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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-872960</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lived there 18 years after I went there to teach English. I think Tonoharu depicts a very selfish , one sided picture of Japan. It is a beautiful country with a lot of nice people and has its share of problem just like any place else. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lived there 18 years after I went there to teach English. I think Tonoharu depicts a very selfish , one sided picture of Japan. It is a beautiful country with a lot of nice people and has its share of problem just like any place else. </p>
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		<title>By: Flying_Monkey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-872465</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying_Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that are two kinds of posters on this thread: those who recognise their experiences as theirs, can see their limitations, and are happy to learn from the experiences of others too; and those who seem to think that their experiences are general or universal and therefore that other experiences are bound to be &#039;wrong&#039; or result from a lesser knowledge of Japan. 

Most of the experiences we have are at least partially dependent on the position we occupy, and we are seen to be. Now I am a professor and researcher who does work in Japan, I am in a totally different social position and have had very different interactions and experiences than back when I was a JET teacher. If I was a factory worker or a nighclub host or doorman, they&#039;d be very different again. They&#039;d all be experiences of Japan, but not remotely generalisable to the others. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that are two kinds of posters on this thread: those who recognise their experiences as theirs, can see their limitations, and are happy to learn from the experiences of others too; and those who seem to think that their experiences are general or universal and therefore that other experiences are bound to be &#8216;wrong&#8217; or result from a lesser knowledge of Japan. </p>
<p>Most of the experiences we have are at least partially dependent on the position we occupy, and we are seen to be. Now I am a professor and researcher who does work in Japan, I am in a totally different social position and have had very different interactions and experiences than back when I was a JET teacher. If I was a factory worker or a nighclub host or doorman, they&#8217;d be very different again. They&#8217;d all be experiences of Japan, but not remotely generalisable to the others. </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-871698</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To me, Tokyo is no different than Chicago or Seattle...&quot;

All three places are wildly different to me. That&#039;s why I enjoy traveling.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To me, Tokyo is no different than Chicago or Seattle&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>All three places are wildly different to me. That&#8217;s why I enjoy traveling.</p>
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		<title>By: Spoon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-872211</link>
		<dc:creator>Spoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unless you are black, that comes off as an awfully ignorant comparison.&quot; 

Funny man! I don&#039;t quite get what you mean though, as I stated that I was white in my post. So you must mean...

A. My statements would only be valid if I was black.
B. If I&#039;m black, anything that I say is beyond questioning.
C. You&#039;re honestly asking if I&#039;m black, even though I stated that I wasn&#039;t.

How&#039;s YOUR command of the language? (I&#039;m talking about English, just so you don&#039;t get confused.) And as I stated before, I&#039;m just playing buddy! Don&#039;t go all cultural warrior on me. By your own standard you shouldn&#039;t be making any observations about Japanese culture since you aren&#039;t Japanese. Ouch! Here&#039;s another burning comment to crank up your righteous indignation. 

The black comparison isn&#039;t fair? Here&#039;s some fun observations.

â€œGaijinâ€ is basically the N-word for foreigners. It&#039;s not allowed on things like news broadcasts and is considered politically incorrect and would make anyone in a formal conversation flush with embarrassment, but I&#039;ll be damned if it isn&#039;t used in everyday conversation! Kids will never call you the polite â€œgaikokujinâ€ upon meeting you. Usually mortified parents and teachers have to remind the children not to call us by that name to our faces.

Also, look up â€œreverse racismâ€ as it applies to black people in the US and see if you find any parallels to your time in Japan. â€œYou can speak Japanese? Wow! You&#039;re doing so well for one of your people!â€ (Spoken with gracious helpings of insincerity and pride for being socially progressive.)

And of course it&#039;s okay to hang signs in store windows that say â€œNo foreigners allowed!â€ That&#039;s just a misunderstand on our part! We should just be happy that we can use the same restrooms!

