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		<title>By: theCanuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819456</link>
		<dc:creator>theCanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really!?  &quot;riot policeman shoots a woman at near point-blank range with a canister of tear gas&quot;.  This wording seems sensational, given that the gun doesn&#039;t actually fire a projectile, but a &quot;muzzle flash&quot; of tear gas.  In the video, you can also see the riot cop steps aside and aims behind the young woman.  The other person we see lying on the ground at the end of the video however, may have been hit with a rubber bullet, which police were using as well.  After watching continual coverage yesterday and today on Canada&#039;s major TV networks, I have to say that this video and the brief footage I saw of riot police beating protesters with batons may have been the worst use of police force that I saw.  A number of hooligans, however, saw fit to burn five or six police cars to the ground yesterday, between smashing windows.  Overall, other than the obvious property damage, I think that police exercised considerable restraint.  Because most of the violence appeared to be mixed in with demonstrators who had formally organized a peaceful march, the police did not rush into these situations heavy handed, but used crowd control tactics (mostly just by showing up in number, and banging their riot shields) that allowed them to extinguish fires and make arrests without risking harm to themselves or innocent civilians.  Of course, I only saw what the media showed me, but here&#039;s independent video (I have no affiliation) that captures some of the carnage, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw Ironically, when most of this was going on on Saturday there was only one report of tear gas use, that I heard about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really!?  &#8220;riot policeman shoots a woman at near point-blank range with a canister of tear gas&#8221;.  This wording seems sensational, given that the gun doesn&#8217;t actually fire a projectile, but a &#8220;muzzle flash&#8221; of tear gas.  In the video, you can also see the riot cop steps aside and aims behind the young woman.  The other person we see lying on the ground at the end of the video however, may have been hit with a rubber bullet, which police were using as well.  After watching continual coverage yesterday and today on Canada&#8217;s major TV networks, I have to say that this video and the brief footage I saw of riot police beating protesters with batons may have been the worst use of police force that I saw.  A number of hooligans, however, saw fit to burn five or six police cars to the ground yesterday, between smashing windows.  Overall, other than the obvious property damage, I think that police exercised considerable restraint.  Because most of the violence appeared to be mixed in with demonstrators who had formally organized a peaceful march, the police did not rush into these situations heavy handed, but used crowd control tactics (mostly just by showing up in number, and banging their riot shields) that allowed them to extinguish fires and make arrests without risking harm to themselves or innocent civilians.  Of course, I only saw what the media showed me, but here&#8217;s independent video (I have no affiliation) that captures some of the carnage, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw</a> Ironically, when most of this was going on on Saturday there was only one report of tear gas use, that I heard about.</p>
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		<title>By: millrick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819458</link>
		<dc:creator>millrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Personally I feel sorry for the police.&quot;

13% of all Canada&#039;s police officers and military are in Toronto &#039;defending&#039; 20 world leaders. The 20,000 strong Integrated Security Unit is both armed and armoured, and by their own admission, the Unit is very selective about who they get into conflict with.

My sorrow is for 10,000 peaceful protesters whose voice is going unheard.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/business/global/27security.html?ref=americas
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Personally I feel sorry for the police.&#8221;</p>
<p>13% of all Canada&#8217;s police officers and military are in Toronto &#8216;defending&#8217; 20 world leaders. The 20,000 strong Integrated Security Unit is both armed and armoured, and by their own admission, the Unit is very selective about who they get into conflict with.</p>
<p>My sorrow is for 10,000 peaceful protesters whose voice is going unheard.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/business/global/27security.html?ref=americas" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/business/global/27security.html?ref=americas</a></p>
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		<title>By: DeWynken</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819460</link>
		<dc:creator>DeWynken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And all this time I thought the Canadians were the good guys..</description>
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		<title>By: mgfarrelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819463</link>
		<dc:creator>mgfarrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the black comedy of it.

All these G20 leaders are gathering to talk about austerity. 

Austerity. 

Spending a billion dollars to wall themselves off, shut down a major North American city for days at a time, and do all manner of damage to the reputation of that city by demanding draconian security measures. 

Add to that their fat expenses on luxury hotels, the finest food and drink plus an ungodly amount spent traveling to and fro. 

Austerity. 

In essence, these people will demand their citizens accept less basic civil services (hospitals, libraries, schools, infrastructure) while feting themselves behind of moat of policemen. 

