The market isn’t “the meeting of buyers and sellers”, that’s a very sophomoric definition.

are you kidding?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/market

I purchase every game/DVD/music/software I enjoy for that very reason. Haven’t pirated anything since I was an undergrad 10+ years ago. I’m just a lot more picky with what I decide to buy.

No excuse for not proof-reading his email though, or for the juvenile response.

This argument will always have various sides – Chartier’s response doesn’t support any of them.

The laws may be bad. However, even if the laws were made “reasonable”, reasonable would not include free, unlimited distribution on Bitorrent of any digital content created.

It is up the the IP owner to determine how they want to sell their product. If you feel the price is too high, you are free not to buy a copy. It is not acceptable to download a permanent copy for $0. There’s no reasonable justification for that.

Ferrari Manufactures cars and sells those. there is of course inherent cost in each copy.
What is the cost aside from bandwidth in copying bits. Not zero but infintesimal. The cost is the $18.99 retail value of the DVD.

it’s refreshing to hear a more middle of the road argument for once

Thank you, holtt! I’m gobsmacked by some of the comments, which seem driven more by anger than logic. Ah well.

Actually, you’ve made it pretty clear that you’re incapable of doing so. Do you read your own comments?

Seriously though… if I go pay to see one of the movies made by this jackass and I don’t think it was worth the money I paid will he give me my money back? Will he do this for every person who thought his movie wasn’t worth the money they paid to see it with?

If he doesn’t reimburse every single person who saw his movie can he be sued for fraud because the marketing oversold the quality of the product?

Can I sue because he hasn’t created an accessible channel by which I can reclaim what he defrauded me of?

Can I also sue him for my time wasted? I can’t get that time back. He stole that from me just like he stole my $12 to see his movie that I didn’t like.

That’s exactly how much he deserves for making this ridiculous piece of garbage. That and the plot make me pissed I paid a dollar to rent it.

I have chosen homelessness and unemployment.

Better crowd.

Back to the car analogy (because it seemed that no one got it right as the internet is not a truck), imagine if the dealership didn’t lock it’s door, produced easily reproducible cars that could be cloned simply by double clicking with a mouse and then whined about how horrible their business is doing because people keep copying what was once theirs. Obviously in the real world dealerships lock their doors, they don’t produce a product that can be easily reproduced with a computer mouse and don’t whine about their business because they’re sleeping on a pile of money. If film producers are worried about piracy they need to stop using distribution channels that can be cracked. Of course, the next complaint is about DRM, and how no one wants it, but remember it’s 100% their choice to add DRM or not, and if they choose not to DRM their media (which would in many cases make the media unplayable to paying customers) I feel like the complaints about pirates are futile. It’s like fighting fire with gasoline, “don’t copy this easily reproducible 700MB file that takes 10 minutes to copy…or else”. Or else what? You’re going to sue 1/100000th of the people who committed the crime? And maybe 1 person associated with getting it there in the first place? I’m shaking in my mom’s basement.

Copies of movies are made out of ones and zeros. These ones and zeros are completely unlimited. (I mean, damn near unlimited, technically)

Seems like a pretty big difference to me.

Why do we, as a society, have property in the first place? Because we can’t both use that car or the house at the same time, and we’ve got to find a way to allocate those *scarce* resources. So, individuals have property over houses and cars. But, we can all, say, breathe at the same time, so we don’t have property over the air. Same with oceans: we can all fish at the same time, so we don’t have property over fish (but this is problematic when we all overfish, or when someone spills a bajillion barrels of oil). And, same with information, since it is not scarce: We can all have a copy of the movie and it doesn’t disturb anyone else’s quiet enjoyment of that movie.

B/c what he says now days gets posted on youtube/the internet?

intellectual property =/= property
copyright infringement =/= theft

Just because copyright infringement and theft are both against the law doesn’t make them the same thing.

So keep it really small and bill the downloaders of the content with punitive damages to the torrent uploader.

No Lawyers allowed, No Middlemen so paramount gets 100% if the 18.99. Essentially decriminalize data sharing but if caught you have to pay fair market for what you got.

No, torrents are not, and should not be, illegal. BitTorrent is a technology for peer-to-peer file sharing, nothing more. It has many legitimate uses, including content distribution for WoW, and for distributions of large files, such as releases of Linux operating systems.

Back in the day, people used to share pirated software by physically exchanging floppy disks, but floppy disks were not exclusively used for piracy. Similarly, BitTorrent is just another way of moving data.

You should have said that before i watched that overrated piece of crap because i am dumb. You should have put a disclaimer or something. Also I’m glad you’re a moron who believes that torrenting is stealing. And i am extremely glad that thepiratebay makes sweet love to you with retractable batons. You deserve it.

BTW i want my money back.

K thanks bye.

I guess that’s why I’m not a millionaire like this guy.