Comments on: The "fair use economy" is enormous, growing, and endangered by the relatively tiny entertainment industry http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-772153 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772153 There's nothing wrong with Comment #1 because he's advocating co-ops. If you want to get together with a bunch of other workers and form a limited liability partnership, you are welcome to try it, and you are welcome to the fruits of your labors if you succeed. The mistake he's making is that it is not businesses driving up prices (which is the source of real wage stagnation), but rather, government driving up prices with endless regulations. There’s nothing wrong with Comment #1 because he’s advocating co-ops. If you want to get together with a bunch of other workers and form a limited liability partnership, you are welcome to try it, and you are welcome to the fruits of your labors if you succeed. The mistake he’s making is that it is not businesses driving up prices (which is the source of real wage stagnation), but rather, government driving up prices with endless regulations.

]]> By: Pantograph http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-772419 Pantograph Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772419 Dis Kapital? Sounds like a Marxist rapper. Dis Kapital? Sounds like a Marxist rapper.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-772164 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772164 I feel like saying this study is the counterpoint to wanting to fine infringers is a disingenuous statement, seeing as copyright infringement is not fair use and thus is not covered in this report. I feel like saying this study is the counterpoint to wanting to fine infringers is a disingenuous statement, seeing as copyright infringement is not fair use and thus is not covered in this report.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-774513 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-774513 Thanks to the digital economy both individuals and small groups (bands for example) can be competitive against corporate entities. However as scale and capital needs increase the corporate form becomes dominant. The whole idea that wealth is being stolen by capitalists is however false. Wealth is being stolen at a much faster rate by the politicians that any other group in the American economy. Thanks to the digital economy both individuals and small groups (bands for example) can be competitive against corporate entities. However as scale and capital needs increase the corporate form becomes dominant.

The whole idea that wealth is being stolen by capitalists is however false. Wealth is being stolen at a much faster rate by the politicians that any other group in the American economy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-772247 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772247 Er, private school jobs and ISPs depend on fair use? One could equally argue they depend on copyrighted content (textbooks, msnbc.com, etc). I'm sympathetic to the cause, but this is a silly statistic. - Mala Er, private school jobs and ISPs depend on fair use? One could equally argue they depend on copyrighted content (textbooks, msnbc.com, etc).

I’m sympathetic to the cause, but this is a silly statistic.

- Mala

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-771486 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771486 Productivity, working hours, and output (GDP) have all grown due to the IT revolution. However, real (inflation adjusted) wages are flat (or in the case of white males with a high school or lower level of schooling, declining). We are working smarter and harder, but our wealth is being stolen from us by the capitalists. Only when workers own and control our contemporary "means of production", can we possess what we produce. We already basically control software and content in the form of FLOSS and CC, but we don't own the brand identities (trademarks) to effectively market and deploy our output independent of corporations. If the modern labor movement were forward thinking, they would be promoting worker-self-managed enterprises and establishing a union brand identity via service marks that ensure quality output, sane working conditions, and lack of wasteful management/shareholder overhead. Productivity, working hours, and output (GDP) have all grown due to the IT revolution. However, real (inflation adjusted) wages are flat (or in the case of white males with a high school or lower level of schooling, declining). We are working smarter and harder, but our wealth is being stolen from us by the capitalists.

Only when workers own and control our contemporary “means of production”, can we possess what we produce. We already basically control software and content in the form of FLOSS and CC, but we don’t own the brand identities (trademarks) to effectively market and deploy our output independent of corporations.

If the modern labor movement were forward thinking, they would be promoting worker-self-managed enterprises and establishing a union brand identity via service marks that ensure quality output, sane working conditions, and lack of wasteful management/shareholder overhead.

]]> By: Fluffy Merengue http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-772027 Fluffy Merengue Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-772027 I had the same thought, zyodei -- sophomore year should be for drinking beer, not coffee. Hey, anon, that "wasteful management/shareholder overhead" is called "liquidity," and without it you'd be trying to figure out how to make your own shoes right now. I suggest you read the "Foxfire" series instead of Marx; you might be able to survive the progressivist utopia you yearn for. I had the same thought, zyodei — sophomore year should be for drinking beer, not coffee.

Hey, anon, that “wasteful management/shareholder overhead” is called “liquidity,” and without it you’d be trying to figure out how to make your own shoes right now. I suggest you read the “Foxfire” series instead of Marx; you might be able to survive the progressivist utopia you yearn for.

]]> By: zyodei http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-771782 zyodei Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-771782 Umm...so, did you just get done reading Dis Kapital and couldn't wait to find a relevant post to share your newfound enlightenment about how "it's impossible to market without corporate trademarks" on? The problem is, that the people who benefit from fair use, not being crooks by nature, aren't inclined to manipulate the political system to realize their ends... Umm…so, did you just get done reading Dis Kapital and couldn’t wait to find a relevant post to share your newfound enlightenment about how “it’s impossible to market without corporate trademarks” on?

The problem is, that the people who benefit from fair use, not being crooks by nature, aren’t inclined to manipulate the political system to realize their ends…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/04/27/the-fair-use-economy.html#comment-775927 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-775927 Actually it seems even more disingenuous to claim that this study has no bearing on the issue of fines for copyright infringement, since copyright infringement claims are currently being heavily overused to an abusive extreme. These claims harm the fair-use economy, and it is useful to know the size of the sector that is being harmed. Actually it seems even more disingenuous to claim that this study has no bearing on the issue of fines for copyright infringement, since copyright infringement claims are currently being heavily overused to an abusive extreme. These claims harm the fair-use economy, and it is useful to know the size of the sector that is being harmed.

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