Comments on: New Google Maps Option: "Avoid Arizona" (alright, it's a joke) http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 13:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771328 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771328 Most people manage to avoid Arizona quite unintentionally. Most people manage to avoid Arizona quite unintentionally.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771331 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771331 Most Canadians go to Arizona for the winter: then they buy the houses that no American can afford. Apparently Canucks are less dangerous than other immigrants, but I can't imagine why. Warning: my neighbour doesn't carry a gun: he's a retired lawyer, so he doesn't need to! Most Canadians go to Arizona for the winter: then they buy the houses that no American can afford.

Apparently Canucks are less dangerous than other immigrants, but I can’t imagine why.

Warning: my neighbour doesn’t carry a gun: he’s a retired lawyer, so he doesn’t need to!

]]> By: GeekMan http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771332 GeekMan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771332 As a Canadian, I have to ask: What's so wrong with Arizona that you can't even merely drive through it? As a Canadian, I have to ask: What’s so wrong with Arizona that you can’t even merely drive through it?

]]> By: zikman http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771333 zikman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771333 if it weren't for google, I'd probably be in arizona right now. if it weren’t for google, I’d probably be in arizona right now.

]]> By: MrsBug http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771334 MrsBug Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771334 GeekMan, Arizona has a new law that basically allows the police to stop any brown person and ask them for papers proving they are in the US legally. GeekMan, Arizona has a new law that basically allows the police to stop any brown person and ask them for papers proving they are in the US legally.

]]> By: kaffeen http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771346 kaffeen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771346 That is funny, but on the other hand, this is exactly what they want; especially the dark skinned variety of Homo Sapiens. That is funny, but on the other hand, this is exactly what they want; especially the dark skinned variety of Homo Sapiens.

]]> By: stanleyk http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-772115 stanleyk Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772115 ...or, I suppose, if someone looks/sounds Canadian to them. Somehow I suspect that will come up less frequently, though. …or, I suppose, if someone looks/sounds Canadian to them. Somehow I suspect that will come up less frequently, though.

]]> By: tofoomeister http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771350 tofoomeister Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771350 Not real, you say? (Link goes to Google maps) http://bit.ly/asjuI2 Not real, you say? (Link goes to Google maps)
http://bit.ly/asjuI2

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-772123 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772123 StanlyK, the proof is in the part you just posted: ""FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL" Stopping someone because their brown would be an "unlawful contact." "WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES" That would go something like this, their stopped for a traffic violation, have no drivers license, insurance and can't speak English. That would give "reasonable Suspicion" they were here illegally. "A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON." ie. asking them if they have a Visa, Passport etc. "and the way this reads, they would be OBLIGATED to demand documentation if some one looks/sounds Mexican to them" You must live in a pretty white area of the Country. I live in South Texas, people that actually live in non-racially-homogeneous parts of the country know, "looking Mexican" doesn't mean or cause a "reasonable suspicion" your from Mexico. See, we actually work, play, live next to and interact with people of various races all day. Hispanic Americans are our friends, neighbors, coworkers, hell I'm married to a Hispanic. Just because their skin is a bit darker doesn't mean we automatically think their an illegal immigrant. That seems to be a bit of bigotry on your part, thinking the color of your scan would cause "reasonable suspicion" of being an illegal immigrant. StanlyK, the proof is in the part you just posted:

“”FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL”

Stopping someone because their brown would be an “unlawful contact.”

“WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES”

That would go something like this, their stopped for a traffic violation, have no drivers license, insurance and can’t speak English. That would give “reasonable Suspicion” they were here illegally.

“A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.”

ie. asking them if they have a Visa, Passport etc.

