in which case I’ll just keep my bibles.

  30. saberjim says:

    Perhaps if this little tempest in a teapot serves no other purpose it will be to let other un-, anti-, atheists know that there are more rational people like them in this world than one might think.

    The more we show our society that we exist and are normal, moral citizens the more it will encourage other doubters to come out of the closet. The toxic mold of organized religion will continue to fade away only when exposed to the light of reason.

  31. MACDONALDBANK1 says:

    Civilization goes back 1,000,000 years; 996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews and 998,000 years pre-dating the myth of Christianity which is a mere 2010 years old. There is little scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of that cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate Christianity – a fantasy – which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world. The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world. Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth. The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions’ absolute evil. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists – who practice their bogus hocus pocus – and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society. Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person … not chosen by God. Do you want to be lambs at the slaughter or be wise and reject religious cultist manipulation? Mean & nasty; run by evil and bogus religious cults from Rome or wherever. Is this the world you want? The pope talks about ending prejudice and hate; what a hypocrite! Religion is a crutch for the insecure. Appreciate every day and if there is no tomorrow; then know that you were fortunate to have lived on this earth!

    Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien told the Vatican that there was to be no cross erected over the Canadian Parliament buildings … figuratively speaking; when the Pope demanded the Prime Minister go against gay rights. An Alberta bishop had the audacity to say that The Canadian Prime Minister would go to hell for going against the church. Such outrageous evil threats. The Right Honourable Prime Minister … in return; basically told the Pope to go to Hell! The Honourable Irwin Cotler, Canadian Minister of Justice, stood for equal rights for the gay community. With reference to protecting the children. The Honourable Hedy Fry, member of the Canadian Liberal Parliament, who happens to be a doctor who delivered many babies; spoke eloquently to defend the rights of babies being born and stated that she was in fact defending their rights by speaking on behalf of equal rights for the children and youth of the future — defending their integrity and dignity. Minority rights should be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate government.

    This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. That bogus black book called the bible should be banned. Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. Love between two guys or girls existed long before these cults existed. By enjoying their tax exempt status and benefits from the state … it also puts them at the mercy of state; to be forced to adhere to the human rights laws. Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned.
    I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Although we as young children would sneak out the side door and play by the cannon from World War One where my grand-father fought for freedom as a Sgt Mgr at Vimy and father who fought at Normandy on D-Day for democracy. Onward christian soldiers … I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross. One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another … and if there is it might be given by a God of Love.

    A great story … pertains to a boy at a catholic school in Oshawa, Ontario … who wanted to take his boyfriend to his school prom. The evil catholic school forbid this. One of the boy’s father is an employee with General Motors Canada and the courageous union leader … Buzz Hargrove stood up for the boys’ rights. The boy took his case through the courts and because the evil catholic school was benefiting from government funding which demands equal rights void of discrimination; the judge ordered the school to allow the two young boys to attend together. Their limo arrived at their prom with adoring onlookers.

    To think of Matthew Shepard choking on his own blood after being savagely beaten; virtually sanctioned by the church … is evil beyond comprehension … yet is the same as boys being bullied into suicide; most likely being supported by the bullies parents’ religious cults. Bigotry and hatemongering against gays should be banned. Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don’t shine … and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever … with its final station; extinction. It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives … is shameful. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return … it is something that should be celebrated! If it is between two guys or girls … all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

    • Anonymous says:

      MacDonaldBank1 – your paleoanthropology and your history is really, really not well informed. Civilization is less than 10,000 years old; humans as a species originated 200,000 years ago, and Hominina go back around 5 million years. No one, including Constantine himself, thought him a Pope. At this point, I didn’t even bother reading any more.

  32. Anonymous says:

    > My feeling is that religion and faith, like music or sports or drugs or creativity, is a way of making parts of your brain light up in a way that is pleasurable and that often encourages you to do good.

    As we know, there’s no light without shadow. The problem with belief is, that it has to be armored against doubt and rational argument. This tendency results in stuff like creationism, where ‘the book’ is truer than any evidence and doubt is ‘the evil’.

    Belief offers a shield against the hurts and fears of existence itself e.g. sickness, death, loneliness, humiliation, the feeling of senselessness, you name it. I doubt that handing out porn is a good answer to those questions. Good as a PR-stunt, though.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Why “smut for smut”? Why not something superior for something holy?

  34. Anonymous says:

    religious people give out bibles to everyone. atheists give porns. long lives free speech!

  35. Anonymous says:

    Action of these militant atheists are reflection of Christianity , church forced people in believing.

    So non believers are using same tactics and tools to oppose.

  36. Brandon says:

    You yayhoos are all wrong. This is obviously the work his Noodliness, the FSM. Why did it take 100 comments for someone to figure this out?

  37. Laurel L. Russwurm says:

    You can tell people what to think or feel or believe, but you can’t make them think or feel or believe what you want them to think or feel or believe.

    These people are graphically illustrating their point that bibles and porn are both bad and more, are equivalent. This isn’t a prank, it’s an educational program.

    It seems a perfectly reasonable reaction to the kind of religious bullying that frequently goes on in communities dominated by one religion or sect. Interestingly enough, the membership rolls of many established religions are filled with people who don’t actually believe, but who belong in order to survive in their community.

    If you only behave morally from the fear god will smite you, it says a lot about the quality of your morals.

    x • #99 wrote: “Churches and Bible readers provide the majority of care, food, housing for the poor in spirit and in need. “

    First: not true. Authoritative statistics please? Aside from government assistance, there are plenty of non-religious groups helping others.

