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		<title>By: J ENGINE</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752131</link>
		<dc:creator>J ENGINE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jee-sus people, and Cory.  If you don&#039;t like it, then don&#039;t buy it.
Stop whining about it&#039;s &quot;limitations&quot; and take your business elsewhere.
So tired of the manufactured drama and fake outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jee-sus people, and Cory.  If you don&#8217;t like it, then don&#8217;t buy it.<br />
Stop whining about it&#8217;s &#8220;limitations&#8221; and take your business elsewhere.<br />
So tired of the manufactured drama and fake outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: libelle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752899</link>
		<dc:creator>libelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floyd? Dude, you could have been listening to Real Rock And Roll! Only weak, simpering Barrett-fanbois would go to a Floyd concert instead of the free, open garden of Led Zeppelin -- who played a lot of other people&#039;s music (even if they accidentally omitted crediting aforementioned people).

Ahem. Anyway, I seem to remember music battles too. I suspect any domain with more than one option has its debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floyd? Dude, you could have been listening to Real Rock And Roll! Only weak, simpering Barrett-fanbois would go to a Floyd concert instead of the free, open garden of Led Zeppelin &#8212; who played a lot of other people&#8217;s music (even if they accidentally omitted crediting aforementioned people).</p>
<p>Ahem. Anyway, I seem to remember music battles too. I suspect any domain with more than one option has its debates.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbcorr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752390</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbcorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Clay Shirky makes the case for simple, accessible tablet computing platforms that can be used by the masses without a priori mad skillz: &quot;when the ecosystem stops rewarding complexity, it is the people who figure out how to work simply in the present, rather than the people who mastered the complexities of the past, who get to say what happens in the future.&quot;

Next I shall quote Leviticus to argue for free lunches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Clay Shirky makes the case for simple, accessible tablet computing platforms that can be used by the masses without a priori mad skillz: &#8220;when the ecosystem stops rewarding complexity, it is the people who figure out how to work simply in the present, rather than the people who mastered the complexities of the past, who get to say what happens in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Next I shall quote Leviticus to argue for free lunches.</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal Kelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752138</link>
		<dc:creator>Micheal Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit tired of Cory ranting and raving about anything that isn&#039;t open source and free. Cory, if it all sucks so much, then show me the alternative. Show me a tablet device that works as well as the iPad, with a good developer ecosystem and a *great* user interface. If you can show me one of those then I&#039;ll be the first in line to buy one. 

I used to work as an embedded Linux developer, and many of the projects I worked on were concept internet/web tablets. We could never pull off what Apple managed with the iPad - I tip my hat to their dev team and I&#039;m going to buy one as soon as they&#039;re available in Canada.

Actually, scratch that. I&#039;m going to buy two iPads, and I&#039;m going to name the second one Cory.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit tired of Cory ranting and raving about anything that isn&#8217;t open source and free. Cory, if it all sucks so much, then show me the alternative. Show me a tablet device that works as well as the iPad, with a good developer ecosystem and a *great* user interface. If you can show me one of those then I&#8217;ll be the first in line to buy one. </p>
<p>I used to work as an embedded Linux developer, and many of the projects I worked on were concept internet/web tablets. We could never pull off what Apple managed with the iPad &#8211; I tip my hat to their dev team and I&#8217;m going to buy one as soon as they&#8217;re available in Canada.</p>
<p>Actually, scratch that. I&#8217;m going to buy two iPads, and I&#8217;m going to name the second one Cory.</p>
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		<title>By: zikzak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752397</link>
		<dc:creator>zikzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, try to listen this time:
Your consumer choices affect people other than you and the producer.

Put another way:
What you buy has an impact on me.

Furthermore:
Personally buying (or not buying) products is not the only acceptable way to express opinions about corporate practices.

You buying an iPad pushes the market and the overall gadget norms that much further from freedom.  That market and those norms are something that we all have to live with, so we all have an interest in what happens to them.

Calling for the boycott of a product is a time-honored and totally reasonable response to a bad corporate policy which affects all consumers.

