Area 51 vets speak

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Roadrunners Internationale is a group of individuals who in the 1960s and 1970s worked at Area 51, the "secret" military facility in Nevada that is ground zero for some conspiracy theorists, UFO "believers," and black budget aircraft trainspotters. According to these Area 51 vets, there are no UFOs or extraterrestrials at Area 51. But then, they would say that. From The Seattle Times (GFDL photo by Flickr user x51):
(James) Noce remembers always getting paid in cash, signing a phony name to the receipt, during his several years of working security at the site. It was, in CIA parlance, "a black project."

Noce says he has no paperwork showing that he worked at Area 51 for the CIA. He says that was common. Others who got checks say they came from various companies, including Pan American World Airways...

Noce and (Roadrunners founder TD) Barnes say they never saw anything connected to UFOs.

Barnes believes the Air Force and the "Agency" didn't mind the stories about alien spacecraft. They helped cover up the secret planes that were being tested.

On one occasion, he remembers, when the first jets were being tested at what Muroc Army Air Field, later renamed Edwards Air Force Base, a test pilot put on a gorilla mask and flew upside down beside a private pilot.

"Well, when this guy went back, telling reporters, 'I saw a plane that didn't have a propeller and being flown by a monkey,' well, they laughed at this guy -- and it got where the guys would see [test pilots] and they didn't dare report it because everybody'd laugh at them," says Barnes.

"Area 51 vets break silence: Sorry, but no space aliens or UFOs" (Thanks, Bob Pescovitz!)


  1. yeah, like they are actually going to talk about ufos. their memories were wiped of course.

  2. I grew up at Edwards and remember my father visiting area 51 as a technician and saying how boring it was. Too bad.

  3. I love how that site looks like every other wackadoo conspiracy theorist rant page. Telling indicator or ingenious camouflage?

  4. The 1950s and into the early 1960s saw the public’s peak interest in flying saucers. Many books were published and there was a well worn talk path especially in southern California. A few made a decent living giving talks and selling books.
    I was in LA in 1960 and attended the Amalgamated Flying Saucers Club of America convention held at the Shrine Auditorium. The saucer people had asked Gabriel Greene to run for president.

  5. Ugh. Well, they could just be secret aircraft that they’re testing out, but that makes NO sense compared to the notion that they’re reverse engineering flying saucers. I mean, which is more likely?

  6. There was an interesting article a while ago about some of the workers there who were exposed to toxic chemicals from manufacturing and fuels. Because of the secrecy they were not able to talk about it. Nothing to do with UFOs just toxic chemicals from developing and fueling test craft.

    Secrecy can hide lots of bad things that aren’t UFOs.

    Personally I’ve always believed that the UFO/aliens was an easy way to cover up sightings of test crafts.

    I once read a SF book that did an excellent job of explaining how the government took advantage of all the UFO paranoia to hide stuff. Of course the book then had a REAL alien craft and the military officials were caught off guard thinking it was one of their own stories. Hilarity ensured.

  7. These guys just don’t have the credibility of Bob Lazar. How are we supposed to believe there are sane sounding explanations to anything the US government does?


  8. I love how they make all this untraceable, especially with payments/bribes. It’s very clever and probably saves a fortune in legal expenses.

  9. This is obviously a fake, everyone knows that the CIA is not called “the agency” but rather called “the company”. More disinformation from your friendly government, hiding the existence of life outside earth. They know that if the world realized it, it would lead us into a peaceful golden age and hurt the military-industrial-complex’s profits.

    1. Yeah…it’s completely impossible they he was just referring to the Central Intelligence *AGENCY*…

  10. I think i can sum this up with one word.
    Using Sherlock Homes logic we can ask ourselves which is more likely.
    1. The U.S. government has had super advanced alien technology for 60 years. Test flown some of it but has not incorporated any of this into deployable weapons. And never used it against the USSR or any other enemy.
    2. The U.S. government is using gullible people’s stories about aliens to cover-up real stores about stuff they didn’t want the USSR to know like the F-117, SR-71 or whatever has replaced those now decommissioned aircraft.

