Comments on: Die Antwoord: Whoah. That's some hardcore marketing. http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 01:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Marcel http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-780039 Marcel Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-780039 Can I just add that putting the instrumental versions of the songs on their website today for the remixers to rip and play with is another act total websavvy genius on their part. Can I just add that putting the instrumental versions of the songs on their website today for the remixers to rip and play with is another act total websavvy genius on their part.

]]> By: Daemon http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779545 Daemon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779545 I'd be more impressed if it was a good design. I’d be more impressed if it was a good design.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779802 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779802 Now that what I call a marketing guru. Guess it will be a real tattoo when I read the article on their poes cool fansite here at --> http://www.dieantwoordzeflings.com Why would he place a fake tattoo if his bodies is full of real tattoos already?? The photo looks pretty 'real'as well, but that doesn't count...i know folks...Anyway, LOVE DIE ANTWOORD!!!! Now that what I call a marketing guru. Guess it will be a real tattoo when I read the article on their poes cool fansite here at –> http://www.dieantwoordzeflings.com

Why would he place a fake tattoo if his bodies is full of real tattoos already?? The photo looks pretty ‘real’as well, but that doesn’t count…i know folks…Anyway, LOVE DIE ANTWOORD!!!!

]]> By: OhEn http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-780064 OhEn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-780064 Die Antwoord are to the white South African underclass what minstrelsy was to the black U.S. underclass. There is a long history of "artists" profiting from mocking the powerless. Die Antwoord are to the white South African underclass what minstrelsy was to the black U.S. underclass. There is a long history of “artists” profiting from mocking the powerless.

]]> By: Ichabod http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779554 Ichabod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779554 I have a feeling there in NO way you could sit for 11 hours work on your back. Even Matt Gone of mattgone.com would only sit for 8 hours at a time. Not impressed = I have no idea. I have a feeling there in NO way you could sit for 11 hours work on your back. Even Matt Gone of mattgone.com would only sit for 8 hours at a time. Not impressed = I have no idea.

]]> By: Mazoola http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779556 Mazoola Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779556 I have to agree… with you both. With the video being B&W, I can't tell if it's all rainbow colored or has embedded sparkles or bugle beads, but 11 hours is an awful lot for what is in effect just the outline of the tattoo-that-is-yet-to-come. Roughly a score of years ago, the inimitable Schmoe Dawg knocked <a href="http://paladesigns.com/maz_tatt_foto.jpg>this</a> out in a single five-hour session. (I flew back to the East Coast 12 hours later, but when I was next in SF again, 45 minutes of touch-up finished the work.) A much smaller footprint, true, but probably not incomparable in terms of square mm of pigmented skin. On the other hand, the last hour of that five consisted largely of five-minute periods of Schmoe inking interspersed with five-minute periods of my lying face down with a cold compress on my back while we waited for the uncontrollable twitching to stop. When the twitch-to-ink ratio reached 10:5, we had to call it a day. Given <a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/twopt.html">how sensory nerves are wired in the skin of one's back</a>, I suspect the violent twitch factor is more likely a function of overall footprint than amount of pigmented skin — and I suspect it would be far too un-Ninja to have left in footage of the tattoo's recipient huddled in a fetal position. Years later, I was at a diner with some friends when the guy seated beside me suddenly said, "Hey! I know what you have on your back!" Turns out he'd been at the shop that night; at the time he was still learning the trade, and he kept the stations and equipment cleaned and prepped in exchange for guidance and a place to work. At the time, he kept commenting on how quickly Shmoe was working; now, after a decade of tattooing and with his own shop, he was still amazed. "I couldn't do it in twice the time," he said. "I would've booked three, maybe four, sessions for that job." I have to agree… with you both.

With the video being B&W, I can’t tell if it’s all rainbow colored or has embedded sparkles or bugle beads, but 11 hours is an awful lot for what is in effect just the outline of the tattoo-that-is-yet-to-come. Roughly a score of years ago, the inimitable Schmoe Dawg knocked how sensory nerves are wired in the skin of one’s back, I suspect the violent twitch factor is more likely a function of overall footprint than amount of pigmented skin — and I suspect it would be far too un-Ninja to have left in footage of the tattoo’s recipient huddled in a fetal position.

Years later, I was at a diner with some friends when the guy seated beside me suddenly said, “Hey! I know what you have on your back!” Turns out he’d been at the shop that night; at the time he was still learning the trade, and he kept the stations and equipment cleaned and prepped in exchange for guidance and a place to work. At the time, he kept commenting on how quickly Shmoe was working; now, after a decade of tattooing and with his own shop, he was still amazed. “I couldn’t do it in twice the time,” he said. “I would’ve booked three, maybe four, sessions for that job.”