It&#039;s really frustrating that we have to recapitulate these basic concepts constantly, but I guess it&#039;s better than not recapitulating them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, try to listen this time:<br />
Your consumer choices affect people other than you and the producer.</p>
<p>Put another way:<br />
What you buy has an impact on me.</p>
<p>Furthermore:<br />
Personally buying (or not buying) products is not the only acceptable way to express opinions about corporate practices.</p>
<p>You buying an iPad pushes the market and the overall gadget norms that much further from freedom.  That market and those norms are something that we all have to live with, so we all have an interest in what happens to them.</p>
<p>Calling for the boycott of a product is a time-honored and totally reasonable response to a bad corporate policy which affects all consumers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really frustrating that we have to recapitulate these basic concepts constantly, but I guess it&#8217;s better than not recapitulating them.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752146</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As I see it, Boing Boing isn&#039;t telling you to buy or not buy...&lt;/em&gt;

With one &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-you-shouldnt-either.html#previouspost&quot;&gt;notable exception.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As I see it, Boing Boing isn&#8217;t telling you to buy or not buy&#8230;</em></p>
<p>With one <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-you-shouldnt-either.html#previouspost">notable exception.</a></p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752148</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal Kelly,

Please don&#039;t post exceedingly similar posts in two different threads, within minutes of each other.

And if you don&#039;t like a particular post, scroll on by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal Kelly,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t post exceedingly similar posts in two different threads, within minutes of each other.</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t like a particular post, scroll on by.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752153</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, folks, but I find product reviews to be useful.  In this particular case, I had no intention of buying the New Shiny Thing, so I didn&#039;t actually NEED the reviews, but this set of circumstances does not negate their value.  For people who are unfamiliar with a product, or who are undecided about one (especially those of us in the majority who do not get early access to such products), reviews are valuable tools.  This is why movies, books, CDs, plays and thousands of other things GET reviewed.  So that the rest of us can use the reviews to help us make more informed decisions about how we spend our money.  

In order for reviews to be most useful, we the readers are well advised to familiarize ourselves with those doing the reviews.  I have found that I tend to agree with Cory, so I&#039;m prone to listen a little more closely to his advice.  It didn&#039;t matter in this particular case, but it did make me feel a little better about a decision I had already made.  

I am a little amused by the polarized view that&#039;s being taken on this particular subject, though.  Do we really have to call people names simply because they like (or dislike) a particular product (or company)?  When reviewers wrote positive reviews of Up did anyone call them Pixar Fanboys?

The simple possession of an opposing viewpoint does not necessarily make another person wrong.  It&#039;s just an opinion, and everyone has the right to their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, folks, but I find product reviews to be useful.  In this particular case, I had no intention of buying the New Shiny Thing, so I didn&#8217;t actually NEED the reviews, but this set of circumstances does not negate their value.  For people who are unfamiliar with a product, or who are undecided about one (especially those of us in the majority who do not get early access to such products), reviews are valuable tools.  This is why movies, books, CDs, plays and thousands of other things GET reviewed.  So that the rest of us can use the reviews to help us make more informed decisions about how we spend our money.  </p>
<p>In order for reviews to be most useful, we the readers are well advised to familiarize ourselves with those doing the reviews.  I have found that I tend to agree with Cory, so I&#8217;m prone to listen a little more closely to his advice.  It didn&#8217;t matter in this particular case, but it did make me feel a little better about a decision I had already made.  </p>
<p>I am a little amused by the polarized view that&#8217;s being taken on this particular subject, though.  Do we really have to call people names simply because they like (or dislike) a particular product (or company)?  When reviewers wrote positive reviews of Up did anyone call them Pixar Fanboys?</p>
<p>The simple possession of an opposing viewpoint does not necessarily make another person wrong.  It&#8217;s just an opinion, and everyone has the right to their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Felton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752156</link>
		<dc:creator>Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh!  I think valdis@31 has found the polar opposite of a Godwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh!  I think valdis@31 has found the polar opposite of a Godwin.</p>
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		<title>By: danfan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752157</link>
		<dc:creator>danfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discriminating critical thinking? Sorry, all I see is smug, self-congratulatory, techno-geek backslapping.

While I love open source web server software, open source&#039;s performance as a viable desktop alternative for the average (i.e. non-technical) user has been one embarrassing failure after another. 

If you dorks were so rad, you&#039;d have come up with something better than the iPad by now.