    Second: “Provide” as in:
    If you subscribe to our religion our religion will give you handouts to keep you and your family alive. Most religious “help” comes with a very high price tag. This is not always true, as there is one religious aid society that I know of which does not always attach strings.

    Atheism is not a religion or “a belief like any other” it is an absence of belief.

    • Anonymous says:

      @136: I’m reminded here of Communism and Fascism as practiced in the USSR and Nazi Germany. A lot of party members found the party to be fundamentally wrong, but joined anyway because they had to. The similarities to those failed systems are fascinating.

      To be honest, having someone walk up to me and say “You’re damned to hell for not believing what I believe in.” is pretty offensive and intrusive. The general response is, “I believe in neither heaven nor hell, so how will I get there, exactly?”

  38. Tristan Eldtritch says:

    Since the only impact this is likely to have on religious people is to make them more entrenched in their beliefs, how exactly does this advance the Atheist Agenda? On the subject of evangelical atheism, I love the following quote, from Robert Anton Wilson: “The fundamentalist Christains have told me that I am a slave of Satan and should have the demons expelled in an exorcism. The fundamentalist Materialists inform me that I am a liar, charlatan, fraud, and scoundrel. Apart from this minor difference, the letters are astonishly similar. Both groups share the same crusading zeal and the same total lack of humour, charity, and common human decency.”

  39. cosmorphis says:

    The thing you are quoting “a woman is worth half a man” is not in the Bible.

  40. Anonymous says:

    As a Christian, I don’t like this. I’m trying to discover why it matters to me.

    At it’s heart this exchange is an attack on Christian symbolism. It’s one of the most disrespectful acts imaginable, which takes something we hold with reverence and equating it with filth. I think Dawkins set the tone for this kind of discourse when he openly attacked all people of faith as “delusional,” therefor somehow deserving of disrespect and ridicule. Like this protest, Dawkins ignorantly ignored hundreds of years of stimulating debates that have gone on and opted for the most sensational, if ignorant, attack possible based largely around lazy textual interpretation. I don’t understand why such disrespect is tolerated (and often celebrated on the internet) when Christians are the group being attacked. Would it be OK to similarly attack the symbols of other groups? If for instance they didn’t like the idea of America, would it be OK to attack the symbol of America by burning the flag in public or perhaps exchanging American flags for flags with painted swastikas? It’s just symbolism after all… why is such an act offensive? And further, what’s wrong with deliberately offending others?

    I think we’ve previously come to an unspoken agreement that this kind of public disrespect aimed at a particular group is a pretty indecent way to treat your neighbor. Anti-theist are quick to point out that we don’t need religion as a source of ethical behavior, but whatever system of ethics this group is demonstrating seems pretty vulgar, demeaning, and disrespectful. I can’t imagine living in the kind of world they would create if they succeed in making more converts.

  41. Anonymous says:

    huh? why, what’s wrong with porn??

  42. docbombay says:

    Yeah, sounds like a gag that most people didn’t get. Also, as someone who most others would call an athiest (technically agnostic), you’ll never convince anyone. No one goes through decades of repetition (specifically to the end of “brainwashing”) and ritual just to have a conversation on the street or in a coffee shop and realize, “Hey, the idea of god, any god, is highly unlikely!” I think it is probably a much more personal revelation than that.

    Also, I have very little problem with street preachers for any religion; be it an atheist saying, “God is dead!”, or an evangelist saying, “Jesus lives!” or a crazy, homeless person saying, “Modern textiles will be your undoing!” They’re all just enjoying the more important concept of free speech.

    And I have few problems with most xians because I have few problems with most people. Xians are no different. However, I do agree with MCDONALDBANK1 that the Catholic Church has become absolutely corrupted from their near absolute power 600ish years ago and it will only continue to hinder mankind’s progress towards peace and civility because they stand to profit from neither. Fuck the pope, I will personally dismantle his gaudy, ostentatious palace down onto his Nazi head, brick by golden brick.

    • Ito Kagehisa says:

      “Hey, the idea of god, any god, is highly unlikely!”

      Sigh… here we go again.

      If your God is a piece of cheese you keep in a bell jar, then your God exists.

      Saying “any god is unlikely to exist” is not reasonable, logical or philosophically sound – it’s just demonstrating a lack of imagination.

      • rexdude says:

        @Ito – If everyone actually kept their religious beliefs private, the world would be a better place.
        Unfortunately this is not the case, especially when the monotheist religions insist on proselytization(by the sword if necessary).
        Religion should be a private affair. You should have the right to believe in whatever you want to believe, but not to impose it on others.

      • djn says:

        Alternatively, he was working on the implicit assumption that people would read him in a sensible way – e.g “The likelihood of anything a large section of the populace would agree qualifies as a ‘god’ existing is very low”.

        Ah well, semantics games are interesting.
        If I revere my table as a God, does that make it one? I’d say no, for much the same reason that treating a painting as my girlfriend wouldn’t make it one.

        • Anonymous says:

          Ah well, semantics games are interesting.

          Semantics is not a game, unless you are intellectually dishonest. It is a means for people of good faith to resolve real issues of communication.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics

          If I revere my table as a God, does that make it one? I’d say no, for much the same reason that treating a painting as my girlfriend wouldn’t make it one.

          This “game” is not being played in good faith.

          If I paint a unique work of art on your girlfriend’s flesh, your girlfriend is a painting, regardless of how you treat her.

          You see? I just used semantics in a bad way, to prove you are stupid and I am smart. Stop doing that!

