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		<title>By: Panamericana</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811782</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read his blog you will realize that 
the resilient communities that he talks about
and is writing a book about are open-source
communities, when he talks about local
manufacturing, you should real Desktop
Fabrication, etc.
Read the blog, you will like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read his blog you will realize that<br />
the resilient communities that he talks about<br />
and is writing a book about are open-source<br />
communities, when he talks about local<br />
manufacturing, you should real Desktop<br />
Fabrication, etc.<br />
Read the blog, you will like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Arkenberg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811018</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Arkenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Sorry for the formatting error. It&#039;s fixed.]

Davin, the interviews I&#039;m posting are necessarily brief, aiming mainly to expose the work of people like Robb. Read his book, go to his blog, or take any number of other steps to research his prognostications for yourself. 

Also, note that Robb is an independent consultant and has to promote himself in order to make a living, ie self-promotion can be confused with  self-importance. </description>
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<p>Davin, the interviews I&#8217;m posting are necessarily brief, aiming mainly to expose the work of people like Robb. Read his book, go to his blog, or take any number of other steps to research his prognostications for yourself. </p>
<p>Also, note that Robb is an independent consultant and has to promote himself in order to make a living, ie self-promotion can be confused with  self-importance. </p>
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		<title>By: therationalpi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811019</link>
		<dc:creator>therationalpi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly something to chew on. Would make for exciting after-dinner conversation, with the right people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly something to chew on. Would make for exciting after-dinner conversation, with the right people.</p>
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		<title>By: star35</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811531</link>
		<dc:creator>star35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once you get past the reasonably interesting discussion of asymmetrical warfare (which let&#039;s face it was doing pretty well before Robb decided to analyse it - most of what he&#039;s talking about has been the basis of Anarchist politics for decades), I fail to see the difference between this stuff and the kind of determinist apocalpytic bollocks spouted by fundamentalist christians and right wing militias. 

He says that for a glimpse of the future we should &quot;Think Argentina, Greece, Spain, Iceland&quot;. I&#039;ve been on holiday to most of them recently. I did not see any evidence of people shifting &quot;their loyalties to any local group that can provide for their daily needs&quot; or &quot;crime fueled local insurgencies and militias.&quot; 

It&#039;s pretty apparent to most people that things in the West can&#039;t continue on the same basis as they have been. Many people look at that and start trying to figure out how to replace Capitalism with a more sensible way to run society. This would be much more useful than trying to figure out how to fortify your bunker against the mob from the next village.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once you get past the reasonably interesting discussion of asymmetrical warfare (which let&#8217;s face it was doing pretty well before Robb decided to analyse it &#8211; most of what he&#8217;s talking about has been the basis of Anarchist politics for decades), I fail to see the difference between this stuff and the kind of determinist apocalpytic bollocks spouted by fundamentalist christians and right wing militias. </p>
<p>He says that for a glimpse of the future we should &#8220;Think Argentina, Greece, Spain, Iceland&#8221;. I&#8217;ve been on holiday to most of them recently. I did not see any evidence of people shifting &#8220;their loyalties to any local group that can provide for their daily needs&#8221; or &#8220;crime fueled local insurgencies and militias.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty apparent to most people that things in the West can&#8217;t continue on the same basis as they have been. Many people look at that and start trying to figure out how to replace Capitalism with a more sensible way to run society. This would be much more useful than trying to figure out how to fortify your bunker against the mob from the next village.</p>
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		<title>By: Daedalus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811787</link>
		<dc:creator>Daedalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gross oversimplifications overlook important details that may change prognostications.

But local, sustainable movements are basically an awesome thing regardless of if the rest of the US collapses into a Warring States period. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gross oversimplifications overlook important details that may change prognostications.</p>
<p>But local, sustainable movements are basically an awesome thing regardless of if the rest of the US collapses into a Warring States period. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-812307</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panamericana: &quot;he was basically telling them and also the congress is that they are fucked if they continue
with the doctrine that you mention, and how to
bring real stability to the region.&quot;

How to bring real security - to an illegal occupation of a sovereign state?  Do you mean leave?  Because you can&#039;t oppose an occupation by helping it succeed.