Speaking of which, since you guys hate it so much, where IS the awesome alternative that&#039;s so much better? Surely if this thing sucks so bad, there must be something great out there we should all be using instead, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discriminating critical thinking? Sorry, all I see is smug, self-congratulatory, techno-geek backslapping.</p>
<p>While I love open source web server software, open source&#8217;s performance as a viable desktop alternative for the average (i.e. non-technical) user has been one embarrassing failure after another. </p>
<p>If you dorks were so rad, you&#8217;d have come up with something better than the iPad by now.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, since you guys hate it so much, where IS the awesome alternative that&#8217;s so much better? Surely if this thing sucks so bad, there must be something great out there we should all be using instead, no?</p>
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		<title>By: bobbcorr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752170</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbcorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cynic in me thinks that CD&#039;s virulent anti-iPad stance is pure PR - every naysaying article translates into traffic and huge comment streams, and helps to advance his personal agenda beautifully.

The dreamer in me thinks that CD&#039;s virulent anti-iPad stance is an open prayer for a world he&#039;d prefer to see - one in which people bake cookies from scratch, raise their own chickens, fix their own transmissions and generally know how to assemble a computer from scratch in the dark.

The pragmatist is just enjoying watching an otherwise thoughtful writer and commentator lose his s__t over something that just isn&#039;t that important in the big scheme of things.  Release the Kraken!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cynic in me thinks that CD&#8217;s virulent anti-iPad stance is pure PR &#8211; every naysaying article translates into traffic and huge comment streams, and helps to advance his personal agenda beautifully.</p>
<p>The dreamer in me thinks that CD&#8217;s virulent anti-iPad stance is an open prayer for a world he&#8217;d prefer to see &#8211; one in which people bake cookies from scratch, raise their own chickens, fix their own transmissions and generally know how to assemble a computer from scratch in the dark.</p>
<p>The pragmatist is just enjoying watching an otherwise thoughtful writer and commentator lose his s__t over something that just isn&#8217;t that important in the big scheme of things.  Release the Kraken!</p>
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		<title>By: Geof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752173</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it&#039;s deeply worrisome that so many people feel obligated to tell everyone else what they should or (in this case) should not be buying.&quot;

I assume you have a pretty big problem with advertising.

Or is your problem with sincere argument?  Most advertising is so insincere it is easy to dismiss.  Apple tells us to buy their products because they will make us cool or we will gain rebel street cred (the 1984 ad).  That&#039;s easy to ignore because we know it&#039;s a cynical sham - even though we know darned well that Apple really has manufactured those images.  Serious critique, however, is not so easily avoided by cynicism or irony.  It forces us to consider where we stand.

Though we like to imagine that the choices we make as consumers are private arrangements between a willing buyer and a willing seller, those choices all have wider social consequences.  We donâ€™t like to think about that (myself included).  Advertising encourages us to believe, not to doubt.  Critique makes us question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s deeply worrisome that so many people feel obligated to tell everyone else what they should or (in this case) should not be buying.&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume you have a pretty big problem with advertising.</p>
<p>Or is your problem with sincere argument?  Most advertising is so insincere it is easy to dismiss.  Apple tells us to buy their products because they will make us cool or we will gain rebel street cred (the 1984 ad).  That&#8217;s easy to ignore because we know it&#8217;s a cynical sham &#8211; even though we know darned well that Apple really has manufactured those images.  Serious critique, however, is not so easily avoided by cynicism or irony.  It forces us to consider where we stand.</p>
<p>Though we like to imagine that the choices we make as consumers are private arrangements between a willing buyer and a willing seller, those choices all have wider social consequences.  We donâ€™t like to think about that (myself included).  Advertising encourages us to believe, not to doubt.  Critique makes us question.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752176</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I did not tell anyone what they should or should not buy. The point of my post is that this mad rush to fawn all over, and line up to buy, something that will be superceded and outmoded in a very short time by not only its own creator but by any one of several competitors is indicative of a portion of society so caught up in the act of consumption simply for the sake of doing so that there is a very good chance that their critical thinking is set aside for the sake of the short term, hence &quot;orgasmic&quot;, satisfaction of purchase.

And I find that disturbing. I feel it is a direct result of what someone else here called the corporate zombie memes.

Somneone asked: What right do you have to pass judgement on what someone else buys?

