Comments on: Prince: "The internet's completely over." http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 16:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-827650 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-827650 Prince... is he still around? Who knew? Prince… is he still around? Who knew?

]]> By: brix http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826115 brix Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826115 this is actually sort of consistent with what prince has been up to since back when you first couldn't pronounce his name. the whole shift to, and then back from, the o}-> thing was at least in part motivated by disputes with record companies who owned the rights to the name of Prince. it just turns out that prince might be driven, not so much by a principled stand against the record industry, as by a self-involvement so profound that he's managed to overlook some rather substantive differences between The Internet and MTV, as social phenomena. new marketing slogan: MTV: Will Not Fill Your Head With Numbers. this is actually sort of consistent with what prince has been up to since back when you first couldn’t pronounce his name.

the whole shift to, and then back from, the o}-> thing was at least in part motivated by disputes with record companies who owned the rights to the name of Prince.

it just turns out that prince might be driven, not so much by a principled stand against the record industry, as by a self-involvement so profound that he’s managed to overlook some rather substantive differences between The Internet and MTV, as social phenomena.

new marketing slogan:
MTV: Will Not Fill Your Head With Numbers.

]]> By: Xopher http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826629 Xopher Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826629 This is what happens when you surround yourself by sycophants, fire anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear, and live for years with no feedback. He's not just an eccentric. He's a wealthy loser. This is what happens when you surround yourself by sycophants, fire anyone who tells you something you don’t want to hear, and live for years with no feedback.

He’s not just an eccentric. He’s a wealthy loser.

]]> By: thequickbrownfox http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826118 thequickbrownfox Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826118 *throws shoes at whatever-his-name-is* *throws shoes at whatever-his-name-is*

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826374 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826374 The monetary system's completely over. I don't see why I should sell my new music to iTunes or anyone else. They won't pay me an advance for it and then they get angry when they can't get it. The monetary system's like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these banks and digital automatic transfer machines are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you. The monetary system’s completely over. I don’t see why I should sell my new music to iTunes or anyone else. They won’t pay me an advance for it and then they get angry when they can’t get it. The monetary system’s like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these banks and digital automatic transfer machines are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can’t be good for you.

]]> By: Brainspore http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826120 Brainspore Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826120 <blockquote>As a marketing tactic, this doesn't work very well as Prince is refusing to sell his album. </blockquote> Maybe his long-term goal isn't to make money off this particular album but to build hype for his music in general. More people thinking/talking/blogging about Prince means more ticket sales for Prince concerts and more likely buyers of future albums.

As a marketing tactic, this doesn’t work very well as Prince is refusing to sell his album.

Maybe his long-term goal isn’t to make money off this particular album but to build hype for his music in general. More people thinking/talking/blogging about Prince means more ticket sales for Prince concerts and more likely buyers of future albums.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-828937 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-828937 Internet: "Prince is completely over. Internet: “Prince is completely over.

]]> By: Kragshot http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826379 Kragshot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826379 This is the same guy who openly denied the relevance and influence of the "Guitar Hero"/"Rock Band" franchise of games in influencing young people to get back into music. Instead of allowing his music to be used in a Guitar Hero expansion, which would have opened his best stuff to a new generation of listeners who would have most likely went out and bought more of his music (i.e. Aerosmith, ACDC), he played the "cantankerous old man" role and "pooh-poohed" all over the offer. His relevance to today's musical environment is steadily shrinking...soon, he'll be doing those dusties/retro act tours on cruse ships that are organized by Tom Joyner or Sinbad...you know the ones. The tours that cater to folks over 60, trying to relive their youth through the music they listened to when they were young. Sad and pathetic.... This is the same guy who openly denied the relevance and influence of the “Guitar Hero”/”Rock Band” franchise of games in influencing young people to get back into music.

Instead of allowing his music to be used in a Guitar Hero expansion, which would have opened his best stuff to a new generation of listeners who would have most likely went out and bought more of his music (i.e. Aerosmith, ACDC), he played the “cantankerous old man” role and “pooh-poohed” all over the offer.

His relevance to today’s musical environment is steadily shrinking…soon, he’ll be doing those dusties/retro act tours on cruse ships that are organized by Tom Joyner or Sinbad…you know the ones. The tours that cater to folks over 60, trying to relive their youth through the music they listened to when they were young.