So he&#039;s advocating an end to the US empire?  An immediate and complete withdrawal?  Drastically cutting the military budget?  Abolishing the CIA?  Withdrawing Special Ops from the 75 countries they operate in?  Actually, RTFA.

He writes:  &quot;Back in 2004, the US military was getting trounced in guerrillas in Iraq. Worse, the US military establishment didn&#039;t know why. Didn&#039;t have a clue. To correct this, I began to write &quot;

Again, &quot;To correct this, I began to write &quot;.

Again, to correct what? &quot;the US military was getting trounced in guerrillas in Iraq&quot;.

Again, RTFA.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panamericana: &#8220;he was basically telling them and also the congress is that they are fucked if they continue<br />
with the doctrine that you mention, and how to<br />
bring real stability to the region.&#8221;</p>
<p>How to bring real security &#8211; to an illegal occupation of a sovereign state?  Do you mean leave?  Because you can&#8217;t oppose an occupation by helping it succeed.</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s advocating an end to the US empire?  An immediate and complete withdrawal?  Drastically cutting the military budget?  Abolishing the CIA?  Withdrawing Special Ops from the 75 countries they operate in?  Actually, RTFA.</p>
<p>He writes:  &#8220;Back in 2004, the US military was getting trounced in guerrillas in Iraq. Worse, the US military establishment didn&#8217;t know why. Didn&#8217;t have a clue. To correct this, I began to write &#8221;</p>
<p>Again, &#8220;To correct this, I began to write &#8220;.</p>
<p>Again, to correct what? &#8220;the US military was getting trounced in guerrillas in Iraq&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again, RTFA.</p>
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		<title>By: Panamericana</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811797</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gee, thanks for assisting their efforts to invade/occupy/bomb/de-stabilize other countries and spy on anti-war protesters. Great job!&quot;

He was not assisting them in those tasks my friend,
what he was basically telling them and also the congress is that they are fucked if they continue
with the doctrine that you mention, and how to 
bring real stability to the region.
Of course they are not interested in that,
and didn&#039;t listen. Now he&#039;s just trying to 
help communities to prepare for the consequences 
of such doctrine. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gee, thanks for assisting their efforts to invade/occupy/bomb/de-stabilize other countries and spy on anti-war protesters. Great job!&#8221;</p>
<p>He was not assisting them in those tasks my friend,<br />
what he was basically telling them and also the congress is that they are fucked if they continue<br />
with the doctrine that you mention, and how to<br />
bring real stability to the region.<br />
Of course they are not interested in that,<br />
and didn&#8217;t listen. Now he&#8217;s just trying to<br />
help communities to prepare for the consequences<br />
of such doctrine. </p>
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		<title>By: Magnetar Melon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811030</link>
		<dc:creator>Magnetar Melon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The United States is suffering both the economic decline of its industry and the ongoing dismantling of the social welfare apparatus supporting the citizenry. In your opinion, will this inevitably lead to some form of armed insurgency in America?&quot;

This is a leading question with a false premise. And the interviewee is speculating wildly without sufficient evidence to support his assertions against Westphalian sovereignty and prediction models (especially of the realist variety). 

 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The United States is suffering both the economic decline of its industry and the ongoing dismantling of the social welfare apparatus supporting the citizenry. In your opinion, will this inevitably lead to some form of armed insurgency in America?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a leading question with a false premise. And the interviewee is speculating wildly without sufficient evidence to support his assertions against Westphalian sovereignty and prediction models (especially of the realist variety). </p>
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		<title>By: John Robb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811286</link>
		<dc:creator>John Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon,

Good luck with those figures on Nigeria&#039;s oil production.  It&#039;s easy to go astray with hasty research. 

For example.  From a recent article in OGJ.  