“and the way this reads, they would be OBLIGATED to demand documentation if some one looks/sounds Mexican to them”

You must live in a pretty white area of the Country. I live in South Texas, people that actually live in non-racially-homogeneous parts of the country know, “looking Mexican” doesn’t mean or cause a “reasonable suspicion” your from Mexico. See, we actually work, play, live next to and interact with people of various races all day. Hispanic Americans are our friends, neighbors, coworkers, hell I’m married to a Hispanic. Just because their skin is a bit darker doesn’t mean we automatically think their an illegal immigrant.

That seems to be a bit of bigotry on your part, thinking the color of your scan would cause “reasonable suspicion” of being an illegal immigrant.

]]> By: IronEdithKidd http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771356 IronEdithKidd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771356 They could stop any person of any color. So GeekMan, you should also consider avoiding AZ due to your Canadian-ness. That and the possibility of having to cross back into your country via Port Huron. You want to avoid that, too. They could stop any person of any color. So GeekMan, you should also consider avoiding AZ due to your Canadian-ness. That and the possibility of having to cross back into your country via Port Huron. You want to avoid that, too.

]]> By: ianturton http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771361 ianturton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771361 I'm a legal alien and I'll be avoiding Arizona until they repeal this law. So no sales tax or hotel taxes or any other income from me, plus it means I'll encourage my students to avoid Arizona based conferences as I won't be able to see their presentation. I’m a legal alien and I’ll be avoiding Arizona until they repeal this law. So no sales tax or hotel taxes or any other income from me, plus it means I’ll encourage my students to avoid Arizona based conferences as I won’t be able to see their presentation.

]]> By: kevinsky http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771362 kevinsky Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771362 No, as Canadians, Geekman and I aren't persons of color, we're persons of coloUr. Big difference! No, as Canadians, Geekman and I aren’t persons of color, we’re persons of coloUr. Big difference!

]]> By: agraham999 http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771364 agraham999 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771364 My ban list is getting pretty big... Utah Mormons Christianity Whole Foods Wal Mart The South Processed/GM Foods Orange Juice Republicans and now Arizona... My ban list is getting pretty big…

Utah
Mormons
Christianity
Whole Foods
Wal Mart
The South
Processed/GM Foods
Orange Juice
Republicans
and now Arizona…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771621 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771621 How do I go about moving my domains and hosting from Godaddy? What's a good company? The law is not Godaddy's fault, but the fees I pay them go toward paying taxes to the state of AZ so the police can demand people's papers based on the way they look. How do I go about moving my domains and hosting from Godaddy? What’s a good company?

The law is not Godaddy’s fault, but the fees I pay them go toward paying taxes to the state of AZ so the police can demand people’s papers based on the way they look.

]]> By: Boba Fett Diop http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771366 Boba Fett Diop Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771366 Ahem...some Canadians are persons of <i>couleur</i>. Ahem…some Canadians are persons of couleur.

]]> By: TheWillow http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771371 TheWillow Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771371 Wouldn't that be Canadiens? Wouldn’t that be Canadiens?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771374 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771374 ITT: People who haven't read the law and don't know anything about requirements that resident aliens already have to fulfill. If you're a resident alien, you always have to have your 'papers'. It's federal law that you carry them. Under this law, illegal immigration status is not a primary offense - they have to stop you for something else first. If you produce an AZ driver's license (or license from another state or some other official identification document), then you're presumed to be a citizen. If you produce the papers that the federal government makes you carry around, then you're presumed to be a legal resident alien. End of story - you get your speeding ticket and go on your way. (Or if the cop was trying to profile you for being brown, you get a 'warning' or a DWB/DWH.) Of course, if you're driving without a license, and without papers, you're in trouble. But then, you'd be in trouble anyway for driving without a license. Link to the law, full text: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf Also, lol at the 'avoid Arizona' joke. ITT: People who haven’t read the law and don’t know anything about requirements that resident aliens already have to fulfill.
If you’re a resident alien, you always have to have your ‘papers’. It’s federal law that you carry them.
Under this law, illegal immigration status is not a primary offense – they have to stop you for something else first. If you produce an AZ driver’s license (or license from another state or some other official identification document), then you’re presumed to be a citizen. If you produce the papers that the federal government makes you carry around, then you’re presumed to be a legal resident alien. End of story – you get your speeding ticket and go on your way. (Or if the cop was trying to profile you for being brown, you get a ‘warning’ or a DWB/DWH.)
Of course, if you’re driving without a license, and without papers, you’re in trouble. But then, you’d be in trouble anyway for driving without a license.
Link to the law, full text: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Also, lol at the ‘avoid Arizona’ joke.

