Isn’t it interesting that opponents of laws against illegal immigration would smear swastikas on the buildings of their opponents. Why does it mean the opposite?

Anyway, if we only applied what we take to be basic human rights as defined in those documents to “citizens,” then it would be legal to hold non-citizens in prison without a trial, or send them off to other countries to be tortured, etc., which is obviously absurd.

Wait, what?

Mmmmmm… tautology. *drool*

“Why demonize the people who are required to enforce the law, or otherwise to lose their jobs? That does not turn the police officers into a gestapo officers”

By that logic, actual Gestapo agents were blameless for any law they enforced, no matter how unjust, as they were simply trying to keep their jobs. I thought that a repudiation of the whole “just following orders” excuse was one of the major outcomes of the Nuremberg Trials, but it is apparently still lost on some people.

Simply put, ditch the “Race Card” and let’s go to the root of this “Illegal Immigration” issue: Economic Class War.

The “Rich Elite” have been in open war with us since the 50s prosperity era. A penny at a time they’ve been taking back “Their” money, and buying up the media to create fake “Left/Right” debate over it.

When it suits their purposes at the time, Capitalists will argue “The law of supply and demand”. This is proof of that, for illegal labor combined with tariff and trade barrier free (even subsidized) “Outsourcing” of manufacturing and skilled technical labor is what is crushing this country’s economy.

How can a man bargain his labor when not just one illegal immigrant, but his whole family will do it for half his minimum wage? How can a man keep his job at a shoe factory when overseas a 6 year old girl chained to a post in a factory that could catch fire any day can much cheaper sew the $200 ‘sports’ shoes? How can a skilled engineer compete when a foreign firm offers to do the job at less than half what he could possibly bid for the time/labor?

And, last but not least, how can any holdout “Made in the USA” firms compete when the companies that outsource can LEGALLY have it “Made in China” but have the “Made in the USA” label put on in a sweatshop just outside the USA?

The answer is they can’t. We’ve had our wages shorted and prices raised. We can’t bargain our labor, and because of the government bailing out companies, even ‘boycotts’ do not work.

One of the quickest ways to turn this around is not so much a fence or profiling but to target employers who hire illegals. Just check randomly and often, focusing on agriculture and low-wage jobs. Then throw the book at them. Also shut down the “Tariff/Trade Barrier” freedom these “Outsourcing” companies have.

All they are doing is punching a hole in a dam to power a small waterwheel for “Free” power. This costs 9 parts of energy to the real generator for every 1 made and threatens to destroy the structure. It should be treated as fraud, if not treason.

And the worst of it is that they themselves use the “Race Card” to hide behind. They want to set one group of people against another, so they keep fighting and don’t realize who is really robbing them. “Divide and Conquer” is the controllers long term strategy. The Bretons conquered the UK by setting one tribe, one kingdom against another. Later they did the same in the Americas, and they used Africans to help capture and sell other Africans in the slave trade. As that empire faded, replaced by the American one and the “Globalist” one, these tactics were re-used and refined.

But race is not an issue, save a surface. The real goal is to take what little standard of living that we thought we were entitled to, so that every person is a scared, starving slave to elites who think they are kings and gods.

We need to pass laws like this, and failing that we need local pressure. Let the Supreme Court and ACLU get them struck down, we can pass them faster than they can take them down. And in the case of “State Defiance”, the government wouldn’t be able to “Force” anything as long as it wasn’t open armed rebellion. Such as the “national ID card” which even Dubya’s team wimped away from when some states refused.

And if the states refuse, we the people need to take action. I won’t suggest or talk about anything “extralegal” over the net. I don’t have to. Besides, lots of cool “Legal” stuff we can do, not the least of which is the “Jury Nullification” protest.

1. Make any crime committed against an illegal “Nullification” bait. If they weren’t in this country illegally, they could not be victims of crimes. The exception is to be those that employ them and crimes they commit against them.

2. Target “Coward Cops” who refuse to go after illegals but are so brave when they give you a ticket cause you couldn’t afford to replace that light till payday. Post notices (via your local Vigilante/citizen’s group) that they are “Coward Cops” and subject to “Nullification” of any crime they have a hand in busting (except illegal immigration) or any crime committed against them, just in case they accidentally encounter a “Deadly fugitive” when stopping someone for a “Fine” job of “Justice by Points”.