&quot;From a peak of 2.6 million b/d in 2006, production fell to as low as 1 million b/d. Since the governmentâ€™s recent amnesty program came into effect, however, production has risen to 2 million b/d.&quot;

http://www.ogj.com/index/blogs/oil-diplomacy/blogs/OGJ/oil-diplomacy-blog/post987_6083664137213851315.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon,</p>
<p>Good luck with those figures on Nigeria&#8217;s oil production.  It&#8217;s easy to go astray with hasty research. </p>
<p>For example.  From a recent article in OGJ.  </p>
<p>&#8220;From a peak of 2.6 million b/d in 2006, production fell to as low as 1 million b/d. Since the governmentâ€™s recent amnesty program came into effect, however, production has risen to 2 million b/d.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ogj.com/index/blogs/oil-diplomacy/blogs/OGJ/oil-diplomacy-blog/post987_6083664137213851315.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ogj.com/index/blogs/oil-diplomacy/blogs/OGJ/oil-diplomacy-blog/post987_6083664137213851315.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Robb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811291</link>
		<dc:creator>John Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaytkay,

A couple of things.  There is a difference between the gross leverage that made the collapse possible and the mechanism that initiated the crash.  The financial collapse started in subprime mortgages.  The speed of the deterioration in this segment amplified its impact.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaytkay,</p>
<p>A couple of things.  There is a difference between the gross leverage that made the collapse possible and the mechanism that initiated the crash.  The financial collapse started in subprime mortgages.  The speed of the deterioration in this segment amplified its impact.  </p>
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		<title>By: Panamericana</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811815</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guerrilla Savant
&quot;it&#039;d be so much easier to just hijack planes and crash them into it.&quot;
You know what would be much easier?
Demolishing it with nano-thermite.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guerrilla Savant<br />
&#8220;it&#8217;d be so much easier to just hijack planes and crash them into it.&#8221;<br />
You know what would be much easier?<br />
Demolishing it with nano-thermite.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811064</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever y&#039;all do during TEOTWAWKI, please don&#039;t head West.  It&#039;s really rainy here, and uhm, people are ugly and uhh.... the architecture is lousy.  Really, just stay home with your plastic sheeting and duct tape.  I hear the South has some nice beaches, maybe you should check those out.

ahyep..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever y&#8217;all do during TEOTWAWKI, please don&#8217;t head West.  It&#8217;s really rainy here, and uhm, people are ugly and uhh&#8230;. the architecture is lousy.  Really, just stay home with your plastic sheeting and duct tape.  I hear the South has some nice beaches, maybe you should check those out.</p>
<p>ahyep..</p>
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		<title>By: Panamericana</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811833</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;more like kleptocratic citizenry or government.&quot;
Right, because the Greek Government and Citizenry
own J.P. Morgan and the bankster cartel,
And in the US is the same, all the citizenry
and the puppets own the FED,
These people are foreclosing themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;more like kleptocratic citizenry or government.&#8221;<br />
Right, because the Greek Government and Citizenry<br />
own J.P. Morgan and the bankster cartel,<br />
And in the US is the same, all the citizenry<br />
and the puppets own the FED,<br />
These people are foreclosing themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Panamericana</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811837</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I only had to check one fact about Nigerian oil production to throw this guy&#039;s contention out the window. According to the EIA Nigeria&#039;s oil production for 2004-2008 were&quot;

You are not taking into account that what is extracted doesn&#039;t necessarily get delivered,
especially when transportation lines are blown up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I only had to check one fact about Nigerian oil production to throw this guy&#8217;s contention out the window. According to the EIA Nigeria&#8217;s oil production for 2004-2008 were&#8221;</p>
<p>You are not taking into account that what is extracted doesn&#8217;t necessarily get delivered,<br />
especially when transportation lines are blown up.</p>
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		<title>By: SKR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811334</link>
		<dc:creator>SKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>take a dopamine inhibitor please.</description>
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		<title>By: Panamericana</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811853</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The real estate bubble collapsed because gas and food prices increased? That&#039;s some serious dumbassery.&quot;