  11. So wait, we are going to have to wait another 50 years to find out what they were doing in Area 51 during the 80s and 90s?

  12. Well of course there are no unidentified flying objects there. The engineers at Area 51 probably scrutinized every square millimeter of the things — they undoubtedly had them thoroughly identified.

    And the space aliens? Who lives in space????? Those aliens were from another planet. DUH!

  13. If there weren’t aliens then why did they have veterinarians working there???


  14. My father in law worked at Area 51 while in the Army. I asked him about the conspiracy. He said no aliens, but it’s just classified stuff.


  15. area 51 is clearly the first (unintentional?) viral marketing campaign run out to the nth degree. at this point the conspiracy has eaten itself so many times over that ‘they’ could test any crazy thing they want there, shoot down aliens, make it ‘Guantanamo II’, dogs and cats living together, ect…

  16. “no aliens, just classified stuff”.

    Maybe, but I’d still like an explanation to those crafts that would come up just about every night during the 90s, that would fly around over Area 51, making 90 degree turns.

    I’d happily believe it was a show put on for the UFO enthusiasts, but still, I’d like to know what kind of plane can make 90 degree turns. Something still classified, eh?

    1. @Flemming uh just about any vertical take-off jet would qualify. Straight up to level flight could look like a 90 degree turn. If you’re a yokel putting around in a crop-duster a jet is going to look awfully fast.

  17. I flew KC-135Q tankers from 1968-71, assigned to Beale AFB, CA, refueling SR-71’s and, rarely, YF-12As. “The Ranch”, AKA Groom Lake, was where the YF-12s launched from. They used callsign “Dutch” vs. callsign “Aspen” for SR-71s out of Beale.

    There’s an SR-71 reminiscence comparing my friends Ben Bowles, SR-71 Recon pilot, and Doc Searls, Recon passenger, at blaserco DOT com /blogs/2008/02/my-god-its-full-of-mentors-doc-searls-and-ben-bowles.

  18. Dugway out in the western desert of Utah is similar to Area 51, but rather than secret aircraft the rumor mill has it that Dugway is where they test chemical and biological weapons. Sometimes I wonder why flying saucers hold the attention of conspiracy theorists more than, say, the Andromeda Strain.

  19. If there where aliens there when the bases existence was revealed in the 1950’s I’m sure they would have removed them to another location pronto and the fact that everyone obsesses over area 51 is great misdirection to the real location.

  20. I have recently come to the conclusion myself, that there are not now, nor ever have been aliens/ufo’s spotted on earth.
    It’s a pandemic.
    It’s easier for the government to let us come to our own conclusions, than to deny or confirm ‘sightings.’ Then, as more evidence surfaces, they don’t have to come up with more stories, instead – just keep pleading the fifth and let us come up with more speculations to build on. We have done a perfect job at blinding ourselves to the real story.
    If you have been following all of the stories that have leaked, especially the more recent ones, like those of area 51, and the crafts the natzi’s were attempting to build (that looked remarkably like those UFO’s reported in the skies;) you may start to see that it is more reasonable and sain to conclude that the secrets of the government have been spotted and misinterpreted by the less intelligent beings, us.
    Does it occur to anyone that these ‘aliens’ people have reported seing, were actually suits to protect the pilots from the G-forces…etc?
    Does it not make sense that reason people report seeing government officials responding so quickly and privately to a crashed craft, were to keep the government secret testing – a secret? (I mean why didn’t more people report seeing aliens responding to the crashed crafts?)
    Don’t get me wrong, I am the first person to get wrapped up in a conspiracy theory, if it’s plausible. But, enough already! Am I the only one who has had this revelation, and is seeing the evidence for what it is, and not what we want it to be?

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