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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803347</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this will not be a popular opinion on boingboing, but tube sites like redtube depend on stolen videos and the &quot;user submitted&quot; loophole in the DMCA for their business model, and the whole porn industry which employs hundreds of thousands of people in this country is suffering hugely because of the stolen content model of the tubes, which are all run by some of the shadiest business owners on the planet. 

One of the biggest tube owners, the owner of redtube in fact, if I remember correctly, is under multiple investigations for money laundering, as an example.

Thousands of mom-and-pop porn sites are being driven out of business by the tubes, because it&#039;s too expensive to constantly chase the tubes with takedown requests, when tube employees with dummy &quot;user&quot; accounts immediately reupload the stolen content.

All of you hoighty toity netkultur types may believe that when a person gets naked and gets banged on camera to try to make a living you have a god-given right to steal that infinitely-reproducible piece of created work, but you are still stealing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this will not be a popular opinion on boingboing, but tube sites like redtube depend on stolen videos and the &#8220;user submitted&#8221; loophole in the DMCA for their business model, and the whole porn industry which employs hundreds of thousands of people in this country is suffering hugely because of the stolen content model of the tubes, which are all run by some of the shadiest business owners on the planet. </p>
<p>One of the biggest tube owners, the owner of redtube in fact, if I remember correctly, is under multiple investigations for money laundering, as an example.</p>
<p>Thousands of mom-and-pop porn sites are being driven out of business by the tubes, because it&#8217;s too expensive to constantly chase the tubes with takedown requests, when tube employees with dummy &#8220;user&#8221; accounts immediately reupload the stolen content.</p>
<p>All of you hoighty toity netkultur types may believe that when a person gets naked and gets banged on camera to try to make a living you have a god-given right to steal that infinitely-reproducible piece of created work, but you are still stealing it.</p>
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		<title>By: ink</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803627</link>
		<dc:creator>ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Utah, and you&#039;re spot-on.  Pretty much anything more risquÃ© than Cinemax is illegal to sell in a brick-and-mortar store.  All those dollars are diverted to online resources -- and Utah sees no sales tax as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Utah, and you&#8217;re spot-on.  Pretty much anything more risquÃ© than Cinemax is illegal to sell in a brick-and-mortar store.  All those dollars are diverted to online resources &#8212; and Utah sees no sales tax as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the characterization of Utah as rural or technologically backwards is also a common misconception.  The University of Utah was one of the four founding hubs of ARPAnet, the predecessor to the internet, and Utah has one of the highest percentages (by household) of internet use/access.

I remember when I was in highschool in the early to mid nineties, the national guard laid cabling for all the high schools in the area to insure we had the highest speed of internet connection then available (and no, I was not in what one could call an even REMOTELY rich district).

I moved to tacoma in 2005 to teach high school and was quite shocked at how limited the online technology and availability was in schools here.  We are just now, in 2010, getting to the point my poor Utah high school was at 15 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the characterization of Utah as rural or technologically backwards is also a common misconception.  The University of Utah was one of the four founding hubs of ARPAnet, the predecessor to the internet, and Utah has one of the highest percentages (by household) of internet use/access.</p>
<p>I remember when I was in highschool in the early to mid nineties, the national guard laid cabling for all the high schools in the area to insure we had the highest speed of internet connection then available (and no, I was not in what one could call an even REMOTELY rich district).</p>
<p>I moved to tacoma in 2005 to teach high school and was quite shocked at how limited the online technology and availability was in schools here.  We are just now, in 2010, getting to the point my poor Utah high school was at 15 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803634</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meant to include (yet another) infographic to support my point on that last post.

Broadband coverage by state: http://coronainsights.com/2008/09/who-uses-the-internet-part-1-state-by-state/

Note Utah falls into the top five in multiple categories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant to include (yet another) infographic to support my point on that last post.</p>
<p>Broadband coverage by state: <a href="http://coronainsights.com/2008/09/who-uses-the-internet-part-1-state-by-state/" rel="nofollow">http://coronainsights.com/2008/09/who-uses-the-internet-part-1-state-by-state/</a></p>
<p>Note Utah falls into the top five in multiple categories.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803130</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say nothing of the selection problem. The statistic referenced broadband internet subscribers. If broadband penetration (heh) is lower in Utah than average, one might naturally expect that those willing to pay for broadband are - ahem - heavy users of certain types of online video. 