Hmm, let me see if I can explain this in simpler terms to you:
1)A sub-prime loan is a loan extended to someone 
that barely can pay it.
2)If oil and gas prices rise mostly everything
rises because oil and gas are used to make and transport almost everything.
3)When everything rises, wages and salaries
don&#039;t rise with them.
4)When people have to pay more for everything
they have less disposable income and consumption
in certain industries dips, this causes employees
to be fired.
5)Some people that could barely pay the loans,
facing a price hike in almost everything,
and having the same wage, less or being fired
stop making the payments and thats how the bubble explodes.
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The real estate bubble collapsed because gas and food prices increased? That&#8217;s some serious dumbassery.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, let me see if I can explain this in simpler terms to you:<br />
1)A sub-prime loan is a loan extended to someone<br />
that barely can pay it.<br />
2)If oil and gas prices rise mostly everything<br />
rises because oil and gas are used to make and transport almost everything.<br />
3)When everything rises, wages and salaries<br />
don&#8217;t rise with them.<br />
4)When people have to pay more for everything<br />
they have less disposable income and consumption<br />
in certain industries dips, this causes employees<br />
to be fired.<br />
5)Some people that could barely pay the loans,<br />
facing a price hike in almost everything,<br />
and having the same wage, less or being fired<br />
stop making the payments and thats how the bubble explodes.</p>
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		<title>By: Yamara</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811086</link>
		<dc:creator>Yamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Titor... is that you?

Because you were wrong before about all that future stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Titor&#8230; is that you?</p>
<p>Because you were wrong before about all that future stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Davin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811346</link>
		<dc:creator>Davin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Primary source vs. secondary source vs. tertiary source? I&#039;d say the journal is somewhere farther down the line. Not that it matters particularly much to argue this. But when it comes to statistics, it&#039;s generally better to go with as raw as you can get. The more hands the numbers pass through, the more chance of bias and error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primary source vs. secondary source vs. tertiary source? I&#8217;d say the journal is somewhere farther down the line. Not that it matters particularly much to argue this. But when it comes to statistics, it&#8217;s generally better to go with as raw as you can get. The more hands the numbers pass through, the more chance of bias and error.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernunnos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernunnos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gun was loaded by about $4 trillion in CRA loans, amplified by lots of leverage. It would have gone off eventually given the debt-to-income ratios they were allowing borrowers to assume, but the oil spike certainly pulled the trigger. Although I will dispute that Nigeria was central to that. &lt;i&gt;World&lt;/i&gt; production has been flat at ~74 million barrels per day since 2005. We are at the peak, and have been for the last half decade. It&#039;s no coincidence that first world economies fueled on the availability of cheap oil are finding that credit is no substitute for energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gun was loaded by about $4 trillion in CRA loans, amplified by lots of leverage. It would have gone off eventually given the debt-to-income ratios they were allowing borrowers to assume, but the oil spike certainly pulled the trigger. Although I will dispute that Nigeria was central to that. <i>World</i> production has been flat at ~74 million barrels per day since 2005. We are at the peak, and have been for the last half decade. It&#8217;s no coincidence that first world economies fueled on the availability of cheap oil are finding that credit is no substitute for energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernunnos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811350</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernunnos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The odds aren&#039;t 50/50 that we&#039;ll maintain our lifestyle through the next ten years, the odds are zero. Our lifestyle is fueled on cheap power. When that ran out (in the US in the early 70s, and globally in 2005) we replaced it with credit. Now the credit has run out, and there is no new source of cheap power even on the horizon. Even if we started today, nuclear and the grid to support it would take a generation to bring online, if not more. Mass solar and wind are even worse. I got my solar, and I love it, but it just doesn&#039;t scale.