          When you insist that only your arbitrarily limited definition of a word, which only serves your purposes, can possibly be valid, you are either unimaginative or dishonest.

          In the interests of communication, you need to understand that there are plenty of definitions of God besides your rigidly Judeo-Christian one. Don’t be one of the retarded (meaning, “slow to comprehend”) atheists who insists that God may only be defined as “that which has no reality or corporal existence”.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

  43. mgfarrelly says:

    I’m a Unitarian Universalist, and a number of people in my congregation are Agnostic, even Atheists, who look to our church as a way of being part of a larger social community. As Cory put it, it lights up part of their brain.

    I’ve had exactly one awful “confrontation” with someone who was an Atheist and was trying to provoke an argument with me (and other) at a party. He was roundly rebuked by…other Atheists. Cliche as it sounds, some of my best friends don’t believe in God, and we talk about faith and non-faith all the time, in civil tones, with humor even.

    These kinds of stunts just serve to justify those who buy into the stereotype that Atheists are pushy or rude. If they were trading out copies of “The God Delusion” or “Origin of the Species” or even tickets to a Natural History museum they’d be making an earnest point and perhaps sparking a discussion, not an argument.

  44. Ito Kagehisa says:

    If people have a Bible, they most likely have it for a reason.

    Yes, I imagine a stack of porn makes a lousy doorstop.

  45. rsk says:

    I like it. It’s the kind of in-your-face stuff that we “militant atheists” should be doing. It’s arrogant, mocking, and hostile — thus an entirely appropriate reaction to religion, any religion.

    • samiam6 says:

      Great opinions pro and con on this discussion.

      Maybe we need to clarify terms though, for atheists and non-atheists alike.

      It’s not set in stone, but here’s the terminology I like:

      Theist – person who believes
      Atheist – person who does not
      Anti-Theist – person who advocates that people don’t believe

      I tend to swing between the bottom two. Normally I only drop to the bottom when someone from the top is preaching to me.

    • jf1977 says:

      fair enough…shout to the mountaintops there is no creator!

      How did the universe come into being?

      “I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details.” (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p.202)

      • Jonathan Badger says:

        Einstein was following the German humanist tradition where “God” is basically what we in English would call “Mother Nature”; a humorous personification of natural forces rather than a literal being. He did not believe in “God” in a religious sense and was quite vocal about that. I wish theists would stop misrepresenting Einstein, but I guess it even happened while he was alive, as he wrote:

        ‘It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.’ — Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds.,

        • jf1977 says:

          Yeah, Yeah…he believed in Spinoza’s version of God.

          BTW…No one said he did.

          He still believed in a creator — because he understood the laws of physics. Once you can’t explain why the laws blow apart at the point of singularity, you have to either acknowledge that an external force (outside of the laws) started this universe or you claim that it’s been here forever (because you have no real answer–Hawking/Hartle, etc).

          Once you acknowledge a creator, then the next step is to determine whether you believe He had a plan for the universe. Again, the immense complexity and mind-bending probabilities for all of this to exist and work the way it does convinces many scholars that He did have a plan.

          According to a study done by Rice University, a large percentage of scientists have come to the same conclusion. “About two-thirds of scientists believe in God, according to a new survey that uncovered stark differences based on the type of research they do.”

          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8916982

          Once you acknowledge a Creator and that He had a plan, a reasonable set of questions might be…
          - Why did He make the universe and us?
          - What’s my role in this?
          - What do I owe the Being that created me?
          It is this set of questions that many people don’t want to consider because they might have to acknowledge that they are not really “in charge” and could be accountable to a greater Being.

          This last statement is where Einstein ended up. He was a great physical scientist…it is a shame he didn’t apply his gift to the broader questions! In fact, he admitted he knew virtually nothing about the metaphysical realm.

          “We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, Page 208)

          “I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?” (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 208)

          Hmmm…Intelligent design? What do you owe him?

    • Anonymous says:

      Hmmmm…”arrogant, mocking, and hostile”

      or…Faith, Hope and Love 1Cor 13:13

      I’ll bet people are drawn to you! ;-)

    • Tdawwg says:

      How stirring. All you’re missing are the noble strains of the Te Deum and a nice big bonfire.

  46. Anonymous says:

    haha I actually go to this school, the whole thing was blown way out of proportion, there wasn’t like a big tent set up with a giant sign saying free porn for bibles or anything

  47. zio_donnie says:

    i distrust people with moral “agendas”. why does an atheist have to shout out his beliefs or try to impose them on others? this is what religious fanatics do.

    i am not a religious person and i laugh at the crazy ladies that see the mark of the beast on everything that they do not understand but i find militant atheists as irritating and humorless as their religious counterparts.

    people like these are like PETA nuts. start with a noble cause end sounding crazy and stupid.

  48. Ant says:

    Can anyone give me the Bible reference for where it says “a woman is worth half a man”? Thanks.

    • glaborous immolate says:

      I think Mr Doctrow is being a bit tendentious about the “half a man” thing. And the passage that covers it, Leviticus 27:2-5 is certainly not even one of the “smut” passages of the bible (a ridiculous claim anyway: yes, there are descriptions of people having sex, but the “literal” ones are pretty much about bad things that the Bible’s writers aren’t APPROVING, and the approved ones like Song of Solomon are in mostly symbolized terms)

      Anyway, Lev 27 says that if you dedicate someone to tabernacle service, you have to pay 20 shekels for an adult man, or 10 shekels for an adult woman. Scholars disagree what the payment is for. Some see it as a payment that accompanies the person. Others (I think this is right) argue that since, except for the tribe of Levi, general Israelites couldn’t actually serve at the tabernacle, it was a compensatory “buy back” that you had to offer. So, instead of dedicating your son or servant to the tabernacle as a pious way of making an offering, since your offered person couldn’t actually serve, you had to pay a fee. And the women’s fee was less.