Sad and pathetic….

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-827403 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-827403 Well to be honest I've kinda felt the same way about the 'net since Usenet got wound up. And the way people get sued and sometimes jailed for internet activities is a change, too - those things never used to happen, either. So, Prince does indeed have a point: the internet, like rock'n'roll, simply isn't the latest hot new outside rebel thing no more. And to that extent, it IS over. It's become mature. Like this music here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvaH8bPkWD4&feature=related Well to be honest I’ve kinda felt the same way about the ‘net since Usenet got wound up. And the way people get sued and sometimes jailed for internet activities is a change, too – those things never used to happen, either.

So, Prince does indeed have a point: the internet, like rock’n'roll, simply isn’t the latest hot new outside rebel thing no more. And to that extent, it IS over.

It’s become mature.
Like this music here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvaH8bPkWD4&feature=related

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-828939 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-828939 right now it looks like that he only wants to make money out of his music instead of sharing it to let everyone listen to it and get more fans, but it's his own decision. right now it looks like that he only wants to make money out of his music instead of sharing it to let everyone listen to it and get more fans, but it’s his own decision.

]]> By: Gordon Stark http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-827412 Gordon Stark Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-827412 He says: "The internet's completely over. Actually, the independent artist formerly marketed as Prince is making a very good point, and observation, worthy of much closer scrutiny, apart from the initial immediate apparent absurdity of his statement. In 1999, mp3com was rocking, and the internet became the new hub of music distribution on a level global playing field, and the future was wide open for all independent artists, and then big record companies proceeded with their covert war on independent artists: In the past 10 years, the promise which the internet presented to independent artists is over. With Data from Gideon, at ArtistServer.com: Closed/Shut Down/Destroyed Between - 2001-2010 (Partial List) ============================================== MP3.com AmpCast.com Epitonic.com BeSonic.com IUMA.com Riffage.com THeDnB.com JavaMusic.com ZeBox.com FunEnder.com MusicV2.com SonicGarden.com Music.Download.com GarageBand.com - (July 15th, 2010) Still running: (Partial List) ================================= ArtistLaunch.com ArtistServer.com AudioStreet.net BroadJam.com DMusic.com Jamendo.com LastFm.com MySpace.com ProjectOpus.com PureVolume.com ReverbNation.com SoundClick.com SoundLift.com SoundCloud.com The Latest Independent Artist site to be shut down is GarageBand.com, which is scheduled to shudder it's former vast mp3com community on the 15th of this July, scattering and shattering the community once again, and for the second time. Prince makes a very good point... The Internet is over. Sure, it's still operating, but the promise was killed, and the high traffic channels have all been tied down, and access to the masses by independent artists via the net has been strategically engineered out of their reach by the rich competing music Cartels, which target the infrastructure used by the Independent Music Industry to compete. Certainly, when Prince says "the internet is over", what he is referring to, is over. The promise that it held, the excitement, the gathering of stars, only to be scattered time and again by the multinational anti-competative Non-Independent Music Industry which has continued it's brute strength covert assault upon all it's competition and customers on the internet. In spirit, Prince is precisely correct about the net thing. A more translatable expression however, may have been, that the excitement about the net, and it's promise, are over, and it's now just more highly controlled media, up now, but the sparkle is gone. Help Support and Promote Independent Artists! He says: “The internet’s completely over.

Actually, the independent artist formerly marketed as Prince is making a very good point, and observation, worthy of much closer scrutiny, apart from the initial immediate apparent absurdity of his statement.

In 1999, mp3com was rocking, and the internet became the new hub of music distribution on a level global playing field, and the future was wide open for all independent artists, and then big record companies proceeded with their covert war on independent artists:

In the past 10 years, the promise which the internet presented to independent artists is over.