Get ready to be poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odds aren&#8217;t 50/50 that we&#8217;ll maintain our lifestyle through the next ten years, the odds are zero. Our lifestyle is fueled on cheap power. When that ran out (in the US in the early 70s, and globally in 2005) we replaced it with credit. Now the credit has run out, and there is no new source of cheap power even on the horizon. Even if we started today, nuclear and the grid to support it would take a generation to bring online, if not more. Mass solar and wind are even worse. I got my solar, and I love it, but it just doesn&#8217;t scale.</p>
<p>Get ready to be poor.</p>
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		<title>By: g-clef</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811358</link>
		<dc:creator>g-clef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, are you really proposing that we prefer a blog post with no citations for his values over the Dept. of Energy&#039;s values?  Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, are you really proposing that we prefer a blog post with no citations for his values over the Dept. of Energy&#8217;s values?  Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! And, um. Earthquakes! Like every ten minutes. Bad ones. 


It&#039;s really a horrible, barren place. Everything to the contrary are just filthy, filthy lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! And, um. Earthquakes! Like every ten minutes. Bad ones. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a horrible, barren place. Everything to the contrary are just filthy, filthy lies.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811362</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw all the vitriol-puking keystroke-wasters referring to Robb as &quot;this guy&quot;. Have a degree of civility. It&#039;s the oldest trick in the book to discredit someone, and is simply pathetic.

I don&#039;t particularly agree with everything Robb has to say, but I can guarantee that he is probably more qualified to speak on these issues than most BB commenters. I don&#039;t remember the DoD, CIA or NSA asking any of &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; for advice, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw all the vitriol-puking keystroke-wasters referring to Robb as &#8220;this guy&#8221;. Have a degree of civility. It&#8217;s the oldest trick in the book to discredit someone, and is simply pathetic.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly agree with everything Robb has to say, but I can guarantee that he is probably more qualified to speak on these issues than most BB commenters. I don&#8217;t remember the DoD, CIA or NSA asking any of <i>us</i> for advice, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the evidence is all there if you look. The author has the general outlines of what I think seems to be the most probable future our world faces.   

The elites in the nation-states have increasingly moved the globe toward a system in which financial predators run loose and national and global economies suffer wild boom-and-bust cycles.  This allows what is in essence a looting of the poor and middle class.  In an unstable financial system they are the ones who by far suffer the most.  If you don&#039;t believe me, read up on Latin American history.  The wealthy stayed wealthy, the middle classes shrank, and the poor got even poorer.  

Faced with these conditions, there is a small proportion of any population for which armed guerrilla action is an attractive alternative.  Some of these are aggrieved masses, some are criminal elements seeking to carve out their own little kingdoms.  The author is saying that the tools now exist for them to be very effective in undermining the conventional nation state. 

Think of these elements as packs of wolves and the nation states as very large herbivores.  The large herbivores are very secure against the wolves as long as they are healthy.  When they are weak or sick they become vulnerable.  

The global elites have made the nation-states increasingly weak through allowing predatory behavior by financial firms, racking up huge trade imbalances, over-dependence on dwindling resources, and national factions that work against each other to the detriment of the whole (think Democrats and Republicans in the US).  



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the evidence is all there if you look. The author has the general outlines of what I think seems to be the most probable future our world faces.   </p>
<p>The elites in the nation-states have increasingly moved the globe toward a system in which financial predators run loose and national and global economies suffer wild boom-and-bust cycles.  This allows what is in essence a looting of the poor and middle class.  In an unstable financial system they are the ones who by far suffer the most.  If you don&#8217;t believe me, read up on Latin American history.  The wealthy stayed wealthy, the middle classes shrank, and the poor got even poorer.  </p>
<p>Faced with these conditions, there is a small proportion of any population for which armed guerrilla action is an attractive alternative.  Some of these are aggrieved masses, some are criminal elements seeking to carve out their own little kingdoms.  The author is saying that the tools now exist for them to be very effective in undermining the conventional nation state. </p>
<p>Think of these elements as packs of wolves and the nation states as very large herbivores.  The large herbivores are very secure against the wolves as long as they are healthy.  When they are weak or sick they become vulnerable.  </p>
<p>The global elites have made the nation-states increasingly weak through allowing predatory behavior by financial firms, racking up huge trade imbalances, over-dependence on dwindling resources, and national factions that work against each other to the detriment of the whole (think Democrats and Republicans in the US).  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811368</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leverage in the system was a function of velocity increasing beyond the economies ability to absorb it. Money has become equated with derivatives which is an information based value system. The information, existing as digital wealth, was built upon trade balances that overreached the energy input required to maintain the velocity of transactions.