]]> By: theawesomerobot http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779302 theawesomerobot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779302 Clever, but it's not a real tattoo (if anyone was wondering) Clever, but it’s not a real tattoo (if anyone was wondering)

]]> By: theawesomerobot http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779559 theawesomerobot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779559 I can't believe you guys are actually debating the logistics of this tattoo. I can’t believe you guys are actually debating the logistics of this tattoo.

]]> By: scifijazznik http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779563 scifijazznik Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779563 You either need to take your sense of humor in for a tune-up or, I don't know, maybe click the link... You either need to take your sense of humor in for a tune-up or, I don’t know, maybe click the link…

]]> By: takeshi http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779821 takeshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779821 Really? Somehow I doubt they didn't get paid for their Coachella appearance, particularly since they were the most anticipated act there. They're going to be gazillionaires before it's all said and done. I have a lot of respect for Die Antwoord, but it would be silly to assume they're not in it for the money. Their music, edited for content, is radio-friendly. It's not like they're making unmarketable music. Really? Somehow I doubt they didn’t get paid for their Coachella appearance, particularly since they were the most anticipated act there.

They’re going to be gazillionaires before it’s all said and done. I have a lot of respect for Die Antwoord, but it would be silly to assume they’re not in it for the money. Their music, edited for content, is radio-friendly. It’s not like they’re making unmarketable music.

]]> By: lewis stoole http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779567 lewis stoole Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779567 i feel like i just watched rocky balboa lace up before the big fight! enter the ninja! (a golan-globus production) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TWn5tPZ0MM i feel like i just watched rocky balboa lace up before the big fight!

enter the ninja!
(a golan-globus production)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TWn5tPZ0MM

]]> By: Teller http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779313 Teller Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779313 Black Star beer did that 15 years ago. Best cowboy tattoo won a Harley. That's Montana for you. Black Star beer did that 15 years ago. Best cowboy tattoo won a Harley. That’s Montana for you.

]]> By: The Lizardman http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779570 The Lizardman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779570 speed varies greatly by artist - my current artist does areas in 2-4 hours that took my old artist over 6. Also, doing large areas of solid color well (especially black) requires working slower than typical shading - needle group plays a role, packing in solid black is not typically done with the larger groups that make doing big areas of shaded color go faster in order to give a more consistent tone. 11 hours seems long but not beyond believable, I give him credit as that matches my longest single session. speed varies greatly by artist – my current artist does areas in 2-4 hours that took my old artist over 6. Also, doing large areas of solid color well (especially black) requires working slower than typical shading – needle group plays a role, packing in solid black is not typically done with the larger groups that make doing big areas of shaded color go faster in order to give a more consistent tone. 11 hours seems long but not beyond believable, I give him credit as that matches my longest single session.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779315 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779315 Yes, it's real. Yes, it’s real.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779577 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779577 For Ninja just to spend 11 hours and tattoo his entire back to sell records... I'm sold! For Ninja just to spend 11 hours and tattoo his entire back to sell records… I’m sold!

]]> By: scifijazznik http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779325 scifijazznik Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779325 <A HREF="http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/10/mr-cool-ice-2.jpg">Not Impressed</A> Not Impressed

]]> By: valdis http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779839 valdis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779839 @takeshi: What Marcel said was "actually haven't made a single dime sofar selling their music". They've made money in the music business, yes - but they got paid for appearances, t-shirts, etc etc. They simply haven't made any money in the "You give me $$, I give you a copy of the music" part of the business. But then, a *lot* of big-name bands have been selling out stadiums for years while actually losing money to their labels selling their music due to the way the labels do business. @takeshi: What Marcel said was “actually haven’t made a single dime sofar selling their music”. They’ve made money in the music business, yes – but they got paid for appearances, t-shirts, etc etc. They simply haven’t made any money in the “You give me $$, I give you a copy of the music” part of the business.

But then, a *lot* of big-name bands have been selling out stadiums for years while actually losing money to their labels selling their music due to the way the labels do business.

]]> By: NeedlesandSins http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-780612 NeedlesandSins Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-780612 Why not discuss it? Someone brought it up and the whole video is about the tattoo. I'd love to know who the artist is. [Tattooists rarely get credit in any media even if their work is the centerpiece.] Also, I agree with those who say that 11 hours is possible for this work, particularly if you count design, stencil and that old school method tattooing the design. And yes, I've seen people do straight sessions that could go 11 hours +. It's rare and it's not pretty but possible. Why not discuss it? Someone brought it up and the whole video is about the tattoo.