3. Find and target those that employ illegals. Describe them as “Traitor” as you post their faces all over the city. “Traitor and thief” as they help drain the country’s money into pennies for the starving and giant bags of money for themselves. Declare that they are unworthy of any help from the law (again jury nullification argument) because they steal from our society and so do not fairly own their property.

A few incidents, like a “Throw self in front of a car to sue owner” getting crutches and a ticket home. A sicko keeping prisoners in a “Dungeon” as long as he caught, but didn’t ‘buy’ them. An employer getting a “Postal Service Job Complaint” that is deemed “not guilty” because he replaced a guy with an illegal…

A few incidents like that, the states will start taking action and SCRUB the towns of illegals and go hard on those that employ them. They do things like this, as Saul Alinsky pointed out, because they “Lose their power” in any event if they have to scream for “Big Brother” to come in and help them.

That’s not true. It’s true that it would be ridiculous to attempt to enforce this law without racial profiling. It would be absurd beyond belief and waste a huge amount of time and money. But it would certainly be possible. Police could simply pretend that they didn’t know what illegal immigrants looked like, and treat everyone as if they could be illegal with no regard to the strongest circumstantial evidence available.

There’s another aspect to this that I haven’t seen widely discussed. Given that the Arizona legislature is also working on a “birther bill” that would allow the Secretary of State to leave candidates off the Presidential ballot based on skepticism over Hawaiian-issued birth certificates and the like, there’s clearly some risk that President Obama would be arrested for being “undocumented” if he were to visit Arizona. I’m sure that more than a few police officers down there believe he was born in Kenya and was never naturalized, or that he effectively renounced his citizenship while living in Indonesia. Moreover, agencies that decline to arrest him would be exposed to birther lawsuits.

As Greengestalt hilariously asks, “How can a man bargain his labor when not just one illegal immigrant, but his whole family will do it for half his minimum wage?”

Well, it is difficult for such a man because if his marginal productivity is not greater than the minimum wage then he has been priced out of the labor market.

“AMENDMENT IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The founding fathers put this in because they never wanted us to believe that a piece of paper gave us rights. Our rights are “self-evident”, “endowed upon man by his creator.” Whether you believe in a creator or not, the concept is simple: Rights cannot be given or taken away by law, only protected or violated.

I have a right to be, and to proceed about my business unharrassed so long as there is not due cause to impede my progress. The color of my skin is not due cause, anymore than the manner in which I carry myself or the clothes I choose to wear, as all of these things constitute my being or proceeding about my business.

In your eyes, an allegation of racism is not valid criticism of this policy? That’s interesting.

This is really more “Know-Nothing Party” than Nazi.

Can we get some fairly-well-known (legal) Hispanic celebrities to wander around Phoenix without papers (as it is their legal right to do) until they get arrested?

Or, perhaps with the help of some Hispanic officers in the police force, can we have a large spate of arresting legal Canadian immigrants and tourists?

Ooh ooh, arrest a few Jewish tourists as well. That might start triggering a couple of neurons in people’s brains.

Am I correct in my assumption that the police are required to stop tourists and arrest them if they don’t have papers? Or does that only apply to brown people?

The people of the United States, to form a more perfect union.

Are we in *political union* with non-citizens? Should they vote too?

I wonder if a lot of rage about how this is gestapo like will actually scare illegal immigrants away?

There’s a reason that there is explicitly *no* official language in the United States, and that’s because not everyone in the government is a racist schmuck.

(I’m quoting Minh-ha Pham http://erstwhilethreads.wordpress.com/ commenting on an article about “clothes profiling” http://iheartthreadbared.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/foucault-was-right-gop-rep-targets-illegals-via-dress/#
by Mimi Nguyen)

She hasn’t got any papers, other than her birth certificate, to show she’s American. She’s ten.

I have to present my papers upon request.

Bullsh*t. Unless you live in Arizona, you do not have to show any papers to a police officer “upon request,” and you are not required to carry papers on you.

The only time you are required to show “papers” are if you are doing something that requires a license, such as showing a driver’s license when you are driving a car, or some proof of age when you are drinking in a bar.

Outside of these times, there is no case where you are required by law to carry “papers.”

Yelling “Racism!” should not preclude discussion of enforcing our immigration laws, no.

This particular attempt has flaws, but it is born of frustration.