With Data from Gideon, at ArtistServer.com:

Closed/Shut Down/Destroyed Between – 2001-2010 (Partial List)
==============================================
MP3.com
AmpCast.com
Epitonic.com
BeSonic.com
IUMA.com
Riffage.com
THeDnB.com
JavaMusic.com
ZeBox.com
FunEnder.com
MusicV2.com
SonicGarden.com
Music.Download.com
GarageBand.com – (July 15th, 2010)

Still running: (Partial List)
=================================
ArtistLaunch.com
ArtistServer.com
AudioStreet.net
BroadJam.com
DMusic.com
Jamendo.com
LastFm.com
MySpace.com
ProjectOpus.com
PureVolume.com
ReverbNation.com
SoundClick.com
SoundLift.com
SoundCloud.com

The Latest Independent Artist site to be shut down is GarageBand.com, which is scheduled to shudder it’s former vast mp3com community on the 15th of this July, scattering and shattering the
community once again, and for the second time.

Prince makes a very good point…

The Internet is over.

Sure, it’s still operating, but the promise was killed, and the high traffic channels have all been tied down, and access to the masses by independent artists via the net has been strategically engineered out of their reach by the rich competing music Cartels, which target the infrastructure used by the Independent Music Industry to compete.

Certainly, when Prince says “the internet is over”, what he is referring to, is over. The promise that it held, the excitement, the gathering of stars, only to be scattered time and again by the multinational anti-competative Non-Independent Music Industry which has continued it’s brute strength covert assault upon all it’s competition and customers on the internet.

In spirit, Prince is precisely correct about the net thing. A more translatable expression however, may have been, that the excitement about the net, and it’s promise, are over, and it’s now just more highly controlled media, up now, but the sparkle is gone.

Help Support and Promote Independent Artists!

]]> By: AirPillo http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826134 AirPillo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826134 <blockquote> Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you.</blockquote> Well, good to see successful people have such a high opinion of numeracy. [/sarcasm]

Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can’t be good for you.

Well, good to see successful people have such a high opinion of numeracy.
[/sarcasm]

]]> By: bardfinn http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-830232 bardfinn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-830232 "I'd be surprised if you could name anyone who has more experience of distributing music on the web." Do you feel small? Do you feel like nothing? Do you feel like you're wasting your time? Can you stand sunlight? Do you feel too much? How will you know when you're broken? *coughcoughcough* “I’d be surprised if you could name anyone who has more experience of distributing music on the web.”

Do you feel small?
Do you feel like nothing?
Do you feel like you’re wasting your time?

Can you stand sunlight?
Do you feel too much?
How will you know when you’re broken?

*coughcoughcough*

]]> By: S2 http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-827676 S2 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-827676 Ars Technica nailed it with this headline: <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/internet-over-outta-time-prince-releases-tunes-like-its-1999.ars">Internet over, outta time: Prince releases tunes like it's 1999</a> ;-) Ars Technica nailed it with this headline: Internet over, outta time: Prince releases tunes like it’s 1999 ;-)

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826397 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826397 Well I agree with most of what you said...but don't be knocking what the oldsters are up to until your odometer reads like theirs do. At different ages, people are subject to different levels of hormonal activity, as well as differing levels of neural plasticity and/or musculo-skeletal flexibility. Don't judge the old by the standards appropriate to youth, in other words. Cut them some slack. And it's surprising to me how often the old, in turn, need to be reminded not to judge youth by their own present standards, the fruits of their own lessons of experience. They should know, that youth needs to make mistakes for itself, if it is to profit from the experience. And experience counts, for far more than the non-experienced can know. Are you experienced? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjyXsIYAp8o Well I agree with most of what you said…but don’t be knocking what the oldsters are up to until your odometer reads like theirs do.
At different ages, people are subject to different levels of hormonal activity, as well as differing levels of neural plasticity and/or musculo-skeletal flexibility.
Don’t judge the old by the standards appropriate to youth, in other words. Cut them some slack.
And it’s surprising to me how often the old, in turn, need to be reminded not to judge youth by their own present standards, the fruits of their own lessons of experience.
They should know, that youth needs to make mistakes for itself, if it is to profit from the experience.

And experience counts, for far more than the non-experienced can know.

Are you experienced?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjyXsIYAp8o

]]> By: Stooge http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826143 Stooge Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826143 <blockquote>What I'm still waiting for to be over is our paying attention to celebrities' opinions on matters that they don't know crap about</blockquote> You evidently don't know crap about Prince. I'd be surprised if you could name anyone who has more experience of distributing music on the web: his (and <i>the</i>) first web-only album was released two years before Napster was born.