      Big whoop. Kids and oldsters were cheaper too. And kids and oldsters had less disparity in price too. What does that prove? Israel was less sexist about old people? Its kinda like people who complain about the 3/5ths of a person thing in the constitution without realizing it was the slaveholders who wanted slaves counted 100%, since it would increase their rep in congress.

      Anyway, that aside, the “smut” accusation is silly. The worst I can think of is in Ezekiel where the prophet complains about the lust of Israel for other nations protection (and thus their idolatrous gods) and says its like them going after those nations because they’re hung and ejaculate like horses. Graphic, yes. Smut, not. It’s purpose isn’t to titillate, but to pejoratively characterize someone.

      Somebody want to demonstrate that the Bible seeks to titillate with smutty descriptions, Canticles is your best shot, but most all of that is in symbolic language (and describes a divinely sanctioned marital relationship anyway.)

      • Ant says:

        glaborous immolate, I knew I didn’t understand it!

        I believe Cory does not usually shoot from the hip, so when he says “The idea is to highlight that the Bible is as full of bad ideas and bad depictions of those ideas (“a woman is worth half a man”) as pornography” I assumed there was a verse that actually said that god said that a woman is worth half a man.

        Perhaps there is another passage to this effect we’ve overlooked…

    • wormbaby says:

      Sure Ant try Leviticus 27. Goes along the lines of “And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver…. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. ” Worth exactly half. Of course it’s not only the jews and xians who have an embarrasing book “And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women. — Quran 2:282 “

      • MrsBug says:

        Re: Lev 27:1-9

        Actually, what they are discussing here is people who have made a vow to the Lord and they are basically redeeming themselves from the vow – completing it, so to speak. People are being valued according to their ability to pay or for their parent’s/family’s ability to pay. I don’t believe this talks about their value as people.

      • jweedy says:

        Er, that is about consecrating a vow, or redemption of things vowed to God. “Persons were assigned a value according to their age and general usefulness to society; especially in an agricultural society, there was a definite sense in which a man between 20 and 50 was more “valuable” than a child one month to five years old.”

      • GoGo Vicmorrow says:

        This doesn’t technically mean they are worth half..
        It doesn’t have to mean they are paying them less because they are women. Jobs were different, you know, thousands of years ago. Sure today for the most part anyone can do any job, then it was a different story, it was all manual labor. Women are not the physical equal to men.. you can’t really argue that. We just watched the entire olympic games that make a point of this.

        • arkizzle / Moderator says:

          GoGo Vicmorrow,

          Leviticus 27 is not about wages or work. It is about vows and offerings to god.

          From Bible.org :

          Simply viewed, offering a vow is practicing a kind of “credit card” act of worship. It is a promise to worship God with a certain offering in the future, motivated by gratitude for God’s grace in the life of the offerer. The reason for the delay in making the offering was that the offerer was not able, at that moment to make the offering. The vow was made, promising to offer something to God if God would intervene on behalf of the individual, making the offering possible. In many instances, the vow was made in a time of great danger or need. The Rabbis believed that the gifts which were vowed in Leviticus 27 were to be used for the maintenance of the Temple.

          It’s like preemptive Indulgences, but for danger, rather than sin.

          • GoGo Vicmorrow says:

            Ah thanks.. I based my comment on the qoute I had on hand from the comment I was replying too. Religion not quite my thing.

      • Anonymous says:

        Actuallly, according to the OT, only between the ages of 5 an 20 does this hold “true”. Oh yeah, context might help, they were a male-dominated, agrarian society.

        Did Christ espouse this line of thought? Or…did he defend the adulterous woman from being stoned, eat with tax collectors and sinners, etc.

        ‘If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the LORD by giving equivalent values, set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel; and if it is a female, set her value at thirty shekels. If it is a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels and of a female at ten shekels. If it is a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels of silver and that of a female at three shekels of silver. If it is a person sixty years old or more, set the value of a male at fifteen shekels and of a female at ten shekels.’

      • Ant says:

        wormbaby, thanks for that. I looked it up; I’m not too sure what’s going on (BTW 30 != 50/2). But I get the feeling it would be bloody scary to live under the tyranny of the religious authorities in those days.

        • wormbaby says:

          Ant. Yeah saw the math error in there the second I hit send but check out the passages it also sets different prices based on age as well. Seems to me bible thumbers should be in favor of price controlls lol.

      • Anonymous says:

        Right, because tax laws = estimation of human value. I can tell you, my parents pay a helluva lot more in taxes than I do – does this mean U.S. tax law considers them worth more than me?

  49. Anonymous says:

    Why doesn’t anyone get it? The very existence of Atheists is insulting to Theists. Anything we do will be considered hateful or at best arrogant. Theists would not be happy unless we are silent while they encroach on the rights of others. Really, we would prefer to never mention our atheism, but when Theist want to take people’s rights away then we have to speak out. Any (peaceful) Atheist campaign, positive or negative, will work to our benefit because at this point any publicity is good publicity.

  50. DJ Fatso Stupid says:

    The idea that we can’t know that there is no God is silly. The very notion that there is such a thing as perfect, unassailable knowledge is the thing I would most like people to give up on. What we actually call knowledge, what we actually call the truth, is the best we can do. That definitely stuff is pure fiction that has as much to do with actual knowledge as phlogiston has to do with actual heat or impetus has to do with actual momentum (or for that matter, as our current conceptions of heat and momentum likely have to do with the truth that we will discover in the next century or two).