2008 is the year the world reached peak oil production, the sub-prime debacle was a function of the lurch that occurred as a result of hitting an energy shortfall - like a car in fifth gear being suddenly jolted into third - in an instant the global financial system recoiled in shocking fashion.

If Nigerian production did indeed fall by 1mbd in 2007-2008 than I would have to say that it played a contributing factor to the energy shortfall, alongside depletion rates in oil fields such as Mexico&#039;s Cantarell.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leverage in the system was a function of velocity increasing beyond the economies ability to absorb it. Money has become equated with derivatives which is an information based value system. The information, existing as digital wealth, was built upon trade balances that overreached the energy input required to maintain the velocity of transactions.</p>
<p>2008 is the year the world reached peak oil production, the sub-prime debacle was a function of the lurch that occurred as a result of hitting an energy shortfall &#8211; like a car in fifth gear being suddenly jolted into third &#8211; in an instant the global financial system recoiled in shocking fashion.</p>
<p>If Nigerian production did indeed fall by 1mbd in 2007-2008 than I would have to say that it played a contributing factor to the energy shortfall, alongside depletion rates in oil fields such as Mexico&#8217;s Cantarell.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This shortfall was the reason oil prices rose to $147 a barrel.&quot;
NO: Oil rose to $147 per barrel because of increased demand in the developing world, particularly China.

&quot;Those high prices had a negative global economic impact: the start of a global recession and a spike in default rates in US sub-prime mortgages (due to higher driving and food costs).&quot;
NO: The Sub-prime crisis was a speculative bubble on securitized mortgages that burst under it&#039;s own over-leveraged weight. No serious economist or business leader has or would attribute it to high energy costs.

It&#039;s statements like these in which he lost any credibility, and that was before the locavore/survivalist theme began.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This shortfall was the reason oil prices rose to $147 a barrel.&#8221;<br />
NO: Oil rose to $147 per barrel because of increased demand in the developing world, particularly China.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those high prices had a negative global economic impact: the start of a global recession and a spike in default rates in US sub-prime mortgages (due to higher driving and food costs).&#8221;<br />
NO: The Sub-prime crisis was a speculative bubble on securitized mortgages that burst under it&#8217;s own over-leveraged weight. No serious economist or business leader has or would attribute it to high energy costs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s statements like these in which he lost any credibility, and that was before the locavore/survivalist theme began.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811370</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;John, are you really proposing that we prefer a blog post with no citations for his values over the Dept. of Energy&#039;s values? Really?&lt;/i&gt;

You could just research it... you know... that way you wouldn&#039;t have ended up looking like such a fool. From the NYtimes: &lt;i&gt;After one of Shell&#039;s big export sites was bombed in February 2006, the company abandoned its operations in the Western part of the delta and shut half its production, or 500,000 barrels a day.&lt;/i&gt;
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE7D9163EF932A15757C0A9619C8B63&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=2