Austerity folks, this is what austerity looks like. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the black comedy of it.</p>
<p>All these G20 leaders are gathering to talk about austerity. </p>
<p>Austerity. </p>
<p>Spending a billion dollars to wall themselves off, shut down a major North American city for days at a time, and do all manner of damage to the reputation of that city by demanding draconian security measures. </p>
<p>Add to that their fat expenses on luxury hotels, the finest food and drink plus an ungodly amount spent traveling to and fro. </p>
<p>Austerity. </p>
<p>In essence, these people will demand their citizens accept less basic civil services (hospitals, libraries, schools, infrastructure) while feting themselves behind of moat of policemen. </p>
<p>Austerity folks, this is what austerity looks like. </p>
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		<title>By: bersl2</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819464</link>
		<dc:creator>bersl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is only one clear message sent in all of this:

Holding one of these huge summits benefits few in the place it is held. Probably the convention center and a few other hotels get paid a large sum, and the local government may get funding for their troubles, but few other businesses see any benefit, and with security being so insane as to (whether for good or for ill) force protesters to be far away from the VIPs, &lt;strong&gt;why bother?&lt;/strong&gt;

Seriously: if the G&lt;tt&gt;&lt;i&gt;n&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; (where &lt;tt&gt;&lt;i&gt;n&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; is the number of countries represented) wanted to hold one of these in my cityâ€”and we&#039;ve hosted a political convention or two, and host other large events all the timeâ€”I&#039;d tell them to go fsck themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is only one clear message sent in all of this:</p>
<p>Holding one of these huge summits benefits few in the place it is held. Probably the convention center and a few other hotels get paid a large sum, and the local government may get funding for their troubles, but few other businesses see any benefit, and with security being so insane as to (whether for good or for ill) force protesters to be far away from the VIPs, <strong>why bother?</strong></p>
<p>Seriously: if the G<tt><i>n</i></tt> (where <tt><i>n</i></tt> is the number of countries represented) wanted to hold one of these in my cityâ€”and we&#8217;ve hosted a political convention or two, and host other large events all the timeâ€”I&#8217;d tell them to go fsck themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: bersl2</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819465</link>
		<dc:creator>bersl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; mostly the good guys, wherever these things are held; it&#039;s governments wanting to hold city centers hostage who are the enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People <em>are</em> mostly the good guys, wherever these things are held; it&#8217;s governments wanting to hold city centers hostage who are the enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: bwohlgemuth</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819466</link>
		<dc:creator>bwohlgemuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And our leaders keep holding these things in major metro cities...who are the criminals here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And our leaders keep holding these things in major metro cities&#8230;who are the criminals here?</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-821003</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the government just starts hiring private military companies to do security @ the next summits,&lt;/i&gt;

Where would they ever find a the kind of psychologically damaged soldiers, with both he combat experience and training, with a proven track record of maintaining unit cohesion while  treating people like animals and blindly following poorly defined orders which they would need in order to do such a thing?

yeah, exactly.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the government just starts hiring private military companies to do security @ the next summits,</i></p>
<p>Where would they ever find a the kind of psychologically damaged soldiers, with both he combat experience and training, with a proven track record of maintaining unit cohesion while  treating people like animals and blindly following poorly defined orders which they would need in order to do such a thing?</p>
<p>yeah, exactly.  </p>
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		<title>By: Micheal Kelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819469</link>
		<dc:creator>Micheal Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would happen if the G8/20 decided to hold these events in seclusion though? Like on a remote island in the Pacific or something? Would we all be happier, or would we start complaining that the leaders were meeting in secret? Although, at least in that case we wouldn&#039;t have all the damage to the city to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen if the G8/20 decided to hold these events in seclusion though? Like on a remote island in the Pacific or something? Would we all be happier, or would we start complaining that the leaders were meeting in secret? Although, at least in that case we wouldn&#8217;t have all the damage to the city to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819475</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really have that much to say about this.  I mean, I DO HAVE A LOT TO SAY...but I won&#039;t burden you with it.  I LIVE next to the zone and ended up being searched ONLY ONCE...mainly because I found a very small hole in their security.  