    I know there is no God, no mother nature, no intelligent forces that shaped our universe as well as I know that I exist at all and almost as well as I know the sun will rise tomorrow.

    On this particular prank, it seems a little ironic to hear people complain about “militant atheists” being humourless while condemning this prank which serves no purpose other than to be humourous.

  51. Anonymous says:

    In God’s world there is no religion

    • Anonymous says:

      “In God’s world there is no religion”
      And where did you get that from? The Bible?

      I find people who believe in a God, fill in all the blanks with something they made up themselves. When people say “That happened that way because God has a plan”, or “Jesus wants you to max out your credit card, so we can keep the ministry going” are just making stuff up to manipulate others, or to justify contradictions between reality and their belief system.

  52. Anonymous says:

    This is such a bad idea I thought it was a right wing hoax to make atheists look really, really bad. I’m an atheist but these antics only serve and amuse the wing nuts on either side.

  53. Anonymous says:

    And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver…. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.

    And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

    And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.

    And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels. — Leviticus 27:3-7

  54. Anonymous says:

    I think atheists and fundies have the exact same problems. They are both intollerant of other’s views and they both take the Bible literally.

  55. oohShiny says:

    *sigh*

    One: please don’t feed the trolls. Anger is omnomnom.

    Two: a great many atheists are not “militant” and want only to be left out of mainstream america’s (western civilization’s?) arguably irrational beliefs. I love one. Please have some respect.

    Three: this ‘trade’ was probably not meant to be insulting, but was most likely meant to stimulate discussion — and look, it has.

  56. jf1977 says:

    From the original blog post:
    religion and faith make some people do bad things…[it can be] exploited to get people to do terrible things (cf violent religious extremism), or merely things that are not good for them (deferring to religious authorities with bad ideas, giving money they can’t afford to religious causes).

    WOW — at what point do we admit that we all have free will to make choices which have consequences?

    It’s amazing how “the masses” that don’t believe as you do, or really aren’t smart enough to understand things, can be manipulated so easily. They DEFINITELY have to be protected [from spending their money improperly, keeping them away from religious zealots advocating murder] by the smarter people like you. That’s the scariest thought on this blog!

  57. Anonymous says:

    LOL! What a pack of maroons! Atheism only has two tenets: 1) God does not exist, and 2) I hate him and anyone who believes in him.

  58. Anonymous says:

    I think porn in a hotel drawer is much more useful than a Gideons bible. It would be read more and provide more comfort.

    I wouldn’t touch it though, but mainly for hygiene reasons, that apply to most things in a hotel room.

  59. Anonymous says:

    Many of your comment are sad, very sad. If a permit were required to allow one to speak, I would vote yours be suspended, until you gained more wisdom. As you do not likely read the bible ,only porn, wisdom begins with the fear of God.

    lw

  60. Anonymous says:

    Why so much attention and activity over something you don’t even believe in? People who see this are just reiterated with the notion non-believers are all people who want others to walk away from Christ. What do these people think they are going to accomplish by doing this? I hate so question someones intelligence, but these folks aren’t helping their “team” out much. Here’s the message you’re putting out to the public: ‘We’re atheists and we do bad things for our own amusement and fun.’ Is this really the way you want to be seen?

    • Anonymous says:

      In what way is Pornography “bad”? EVERYONE involved with the production of Pornography is a Consenting Adult. What is so effing “evil” about the naked human body? For those Christians out there, when your “God” made you you were nude then too. Does that make “God” evil?

  61. technogeek says:

    Shrug. Atheism is a religious belief like any other, and in general I dislike folks who proselytize; it’s inherently disrespectful. (I’ve had to tell more than one individual that my beliefs are as considered as his, and that just as he would be offended if someone pestered him to give up his religion, I’m displeased by his presuming that he can approach me that way.)

    So I consider this stunt borderline amusing, borderline offensive, generally misguided… and, frankly, pretty darned boring.

  62. Anonymous says:

    Anon•#107 is talking sense–these college kids pulled off a prank to get a rise out the religious and the humorless, and that’s exactly what happened, especially in the comments section of this article. These kids are in the heart of an area where the bible is taken as a guide to morals, and they are trying to point out the opposite by humorously and directly confronting people with that knowledge through a provocative act designed to draw focus to their motives. Of course such an action is rude and impolite–is satire supposed to be well-behaved, respectful, and open to dialogue? I should certainly hope not. Isn’t it telling that so many of the negative comments here are from “I’m an atheist but…” people who are quite obviously not the intended audience for such acts?

  63. Anonymous says:

    Anon science professor story.

    Totally bogus. First of all, stating one thing is wrong, therefore something else, unrelated is right is complete crap.

    Blaming everything bad on the “absence” of God conflicts with the premise that God exists, created everything and is omnipotent (everywhere).

    If there is a god and an absence of god somewhere, that is by that god’s own doing.

    Lame story, manipulating an implausible conversation (a professor would state that cold is the absence of heat without being told by a student) to suit the agenda that logical reasoning is somehow illogical, because belief in a god is illogical, yet you want to justify it somehow.

    As an atheist, I don’t care if others believe in a god, if it does not infringe on my rights and activities, but when someone tries to peddle it like a snake oil seller, as you did, it pisses me off!

  64. Anonymous says:

    I have decided that I want to go to this school :P

  65. davegroff says:

    As a theist, I like this prank. Pranks don’t have to make sense; they don’t have to be measured statements about a cause. Pranks are irrational, just like belief.

