Comments on: BP Oil Spill: Daily Dead Wildlife Tally http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Mon, 20 May 2013 00:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-908289 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-908289 im crying right now and i dont think i'll ever stop im crying right now and i dont think i’ll ever stop

]]> By: NickPheas http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808710 NickPheas Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808710 Does that include the mammals working on the rig when it exploded? Does that include the mammals working on the rig when it exploded?

]]> By: InsertFingerHere http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808716 InsertFingerHere Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808716 I found this widget on PBS.com . Depressing. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/oil-ticker/video.html I found this widget on PBS.com . Depressing.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/oil-ticker/video.html

]]> By: brain_dali http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808717 brain_dali Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808717 please everybody, let's make this link viral. and just to get it off my chest. how the hell is is that we can get monkeys into space and men on the moon but we cant fix this leak? please everybody, let’s make this link viral.

and just to get it off my chest. how the hell is is that we can get monkeys into space and men on the moon but we cant fix this leak?

]]> By: InsertFingerHere http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808719 InsertFingerHere Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808719 I'm blind, it's PBS.org .. silly me. I’m blind, it’s PBS.org .. silly me.

]]> By: jeffv http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808725 jeffv Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808725 Bhopal, immediate human death toll 3,787. Deaths in a week: around 8,000. Total death due to gas: around 15,000-16,000. No of people with injuries and disabilities relating to the gassing: estimated at 100,000 to 200,000. No of bird death: unknown. Number of non-human mammal deaths: unknown, but greater than 2,000. Number of convictions relating to the deaths: 7. Fine paid per conviction: around $2,000. Compensation paid by Union Carbide: $470 million. Amount Union Carbide sold for: $10.3 billion. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster which may contain errors. Bhopal, immediate human death toll 3,787. Deaths in a week: around 8,000. Total death due to gas: around 15,000-16,000. No of people with injuries and disabilities relating to the gassing: estimated at 100,000 to 200,000. No of bird death: unknown. Number of non-human mammal deaths: unknown, but greater than 2,000. Number of convictions relating to the deaths: 7. Fine paid per conviction: around $2,000. Compensation paid by Union Carbide: $470 million. Amount Union Carbide sold for: $10.3 billion.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster which may contain errors.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-810783 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-810783 I'm convinced that many of the dead have been hidden or destroyed by BP. That's why they don't want anybody else around - they might witness the REAL count. I’m convinced that many of the dead have been hidden or destroyed by BP. That’s why they don’t want anybody else around – they might witness the REAL count.

]]> By: inness http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808741 inness Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808741 Over at Huffington Post there's a good article by Ricki Ott (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riki-ott/from-the-ground-bp-censor_b_608724.html?ir=Daily%20Brief), who reports that one reason BP doesn't want media/public scrutiny of the oil spill is because they're currently engaged in destroying evidence in the form of dead animals. It seems they're having they're employees (contract workers, not volunteers or NOAA employees as was done with the Exxon Valdez spill) collect and dispose of animal carcasses, thus interfering with an essential aspect of determining the overall damage of the spill. It just gets uglier and uglier. Over at Huffington Post there’s a good article by Ricki Ott (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riki-ott/from-the-ground-bp-censor_b_608724.html?ir=Daily%20Brief), who reports that one reason BP doesn’t want media/public scrutiny of the oil spill is because they’re currently engaged in destroying evidence in the form of dead animals. It seems they’re having they’re employees (contract workers, not volunteers or NOAA employees as was done with the Exxon Valdez spill) collect and dispose of animal carcasses, thus interfering with an essential aspect of determining the overall damage of the spill.
It just gets uglier and uglier.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-812591 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-812591 For one the whole bp oil spill is bull. You figure the men that were killed on the rig do you realize bp new about gas pockets the whole time and they just ignored it. Now because of them ignoring all of the warning signs none of this shit would've happened. but no bp tries to save more and more money. Animals are my life as the numbers go up and up it pisses me off to see the death toll is a lot higher than it seems For one the whole bp oil spill is bull. You figure the men that were killed on the rig do you realize bp new about gas pockets the whole time and they just ignored it. Now because of them ignoring all of the warning signs none of this shit would’ve happened. but no bp tries to save more and more money. Animals are my life as the numbers go up and up it pisses me off to see the death toll is a lot higher than it seems

]]> By: HeavyG http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809018 HeavyG Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809018 I think we can all agree that what is happening in and to the Gulf is a tragedy and it sucks. However, what is the point of trying to keep a body count? Each and every year tens of million of birds are killed by car windshields and flying into building windows. Millions of land animals become roadkill each year. I know it gives many people warm fuzzy feelings to try and capture many of these oil soaked critters and scrub them clean it is my understanding that most of those animals don't live very long after release anyway due to the shock and trauma of the incident and also the handling/cleaning by humans. I think we can all agree that what is happening in and to the Gulf is a tragedy and it sucks.