]]> By: Felton http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771378 Felton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771378 Thinking about Arizona's new law makes me a person of choler. Thinking about Arizona’s new law makes me a person of choler.

]]> By: Teller http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771380 Teller Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771380 My father was born in Mexico, I love the Arizona outdoors and I don't care if someone asks me if I'm legal because I am. To me, all this wailing about racial profiling is just mierda de caballo. I don't think the law will stand, but I'm glad AZ is pressing the issue - an issue ignored so long by our fearful, vote-counting elected Federal officials. My father was born in Mexico, I love the Arizona outdoors and I don’t care if someone asks me if I’m legal because I am. To me, all this wailing about racial profiling is just mierda de caballo. I don’t think the law will stand, but I’m glad AZ is pressing the issue – an issue ignored so long by our fearful, vote-counting elected Federal officials.

]]> By: orangelamp http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771383 orangelamp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771383 it'd actually be quite useful to have a default "Avoid USA" in google maps, especially for directions between western canada and Toronto, which always seem to route through Minnesota and Michigan. (No passport, thanks.) it’d actually be quite useful to have a default “Avoid USA” in google maps, especially for directions between western canada and Toronto, which always seem to route through Minnesota and Michigan. (No passport, thanks.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-772152 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772152 Interesting, the story you posed about Abdon... He wasn't picked up by State Police. The law isn't in effect yet, so their still not allowed to do anything immigration related. He was picked up by ICE, the Feds, the people everyone keeps saying we need to leave all this up to. The story says his drivers license and SS card wasn't enough for ICE they wanted his birth certificate. The Arizona law specifically says if they produce a drivers license that's enough evidence to prove they are here legally. So this law actually seems LESS restrictive than Federal procedures and guidelines. I also think beat cops would be much more understanding, reasonable and realistic when dealing with these situations than a ICE agent. They deal with people all day on all types of situations, ICE agents do nothing but look for illegals and probably get carried away at times. Interesting, the story you posed about Abdon… He wasn’t picked up by State Police. The law isn’t in effect yet, so their still not allowed to do anything immigration related. He was picked up by ICE, the Feds, the people everyone keeps saying we need to leave all this up to.

The story says his drivers license and SS card wasn’t enough for ICE they wanted his birth certificate. The Arizona law specifically says if they produce a drivers license that’s enough evidence to prove they are here legally. So this law actually seems LESS restrictive than Federal procedures and guidelines.

I also think beat cops would be much more understanding, reasonable and realistic when dealing with these situations than a ICE agent. They deal with people all day on all types of situations, ICE agents do nothing but look for illegals and probably get carried away at times.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771387 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771387 Don't believe MrsBug, or me either, but instead find out for yorself at http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/ . I think you'll find that the law prohibits the use of race or skin color as the sole detemination of whether a person is suspected of being an illegal alien. Even if these bigots here were right in thinking that anyone having brown skin is likely to be an illegal alien then this law wouldn't allow them to be stopped solely because of their skin color. I have found illegal aliens to come in all varieties of race and skin color. You can't tell if a person is an enemy of democracy by their race, skin color, or religion. Don’t believe MrsBug, or me either, but instead find out for yorself at http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/ . I think you’ll find that the law prohibits the use of race or skin color as the sole detemination of whether a person is suspected of being an illegal alien. Even if these bigots here were right in thinking that anyone having brown skin is likely to be an illegal alien then this law wouldn’t allow them to be stopped solely because of their skin color. I have found illegal aliens to come in all varieties of race and skin color. You can’t tell if a person is an enemy of democracy by their race, skin color, or religion.