So, I suspect it&#039;s not that falks from Utah are a particularly horny lot, it&#039;s that they have lower overall broadband coverage and that partakers of paid porn are disproportionately represented among the broadband users. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say nothing of the selection problem. The statistic referenced broadband internet subscribers. If broadband penetration (heh) is lower in Utah than average, one might naturally expect that those willing to pay for broadband are &#8211; ahem &#8211; heavy users of certain types of online video. </p>
<p>So, I suspect it&#8217;s not that falks from Utah are a particularly horny lot, it&#8217;s that they have lower overall broadband coverage and that partakers of paid porn are disproportionately represented among the broadband users. </p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803132</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are interesting things we can infer from these statistics. For example, if 70% of men aged 18-24 view porn in a typical month, we then know that 29.9% of men aged 18-24 are liars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are interesting things we can infer from these statistics. For example, if 70% of men aged 18-24 view porn in a typical month, we then know that 29.9% of men aged 18-24 are liars.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803646</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ok: I was making the point that the author, Maggie, wrote &quot;Heh, dirty Mormons&quot; which is a fairly typical jab at Utah. It get&#039;s tiresome.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m sure it does, but a 60% majority is more than most stereotypes are based on. For example, less than 37 percent of voters in Massachusetts are registered Democrats and probably even a smaller percentage of Hawaiian people know how to surf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>ok: I was making the point that the author, Maggie, wrote &#8220;Heh, dirty Mormons&#8221; which is a fairly typical jab at Utah. It get&#8217;s tiresome.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it does, but a 60% majority is more than most stereotypes are based on. For example, less than 37 percent of voters in Massachusetts are registered Democrats and probably even a smaller percentage of Hawaiian people know how to surf.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803137</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point Maggie.  We have the &#039;data&#039;, but what does the data or lack-of-data say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point Maggie.  We have the &#8216;data&#8217;, but what does the data or lack-of-data say?</p>
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		<title>By: robulus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803397</link>
		<dc:creator>robulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;forcing non-Mormons to resort to the internet for their wanking&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You say that like its a &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;forcing non-Mormons to resort to the internet for their wanking&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You say that like its a <i>bad</i> thing.</p>
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		<title>By: halfsmart</title>
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		<description>or, for example, physical porn (eg magazines and DVDs) could be less available in Utah, forcing non-Mormons to resort to the internet for their wanking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or, for example, physical porn (eg magazines and DVDs) could be less available in Utah, forcing non-Mormons to resort to the internet for their wanking.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803145</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are those stats world-wide, or what the average &#039;Mercan thinks is the world (that is, the USA)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are those stats world-wide, or what the average &#8216;Mercan thinks is the world (that is, the USA)?</p>
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		<title>By: DarthVain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803149</link>
		<dc:creator>DarthVain</dc:creator>
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		<description>Its the classic cause VS causality argument.

Too many times people that use statistics jump to conclusions (many times convenient, or to prove whatever they want to prove) as to what the numbers actually mean in reality. 

Freakanomics is a good book that shows this principle. Statistics is not simple, and usually cannot stand alone, and has to be taken in context of all reasonable factors.

Many medical &quot;facts&quot; scare me a bit as someone does some random study, and then based on that they make some grandiose determination. It might be reasonable, or even true, however there are proper ways to use statistics and eliminate possible error. In many instances I don&#039;t think this is done, as it takes additional work, and doesn&#039;t make the headline any better. 

Usually it is a number of factors that determine anything, but it is way sexier to say that they found that People that do X have a 20% higher chance to get Y.