Last I heard they were still saying only 2 of those &quot;muzzle blasts&quot; were shot...video shows 3, and there&#039;s already smoke from a 4th.  They also yesterday denied using tear gas, and then never apologized to the public when they were proven wrong...

I was in a lot of this, blogging &#039;for&#039; CBC.  Had a friend almost arrested for asking directions TO GET OUT of a protest which she didn&#039;t intend to be in. 

That regulation that was past expires tomorrow.  But...the cops will likely STILL think they have the right to do this (seeing as what they were doing elsewhere, NOT covered by the PWPA, was HIGHLY illegal).  IANAL...but I did talk to one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really have that much to say about this.  I mean, I DO HAVE A LOT TO SAY&#8230;but I won&#8217;t burden you with it.  I LIVE next to the zone and ended up being searched ONLY ONCE&#8230;mainly because I found a very small hole in their security.  </p>
<p>Last I heard they were still saying only 2 of those &#8220;muzzle blasts&#8221; were shot&#8230;video shows 3, and there&#8217;s already smoke from a 4th.  They also yesterday denied using tear gas, and then never apologized to the public when they were proven wrong&#8230;</p>
<p>I was in a lot of this, blogging &#8216;for&#8217; CBC.  Had a friend almost arrested for asking directions TO GET OUT of a protest which she didn&#8217;t intend to be in. </p>
<p>That regulation that was past expires tomorrow.  But&#8230;the cops will likely STILL think they have the right to do this (seeing as what they were doing elsewhere, NOT covered by the PWPA, was HIGHLY illegal).  IANAL&#8230;but I did talk to one!</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-821011</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe me, most of us know that knuckleheads are the minority, and that they are everywhere. I very much like your approach to the knuckleheadedness on display above. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe me, most of us know that knuckleheads are the minority, and that they are everywhere. I very much like your approach to the knuckleheadedness on display above. </p>
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		<title>By: straponego</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819477</link>
		<dc:creator>straponego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time the Olympics, Gn, GOP/Democratic conventions, etc. assault a city, they first install a comprehensive surveillance/video network.  These networks are never removed.  Also they get training crowd control, sniping civilians from rooftops/helicopters, etc.

I don&#039;t know why they want these things, but clearly they do.  If they didn&#039;t, they&#039;d have their little parties in cheaper, more easily secured locations, which wouldn&#039;t wreck the local economies for days on end.  For example, why on earth was G20 not held at Huntsville, which they just used for G8?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time the Olympics, Gn, GOP/Democratic conventions, etc. assault a city, they first install a comprehensive surveillance/video network.  These networks are never removed.  Also they get training crowd control, sniping civilians from rooftops/helicopters, etc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why they want these things, but clearly they do.  If they didn&#8217;t, they&#8217;d have their little parties in cheaper, more easily secured locations, which wouldn&#8217;t wreck the local economies for days on end.  For example, why on earth was G20 not held at Huntsville, which they just used for G8?</p>
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		<title>By: mindysan33</title>
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		<dc:creator>mindysan33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By austerity, they meant for us, not them.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By austerity, they meant for us, not them.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s all elect more conservatives, yayyyyy!!!</description>
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		<title>By: my2sense</title>
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		<dc:creator>my2sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there and the police cars and streets that were savaged were purposefully left un-policed.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there and the police cars and streets that were savaged were purposefully left un-policed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel I ought to point out a corollary of my comment:

The absence of peace and order on the streets of Canada&#039;s largest city demonstrates that we are suffering through a time of bad government.

Nothing more.
Or less!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel I ought to point out a corollary of my comment:</p>
<p>The absence of peace and order on the streets of Canada&#8217;s largest city demonstrates that we are suffering through a time of bad government.</p>
<p>Nothing more.<br />
Or less!</p>
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		<title>By: mindysan33</title>
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		<dc:creator>mindysan33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I never said you guys aren&#039;t doing real work and I never said anything disparaging about the military or police, as a whole.   However, the military/police are under the realm of the civilian establishment for a reason.  Cops/the military aren&#039;t always defacto good guys because they represent the state.  And pointing out police oppression and mistakes or excesses in military operations is a needed part of the system.  Like it or not, you guys work for us, to protect us, to allow us the freedoms and rights we enjoy. When you retire from the military, you will enjoy those too, and you did before you joined.  Your (all too often underpaid) salaries come out of OUR collective taxes. The respect you deserve is indeed a 2 way street, and protesting like these is indeed part of what you are protecting.  Painting the protests with a broadbrush is just as bad as painting cops/ military with a broadbrush... How do you know that all these protesters, even the anarchist, are clueless trust fund babies?