]]> By: keypontrucken http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771394 keypontrucken Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771394 So Teller, were you an anchor baby? Haha, just kidding. But seriously, you're okay with being stopped for no other offense but the color of your skin, your walk, your talk--and being required to show proof of your legal status? Because I'm not okay with that, but I already hated Arizona anyway. So Teller, were you an anchor baby? Haha, just kidding. But seriously, you’re okay with being stopped for no other offense but the color of your skin, your walk, your talk–and being required to show proof of your legal status? Because I’m not okay with that, but I already hated Arizona anyway.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771404 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771404 Are you legal and also in the habit of carrying your original birth certificate around at all times? The racial profiling and harassment is bad enough, but just showing a driver's license or photo ID isn't good enough. Maybe it's all a scam to get people to lose or damage their birth certificates and then have to pay the replacement fees. Are you legal and also in the habit of carrying your original birth certificate around at all times? The racial profiling and harassment is bad enough, but just showing a driver’s license or photo ID isn’t good enough.

Maybe it’s all a scam to get people to lose or damage their birth certificates and then have to pay the replacement fees.

]]> By: grimc http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771407 grimc Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771407 Who cares if you say you're legal. We're going to need some proof. Be sure to carry your passport and birth certificate (original, not copy) on you at all times. If you don't, you can spend some time at the ICE detention center until you sort it out. Should only take a couple of hours, a few days at most. Who cares if you say you’re legal. We’re going to need some proof. Be sure to carry your passport and birth certificate (original, not copy) on you at all times. If you don’t, you can spend some time at the ICE detention center until you sort it out. Should only take a couple of hours, a few days at most.

]]> By: Brillobreaks http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771420 Brillobreaks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771420 Will you still be OK with it after you're arrested, jailed (maybe raped while there), and held for a few days till some family member manages to retrieve your 'papers' from home? Even if you are, most of us aren't ok with that. Will you still be OK with it after you’re arrested, jailed (maybe raped while there), and held for a few days till some family member manages to retrieve your ‘papers’ from home?

Even if you are, most of us aren’t ok with that.

]]> By: Elite Hacker http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771424 Elite Hacker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771424 Quite a few of my friends and acquaintances here in California have decided to boycott Arizona completely. This includes buying absolutely nothing from any Arizona based businesses (FYI - GoDaddy HQ's is in AZ) whether online or not. I'd also advise any Canadians or Mexicans to do the same. They don't like to mingle with foreigners in that sh*t hole they call a state. Quite a few of my friends and acquaintances here in California have decided to boycott Arizona completely. This includes buying absolutely nothing from any Arizona based businesses (FYI – GoDaddy HQ’s is in AZ) whether online or not. I’d also advise any Canadians or Mexicans to do the same. They don’t like to mingle with foreigners in that sh*t hole they call a state.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771425 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771425 This is like the google map note that I'm told no longre occurs, in which if you want to go from, oh, 24 Sussex Drive in Ottawa, Ontario to 9 Downing Street in London, it at one point instructs you to swim across the ocean. This is like the google map note that I’m told no longre occurs, in which if you want to go from, oh, 24 Sussex Drive in Ottawa, Ontario to 9 Downing Street in London, it at one point instructs you to swim across the ocean.

]]> By: Creeation http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771427 Creeation Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771427 For any non- First Nation, Inuit or Native American to think they on this land legally is a joke. For any non- First Nation, Inuit or Native American to think they on this land legally is a joke.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/new-google-maps-opti.html#comment-771428 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771428 Yeah, it can't be a pull down menu then, it should really be a bunch of checkboxes for things to avoid. Yeah, it can’t be a pull down menu then, it should really be a bunch of checkboxes for things to avoid.

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