However, what is the point of trying to keep a body count?

Each and every year tens of million of birds are killed by car windshields and flying into building windows. Millions of land animals become roadkill each year.

I know it gives many people warm fuzzy feelings to try and capture many of these oil soaked critters and scrub them clean it is my understanding that most of those animals don’t live very long after release anyway due to the shock and trauma of the incident and also the handling/cleaning by humans.

]]> By: fubbs http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808770 fubbs Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808770 This kind of thing also makes me wonder about the animals that left the area in time. Once any creature has deemed an area uninhabitable, how long does it take for them (and their offspring) to venture back? In other words, even if all the oil magically went away tomorrow, how much would the sudden lack of wildlife affect the ecosystem? This kind of thing also makes me wonder about the animals that left the area in time. Once any creature has deemed an area uninhabitable, how long does it take for them (and their offspring) to venture back? In other words, even if all the oil magically went away tomorrow, how much would the sudden lack of wildlife affect the ecosystem?

]]> By: Hawkman http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808777 Hawkman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808777 Maybe to help BP in their collection efforts we should ship all the dead wildlife to BP headquarters....for as many decades at this affects the Gulf Coast wildlife...fish, birds, turtles, porpoise', crabs, shrimp, oyster. I'm fuking serious. Maybe to help BP in their collection efforts we should ship all the dead wildlife to BP headquarters….for as many decades at this affects the Gulf Coast wildlife…fish, birds, turtles, porpoise’, crabs, shrimp, oyster. I’m fuking serious.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809034 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809034 Exactly the opposite actually. The fact that spill is occurring far beneath the ocean means much of the devastation simply will never make it onto a beach or the water's surface. Dead animals will choke to death in oxygen depleted water and sink to the bottom of the gulf. As the microbial population increases (the spill is smorgasbord for many tiny things), they will suck the oxygen out of the water and turn huge areas of the gulf hypoxic, depleting massive amounts of low-chain food sources, which will in turn cause larger, more resilient creatures to starve to death. And who in the hell knows what the dispersant concentrations are going to do there. The government needs to start making serious estimates on how much of the gulf will be lost. At this point I do not believe 20-25% is out of the realm of possibilities under the revised spill estimates. Exactly the opposite actually. The fact that spill is occurring far beneath the ocean means much of the devastation simply will never make it onto a beach or the water’s surface. Dead animals will choke to death in oxygen depleted water and sink to the bottom of the gulf. As the microbial population increases (the spill is smorgasbord for many tiny things), they will suck the oxygen out of the water and turn huge areas of the gulf hypoxic, depleting massive amounts of low-chain food sources, which will in turn cause larger, more resilient creatures to starve to death.

And who in the hell knows what the dispersant concentrations are going to do there.

The government needs to start making serious estimates on how much of the gulf will be lost. At this point I do not believe 20-25% is out of the realm of possibilities under the revised spill estimates.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-816206 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-816206 I reviewed the US Fish and Wildlife stats. According to them, only 10-15% of these animals are found with traces of oil on them. The rest have "No visible Oil" on them. They also disclose this: "Some fish and wildlife reported here have likely died or been injured by natural causes, not due to the oil spill. Due to the increased number of trained people evaluating the spill impacted areas, it is also likely that we will recover more naturally injured or dead fish and wildlife than normal." Not to say BP didn't do a horrible thing, I just think there might be a chance that these numbers are inflated. I reviewed the US Fish and Wildlife stats. According to them, only 10-15% of these animals are found with traces of oil on them. The rest have “No visible Oil” on them.

They also disclose this: “Some fish and wildlife reported here have likely died or been injured by natural causes, not due to the oil spill. Due to the increased number of trained people evaluating the spill impacted areas, it is also likely that we will recover more naturally injured or dead fish and wildlife than normal.”

Not to say BP didn’t do a horrible thing, I just think there might be a chance that these numbers are inflated.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-901202 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-901202 nice i was thinking about that nice i was thinking about that

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809046 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809046 The big issue with the leak is one of pressure. This thing is going at a potential 40,000 barrels of oil a day. That's 1.7 million gallons per day, or 1180 gallons PER MINUTE. And the hole in the pipe is apparently only about 20 inches across. Look at this as the ultimate fire-hose. What can you put over the end of it to completely shut it down. That kind of force could punch a hole in a stone wall. The big issue with the leak is one of pressure. This thing is going at a potential 40,000 barrels of oil a day.

That’s 1.7 million gallons per day, or 1180 gallons PER MINUTE. And the hole in the pipe is apparently only about 20 inches across.

Look at this as the ultimate fire-hose. What can you put over the end of it to completely shut it down. That kind of force could punch a hole in a stone wall.