Is working with authority ALWAYS the right thing to do?  When is it proper to defy authority?  What about when authority is corrupt?  What about those within the military/police apparatus who are defying authority?  Is it always the right thing to do to bow to authority?  

Did any cops get killed?  Can you point to an article on that?  I would feel sorry for the family and expect the perpetrators to be prosecuted.  Ditto on any killed protesters.

I think that if you look at the websites for the MANY organizations attending the protest, you&#039;ll find a whole slew of legitimate protests, and some not so... but that is going to depend on your POV about the issues right?  

Just because a few kids &quot;trashed&quot; the summit (perhaps with the help of provocateurs in some cases?), doesn&#039;t mean that anywhere near the majority did so.  These groups,  no matter who they were or what their goals were, were pushed far away from the meeting, where our leaders were meeting, yours and mine, where they could not be heard.  The media also focused on this to the exclusion of anything meaningful regarding their goals.  Of course, you have not heard what they are protesting, because the media will not report on that, because the media is little more than the public relations arm of the government at this point...  And besides, &quot;if it bleeds, it leads&quot; right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I never said you guys aren&#8217;t doing real work and I never said anything disparaging about the military or police, as a whole.   However, the military/police are under the realm of the civilian establishment for a reason.  Cops/the military aren&#8217;t always defacto good guys because they represent the state.  And pointing out police oppression and mistakes or excesses in military operations is a needed part of the system.  Like it or not, you guys work for us, to protect us, to allow us the freedoms and rights we enjoy. When you retire from the military, you will enjoy those too, and you did before you joined.  Your (all too often underpaid) salaries come out of OUR collective taxes. The respect you deserve is indeed a 2 way street, and protesting like these is indeed part of what you are protecting.  Painting the protests with a broadbrush is just as bad as painting cops/ military with a broadbrush&#8230; How do you know that all these protesters, even the anarchist, are clueless trust fund babies?</p>
<p>Is working with authority ALWAYS the right thing to do?  When is it proper to defy authority?  What about when authority is corrupt?  What about those within the military/police apparatus who are defying authority?  Is it always the right thing to do to bow to authority?  </p>
<p>Did any cops get killed?  Can you point to an article on that?  I would feel sorry for the family and expect the perpetrators to be prosecuted.  Ditto on any killed protesters.</p>
<p>I think that if you look at the websites for the MANY organizations attending the protest, you&#8217;ll find a whole slew of legitimate protests, and some not so&#8230; but that is going to depend on your POV about the issues right?  </p>
<p>Just because a few kids &#8220;trashed&#8221; the summit (perhaps with the help of provocateurs in some cases?), doesn&#8217;t mean that anywhere near the majority did so.  These groups,  no matter who they were or what their goals were, were pushed far away from the meeting, where our leaders were meeting, yours and mine, where they could not be heard.  The media also focused on this to the exclusion of anything meaningful regarding their goals.  Of course, you have not heard what they are protesting, because the media will not report on that, because the media is little more than the public relations arm of the government at this point&#8230;  And besides, &#8220;if it bleeds, it leads&#8221; right?</p>
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		<title>By: theCanuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>theCanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of argument defies logic.  Are we then in need of a police state, to ensure that store windows  don&#039;t get smashed and cars don&#039;t get burned?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of argument defies logic.  Are we then in need of a police state, to ensure that store windows  don&#8217;t get smashed and cars don&#8217;t get burned?  </p>
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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819484</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just now going through the days postings.

Here&#039;s finished video of a videographer being ... well ... assaulted numerous times by the police...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7OA920pbv8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just now going through the days postings.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s finished video of a videographer being &#8230; well &#8230; assaulted numerous times by the police&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7OA920pbv8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7OA920pbv8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; have them in seclusion, though. They happen to do so in the middle of populous cities, but it&#039;s not like the rabble have any eye or voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They <i>already</i> have them in seclusion, though. They happen to do so in the middle of populous cities, but it&#8217;s not like the rabble have any eye or voice.</p>
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		<title>By: mindysan33</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819741</link>
		<dc:creator>mindysan33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya  know... I just find it hard to be outraged by damage done to a massive multi-million (billion?) dollar business. It&#039;s not right perhaps, but I just feel less sympathy for them (or any other multi-national that has the same thing happen to their windows) then I would a smaller business.  How much do you think their replacement cost cuts into their bottom line?  Probably not much, if any...  Was the place open when the window was broken?  Were the employees hurt?  I&#039;m guessing not...