  66. Anonymous says:

    One of the most erotic experiences was when a woman that I barely knew came up to me and started quoting from “The Song of Songs” to me from memory.

  67. bonedoc says:

    I can swear there ain’t no heaven but I pray there ain’t no hell. Ring a bell?

  68. Anonymous says:

    A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, “Let me explain the problem science has with religion.” The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

    “You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?”
    “Yes sir,” the student says.
    “So you believe in God?”
    “Absolutely.”
    “Is God good?”
    “Sure! God’s good.”
    “Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?”
    “Yes.”
    “Are you good or evil?”
    “The Bible says I’m evil.”

    The professor grins knowingly. “Aha! The Bible!” He considers for a moment. “Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?”

    “Yes sir, I would.”
    “So you’re good…!”
    “I wouldn’t say that.”
    “But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.”

    The student does not answer, so the professor continues. “He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?”

    The student remains silent.

    “No, you can’t, can you?” the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

    “Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?”
    “Er…yes,” the student says.
    “Is Satan good?”

    The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. “No.”

    “Then where does Satan come from?”
    The student falters. “From God”

    “That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?”

    “Yes, sir.”
    “Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?”
    “Yes.”
    “So who created evil?” The professor continued, “If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.”

    Again, the student has no answer. “Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?”

    The student squirms on his feet. “Yes.”

    “So who created them?”

    The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. “Who created them?” There is still no answer. Suddenly the
    lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. “Tell me,” he continues onto another student. “Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?”

    The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. “Yes, professor, I do.”

    The old man stops pacing. “Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?”

    “No sir. I’ve never seen Him.”

    “Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?”

    “No, sir, I have not.”

    “Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?”

    “No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.”

    “Yet you still believe in him?”

    “Yes.”

    “According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?”

    “Nothing,” the student replies. “I only have my faith.”

    “Yes, faith,” the professor repeats. “And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.”

    The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. “Professor, is there such thing as heat?”

    “Yes,” the professor replies. “There’s heat.”
    “And is there such a thing as cold?”
    “Yes, son, there’s cold too.”
    “No sir, there isn’t.”

    The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. “You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.”

    “Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.”

    Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
    sounding like a hammer.

    “What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?”

    “Yes,” the professor replies without hesitation. “What is night if it isn’t darkness?”

    “You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
    flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.”

    “In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?”

    The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. “So what point are you making, young man?”

    “Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.”

    The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. “Flawed? Can you explain how?”

    “You are working on the premise of duality,” the student explains. “You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.”

    “It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.”

    “Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?”

    “If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.”

    “Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?”

    The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

    “Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?”

    The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

    “To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.”

    The student looks around the room. “Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?” The class breaks out into
    laughter.

    “Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.”

    “So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?”

    Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

    Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. “I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.”

    “Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,” the student continues. “Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?”

    Now uncertain, the professor responds, “Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.”

    To this the student replied, “Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
    just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.”

    The professor sat down.

    • saberjim says:

      Anon 115_

      Your little dialog is utterly specious. No competent professor of science would claim that there was any such thing as “cold”, “darkness”, etc. Ever hear of a nonsense syllogism? You just created a whopper, son.

      • Ito Kagehisa says:

        I think it was intended to be a parable, not a syllogism.

        Chuang Tzu often portrays Confucius as a chump who gets the philosophical beat-down from old fishermen and goat herders. The college professor plays a similar role in this parable, he is Sonny Bono to the student’s Cher if you will. A straight man/straw man.

      • arkizzle / Moderator says:

        SabreJim,

        Ditto, one long non sequitur.

  69. Anonymous says:

    Exchange high-grade porn in for Holy Bibles and/or other religious material can not be done. It may would work for the false biblical doctrine, but not for the true Christians doctrine. It forbid! Highlighting the Bible and depictions it bad then pornography! How blasphemy it is to learn this! Having these blasphemy message to the worlds in vain against our Lord God who made the heaven and earth, this message MUST BE STOP!

    Since the HOLY BIBLE is a manual for us to live well care, just like how a vehicle have a manual to care for. Exchange high-grade porn in for Holy Bibles, will lead greater trouble upon who agree to it. Do not lusty for the pornographic, it forbid to the Lord. “For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father (GOD) but from the world.” (1 John 2:16) God made this true doctrine which never be taken away or exchange from the evil business. The Holy name from heaven is so powerful that Satan can not win over HIS WAY.

    I know Jesus Christ our Lord would like this exchange message to be delete immediately!

  70. Anonymous says:

    “why does an atheist have to shout out his beliefs or try to impose them on others? this is what religious fanatics do.”

    No. It’s what most normal religious people do to their children. Impose their beliefs on those who are too young to understand or question.

  71. Anonymous says:

    But at least in God’s world, there is porn.

  72. Anonymous says:

    I find it hard to believe there are people out there, who claim to be Christian, but have never read the bible cover-to-cover.

    Then again, I can’t believe there are people who have read the bible cover-to-cover without realizing what a crock the whole thing is.

    A compendium of stories with snippets written by dozens of different people in different eras that conflict with each other, scientific fact and contains as much smut and wrong doing as a cheap detective novel.

    People believe in a God because they were indoctrinated into it as a child, without any choice, or they want the comfort of being guided into a way of living, or they want the insurance plan of life after death, or they simply want the company and social aspect of church.

    I believe in not deluding myself like that. I find it much more honest that way.