Seriously though, I&#039;m really happy where I am and I have a good understanding of the concept of cultural relativity. I&#039;m just responding for laughs. It&#039;s fun to see all of this contortion being done to forgive behavior that is undeniably backward. If I really wanted to express ill will, it would be toward the weeaboos that live here and do the most damage for Japanese&#039; impression of foreigners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unless you are black, that comes off as an awfully ignorant comparison.&#8221; </p>
<p>Funny man! I don&#8217;t quite get what you mean though, as I stated that I was white in my post. So you must mean&#8230;</p>
<p>A. My statements would only be valid if I was black.<br />
B. If I&#8217;m black, anything that I say is beyond questioning.<br />
C. You&#8217;re honestly asking if I&#8217;m black, even though I stated that I wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s YOUR command of the language? (I&#8217;m talking about English, just so you don&#8217;t get confused.) And as I stated before, I&#8217;m just playing buddy! Don&#8217;t go all cultural warrior on me. By your own standard you shouldn&#8217;t be making any observations about Japanese culture since you aren&#8217;t Japanese. Ouch! Here&#8217;s another burning comment to crank up your righteous indignation. </p>
<p>The black comparison isn&#8217;t fair? Here&#8217;s some fun observations.</p>
<p>â€œGaijinâ€ is basically the N-word for foreigners. It&#8217;s not allowed on things like news broadcasts and is considered politically incorrect and would make anyone in a formal conversation flush with embarrassment, but I&#8217;ll be damned if it isn&#8217;t used in everyday conversation! Kids will never call you the polite â€œgaikokujinâ€ upon meeting you. Usually mortified parents and teachers have to remind the children not to call us by that name to our faces.</p>
<p>Also, look up â€œreverse racismâ€ as it applies to black people in the US and see if you find any parallels to your time in Japan. â€œYou can speak Japanese? Wow! You&#8217;re doing so well for one of your people!â€ (Spoken with gracious helpings of insincerity and pride for being socially progressive.)</p>
<p>And of course it&#8217;s okay to hang signs in store windows that say â€œNo foreigners allowed!â€ That&#8217;s just a misunderstand on our part! We should just be happy that we can use the same restrooms!</p>
<p>Seriously though, I&#8217;m really happy where I am and I have a good understanding of the concept of cultural relativity. I&#8217;m just responding for laughs. It&#8217;s fun to see all of this contortion being done to forgive behavior that is undeniably backward. If I really wanted to express ill will, it would be toward the weeaboos that live here and do the most damage for Japanese&#8217; impression of foreigners.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-871959</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These two posts from a language blogger who has been living in Japan (not as a teacher) for 4 years might be of interest here. 
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/life-in-japan-1-year-on-looking-back
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/racism-in-japan-äººç¨®å·®åˆ¥å¤§åœ‹æ—¥æœ¬ï¼Ÿ

His post on racism offers a somewhat different perspective than the typical white-guy-English-teacher, since he&#039;s a black guy in the tech field.

This &quot;Gaijin 12-Step Program&quot; post is also relevant:
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-gaijin-12-step-program


Personally, I&#039;ve gotten kind of sick of reading about Japan and Japanese people on the internet, because most of it is either &quot;alienated westerner in the Far East&quot; type stuff, or the ridiculously numerous &quot;look at dem wacky Japanese&quot; articles and posts. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These two posts from a language blogger who has been living in Japan (not as a teacher) for 4 years might be of interest here.<br />
<a href="http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/life-in-japan-1-year-on-looking-back" rel="nofollow">http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/life-in-japan-1-year-on-looking-back</a><br />
<a href="http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/racism-in-japan-äººç¨®å·®åˆ¥å¤§åœ‹æ—¥æœ¬ï¼Ÿ" rel="nofollow">http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/racism-in-japan-äººç¨®å·®åˆ¥å¤§åœ‹æ—¥æœ¬ï¼Ÿ</a></p>
<p>His post on racism offers a somewhat different perspective than the typical white-guy-English-teacher, since he&#8217;s a black guy in the tech field.</p>
<p>This &#8220;Gaijin 12-Step Program&#8221; post is also relevant:<br />
<a href="http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-gaijin-12-step-program" rel="nofollow">http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-gaijin-12-step-program</a></p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve gotten kind of sick of reading about Japan and Japanese people on the internet, because most of it is either &#8220;alienated westerner in the Far East&#8221; type stuff, or the ridiculously numerous &#8220;look at dem wacky Japanese&#8221; articles and posts. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I might as well add a quote from the FAQ section of that site I linked, since it sums things up nicely:

Are People in Japan Racist?