Besides, there was probably a Starbucks right across the street without a broken window!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya  know&#8230; I just find it hard to be outraged by damage done to a massive multi-million (billion?) dollar business. It&#8217;s not right perhaps, but I just feel less sympathy for them (or any other multi-national that has the same thing happen to their windows) then I would a smaller business.  How much do you think their replacement cost cuts into their bottom line?  Probably not much, if any&#8230;  Was the place open when the window was broken?  Were the employees hurt?  I&#8217;m guessing not&#8230;</p>
<p>Besides, there was probably a Starbucks right across the street without a broken window!  </p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you mean to say  - simply - that violence has killed a lot of people, and thereby enabled people to get what they want?
Therefore, that it&#039;s good and acceptable, praiseworthy, even, to use as a tool?
In times of peace?

One must bow to such mastery of moral philosophy.

The same old sad song: The people most in need of being beaten, are invariably the strongest and largest people of all!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you mean to say  &#8211; simply &#8211; that violence has killed a lot of people, and thereby enabled people to get what they want?<br />
Therefore, that it&#8217;s good and acceptable, praiseworthy, even, to use as a tool?<br />
In times of peace?</p>
<p>One must bow to such mastery of moral philosophy.</p>
<p>The same old sad song: The people most in need of being beaten, are invariably the strongest and largest people of all!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819487</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the people who tried to make it happen peacefully, and whose voices aren&#039;t being heard:

http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/06/g20_protest_messages_overshadowed_by_violence_and_arrests/

And why corral and hold people like animals, in the rain, for 3hours?

http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/06/police_trap_g20_protesters_at_queen_and_spadina/

Many questions need to be answered.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the people who tried to make it happen peacefully, and whose voices aren&#8217;t being heard:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/06/g20_protest_messages_overshadowed_by_violence_and_arrests/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/06/g20_protest_messages_overshadowed_by_violence_and_arrests/</a></p>
<p>And why corral and hold people like animals, in the rain, for 3hours?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/06/police_trap_g20_protesters_at_queen_and_spadina/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/06/police_trap_g20_protesters_at_queen_and_spadina/</a></p>
<p>Many questions need to be answered.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819748</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed petty property damage.
And were those cruisers destroyed, partly due to police negligence?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed petty property damage.<br />
And were those cruisers destroyed, partly due to police negligence?</p>
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		<title>By: Heartfruit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819496</link>
		<dc:creator>Heartfruit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No body wins.

Store owners (many of whom were small family businesses not multinational corporations) get their stores trashed.  

Police are simultaneously accused of not doing enough and doing too much.

The majority of protesters do were there to spread a message they care deeply loose any chance they have because they are over shadowed by the violence.

Seriously, next year the G20 leaders should invest in some decent teleconferencing software and saved us all the trouble.  I doubt any of them will live up to any commitments made at this weekend the moment they aren&#039;t in their own country&#039;s best interest.

I am simultaneously outraged and saddened by what has occurred to my city this weekend.  We didn&#039;t ask for this.  It&#039;s not something we bid for or invited in.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No body wins.</p>
<p>Store owners (many of whom were small family businesses not multinational corporations) get their stores trashed.  </p>
<p>Police are simultaneously accused of not doing enough and doing too much.</p>
<p>The majority of protesters do were there to spread a message they care deeply loose any chance they have because they are over shadowed by the violence.</p>
<p>Seriously, next year the G20 leaders should invest in some decent teleconferencing software and saved us all the trouble.  I doubt any of them will live up to any commitments made at this weekend the moment they aren&#8217;t in their own country&#8217;s best interest.</p>
<p>I am simultaneously outraged and saddened by what has occurred to my city this weekend.  We didn&#8217;t ask for this.  It&#8217;s not something we bid for or invited in.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is crazy. Even crazier, I wouldn&#039;t of known about this from reading the major news sites. Why isn&#039;t this in mainstream media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is crazy. Even crazier, I wouldn&#8217;t of known about this from reading the major news sites. Why isn&#8217;t this in mainstream media?</p>
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		<title>By: dculberson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819500</link>
		<dc:creator>dculberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the video theCanuck linked to - Great, smash up businesses, you trust fund bottom feeders.  Maybe mom should withhold the teat so you learn what it&#039;s like to have to make a living.