I’d love to know who the artist is. [Tattooists rarely get credit in any media even if their work is the centerpiece.]

Also, I agree with those who say that 11 hours is possible for this work, particularly if you count design, stencil and that old school method tattooing the design.

And yes, I’ve seen people do straight sessions that could go 11 hours +. It’s rare and it’s not pretty but possible.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779845 Spud Spudly Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779845 Hello? The tattoo is WRONG! He presumably wanted one that matched the album art but it DOESN'T. The yin yang symbol is backwards. Major ink fail that he'll live with for a long time. Hello? The tattoo is WRONG! He presumably wanted one that matched the album art but it DOESN’T. The yin yang symbol is backwards. Major ink fail that he’ll live with for a long time.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779605 Spud Spudly Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779605 Look at the completed tattoo in the last few seconds of the video and compare it carefully to the image shown on the screen right after. It's not the same. Look at the completed tattoo in the last few seconds of the video and compare it carefully to the image shown on the screen right after. It’s not the same.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779350 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779350 I don't think you wanna know what the translation to those lines at the bottom at the end are... I don’t think you wanna know what the translation to those lines at the bottom at the end are…

]]> By: pAULbOWEN http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779358 pAULbOWEN Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779358 4REAL, as someone once bled. I don't care if the next album is called Street Map Of Central Dundee and when it comes out he gets a street map of central Dundee tatooed on his face, the fact is they're as bogus as The Darkness, or Goldie Lookin Chain, but not as much fun as either. 4REAL, as someone once bled. I don’t care if the next album is called Street Map Of Central Dundee and when it comes out he gets a street map of central Dundee tatooed on his face, the fact is they’re as bogus as The Darkness, or Goldie Lookin Chain, but not as much fun as either.

]]> By: The Lizardman http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779880 The Lizardman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779880 The 'backwards' yin yang likely occurred as part of the stencil transfer process (mirroring the image) and does not significantly alter the content so I doubt it will bother him especially since he will only see it in a mirror The ‘backwards’ yin yang likely occurred as part of the stencil transfer process (mirroring the image) and does not significantly alter the content so I doubt it will bother him especially since he will only see it in a mirror

]]> By: takeshi http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-780659 takeshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-780659 As a touring musician, I would contend that making money for gigs is the same as making money selling your music. You're just selling it live, and for a limited time. Not to mention that almost all musical acts make more from touring than record sales. As a touring musician, I would contend that making money for gigs is the same as making money selling your music. You’re just selling it live, and for a limited time.

Not to mention that almost all musical acts make more from touring than record sales.

]]> By: theawesomerobot http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779383 theawesomerobot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779383 Don't get me wrong, these guys are fun - I just don't get the point in pretending you really buy into the act all the time. I'm more interested in the man behind the curtain. Don’t get me wrong, these guys are fun – I just don’t get the point in pretending you really buy into the act all the time. I’m more interested in the man behind the curtain.