That doesn&#039;t mean X causes Y, it is only an empirical observation, they then jump to the conclusion that it does. It could be that the People that do X have less money, and as a result, eat less healthy, or have more stressful jobs, etc...(any number of related factors) and thus are more susceptible to Y, but it certainly doesn&#039;t mean in any science type way that X is at the cause of Y in any kind of definitive manner.

Trying to explain this to people over and over again can be frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the classic cause VS causality argument.</p>
<p>Too many times people that use statistics jump to conclusions (many times convenient, or to prove whatever they want to prove) as to what the numbers actually mean in reality. </p>
<p>Freakanomics is a good book that shows this principle. Statistics is not simple, and usually cannot stand alone, and has to be taken in context of all reasonable factors.</p>
<p>Many medical &#8220;facts&#8221; scare me a bit as someone does some random study, and then based on that they make some grandiose determination. It might be reasonable, or even true, however there are proper ways to use statistics and eliminate possible error. In many instances I don&#8217;t think this is done, as it takes additional work, and doesn&#8217;t make the headline any better. </p>
<p>Usually it is a number of factors that determine anything, but it is way sexier to say that they found that People that do X have a 20% higher chance to get Y.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean X causes Y, it is only an empirical observation, they then jump to the conclusion that it does. It could be that the People that do X have less money, and as a result, eat less healthy, or have more stressful jobs, etc&#8230;(any number of related factors) and thus are more susceptible to Y, but it certainly doesn&#8217;t mean in any science type way that X is at the cause of Y in any kind of definitive manner.</p>
<p>Trying to explain this to people over and over again can be frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordguy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803150</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The average porn site visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds.&quot; Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The average porn site visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds.&#8221; Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: LostCatSoda</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803152</link>
		<dc:creator>LostCatSoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Utah isn&#039;t 100% Mormon - a pretty common misconception.  It has been steadily dropping and is roughly 60% now.  Not that there are pockets of vastly higher and lower percents. 

In Provo, where BYU is, you can go into a chain restaurant (like PF Chang&#039;s) and order a bottle of wine.  Right there at your table.  In front of everyone.  Things be a changin&#039;. 

So maybe it&#039;s all the non-Mormon&#039;s who are whoopping up the internets with fleshy bits. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Utah isn&#8217;t 100% Mormon &#8211; a pretty common misconception.  It has been steadily dropping and is roughly 60% now.  Not that there are pockets of vastly higher and lower percents. </p>
<p>In Provo, where BYU is, you can go into a chain restaurant (like PF Chang&#8217;s) and order a bottle of wine.  Right there at your table.  In front of everyone.  Things be a changin&#8217;. </p>
<p>So maybe it&#8217;s all the non-Mormon&#8217;s who are whoopping up the internets with fleshy bits. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Not quite sure when adult dating became considered pornography either. Better not look at e.harmony again or any other such site again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite sure when adult dating became considered pornography either. Better not look at e.harmony again or any other such site again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re interested, I believe that the statistics cherry-picked for the Utah &quot;factoid&quot; are from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf&quot;&gt;this paper&lt;/a&gt;.  Page 217 has the table showing the various broadband porn subscriptions by state.  Haven&#039;t read through it much but by their methodology Utah and Alaska have the highest porn to broadband access ratio while Montana and Idaho have the lowest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re interested, I believe that the statistics cherry-picked for the Utah &#8220;factoid&#8221; are from <a href="http://www.people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf">this paper</a>.  Page 217 has the table showing the various broadband porn subscriptions by state.  Haven&#8217;t read through it much but by their methodology Utah and Alaska have the highest porn to broadband access ratio while Montana and Idaho have the lowest.</p>
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		<title>By: capl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. All of your posts are great!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. All of your posts are great!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;People who are so clean-cut and law-abiding that they don&#039;t even feel comfortable illegally downloading their porn.&quot;

Or they could be so backwards they don&#039;t realize that porn is available freely inasmuch as water is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People who are so clean-cut and law-abiding that they don&#8217;t even feel comfortable illegally downloading their porn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or they could be so backwards they don&#8217;t realize that porn is available freely inasmuch as water is.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;... Utah isn&#039;t 100% Mormon - a pretty common misconception.&lt;/em&gt;