    • Anonymous says:

      that can be the catalyst for some people to start seeking God. I for one, do not believe in God because of any of the reasons you mentioned. I was not brought up with it, although the thought of the existence of an intelligent designer does bring comfort, naturally; i am sure of a spiritual world/dimension. I have seen spirits, particularly during times of someone about to die. Totally unexpected, no drugs involved, just there watching me. It startled me, and happened more than once. And i am being very honest with you all.
      God wants your trust, you came from a divine creator. Evolution can not explain the intelligence of DNA, and it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to have DNA come about from any primordial oooze. I love atheists, i have a lot of friends that are atheists, but i can tell you that becoming a Christian can be the hardest life change, and frankly, most people fall very far from it. Im ranting at this point and i love it.
      Atheists, check out A.E wilder, pretty brilliant guy. anyway, i wish you all, and myself a goodnight.

  73. Anonymous says:

    Ridiculous. If people have a Bible, they most likely have it for a reason. Do they offer reach-arounds too?

    • Anonymous says:

      …and if I have porn I most likely have *that* for a reason. I’d say most people would be just as productive with either.

  74. MarlboroTestMonkey7 says:

    Well I don’t see atheism doing a world of good with this idea either. Except with a transference of pleasurable material, maybe.

  75. benher says:

    This isn’t ‘reverse’ preaching. It’s a gag. And if you don’t get it, the joke’s on you.

    And while the consistency of bible-paper is perfect in a pinch when toilet paper is unavailable, I’d have to say the value of printed porn far exceeds it in overall value.

    • Tristan Eldtritch says:

      Well benher, since your comment is on the interwebs, and can’t be transferred into toilet paper without paying for printing paper, and anyway is too brief to allow for much comfort in that department, I guess it has considerably less “overall value” that both the Bible and porn.

  76. Antinous / Moderator says:

    Piñatas at twelve o’clock.

  77. Anonymous says:

    I don’t think the point of this exchange is to “convert” anyone, or take anything away from people who are not willing to give it. I think the point of it was to exercise their right to free speech, and to get people talking, and using their brains for intelligent conversation.
    True the “smut for smut” thing comes off looking like a prank, or being “intentionally disrespectful,” but honestly, would anyone have blinked an eye if they said they were exchanging for “The God Delusion?” Would it have been news worthy to trade for comic books? Would anyone bother to write a blog, or post a comment about an Atheist group that was “talking respectfully about their views to people willing to listen?” Just like “well behaved women rarely make history,” the same can be said about atheists, agnostics, jews, christians, muslins, hindus, buddhists, pastafarians, etc. First you have to do something to command attention. Which is exactly what this group did.
    And every time I walked by their table, there were throngs of people deep in conversation. Not shouting matches, not preaching pulpits. There seemed to be a general atmosphere of academic discussion. Something that many people would like to have censored because “it’s wrong”, and “sinful,” and “blasphemous.” People seem to think our constitutional right to free speech should only be exercised when it is something you want to hear. Just like equal rights for all human beings should equal those with money, the “right” religion, or the “right” gender.
    Why can’t people just get past all the hate and oppression, and learn to love and respect our fellow humans?

  78. jaytkay says:

    I kinda get it. But I think it reinforces the fuzzy idea among believers that atheism = bad.

    I would wrap bibles in plastic and sell them as porn. “Getch yer pedophilia, getch yer incest, getch yer slavery and yer rape! Step right up folks!”

    • Anonymous says:

      Excellent idea. Trading porn for bibles is too easy a target. I can see the item on the local news, and people going ‘see those atheists don’t want us to read the bible they want us to read porn instead’

  79. Anonymous says:

    Publicity stunt will get publicity. That is all.

  80. Anonymous says:

    In response to those that point out that the article is from 2005; this is a yearly occurrence at UTSA, where I am a student. The Atheist Agenda, as an organization, trends towards this sort of sensationalist tactic when they organize events. While not personally offended, I understand why many other Theists on campus take issue; the stunt is not a matter of spreading a message that runs contrary to certain beliefs, it is discounting and insulting towards those beliefs. It’s disrespectful, confrontational, and, ultimately, cheapens the impact of their message.

  81. Anonymous says:

    The biggest complaint most of my athiest/agnostic friends have with religion is the in-your-face aspect of it. The door to door mormons and such. For some reason though, I don’t think atheism in general is any less in-your-face, especially with things like this going on.

  82. lewis stoole says:

    it wasn’t too long ago that atheists were seen as the scourge of america, a time that lasted well beyond when coins were first emblazoned with “in god we trust” to ensure that america was not a godless, anti-capitalist, heathen kommie country, even beyond a time when school prayer was government sanctioned and people like madalyn murray o’hair did something about it. now, with some vocal pundits grabbing the limelight because of their books, it is just seen as obnoxious–i would call that progress.

  83. Dv Revolutionary says:

    Interesting take Cory.

    This action is a little superficial. Yes there is some smut in the bible but it usually doesn’t dwell on it. It’s just describing actions people took.

    The real problem with the bible is that it promotes injustice. From the slaughter and genocide of old to blaming women who are raped to promising some groups heaven (so much more than they deserve)and other groups eternal hell (so much worse than they deserve). It miscalibrates moral compasses to accepting infinite injustice.

    They shouldn’t handout porn. They should buy a few copies of the Brick testament and exchange bibles for that. Support a fellow atheist and show exactly what the problems with the bible are.

    • RyantheGray says:

      Dv Revolutionary,

      The Bible does not promote injustice. The God of the Bible is the God of true justice (eye for an eye, etc). Gratefully, he gives a way of escape (mercy) from the justice that each person deserves (religious or not) through His Son, Jesus the Christ.

