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		<title>By: hubbledeej</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819713</link>
		<dc:creator>hubbledeej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link.  I&#039;m happy to see an alternative source of news on this, as I&#039;ve been abstaining from mainstream news recently motivated, as one of your commenters already said, because of the CBC&#039;s &quot;tedious, uninformative coverage.&quot;  My feeling exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.  I&#8217;m happy to see an alternative source of news on this, as I&#8217;ve been abstaining from mainstream news recently motivated, as one of your commenters already said, because of the CBC&#8217;s &#8220;tedious, uninformative coverage.&#8221;  My feeling exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Typhoon_</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819717</link>
		<dc:creator>Typhoon_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A city burns? Rather an overdeveloped sense of drama.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A city burns? Rather an overdeveloped sense of drama.</p>
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		<title>By: MrJM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819718</link>
		<dc:creator>MrJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame the Americans.</description>
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		<title>By: Gainclone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819719</link>
		<dc:creator>Gainclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you just gotta switch to autofocus...

Seriously, though, this is some impressive video. Quite brave, and very interesting to watch.

Whoever torched that cop car should be ashamed. All of that black smoke from the burning plastic and what-not... What good is that going to do? I can think of better things to ignite at times like this... If G20 were G420, we wouldn&#039;t be having this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you just gotta switch to autofocus&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, though, this is some impressive video. Quite brave, and very interesting to watch.</p>
<p>Whoever torched that cop car should be ashamed. All of that black smoke from the burning plastic and what-not&#8230; What good is that going to do? I can think of better things to ignite at times like this&#8230; If G20 were G420, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819722</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police are not free agents. They act under direction. The police are representatives of the state. 

Other than occasional acts by wayward officers, the manner in which the police behave can be said with reasonable certainty to directly equate to the government&#039;s attitude toward the people and respect for their freedoms and their rights.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police are not free agents. They act under direction. The police are representatives of the state. </p>
<p>Other than occasional acts by wayward officers, the manner in which the police behave can be said with reasonable certainty to directly equate to the government&#8217;s attitude toward the people and respect for their freedoms and their rights.</p>
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		<title>By: north</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819723</link>
		<dc:creator>north</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice that they waited until they finished the song before they charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice that they waited until they finished the song before they charged.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819724</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone needs to remind these goons that they&#039;re paid to protect the people they&#039;re charging.

What a bunch of cocks.  Paid or not they&#039;re clearly a poor excuse for human beings.  I know policemen that refuse to do work like this on the principal that they don&#039;t agree with it (UK); I&#039;m not sure if the Canadian police have the same freedom (which of course they should), if so then they&#039;re even bigger dicks than I first thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to remind these goons that they&#8217;re paid to protect the people they&#8217;re charging.</p>
<p>What a bunch of cocks.  Paid or not they&#8217;re clearly a poor excuse for human beings.  I know policemen that refuse to do work like this on the principal that they don&#8217;t agree with it (UK); I&#8217;m not sure if the Canadian police have the same freedom (which of course they should), if so then they&#8217;re even bigger dicks than I first thought.</p>
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		<title>By: schmeis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819727</link>
		<dc:creator>schmeis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another view of the attack: http://www.vimeo.com/12903946</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another view of the attack: <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/12903946" rel="nofollow">http://www.vimeo.com/12903946</a></p>
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		<title>By: JustOk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819729</link>
		<dc:creator>JustOk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Game on once the anthem&#039;s done. Cops thought they were playing hockey.</description>
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		<title>By: Typhoon_</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819731</link>
		<dc:creator>Typhoon_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they are Canadian after all.</description>
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		<title>By: Zandelion</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819736</link>
		<dc:creator>Zandelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone needs to read this account of human rights violations in the giant temporary jail:

http://lexgill.com/2010/06/28/urgent-conditions-at-629-eastern-ave-illegal-immoral-dangerous/

Amongst other things, &quot;queer detainees reported to have been transferred to a Segregated Zone.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone needs to read this account of human rights violations in the giant temporary jail:</p>
<p><a href="http://lexgill.com/2010/06/28/urgent-conditions-at-629-eastern-ave-illegal-immoral-dangerous/" rel="nofollow">http://lexgill.com/2010/06/28/urgent-conditions-at-629-eastern-ave-illegal-immoral-dangerous/</a></p>
<p>Amongst other things, &#8220;queer detainees reported to have been transferred to a Segregated Zone.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: loraksus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-820261</link>
		<dc:creator>loraksus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF? Clapping sounds like gunshots?
Fail.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF? Clapping sounds like gunshots?<br />
Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Enoch_Root</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819750</link>
		<dc:creator>Enoch_Root</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I don&#039;t like this on a visceral level. Its obviously just unsettling, especially since the protesters are so sedate. There isn&#039;t even much shouting.