]]> By: Lora http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809818 Lora Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809818 Using the "Migratory Bird Treaty Act" values each bird @ $2000 and is a felony. So thats 725 birds X $2000 = $1,450,000 & 725 felony counts. Using the “Migratory Bird Treaty Act” values each bird @ $2000 and is a felony. So thats 725 birds X $2000 = $1,450,000 & 725 felony counts.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-835932 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-835932 Yes...it is safe to eat seafood...if it's from the Pacific or North Atlantic: for now anyway. But the ecosystem has indeed been damaged by this...and it will be years (if not decades) before we know how much we all really lost through this terrible disaster. Yes…it is safe to eat seafood…if it’s from the Pacific or North Atlantic: for now anyway. But the ecosystem has indeed been damaged by this…and it will be years (if not decades) before we know how much we all really lost through this terrible disaster.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809059 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809059 Let them eat oil !! BTW, does anybody actually think these absurdly low numbers are accurate ? more likely its 65,800 birds etc +- 100,000 since you are considering hundreds of square miles of contamination. etc Let them eat oil !!

BTW, does anybody actually think these absurdly low numbers are accurate ?

more likely its 65,800 birds etc +- 100,000 since you are considering hundreds of square miles of contamination.

etc

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809573 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809573 Total bullshit. I can't believe anyone takes these numbers seriously. many, many, many orders of magnitude worse than this. it would be impossible to collect all the dead Total bullshit. I can’t believe anyone takes these numbers seriously. many, many, many orders of magnitude worse than this. it would be impossible to collect all the dead

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-814185 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-814185 its sad knowing that the numbers are still growing on these dead, poor creatures... =( its sad knowing that the numbers are still growing on these dead, poor creatures… =(

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-809070 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-809070 Exactly, that's what we have to do. Please, if you have any power do it and save any living things near that mess. Exactly, that’s what we have to do. Please, if you have any power do it and save any living things near that mess.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-808815 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-808815 I heard 320 dead sea turtles from several sources, although it's likely that not all of them are directly caused by the oil spill. Turtles with oil on them number 32 right now with probably many more to come. Wonder where they got their info. I heard 320 dead sea turtles from several sources, although it’s likely that not all of them are directly caused by the oil spill. Turtles with oil on them number 32 right now with probably many more to come. Wonder where they got their info.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-810870 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-810870 Well...It appears that the ~30000 gallon leak in the Red Butte Creak in Salt Lake contaminated 300 birds, although only about 10 have died so far Well…It appears that the ~30000 gallon leak in the Red Butte Creak in Salt Lake contaminated 300 birds, although only about 10 have died so far

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-818039 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-818039 Yes it does....What do you think will happen to the rest of the U.S. when all is shut down in the gulf though? Yes it does….What do you think will happen to the rest of the U.S. when all is shut down in the gulf though?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-818040 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-818040 You really think so? Wow You really think so? Wow

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-818041 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-818041 I live on the gulf coast. Trust me, it has made a horrible difference! I live on the gulf coast. Trust me, it has made a horrible difference!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-821113 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-821113 I would like to know why do they not just blast it shut.That could have been done days after the disaster happened.O! then they cant get to the oil again.So screw the enviroment, its always about the money isnt it? Start buying biofuel. Louis I would like to know why do they not just blast it shut.That could have been done days after the disaster happened.O! then they cant get to the oil again.So screw the enviroment, its always about the money isnt it? Start buying biofuel.
Louis

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-931197 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-931197 Well done for pointing this out Jeff. Let's not also forget the SECOND DISASTER in Bhopal... While the pesticide plant was operational vast amounts of toxic waste were simply dumped all around. Over the years toxic chemicals leached into the ground water (the only source of drinking water for 10's of thousands of people). This has NOTHING to do with the 1984 gas disaster, except for being caused by the same factory, and even the US courts acknowledge this fact. So, how much has Dow Chemical (owners of Union Carbide) done to put the situation right, and how much compensation has been paid? That's right... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Obama is quite right to pursue BP to the max but the double standards here are almost beyond belief... check www.bhopal.org for more info Well done for pointing this out Jeff.

Let’s not also forget the SECOND DISASTER in Bhopal… While the pesticide plant was operational vast amounts of toxic waste were simply dumped all around.
Over the years toxic chemicals leached into the ground water (the only source of drinking water for 10′s of thousands of people).
This has NOTHING to do with the 1984 gas disaster, except for being caused by the same factory, and even the US courts acknowledge this fact.
So, how much has Dow Chemical (owners of Union Carbide) done to put the situation right, and how much compensation has been paid?
That’s right… ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Obama is quite right to pursue BP to the max but the double standards here are almost beyond belief…
check http://www.bhopal.org for more info

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/06/11/bp-oil-spill-daily-d.html#comment-938625 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-938625 Too bad it wasn't a BBQ spill....that could have been delicous... Too bad it wasn’t a BBQ spill….that could have been delicous…

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