]]> By: entropy http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-784790 entropy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-784790 I sapose i missed my chance to reply to comment made on my comment but i'll toss it up here anyways. Antinous I'm not sure how comfortable I am posting pictures of my work on boing boing but i'm five foot six, average build, and have a back piece which consist of a large japanese type figure with large solid black pieces making up the background. It covers one half to two thirds of my back, with more then 50% of that area recieving ink. IMHO it is about the same area of actual ink and has alot more detail, color change, ect. I sat for five hours total for that piece. I've sat for maybe forty hours total for all my work. I've worked in several tattoo shops for several years in the past and have seen several hundreds if not thousands of tattoos, and more then several dozen full back pieces. Large black work is some of the quickest stuff i've ever seen done by the people i've worked around. FYI almost all of them hated doing it, it's boring work. In response to some of the other comments about his use of an alternative type of equipment, "prison style", that is a possiblity i failed to imagine. It is also one that seems to make the most sense. I should have noticed that there was no gun in the video but i just thought it was made up of shots with the artist wiping away blood and ink. I do understand that different artist work at different speeds, i have work from a half dozen plus and have worked with dozens of different artist. I now, after reading the comment made relating to this post, would have to say that it seems to me the tools used are what made it take as long as it did. I still think that any artist who has gotten some time doing the big "tribal" or other types of large black pieces could bang this out in well done fashion in five, six hours max. With a needle and a bag of ink? I have no idea, kudos to the artist and the client for going that route, shows a certain dedication to the art, respect. I sapose i missed my chance to reply to comment made on my comment but i’ll toss it up here anyways. Antinous I’m not sure how comfortable I am posting pictures of my work on boing boing but i’m five foot six, average build, and have a back piece which consist of a large japanese type figure with large solid black pieces making up the background. It covers one half to two thirds of my back, with more then 50% of that area recieving ink. IMHO it is about the same area of actual ink and has alot more detail, color change, ect. I sat for five hours total for that piece. I’ve sat for maybe forty hours total for all my work. I’ve worked in several tattoo shops for several years in the past and have seen several hundreds if not thousands of tattoos, and more then several dozen full back pieces. Large black work is some of the quickest stuff i’ve ever seen done by the people i’ve worked around. FYI almost all of them hated doing it, it’s boring work.
In response to some of the other comments about his use of an alternative type of equipment, “prison style”, that is a possiblity i failed to imagine. It is also one that seems to make the most sense. I should have noticed that there was no gun in the video but i just thought it was made up of shots with the artist wiping away blood and ink.
I do understand that different artist work at different speeds, i have work from a half dozen plus and have worked with dozens of different artist. I now, after reading the comment made relating to this post, would have to say that it seems to me the tools used are what made it take as long as it did. I still think that any artist who has gotten some time doing the big “tribal” or other types of large black pieces could bang this out in well done fashion in five, six hours max. With a needle and a bag of ink? I have no idea, kudos to the artist and the client for going that route, shows a certain dedication to the art, respect.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779415 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779415 Easy haters! Is KISS real? Is the Streets real? Do you think Tiny Tim's persona is real? Any aspect of artistic self-creation going on with Rennie Sparks? Think tEENAGER cASE is not bogus? Stuff your phoney-hatin quest for 'authenticity' back up your *ss with the copy of Catcher in the Rye you cribbed it from. Why don't you talk about the art instead of the artist? Our whole society is fucking obsessed with 'process stories' instead of discussing substance. Also, I don't give a shit if you are impressed or not scifijizznik. Easy haters! Is KISS real? Is the Streets real? Do you think Tiny Tim’s persona is real? Any aspect of artistic self-creation going on with Rennie Sparks? Think tEENAGER cASE is not bogus? Stuff your phoney-hatin quest for ‘authenticity’ back up your *ss with the copy of Catcher in the Rye you cribbed it from. Why don’t you talk about the art instead of the artist? Our whole society is fucking obsessed with ‘process stories’ instead of discussing substance.

Also, I don’t give a shit if you are impressed or not scifijizznik.

]]> By: MichaelRN http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779421 MichaelRN Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779421 If Die Antwoord is anything like any of Waddy's previous projects, he'll get bored and move on to something new within a year or so. Don't get me wrong, I really like Die Antwoord, but I'm even more impressed with MaxNormal.TV's <i>Good Morning South Africa</i> (2008) and The Constructus Corporation's <i>The Ziggurat</i> (2002). A lot of the material from Die Antwoord's new album is actually recycled from these two projects. After delving into their back-catalog, I find myself playing <i>Tik Tik Tik</i> and <i>Jellyfish</i> a whole lot more frequently than <i>Enter the Ninja</i> or <i>Wat Pomp</i>. If Die Antwoord is anything like any of Waddy’s previous projects, he’ll get bored and move on to something new within a year or so. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Die Antwoord, but I’m even more impressed with MaxNormal.TV’s Good Morning South Africa (2008) and The Constructus Corporation’s The Ziggurat (2002). A lot of the material from Die Antwoord’s new album is actually recycled from these two projects. After delving into their back-catalog, I find myself playing Tik Tik Tik and Jellyfish a whole lot more frequently than Enter the Ninja or Wat Pomp.

]]> By: LeSinge http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779430 LeSinge Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779430 @theawesomerobot, I agree to an extent, but it's still kind of fun if you're in on it. And the music's good enough that I don't really care. Wait, the Darkness is fake? It's kind of an homage and over-the-top but they weren't like, characters or anything where they? @theawesomerobot, I agree to an extent, but it’s still kind of fun if you’re in on it. And the music’s good enough that I don’t really care.
Wait, the Darkness is fake? It’s kind of an homage and over-the-top but they weren’t like, characters or anything where they?

]]> By: MichaelRN http://boingboing.net/2010/05/05/die-antwoord-whoah-t.html#comment-779433 MichaelRN Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-779433 One more thing: All of the tracks on Die Antwoord's site are streaming with all the vocals stripped out. Instrumental tracks only. Remixers, get in here, now! One more thing: All of the tracks on Die Antwoord’s site are streaming with all the vocals stripped out. Instrumental tracks only. Remixers, get in here, now!

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