My only beef with the coverage is that it is called an &quot;attack&quot; or similar. From that video and the overhead shot its clear that it isn&#039;t much of an attack. I see a couple guys in the front of the protesters get pushed with riot shields but they don&#039;t fall over. One cop falls down from shoving a someone. That is pretty much the extent of the &quot;violence.&quot; The police don&#039;t even seem to have billy clubs out.

So what it looks like is peaceful protesters pushed back without any real violence and a new line established. They don&#039;t arrest anyone. They don&#039;t even chase the protesters very far (half a block? one block?).

Did the police just push the crowd back? Was anyone injured? Arrested? Despite the dramatic look of the thing it was pretty sedate as far as protests go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I don&#8217;t like this on a visceral level. Its obviously just unsettling, especially since the protesters are so sedate. There isn&#8217;t even much shouting.</p>
<p>My only beef with the coverage is that it is called an &#8220;attack&#8221; or similar. From that video and the overhead shot its clear that it isn&#8217;t much of an attack. I see a couple guys in the front of the protesters get pushed with riot shields but they don&#8217;t fall over. One cop falls down from shoving a someone. That is pretty much the extent of the &#8220;violence.&#8221; The police don&#8217;t even seem to have billy clubs out.</p>
<p>So what it looks like is peaceful protesters pushed back without any real violence and a new line established. They don&#8217;t arrest anyone. They don&#8217;t even chase the protesters very far (half a block? one block?).</p>
<p>Did the police just push the crowd back? Was anyone injured? Arrested? Despite the dramatic look of the thing it was pretty sedate as far as protests go.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819761</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best comment ever!  Haha.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819771</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the message is that when those in power are gathering, the true power is brute force.

Funny how little the structures of power change in comparison to the society around it. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the message is that when those in power are gathering, the true power is brute force.</p>
<p>Funny how little the structures of power change in comparison to the society around it. </p>
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		<title>By: flink</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819788</link>
		<dc:creator>flink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sad to see this happen. What sort of governmental processes are at work in Canada, the US, and other countries that make singing a country&#039;s national anthem grounds to be attacked by armed hooligans and thugs?

Perhaps those black-shirted thugs would have been more comfortable hearing the crowd singing &quot;Horst-Wessel-Lied?&quot;

The police in almost all western countries are transforming themselves in something very much like Hitler&#039;s brown-shirts, merely enforcer&#039;s of the politicians&#039; goals than protectors of the citizenry.

NOTE: Go to the Torontoist site for more details, pix, and vids.

A couple years back I didn&#039;t quite understand how anyone could put a &quot;Vote from the rootops&quot; bompersticker on their car. 