Really? I&#039;ve never met anyone who thought that every single resident of Utah was Mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230; Utah isn&#8217;t 100% Mormon &#8211; a pretty common misconception.</em></p>
<p>Really? I&#8217;ve never met anyone who thought that every single resident of Utah was Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: matt blank</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt blank</dc:creator>
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		<description>I can assure you that porn is virtually inaccessible in a non-online medium here in Utah. Of course there are places to get it. Just very very few of them. Just like full strength alcohol. Those of us who seek it out know where to get it easily. Those who do not routinely seek it out must use other more accessible methods, aka the internet. Trust me - if you could order alcohol online in a similar fashion (instant, private delivery) Utah would probably have the highest subscription rate for that too. I know I would sign up. I don&#039;t like giving the socialist State Liquor Store my money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can assure you that porn is virtually inaccessible in a non-online medium here in Utah. Of course there are places to get it. Just very very few of them. Just like full strength alcohol. Those of us who seek it out know where to get it easily. Those who do not routinely seek it out must use other more accessible methods, aka the internet. Trust me &#8211; if you could order alcohol online in a similar fashion (instant, private delivery) Utah would probably have the highest subscription rate for that too. I know I would sign up. I don&#8217;t like giving the socialist State Liquor Store my money.</p>
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		<title>By: matt blank</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt blank</dc:creator>
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		<description>Most people don&#039;t think every single one of us are Mormons. But it gets irritating when people ask you where you&#039;re from it comes out &quot;Utah And I&#039;m Not A Mormon&quot; as if that was the name of the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people don&#8217;t think every single one of us are Mormons. But it gets irritating when people ask you where you&#8217;re from it comes out &#8220;Utah And I&#8217;m Not A Mormon&#8221; as if that was the name of the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>In statistics we were always taught that you needed to see the source data, know where it came from, and only then can you understand the results and know the meaning of the findings.  Without that information you know squat. This is doubly true when it comes to subjective questioning like you&#039;ll find in polls.  How was the question worded and was it asked in different ways to eliminate as much bias as possible?  Because of my background I know that statistics can truthfully lie for you.

Oh, and the other commentator is dead on with the fact that causality can not be proven by a relationship in the data.  We all know that more babies in Britain are born in the spring and that storks migrate there in the spring, but this does not mean that storks are the cause of more babies.  (They actually come from cabbage leaves...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In statistics we were always taught that you needed to see the source data, know where it came from, and only then can you understand the results and know the meaning of the findings.  Without that information you know squat. This is doubly true when it comes to subjective questioning like you&#8217;ll find in polls.  How was the question worded and was it asked in different ways to eliminate as much bias as possible?  Because of my background I know that statistics can truthfully lie for you.</p>
<p>Oh, and the other commentator is dead on with the fact that causality can not be proven by a relationship in the data.  We all know that more babies in Britain are born in the spring and that storks migrate there in the spring, but this does not mean that storks are the cause of more babies.  (They actually come from cabbage leaves&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: phlavor</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A king calls in a Mathematician, an Accountant, and a Statistician. He tells them, &quot;I have a problem for you to solve. What is two plus two? Come back tomorrow with your answers.

The next day they all come back and the king asks the Mathematician what his answer is and he says, &quot;I worked out the problem in several different ways and I always got the same answer. Four. I&#039;m absolutely certain of this.&quot; The Statistician chimes in, &quot;Your Majesty, I also got four, but I think I could get it down to three.&quot; The King turns to the Statistician and says &quot;Well? What is your answer?&quot; The Statistician replies, &quot;I dunno... What do you want to hear?&quot;