No. In general, intensely ignorant of certain things you might take for granted, and about as culturally sensitive as a sleep-deprived elephant with a hangover but absolutely not actually racist. Itâ€™s easy for us to forget that a lot of the cultural sensitivity that people from other parts of the world often display is entirely due to active, deliberate social training, not ethical superiority, and sometimes does not in fact extend beyond superficial behaviors.

Such training does not yet exist in Japan but itâ€™s on its way up. Although, arguably, Japan doesnâ€™t need it. The reason countries like the US have needed largescale, active â€œde-racism trainingâ€ is because they had active racism on a massive, society-wide scale, enshrined in law and propped up by shady theology and even shadier â€œresearchâ€. Japan has never had that kind of thing. If the US is a self-righteous recovering alcholic, then Japan is just a guy that drinks sometimes. To go teetotal might be nice, but either way, the alcoholic has no moral authority to preach. My substance-abuse metaphors suck, donâ€™t they?

Whatever. Anyway, speak nice Japanese and it all smooths out. The people of Japan mean you no harm â€” quite the opposite in fact. For one thing, Iâ€™d like you to try walking alone in the middle of the night in a more â€œcosmopolitanâ€, â€œculturally sensitiveâ€ Tokyo-size city anywhere else in the world, and compare results.

More broadly, we need to realize that there are jerks in Japan. In fact, there are jerks everywhere in the world. Or, people who act like jerks for some or much of the day. But, for us to take that out of context and say â€œtherefore, the people of Japan are jerksâ€ is itself an idea that smacks of racism. So we need to be careful not to take those sour encounters for more than theyâ€™re worth. I believe that best medicine is to [acquire Japanese and use it to] make more close friends who are Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I might as well add a quote from the FAQ section of that site I linked, since it sums things up nicely:</p>
<p>Are People in Japan Racist?</p>
<p>No. In general, intensely ignorant of certain things you might take for granted, and about as culturally sensitive as a sleep-deprived elephant with a hangover but absolutely not actually racist. Itâ€™s easy for us to forget that a lot of the cultural sensitivity that people from other parts of the world often display is entirely due to active, deliberate social training, not ethical superiority, and sometimes does not in fact extend beyond superficial behaviors.</p>
<p>Such training does not yet exist in Japan but itâ€™s on its way up. Although, arguably, Japan doesnâ€™t need it. The reason countries like the US have needed largescale, active â€œde-racism trainingâ€ is because they had active racism on a massive, society-wide scale, enshrined in law and propped up by shady theology and even shadier â€œresearchâ€. Japan has never had that kind of thing. If the US is a self-righteous recovering alcholic, then Japan is just a guy that drinks sometimes. To go teetotal might be nice, but either way, the alcoholic has no moral authority to preach. My substance-abuse metaphors suck, donâ€™t they?</p>
<p>Whatever. Anyway, speak nice Japanese and it all smooths out. The people of Japan mean you no harm â€” quite the opposite in fact. For one thing, Iâ€™d like you to try walking alone in the middle of the night in a more â€œcosmopolitanâ€, â€œculturally sensitiveâ€ Tokyo-size city anywhere else in the world, and compare results.</p>
<p>More broadly, we need to realize that there are jerks in Japan. In fact, there are jerks everywhere in the world. Or, people who act like jerks for some or much of the day. But, for us to take that out of context and say â€œtherefore, the people of Japan are jerksâ€ is itself an idea that smacks of racism. So we need to be careful not to take those sour encounters for more than theyâ€™re worth. I believe that best medicine is to [acquire Japanese and use it to] make more close friends who are Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can become a master in the Japanese Language, you can become a master in Japanese Etiquette, but despite that effort, you can never look Japanese.&quot;

Dear whoever originally thought up that quote.

I&#039;m gonna take a bet that you are a master neither of Japanese nor Japanese etiquette, and have few to no real Japanese friends.

Yes. You will always look different, and to people who don&#039;t know you you will be a &#039;foreigner&#039;.

And?

So... f##ing... what?