I&#039;m all for peaceful protest.  But what those &quot;black block&quot; people are doing is wrong, very wrong.  They&#039;re costing themselves and their fellow citizens more in freedoms and actual dollars than they could ever gain with their wankery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the video theCanuck linked to &#8211; Great, smash up businesses, you trust fund bottom feeders.  Maybe mom should withhold the teat so you learn what it&#8217;s like to have to make a living.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for peaceful protest.  But what those &#8220;black block&#8221; people are doing is wrong, very wrong.  They&#8217;re costing themselves and their fellow citizens more in freedoms and actual dollars than they could ever gain with their wankery.</p>
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		<title>By: mindysan33</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/27/just-a-mellow-day-at.html#comment-819756</link>
		<dc:creator>mindysan33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suspect that part of the point was to discredit the protest by highlighting the violence against property by some.  It gives them a reasonable defense for any use of force used against the protesters.  Let them smash up some windows somewhere without cops, safely away from the target area, and you have a nice bit of propaganda to show how &quot;violent&quot; the protesters really are.  It also works to break up the coherence of the group, since the protesters all have different methods and agendas which they bring to the table.  If one group goes off message, then other groups might get pissed, and then you have the beginning of fear uncertainty and doubt amongst the group as whole... 

You point out the peaceful tea party protest, but you could point to many other peaceful protests as well, who get much less media attention for their peaceful and lawful actions.  A friend who protested the war was rather frustrated by the tea party coverage, while the only time the anti-war lot got coverage a few years ago was when violence occurred...  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suspect that part of the point was to discredit the protest by highlighting the violence against property by some.  It gives them a reasonable defense for any use of force used against the protesters.  Let them smash up some windows somewhere without cops, safely away from the target area, and you have a nice bit of propaganda to show how &#8220;violent&#8221; the protesters really are.  It also works to break up the coherence of the group, since the protesters all have different methods and agendas which they bring to the table.  If one group goes off message, then other groups might get pissed, and then you have the beginning of fear uncertainty and doubt amongst the group as whole&#8230; </p>
<p>You point out the peaceful tea party protest, but you could point to many other peaceful protests as well, who get much less media attention for their peaceful and lawful actions.  A friend who protested the war was rather frustrated by the tea party coverage, while the only time the anti-war lot got coverage a few years ago was when violence occurred&#8230;  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually most Toronto PD have stood by a watched the place burn down.  Nothing like a bunch of spoiled middle and upper class twits breaking other people&#039;s stuff (and probably putting more than a few workers out of work for weeks.

The police arrest and abuse Guardina reporters doing nothing and stand by and let the brave masked ones go on.  Shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually most Toronto PD have stood by a watched the place burn down.  Nothing like a bunch of spoiled middle and upper class twits breaking other people&#8217;s stuff (and probably putting more than a few workers out of work for weeks.</p>
<p>The police arrest and abuse Guardina reporters doing nothing and stand by and let the brave masked ones go on.  Shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just shocking - I am appalled both by the (few) violent protesters and the actions of the police. I do have to wonder if some of the &quot;black bloc&quot; hooligans were actually undercover agents deliberately trying to instigate violence to take focus off the message of the peaceful protesters, as this is a tactic which has been used by Canadian law enforcement in the past. (link: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html).

On a lighter note, this video from yesterday&#039;s G8 protests was quite funny and cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fhGneV6rQg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just shocking &#8211; I am appalled both by the (few) violent protesters and the actions of the police. I do have to wonder if some of the &#8220;black bloc&#8221; hooligans were actually undercover agents deliberately trying to instigate violence to take focus off the message of the peaceful protesters, as this is a tactic which has been used by Canadian law enforcement in the past. (link: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html</a>).</p>
<p>On a lighter note, this video from yesterday&#8217;s G8 protests was quite funny and cute.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fhGneV6rQg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fhGneV6rQg</a></p>
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