      The Bible does not blame women who are raped.

      However, it does promise justice for adulterers, sexually immoral, etc. In fact, Jesus said that if you even look at a woman with lust in your heart, you have committed adultery already (Matthew 5, http://ow.ly/2EI1H)

      In terms of heaven and hell, God only promises two roads: what you deserve and what you don’t. The Bible is clear that all people are sinners. We all leave the God we know to be true and serve our own pleasures (they come in all flavors). Since we left God, He has nothing to do with us. The only other place for us but heaven is the place called hell. But God didn’t make it for us, only “the devil and his angels.”So that is our end goal.

      However, He shows mercy to those who believe in Jesus Christ. If you trust that He took the consequences for our sin (the true injustice) so that you could live in Him, you will do just that. He will give you mercy if you ask Him for it (and me too!).

      God has mercy for those who don’t deserve it and hell for those who think they do.

  84. Tom Hale says:

    I should add that I personally believe that simply being a good person is good enough. I don’t think I’m a good Christian but I know I’m a good person and I can’t believe that a ‘loving God’ would send me to Hell -whatever that is, just because I didn’t exactly follow the set of instructions he/she included in the Bible. The Bible has been changed so much over the centuries, this added, this thrown out -that it’s difficult for me to believe that it’s the same book that God wants me to follow.

  85. tberry says:

    The religious tomes of Judaism, Christianity and Islam were all created from middle eastern fables that were handed down from goat herder to goat herder. What’s not to believe? How can anyone argue with the wisdom of middle eastern goat herders? It’s all just gotta be true. And, if you say it isn’t, we’ll burn you at the stake.

  86. Anonymous says:

    And, of course, you’re far too smart to be seduced by such a foolish, silly pleasurable experience.

    What part of your brain does *that* pleasant thought tickle, eh?

    • Trent Hawkins says:

      Anon-”And, of course, you’re far too smart to be seduced by such a foolish, silly pleasurable experience.

      What part of your brain does *that* pleasant thought tickle, eh?”

      Nucleus Accumbens

  87. arkizzle / Moderator says:

    Oh Antinous, that’s just mean..

  88. Anonymous says:

    Hey! Who says porn is full of bad ideas?

  89. torrmoz says:

    You do realize that this article is from 2005, right?

  90. Nadreck says:

    get people to know what’s actually within the religious text that they hold so dear.

    Yes, they so seldom do.

    Reminds me of the stories about the 70 year-old dude who kept the Kabul airport systems running all through the Taliban years. Every so often some of these religious thugs would wander in and try to pin something on this suspiciously high-tech person. He would get into scriptural arguments with them. They’d end up wandering off scratching their heads wondering if the Koran really does mandate the use of radar whenever possible because they, of course, really had no idea what it said about much of anything.

  91. efergus3 says:

    Wandering the campus with their traditional call: “New porn for old, new porn for old!”

  92. Anonymous says:

    As a Secular Humanist I actually cringe a little when I see things like this. I understand that it is a “prank”, but I fear that the end result is that non “prankster” athiests will find it that much harder to be taken seriously by their theistic peers. It seems that some athiests are building their beliefs around how someone else’s beliefs are “wrong”.

    I live in Houston where the local Church of Freethought (of which I am not a member) can’t even keep a billboard up because of the way that the average faithful equate athiesm with “anti-christian”. Pranks like this don’t really help, mainly because it is “mean spirited” in nature. It’s basically just a big “middle finger” to believers… “What you believe is no better than pornography!”

  93. failix says:

    The porn/bible comparison isn’t actually that bad. The only thing that religious texts provide, and good porn doesn’t, is an excuse to send people to blow themselves up in a crowd of civilians.

  94. Anonymous says:

    I went to school there. I’m an atheist, but was never impressed by their antics. They’re very sensational. They don’t put a friendly face on atheism. They just perpetuate the stereotype of atheists being arrogant pricks out to ruffle people’s feathers. The way to win good PR for atheism is through friendly humanism, not childish pranks.

  95. JohnnyOC says:

    sigh..Ahh, atheists.

    Defining yourselves be trying to tear down something instead of just showing by example how to live a moral life without religion.

    I lean toward that camp but honestly, if your whole argument is to be against a foe and trying to be “shocking” you’re playing on their level instead of just showing how you can be a productive human you already lost the battle.

  96. Anonymous says:

    LOL This stuff always gets people going. This to me sounds like a bunch of College kids getting a rise out crazy religious people by doing something outrageous.

    … and based on the comments it worked!

    I highly doubt these people think they are going to change the world, it’s just a joke!

    It’s almost as good as the hoopla around the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

  97. Anonymous says:

    obviously whoever wrote this has never heard of someone fighting over a soccer game. I’ve heard of parents fighting at their children’s soccer games. And don’t start to think that people don’t overspend paying for tickets or betting. I can’t believe someone would compare a drug addict to christianity when it comes to spending more than you have. For example, have you ever heard of anyone stealing to give to church? How about stealing to buy drugs? Happens all the time. I agree, religion and all it’s man made failures have caused some destructive behavior, but there honestly is no reason to compare it to these other things. Rock bands and drugs, children without parents just there is no comparison.. should’ve given example of the crusades but we all know the bible doesn’t back that up and the fact that people have been murdered at soccer games only makes it equivalent. So trade out porn for shin guards and even it out. At least people who killed in the crusades were mislead into thinking they were doing a good thing, I don’t expect a soccer fan could use the same defense. Atheists continue to affirm they do not live in the same real world as the rest of us.