Answer: The exact same right you have to disagree with my judgement.

danfan said:

&quot;&#039;Discriminating critical thinking?&#039; Sorry, all I see is smug, self-congratulatory, techno-geek backslapping.&quot;

In hindsight I think you may be right. However, I think the, erm, other side is displaying an even more non-discriminating, self-congratulatory form of fanboy/girl whipseedoodle glee.

danfan also said:

&quot;Speaking of which, since you guys hate it so much, where IS the awesome alternative that&#039;s so much better? Surely if this thing sucks so bad, there must be something great out there we should all be using instead, no?&quot;

Well, I guess my questions are: alternative to what? What&#039;s the need we must find an alternative for? What meaningful purpose, other than profitting Jobs, does it serve? What need has been gapingly apparent that this toy is filling?

In my opinion the iPad is like the iPhone in that it fulfills a need that only became apparent after the marketting, advertising, bot-blitz meme artists, and product placement created that need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I did not tell anyone what they should or should not buy. The point of my post is that this mad rush to fawn all over, and line up to buy, something that will be superceded and outmoded in a very short time by not only its own creator but by any one of several competitors is indicative of a portion of society so caught up in the act of consumption simply for the sake of doing so that there is a very good chance that their critical thinking is set aside for the sake of the short term, hence &#8220;orgasmic&#8221;, satisfaction of purchase.</p>
<p>And I find that disturbing. I feel it is a direct result of what someone else here called the corporate zombie memes.</p>
<p>Somneone asked: What right do you have to pass judgement on what someone else buys?</p>
<p>Answer: The exact same right you have to disagree with my judgement.</p>
<p>danfan said:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Discriminating critical thinking?&#8217; Sorry, all I see is smug, self-congratulatory, techno-geek backslapping.&#8221;</p>
<p>In hindsight I think you may be right. However, I think the, erm, other side is displaying an even more non-discriminating, self-congratulatory form of fanboy/girl whipseedoodle glee.</p>
<p>danfan also said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Speaking of which, since you guys hate it so much, where IS the awesome alternative that&#8217;s so much better? Surely if this thing sucks so bad, there must be something great out there we should all be using instead, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I guess my questions are: alternative to what? What&#8217;s the need we must find an alternative for? What meaningful purpose, other than profitting Jobs, does it serve? What need has been gapingly apparent that this toy is filling?</p>
<p>In my opinion the iPad is like the iPhone in that it fulfills a need that only became apparent after the marketting, advertising, bot-blitz meme artists, and product placement created that need.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanrafferty</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752177</link>
		<dc:creator>ryanrafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobbcorr - I couldn&#039;t agree more.

It fits an agenda perfectly.  If you wanted to offer an honest critique of the iPad... you could talk about the fact it&#039;s impossible for a blind person to use, the same goes for the iphone/ipod touch... or you could take an even more difficult position and critique chinese labour practices or government policies-- that&#039;s a pretty big deal?  

Instead the posted critique mentions the app approval process... can you think of ANY store owner that doesn&#039;t test and approve products he or she features in his or her store?  Apple has a prudential impetus to approve applications, just as every store owner approves the products he or she sells.

Focusing a critique on such petty, and narrow issues deprives it of it&#039;s validity.  You might as well just sit there and say I don&#039;t like it because it&#039;s silver.

I agree with much of Cory&#039;s lobbying, but sometimes it comes off as a bad PR stunt.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbcorr &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>It fits an agenda perfectly.  If you wanted to offer an honest critique of the iPad&#8230; you could talk about the fact it&#8217;s impossible for a blind person to use, the same goes for the iphone/ipod touch&#8230; or you could take an even more difficult position and critique chinese labour practices or government policies&#8211; that&#8217;s a pretty big deal?  </p>
<p>Instead the posted critique mentions the app approval process&#8230; can you think of ANY store owner that doesn&#8217;t test and approve products he or she features in his or her store?  Apple has a prudential impetus to approve applications, just as every store owner approves the products he or she sells.</p>
<p>Focusing a critique on such petty, and narrow issues deprives it of it&#8217;s validity.  You might as well just sit there and say I don&#8217;t like it because it&#8217;s silver.</p>
<p>I agree with much of Cory&#8217;s lobbying, but sometimes it comes off as a bad PR stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752434</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;I&gt;What you buy has an impact on me.&lt;/I&gt;&quot;

Ditto. Now what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>What you buy has an impact on me.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Ditto. Now what?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-753714</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main issue underlying these issues is lack of any file system access and the closed of nature of the iPad. It is not a computer than can join your network of devices.
More details of mobile os for ipad here:

No folder os and closed network:
http://www.jblogg.com/2010/04/04/ipad-review-folder-free-os-on-a-closed-network/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main issue underlying these issues is lack of any file system access and the closed of nature of the iPad. It is not a computer than can join your network of devices.<br />
More details of mobile os for ipad here:</p>
<p>No folder os and closed network:<br />
<a href="http://www.jblogg.com/2010/04/04/ipad-review-folder-free-os-on-a-closed-network/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jblogg.com/2010/04/04/ipad-review-folder-free-os-on-a-closed-network/</a></p>
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		<title>By: lava</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752180</link>
		<dc:creator>lava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Xeni did a De Niro and bulked up for the role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Xeni did a De Niro and bulked up for the role.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752183</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryanrafferty asked:

&quot;... can you think of ANY store owner that doesn&#039;t test 
and approve products he or she features in his or her store?&quot;

Um, Walmart? FutureShop? Canada&#039;s Harper government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryanrafferty asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; can you think of ANY store owner that doesn&#8217;t test<br />
and approve products he or she features in his or her store?&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, Walmart? FutureShop? Canada&#8217;s Harper government?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752440</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Product Boycotts are a time-honored and ultimately futile effort.  They can often push some leverage against a manufacturer to modify their business process on ethical grounds...but only just barely and usually only as a PR move.  There&#039;s a far cry from the Selma Bus Boycott to convincing DeBeers to change diamond mines or getting Apple to open up their platform more.  And let&#039;s not forget that often it&#039;s not an actual boycott that elicits change, but political action.  &#039;Dolphin-free&#039; tuna came about due to changes in US fishery technology and federal legislation (particularly embargoes against buying tuna from countries that used dolphin-killing practices), NOT from a consumer boycott.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Product Boycotts are a time-honored and ultimately futile effort.  They can often push some leverage against a manufacturer to modify their business process on ethical grounds&#8230;but only just barely and usually only as a PR move.  There&#8217;s a far cry from the Selma Bus Boycott to convincing DeBeers to change diamond mines or getting Apple to open up their platform more.  And let&#8217;s not forget that often it&#8217;s not an actual boycott that elicits change, but political action.  &#8216;Dolphin-free&#8217; tuna came about due to changes in US fishery technology and federal legislation (particularly embargoes against buying tuna from countries that used dolphin-killing practices), NOT from a consumer boycott.  </p>
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		<title>By: Laser Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752186</link>
		<dc:creator>Laser Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying the whole &quot;it is the best tablet computing device and is therefore awesome&quot; argument.  iPad-lovers understand that the entire anti-iPad/iPad-indifferent stance is &quot;we don&#039;t understand why this is a thing we&#039;re supposed to want&quot;, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not buying the whole &#8220;it is the best tablet computing device and is therefore awesome&#8221; argument.  iPad-lovers understand that the entire anti-iPad/iPad-indifferent stance is &#8220;we don&#8217;t understand why this is a thing we&#8217;re supposed to want&#8221;, right?</p>
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		<title>By: danfan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752187</link>
		<dc:creator>danfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t fully agree with your assessment. I think that while some people have been pretty immoderate with their praise (Andy Inahtko, for example), others have been a lot more even-handed (NY Times comes to mind).

I think that people who claim not to see the use for this device are people who&#039;ve never been plagued with tech-support calls from Baby Boomer parents. Or people who&#039;ve tried to help their grandparents use a computer. Or, really, a lot of people who need to participate in the online world (email, web surfing), but are non-technical and hate computers.

I have yet to see a good argument for why people who are bad with technology must be forced to grapple with it. I know a guy who has zero interest in computers, and finds dealing with his a daily hassle. All he needs to do is send emails, use the internet, and perform basic text editing. The iPad couldn&#039;t be more perfect for his uses.

I think it&#039;s really weird to label the iPhone&#039;s usefulness as somehow invented out of thin air by marketers. That comment simply paints you as a hater, whose either never used one, or never met anyone who uses theirs to do real things they need to do.