Now I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sad to see this happen. What sort of governmental processes are at work in Canada, the US, and other countries that make singing a country&#8217;s national anthem grounds to be attacked by armed hooligans and thugs?</p>
<p>Perhaps those black-shirted thugs would have been more comfortable hearing the crowd singing &#8220;Horst-Wessel-Lied?&#8221;</p>
<p>The police in almost all western countries are transforming themselves in something very much like Hitler&#8217;s brown-shirts, merely enforcer&#8217;s of the politicians&#8217; goals than protectors of the citizenry.</p>
<p>NOTE: Go to the Torontoist site for more details, pix, and vids.</p>
<p>A couple years back I didn&#8217;t quite understand how anyone could put a &#8220;Vote from the rootops&#8221; bompersticker on their car. </p>
<p>Now I do.</p>
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		<title>By: burnt sphere</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819790</link>
		<dc:creator>burnt sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think the tab for security was big, wait &#039;til the tab for the cleanup gets announced. And with the HST kicking in on Thursday... UGH!!!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think the tab for security was big, wait &#8217;til the tab for the cleanup gets announced. And with the HST kicking in on Thursday&#8230; UGH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gisburne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819798</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisburne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have a breakdown of this &#039;billion dollars&#039;? Even if you gave 10,000 officers $10,000 dollars each (on top of their existing salary, which you can&#039;t count - they would get that anyway) that&#039;s still only 10% of a billion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have a breakdown of this &#8216;billion dollars&#8217;? Even if you gave 10,000 officers $10,000 dollars each (on top of their existing salary, which you can&#8217;t count &#8211; they would get that anyway) that&#8217;s still only 10% of a billion.</p>
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		<title>By: MadRat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-821593</link>
		<dc:creator>MadRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the ACTA conference was getting this kind of attention.</description>
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		<title>By: JohnCJ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819818</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red rover, red rover, send the fascists over. </description>
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		<title>By: Gorgonzilla</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819828</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorgonzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems there might be a more simple explanation to what happened.  It doesn&#039;t look like they waited for the anthem to finish to charge.  If you notice, after the anthem, someone starts clapping.  Clapping can sound very similar to gunshots, especially in a place with live acoustics (like a city street).  It might have been that the cops were in &quot;standby mode&quot; mentally, and the clapping sent them straight into &quot;soldier mode.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems there might be a more simple explanation to what happened.  It doesn&#8217;t look like they waited for the anthem to finish to charge.  If you notice, after the anthem, someone starts clapping.  Clapping can sound very similar to gunshots, especially in a place with live acoustics (like a city street).  It might have been that the cops were in &#8220;standby mode&#8221; mentally, and the clapping sent them straight into &#8220;soldier mode.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819848</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just hoping there&#039;s a Pershing Park style class action lawsuit:
http://www.pershingparksettlement.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just hoping there&#8217;s a Pershing Park style class action lawsuit:<br />
<a href="http://www.pershingparksettlement.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pershingparksettlement.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: j_king</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819889</link>
		<dc:creator>j_king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you had here were two large groups of people waiting for a potential conflict and nobody using their heads.

I get the sense from the coverage official or otherwise that the majority of people involved in the atrocious events this weekend weren&#039;t there for political demonstration (peaceful or otherwise). Try counting all of the cameras being used in this video. Seems like most people were there to get a good story.

Sadly the mainstream media practically ignored any political messages from the peaceful demonstrations. They were drowned out by the hooligans and animosity happening in conflicts like the one shown in the video. What was the point of being there on that day in direct opposition to the advice from security personel? Besides, as another commentor points out -- I hardly see any signs of brutality or excessive violence being used.

What has anyone taken away from these demonstrations? The police forces are only going to be demonized by coverage claiming brutality and excessive force but lacking any evidence. Of course, if there were cases where the police acted inappropriately, I do hope that they are investigated and punishment appropriately applied.

The sad thing about this whole weekend has been the pointlessness of it all. I got an invitation to join a rally a week prior, but shook my head at it&#039;s call to action: fight oppression! Take back the streets! From what? Who is oppressing me?

Clearly no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you had here were two large groups of people waiting for a potential conflict and nobody using their heads.</p>
<p>I get the sense from the coverage official or otherwise that the majority of people involved in the atrocious events this weekend weren&#8217;t there for political demonstration (peaceful or otherwise). Try counting all of the cameras being used in this video. Seems like most people were there to get a good story.</p>
<p>Sadly the mainstream media practically ignored any political messages from the peaceful demonstrations. They were drowned out by the hooligans and animosity happening in conflicts like the one shown in the video. What was the point of being there on that day in direct opposition to the advice from security personel? Besides, as another commentor points out &#8212; I hardly see any signs of brutality or excessive violence being used.</p>
<p>What has anyone taken away from these demonstrations? The police forces are only going to be demonized by coverage claiming brutality and excessive force but lacking any evidence. Of course, if there were cases where the police acted inappropriately, I do hope that they are investigated and punishment appropriately applied.</p>
<p>The sad thing about this whole weekend has been the pointlessness of it all. I got an invitation to join a rally a week prior, but shook my head at it&#8217;s call to action: fight oppression! Take back the streets! From what? Who is oppressing me?</p>
<p>Clearly no one.</p>
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		<title>By: boingaddict</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819703</link>
		<dc:creator>boingaddict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so this is taxpayer money in use aaaaah.  1 billion dollars spend by harper gov on security for this.  So now i know how a rape victim feels....who voted for those clowns, i sure didn&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so this is taxpayer money in use aaaaah.  1 billion dollars spend by harper gov on security for this.  So now i know how a rape victim feels&#8230;.who voted for those clowns, i sure didn&#8217;t</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/06/28/excellent-g20-covera.html#comment-819705</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how else are you suppose to impress all your rich friends?

Nothing better then relaxing in a hotel while a city burns on the horizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how else are you suppose to impress all your rich friends?</p>
<p>Nothing better then relaxing in a hotel while a city burns on the horizon.</p>
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