So... if Shell &lt;b&gt;alone&lt;/b&gt; lost 500,000 BPD, I&#039;d say his figure of 1m BPD across the Nigerian oil industry is feasible. Futhermore, you do realise that the DOE has a vested interest in making it appear that oil supply is steady, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John, are you really proposing that we prefer a blog post with no citations for his values over the Dept. of Energy&#8217;s values? Really?</i></p>
<p>You could just research it&#8230; you know&#8230; that way you wouldn&#8217;t have ended up looking like such a fool. From the NYtimes: <i>After one of Shell&#8217;s big export sites was bombed in February 2006, the company abandoned its operations in the Western part of the delta and shut half its production, or 500,000 barrels a day.</i><br />
<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE7D9163EF932A15757C0A9619C8B63&#038;sec=&#038;spon=&#038;pagewanted=2" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE7D9163EF932A15757C0A9619C8B63&#038;sec=&#038;spon=&#038;pagewanted=2</a></p>
<p>So&#8230; if Shell <b>alone</b> lost 500,000 BPD, I&#8217;d say his figure of 1m BPD across the Nigerian oil industry is feasible. Futhermore, you do realise that the DOE has a vested interest in making it appear that oil supply is steady, right?</p>
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		<title>By: eerd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html#comment-811628</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did Mr Robb go to Nigeria to talk to Henry Okah? Was that while Okah was on trial? 

Also, re the production figures, Nigeria often says it has capacity to produce 3 million bpd but actual production is around 2 million bpd at the moment. It has been lower still, at around 1.6 million bpd in July 2009, according to OPEC&#039;s figures.

Part of the problem also is that it&#039;s unclear how much is being produced. The government relies on the producers and substantial amounts are bunkered from pipelines. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did Mr Robb go to Nigeria to talk to Henry Okah? Was that while Okah was on trial? </p>
<p>Also, re the production figures, Nigeria often says it has capacity to produce 3 million bpd but actual production is around 2 million bpd at the moment. It has been lower still, at around 1.6 million bpd in July 2009, according to OPEC&#8217;s figures.</p>
<p>Part of the problem also is that it&#8217;s unclear how much is being produced. The government relies on the producers and substantial amounts are bunkered from pipelines. </p>
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		<title>By: niten</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha...  Pessimist, much?

I think he&#039;s actually half-right.  He&#039;s seen the power of flexible, small-to-gigantic &#039;open-source&#039; (that term gets stretched ever further with every step away from program code) groups, empowered through technology.  He sees how they might cause tremendous harm.

...And stops there.  Why?

By analogy, I think this guy would have said, in 2002:  &quot;Wikipedia is DOOMED TO FAIL because of vandals!&quot;  ....Like most people did.

Or in 1994:  &quot;Linux is DOOMED TO FAIL because of haxxors and chaos and laziness!&quot;  ....Like most people did.

IOW, being as he&#039;s a pessimist, he sees only the harm that connected individuals can do; but their capacity for good grows, likewise.  So the question is, which is greater:  our capacity for good, or for evil?

Wikipedia, Linux, and other large shared projects lead me to feel warm and fuzzy.

So, why not open source companies?  Open source government?  Why ONLY open source terrorism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha&#8230;  Pessimist, much?</p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s actually half-right.  He&#8217;s seen the power of flexible, small-to-gigantic &#8216;open-source&#8217; (that term gets stretched ever further with every step away from program code) groups, empowered through technology.  He sees how they might cause tremendous harm.</p>
<p>&#8230;And stops there.  Why?</p>
<p>By analogy, I think this guy would have said, in 2002:  &#8220;Wikipedia is DOOMED TO FAIL because of vandals!&#8221;  &#8230;.Like most people did.</p>
<p>Or in 1994:  &#8220;Linux is DOOMED TO FAIL because of haxxors and chaos and laziness!&#8221;  &#8230;.Like most people did.</p>
<p>IOW, being as he&#8217;s a pessimist, he sees only the harm that connected individuals can do; but their capacity for good grows, likewise.  So the question is, which is greater:  our capacity for good, or for evil?</p>
<p>Wikipedia, Linux, and other large shared projects lead me to feel warm and fuzzy.</p>
<p>So, why not open source companies?  Open source government?  Why ONLY open source terrorism?</p>
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		<title>By: Daemon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The changing nature of warfare&quot;... The only thing that&#039;s changed about war is the toys.</description>
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