What I’m still waiting for to be over is our paying attention to celebrities’ opinions on matters that they don’t know crap about

You evidently don’t know crap about Prince. I’d be surprised if you could name anyone who has more experience of distributing music on the web: his (and the) first web-only album was released two years before Napster was born.

]]> By: Suds http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826401 Suds Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826401 Nah, He's trolling us all! Prince WANTS us to have it for free. He also wants us to want it. The best way to make people want something... Tell them they Can't have it! (while giving it away to others) If I wanted to release an album on bit-torrent, this is precisely how I would do it. All the distribution cost are on the fans and FREE hype! Nah, He’s trolling us all! Prince WANTS us to have it for free. He also wants us to want it. The best way to make people want something… Tell them they Can’t have it! (while giving it away to others)
If I wanted to release an album on bit-torrent, this is precisely how I would do it. All the distribution cost are on the fans and FREE hype!

]]> By: highlyverbal http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826156 highlyverbal Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826156 "Off hand, I suspect you've probably just assured yourself of a net loss, however." Net loss! Good one. “Off hand, I suspect you’ve probably just assured yourself of a net loss, however.”

Net loss! Good one.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826158 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826158 Marketing tactic, plain and simple. Marketing tactic, plain and simple.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826927 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826927 "I'd be surprised if you could name anyone who has more experience of distributing music on the web" Jon Luini (co-founder of IUMA, the Internet Underground Music Archive -- the first such web site, back in the mid 90's ... and numerous other online music organizations; currently, as owner of chime.com, has worked with numerous high profile artists with their web presence). In fact, I'll turn it back on you: I doubt you'd be able to name anyone who knows more about, or has more experience, distributing music on the web than Jon. “I’d be surprised if you could name anyone who has more experience of distributing music on the web”

Jon Luini (co-founder of IUMA, the Internet Underground Music Archive — the first such web site, back in the mid 90′s … and numerous other online music organizations; currently, as owner of chime.com, has worked with numerous high profile artists with their web presence).

In fact, I’ll turn it back on you: I doubt you’d be able to name anyone who knows more about, or has more experience, distributing music on the web than Jon.

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826417 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826417 Hype wants to be free. Hype wants to be free.

]]> By: pst314 http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-827953 pst314 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-827953 "They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you." There's a string in the middle of Prince's back, and if you pull it he says "Math is hard!". “They just fill your head with numbers and that can’t be good for you.”

There’s a string in the middle of Prince’s back, and if you pull it he says “Math is hard!”.

]]> By: LX http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826162 LX Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826162 Prince was cool before the internet. So were other musicians who think they are above their listeners. Now that the internet connects artists and consumers, he's just over and out. Prince was cool before the internet. So were other musicians who think they are above their listeners. Now that the internet connects artists and consumers, he’s just over and out.

]]> By: scifijazznik http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826164 scifijazznik Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826164 Christ, what an asshole. Christ, what an asshole.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826679 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826679 Because of this, I will now download his album via bittorrent and not listen to it. Because of this, I will now download his album via bittorrent and not listen to it.

]]> By: inveigle http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826938 inveigle Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826938 This is what it sounds like when doves cry. This is what it sounds like when doves cry.

]]> By: Patrick Dodds http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826171 Patrick Dodds Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826171 Last time it was free with the Daily Mail if I remember rightly - the only time I have ever bought that piece of garbage (and no, it wasn't worth it, sadly - the glory days of his princeness are long gone, though they really were glorious). Last time it was free with the Daily Mail if I remember rightly – the only time I have ever bought that piece of garbage (and no, it wasn’t worth it, sadly – the glory days of his princeness are long gone, though they really were glorious).

]]> By: nixiebunny http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826178 nixiebunny Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826178 If the Internet is over, why are we reading about this here? If the Internet is over, why are we reading about this here?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-827459 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-827459 Internet over? I'm sure his favorite musical instrument is made from a broom stick, wash tub and a string. Internet over? I’m sure his favorite musical instrument is made from a broom stick, wash tub and a string.

]]> By: Felton http://boingboing.net/2010/07/05/prince-the-internets.html#comment-826180 Felton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-826180 I fear that we, as denizens of the web, are now obsolete. After all, Prince says so, and who are we to argue with royalty? I fear that we, as denizens of the web, are now obsolete. After all, Prince says so, and who are we to argue with royalty?

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