Joke courtesy of my college Statistics teacher. The only math class I ever enjoyed.</description>
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<p>The next day they all come back and the king asks the Mathematician what his answer is and he says, &#8220;I worked out the problem in several different ways and I always got the same answer. Four. I&#8217;m absolutely certain of this.&#8221; The Statistician chimes in, &#8220;Your Majesty, I also got four, but I think I could get it down to three.&#8221; The King turns to the Statistician and says &#8220;Well? What is your answer?&#8221; The Statistician replies, &#8220;I dunno&#8230; What do you want to hear?&#8221;</p>
<p>Joke courtesy of my college Statistics teacher. The only math class I ever enjoyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stats don&#039;t really make sense anyway.  Other stats you can derive from the infographic: 

If 28258 people view porn each second and there are 24644172 porn sites then on average each porn site gets 99 visits a day.  Seems way too low to make any money.  What % of those 99 porn viewers are paying each day?

If the global internet porn revenues are $4.9 billion (I&#039;ve seen estimates much lower) and there are 24664172 sites that means on average a site makes about $198 per year.  Again seems low.

I&#039;m guessing the most out of whack stat is the number of porn sites.  24 million is way too high.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stats don&#8217;t really make sense anyway.  Other stats you can derive from the infographic: </p>
<p>If 28258 people view porn each second and there are 24644172 porn sites then on average each porn site gets 99 visits a day.  Seems way too low to make any money.  What % of those 99 porn viewers are paying each day?</p>
<p>If the global internet porn revenues are $4.9 billion (I&#8217;ve seen estimates much lower) and there are 24664172 sites that means on average a site makes about $198 per year.  Again seems low.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing the most out of whack stat is the number of porn sites.  24 million is way too high.</p>
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		<title>By: Suburbancowboy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803197</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post #14 makes a great point. The article points out many of the possible factors for statistics to not be maningful, but this key social factor (lack of access offline) is a huge one.
another factor that must be considered is the number of people with broadband in Utah. If that number is very small, then your sample size is very small as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post #14 makes a great point. The article points out many of the possible factors for statistics to not be maningful, but this key social factor (lack of access offline) is a huge one.<br />
another factor that must be considered is the number of people with broadband in Utah. If that number is very small, then your sample size is very small as well.</p>
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		<title>By: venicerocco</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the diagram of a baby really necessary? Or is the baby supposed to be doing the searching? I mean, what would be the appropriate image to illustrate &quot;rape&quot; searches? Or &quot;bestiality&quot; I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the diagram of a baby really necessary? Or is the baby supposed to be doing the searching? I mean, what would be the appropriate image to illustrate &#8220;rape&#8221; searches? Or &#8220;bestiality&#8221; I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: techdeviant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803203</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have access to an incredible amount of statistics for a very large group of porn sites. I can say at least our stats do not match up very well at all to this graphic. I am pretty sure that 1 in 3 users on our sites are not women. 

This does make me want to update our bland reports to look like this though. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have access to an incredible amount of statistics for a very large group of porn sites. I can say at least our stats do not match up very well at all to this graphic. I am pretty sure that 1 in 3 users on our sites are not women. </p>
<p>This does make me want to update our bland reports to look like this though. </p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am pretty sure that 1 in 3 users on our sites are not women.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So 2 out of 3 users &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; women? That&#039;s a lot of randy ladies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am pretty sure that 1 in 3 users on our sites are not women.</p></blockquote>
<p>So 2 out of 3 users <em>are</em> women? That&#8217;s a lot of randy ladies!</p>
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		<title>By: failix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803467</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh this is just pure comedy gold!

Btw, it&#039;s copyright infringement, not theft.</description>
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<p>Btw, it&#8217;s copyright infringement, not theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Tynam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/03/think-critically-whe.html#comment-803213</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a solid non-mathematician&#039;s grounding in critical thinking about news statistics, I&#039;d recommend Paulos&#039;s classic &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Mathematician-Reads-Newspaper-Allen-Paulos/dp/038548254X&quot;&gt;A Mathematician Reads the News&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a solid non-mathematician&#8217;s grounding in critical thinking about news statistics, I&#8217;d recommend Paulos&#8217;s classic <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mathematician-Reads-Newspaper-Allen-Paulos/dp/038548254X">A Mathematician Reads the News</a>.</p>
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