I have used my iPhone to edit website documents in a terminal session. I&#039;ve used it to restart web servers. I&#039;ve taken it on vacation overseas where it replaced a bunch of awkward printed maps and heavy guidebooks. I&#039;ve used it on airplanes as entertainment instead of carrying a DVD player or several books. I&#039;ve used it in a pinch when I don&#039;t have my camera with me. The list goes on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t fully agree with your assessment. I think that while some people have been pretty immoderate with their praise (Andy Inahtko, for example), others have been a lot more even-handed (NY Times comes to mind).</p>
<p>I think that people who claim not to see the use for this device are people who&#8217;ve never been plagued with tech-support calls from Baby Boomer parents. Or people who&#8217;ve tried to help their grandparents use a computer. Or, really, a lot of people who need to participate in the online world (email, web surfing), but are non-technical and hate computers.</p>
<p>I have yet to see a good argument for why people who are bad with technology must be forced to grapple with it. I know a guy who has zero interest in computers, and finds dealing with his a daily hassle. All he needs to do is send emails, use the internet, and perform basic text editing. The iPad couldn&#8217;t be more perfect for his uses.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s really weird to label the iPhone&#8217;s usefulness as somehow invented out of thin air by marketers. That comment simply paints you as a hater, whose either never used one, or never met anyone who uses theirs to do real things they need to do.</p>
<p>I have used my iPhone to edit website documents in a terminal session. I&#8217;ve used it to restart web servers. I&#8217;ve taken it on vacation overseas where it replaced a bunch of awkward printed maps and heavy guidebooks. I&#8217;ve used it on airplanes as entertainment instead of carrying a DVD player or several books. I&#8217;ve used it in a pinch when I don&#8217;t have my camera with me. The list goes on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: dimmer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752188</link>
		<dc:creator>dimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the last gen macbook pro (Xeon 4,1)&quot;

Err, no. A Xeon in a laptop would make as much sense as a lit match in a gas tank. You&#039;ll have a core 2 duo and like it buddy boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the last gen macbook pro (Xeon 4,1)&#8221;</p>
<p>Err, no. A Xeon in a laptop would make as much sense as a lit match in a gas tank. You&#8217;ll have a core 2 duo and like it buddy boy.</p>
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		<title>By: ahankinson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752189</link>
		<dc:creator>ahankinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of the opinion that anyone who tells anyone else what they should or shouldn&#039;t do, buy or think is secretly ( or unconsciously) insecure about what they themselves do, buy or think.

What do you care if I buy an iPad, unless you secretly feel inferior if you don&#039;t own one? 

Granted, you may have cause to be concerned about the vendor lock-in. But you know what? That truly will be decided by the market. If people care enough, it won&#039;t happen. Apple is now bigger than Wal*mart, and is encroaching on Microsoft-size territory. If they start losing sales because of DRM, you can bet that they will reverse direction faster than you can say &quot;lock-in.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that anyone who tells anyone else what they should or shouldn&#8217;t do, buy or think is secretly ( or unconsciously) insecure about what they themselves do, buy or think.</p>
<p>What do you care if I buy an iPad, unless you secretly feel inferior if you don&#8217;t own one? </p>
<p>Granted, you may have cause to be concerned about the vendor lock-in. But you know what? That truly will be decided by the market. If people care enough, it won&#8217;t happen. Apple is now bigger than Wal*mart, and is encroaching on Microsoft-size territory. If they start losing sales because of DRM, you can bet that they will reverse direction faster than you can say &#8220;lock-in.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752193</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laser, I think you&#039;re falling into that same trap others have - that it&#039;s a &quot;you&#039;re with us or your&#039;e against us&quot; kind of deal.   It is black or white, us or them for some on the opinion bell curve, but the majority don&#039;t see it that way or even care that much about the extremes. 

We get enough of that in modern politics with people trying to pull us to the far left or far right despite the fact that most wouldn&#039;t mind being in the middle.  I&#039;m starting to wonder if it&#039;s just symptomatic of the times and nothing to do with politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laser, I think you&#8217;re falling into that same trap others have &#8211; that it&#8217;s a &#8220;you&#8217;re with us or your&#8217;e against us&#8221; kind of deal.   It is black or white, us or them for some on the opinion bell curve, but the majority don&#8217;t see it that way or even care that much about the extremes. </p>
<p>We get enough of that in modern politics with people trying to pull us to the far left or far right despite the fact that most wouldn&#8217;t mind being in the middle.  I&#8217;m starting to wonder if it&#8217;s just symptomatic of the times and nothing to do with politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752194</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we don&#039;t understand why this is a thing we&#039;re supposed to want&quot;

Exactly.  It&#039;s not just &quot;Why should I want an iPad?&quot;, but &quot;Why should I want this sort of device?&quot;.  

