So I poked around on these Price people’s website a bit, and there’s definitely some inflammatory rhetoric there, and claims made from single studies that were conducted nearly half a century ago.

(referring specifically to footnote 12 here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/Twenty-Two-Reasons-Not-to-Go-Vegetarian.html).

not to say that they don’t do some good work and make some good points. i’m not well versed enough to pass such judgment. but i don’t think calling them “anti-vegetarian” is at all out of order. they are explicitly opposed to vegetarianism.

anywho. night all.

They support the consumption of nutrient dense food. Check out their very interesting research on the benefits of eating unadulterated animal products. They encourage people to make their own food and avoid packaged food – a DIY approach to nutrition. I encourage everybody to check them out. Go see their website: http://www.westonaprice.org/

http://www.westonaprice.org/Caustic-Commentary-Spring-2010.html

scroll down to “Adverse Effects.”

Not trying to poison the well here, and maybe there is a problem with these vaccines. Just saying….

I’m a vegetarian and I perceive myself to be very healthy. Granted, I take daily vitamin supplements and have to pay particular attention to getting my nutritional needs met.

I don’t think that my way is any better or worse than a non-vegetarian diet. It’s just my choice.

The well-respected Three Stone Hearth in Berkeley uses many of WAP’s findings – with delicious results.

My favorite cookbook, Nourishing Traditions, has many references to WAP. My family eats the following daily due to WAP and our health has improved:

organically raised produce
slow food
rich bone broths
kombucha
soaked grains
grass-fed butter
cod liver oil
coconut oil
lard
sourdough bread
avoid MSG
avoid nitrates, nitrites
avoid processed foods
avoid trans fats

Would be interested in where the study did come from, though :)

Why would anyone conduct research with a ten foot bean pole? And was it a soy-bean pole?

Hexane is one of several alkanes found in gasoline that you use to fuel your car — if this story REALLY scares you all that much, then bring an oxygen mask with you when you fill up your car; you’ll probably inhale far more during one filling than you would by eating soy burgers every day for a year.

And anyways — unless you’re huffing the stuff, your body will more than likely just put it on the urinary express; it’s not like it’s going to take up residency in your brain or anything.

Oh.. I just read Brillow’s comment (immediately before mine). :)

btw — good reading for people interested in this topic — “Why is there anti-freeze in my toothpaste”? The book explores all of those weird food additives that are used in consumer products (including foods and consumables), why they’re used, and whether or not you should worry.

http://www.cornucopia.org/silk-whitewavedean-foods/

Or so the people behind the study would have you think…

… allow me to propose that B!B! adopt a policy of informed skepticism IN GENERAL and be a bit slower to jump on something. I’d really, really like to have some degree of confidence when I quote B!B!

Y’know, a happy mutant kind of vibe.

My old gran had more common sense than either side in this ridiculous food war: “A little bit of what you fancy does you good.”

To learn about a true paleo diet, and the various variations of it, see: http://paleodiet.com/definition.htm

Not according to the American Dietetic Association: http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8357

So vegetarians and vegans have to do some planning to have the healthiest diet possible. Omnivores should be doing the same thing. Many just think they don’t need to.

People who think because it is natural it is good for you in general are asshats who dont understand basic science or reality. Lots of natural occurring things cause disease, cancer, death, etc… Processed -vs- not processed, “natural” -vs- “artificial”… Not the issue. Things on both sides are bane and boon. Time, documentation, and research will boil the truth to the surface. Cross/selective breeding can have the same devastating effects as manually editing the DNA of a crop. Heh, maybe even more; YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET with cross breeding and selective breeding, but if things a mapped out you and some idea what might happen if you edit DNA. Case in point… Corn (the result of cross/selective breeding) led to the deaths of many across europe from pellegra.

Natural fats? Still fats, and can still be bad for you if you dont use common sense and moderation. Your organic fru-fru bacon is still going to clog your arteries and kill you.

We’ve been engineering, modifying, and processing our food most of our existence. Corn? Would never have come to be without man. Melons? Not in the form they are today. Carrots? Carrots WERE NOT ORANGE, they were breed to be orange in holland as some sorta tribute to the crown!

This thinking is dangerous. It is going to make people think sugar is healthier than HFCS and just replace the root cause of diabetes with another one.

Cooking? Processing. Pickling? Processing. Kneading bread? Processing.

In almost all cases problems caused by diet are over indulgence and lack of diversity.

Also… NOT ALL BEER IS VEGAN. isinglass, used for clarifying, is basically dried fish bladder.

Eat your veggies, fruits, soy, beef, fish… IT’S ALL CURRENTLY POISONED WITH SOMETHING due to acid rain, mercury, unsanitary factories, chicken/pig shit/teflon in the water supply, or some other very scary aspect of environmental pollution. While people screamed and cried over the ghost of global warming they completely ignored THE ACTUAL POISONING OF THE EARTH, AIR, AND SEA, thus poisoning OUR ENTIRE FUCKEN FOOD CHAIN.

I just want my guilt free meat that asks me how I want it prepared and gives suggestions. Or meat pods that grow in the desert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucNYLsjKaTQ skip to 6 minutes in for the relative bit.

I will go a step further and say NOTHING IS UNNATURAL. A VCR is as natural as a beaver dam, wasp nest, or termite mound.

and psyster, you had some good points, but you lost it at the end. i’d invite you to eat your vcr, see how healthy that goes down. the question of the semantics of natural is a distraction from the question of what is good for you.

the problem with better living through chemistry is that you’re relying on scattershot, flashbulb glimpses of the affects of various chemicals on your body that can never take into account all the effects of the introduction of one process or chemical into your body/environment. (which are ultimately one and the same) older foods and the traditions they came up in have a much better track record of health and nutrition than any new processed foods. most food processes that come about nowadays are created either to fix a problem created by some other new-fangled process, fix a pseudo-problem based on naive and incorrect assumptions about food and nutrition, or simply to create a “value added” foodstuff that can be sold for a higher price and enrich the food corps. sometimes all three.

example: corn fed beef. cows evolved to eat grass and walk around. immobilizing them in front of a giant pile of calories (feed corn) causes them to become excessively fatty. first the meat industry sold us this unhealthy side effect as a benefit “marbling”. then when people got scared of excess saturated fat, they created all kinds of processed low-fat meats, then when people got scared of that it became processed no-fat soy products, then those turn out to be terrible for the environment and possibly for health so they create…i don’t know, whatever’s next on the frozen aisle of whole foods. each time the cost goes up. each time some new health benefit or flavor enhancement is plastered in red lettering on the box. each iteration involves chemistry, sure, but is it bad for you or good for you? who knows? it’s to the point now that professionals who think about this stuff all day can’t really say for sure.

saying “better living through chemistry” or “nothing is unnatural” is like saying “better living through catchphrases.”

However, the need for personal skepticism does not impact any of the merits of B!B! having more rigor.

So yes, Zing! you got me! Now can we discuss if there is a need for better B!B! standards? Look over this thread, I’m not the only one suggesting it.