Let&#039;s be honest - the iPhone was a game-changer.  When they hit the stands, I looked at them and thought: &#039;I want one&#039;.  Then I looked at the cost and decided I didn&#039;t want one that badly.  And when other companies started producing similar devices, I realized that I didn&#039;t, in fact, want an iPhone.  I just wanted something of its sort.  More importantly, I wanted it for a rational price.

But when the iPad came along, I looked at it and thought: &#039;Meh&#039;.  And I LIKE gadgets.  I REALLY like gadgets.  But I just don&#039;t see what an iPad (or any iPad-like device) has to offer that I would actually care to have.  

It IS shiny, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we don&#8217;t understand why this is a thing we&#8217;re supposed to want&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  It&#8217;s not just &#8220;Why should I want an iPad?&#8221;, but &#8220;Why should I want this sort of device?&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be honest &#8211; the iPhone was a game-changer.  When they hit the stands, I looked at them and thought: &#8216;I want one&#8217;.  Then I looked at the cost and decided I didn&#8217;t want one that badly.  And when other companies started producing similar devices, I realized that I didn&#8217;t, in fact, want an iPhone.  I just wanted something of its sort.  More importantly, I wanted it for a rational price.</p>
<p>But when the iPad came along, I looked at it and thought: &#8216;Meh&#8217;.  And I LIKE gadgets.  I REALLY like gadgets.  But I just don&#8217;t see what an iPad (or any iPad-like device) has to offer that I would actually care to have.  </p>
<p>It IS shiny, though.</p>
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		<title>By: darth_schmoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752201</link>
		<dc:creator>darth_schmoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I&#039;m of the opinion that anyone who tells anyone else what they should or shouldn&#039;t do, buy or think is secretly ( or unconsciously) insecure about what they themselves do, buy or think.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That must be a very handy heuristic for dismissing any opinion you do not already hold.  However, you might find some downsides to relying on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m of the opinion that anyone who tells anyone else what they should or shouldn&#8217;t do, buy or think is secretly ( or unconsciously) insecure about what they themselves do, buy or think.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That must be a very handy heuristic for dismissing any opinion you do not already hold.  However, you might find some downsides to relying on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752202</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Sorry, folks, but I find product reviews to be useful.&lt;/em&gt;

How exactly does a philosophical rant by a person who has never used the product in question constitute a &quot;review&quot;?

I daresay Cory&#039;s fans (myself included) would be put off by a &quot;review&quot; of one of his books by a critic who had never read it and didn&#039;t want anyone else to either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sorry, folks, but I find product reviews to be useful.</em></p>
<p>How exactly does a philosophical rant by a person who has never used the product in question constitute a &#8220;review&#8221;?</p>
<p>I daresay Cory&#8217;s fans (myself included) would be put off by a &#8220;review&#8221; of one of his books by a critic who had never read it and didn&#8217;t want anyone else to either.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752204</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How exactly does a philosophical rant by a person who has never used the product in question constitute a &quot;review&quot;?&quot;

Not a &#039;product&#039;, but relevant:

http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How exactly does a philosophical rant by a person who has never used the product in question constitute a &#8220;review&#8221;?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a &#8216;product&#8217;, but relevant:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752208</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awkward metaphors aside (is the iPad supposed to be Santa Claus?) I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard anyone describe that editorial as a &quot;review.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awkward metaphors aside (is the iPad supposed to be Santa Claus?) I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard anyone describe that editorial as a &#8220;review.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Helveticade</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/1984-ipad-edition.html#comment-752211</link>
		<dc:creator>Helveticade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it might&#039;ve been rad when it came out, but you can&#039;t tell me that it&#039;s aged well.
PS: the dishonesty in sections of the anti-iPad crowd reeks of Obama-death-squad levels of fearmongering. Apple is big brother because they won&#039;t let you install a fart app or a virus on your smudge-covered iPhone? Get real.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it might&#8217;ve been rad when it came out, but you can&#8217;t tell me that it&#8217;s aged well.<br />
PS: the dishonesty in sections of the anti-iPad crowd reeks of Obama-death-squad levels of fearmongering. Apple is big brother because they won&#8217;t let you install a fart app or a virus on your smudge-covered iPhone? Get real.  </p>
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