Would you rather _be_ a Japanese person? Live in a shoe box and work a sixty hour week? Constantly pay attention to what people around you are thinking about your behavior? Go to a foreign country and find it impossible to fit in/ripped off by dodgy education outfits/sleezed onto by every other loser barfly? No?

Perhaps you would rather just be treated like a Japanese person then. You know, expected to strictly follow social protocol and ostracized if you don&#039;t. Doubt it.

So what you would really like then, is all the benefits of being a white person in Japan (the attention, the &#039;its OK because he/she is a foreigner&#039; get out of Jail free card, the job opportunities, the free love... but also with all the social inclusion and acceptance of a native. 

Even then I dare say you would complain about the place... Perhaps you would like it better in another foreign country. But then again, Japan is probably the only foreign country you have spent some significant time attempting to live in/adjust to.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can become a master in the Japanese Language, you can become a master in Japanese Etiquette, but despite that effort, you can never look Japanese.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear whoever originally thought up that quote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna take a bet that you are a master neither of Japanese nor Japanese etiquette, and have few to no real Japanese friends.</p>
<p>Yes. You will always look different, and to people who don&#8217;t know you you will be a &#8216;foreigner&#8217;.</p>
<p>And?</p>
<p>So&#8230; f##ing&#8230; what?</p>
<p>Would you rather _be_ a Japanese person? Live in a shoe box and work a sixty hour week? Constantly pay attention to what people around you are thinking about your behavior? Go to a foreign country and find it impossible to fit in/ripped off by dodgy education outfits/sleezed onto by every other loser barfly? No?</p>
<p>Perhaps you would rather just be treated like a Japanese person then. You know, expected to strictly follow social protocol and ostracized if you don&#8217;t. Doubt it.</p>
<p>So what you would really like then, is all the benefits of being a white person in Japan (the attention, the &#8216;its OK because he/she is a foreigner&#8217; get out of Jail free card, the job opportunities, the free love&#8230; but also with all the social inclusion and acceptance of a native. </p>
<p>Even then I dare say you would complain about the place&#8230; Perhaps you would like it better in another foreign country. But then again, Japan is probably the only foreign country you have spent some significant time attempting to live in/adjust to.</p>
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		<title>By: davejenk1ns</title>
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		<dc:creator>davejenk1ns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I am the anonymous poster from #1 above-- sorry for not giving my ID earlier.  Please let me clarify some points:
1. I completely agree with the emotional detachment one can get from being a Westerner in East Asia.  I&#039;ve actually noticed that it gets worse with increased fluency in the language/culture.
2. I was never a JET, but I hung out with plenty of them-- it&#039;s Ia lonely life in the styx for them.
3. I can completely relate with what is described in the book.

Having said all that, please understand my critique was toward this as a literary theme, not the actual experience.  I just think we&#039;ve seen this story so many times before, that I&#039;m not getting anything out of it.  I know the story all too well-- that&#039;s the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I am the anonymous poster from #1 above&#8211; sorry for not giving my ID earlier.  Please let me clarify some points:<br />
1. I completely agree with the emotional detachment one can get from being a Westerner in East Asia.  I&#8217;ve actually noticed that it gets worse with increased fluency in the language/culture.<br />
2. I was never a JET, but I hung out with plenty of them&#8211; it&#8217;s Ia lonely life in the styx for them.<br />
3. I can completely relate with what is described in the book.</p>
<p>Having said all that, please understand my critique was toward this as a literary theme, not the actual experience.  I just think we&#8217;ve seen this story so many times before, that I&#8217;m not getting anything out of it.  I know the story all too well&#8211; that&#8217;s the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Spoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh! I wanted to write an intelligent post to contribute to this discussion, but I ended up writing way too much in an attempt to cover my ass against reprisal from Japanese culture zealots. (You DON&#039;T know who you are, and that&#039;s the problem...) I decided to give up and offer a very inflammatory viewpoint which I think is funny.

I&#039;m a white American and my wife and I have lived and taught in Japan for over a year. In that time I&#039;ve come to believe that Japan is 30-40 years behind the west in it&#039;s views of racial diversity and sexual equality, and that&#039;s probably being generous. In Japan...

If you&#039;re white, you get to feel what it&#039;s like to be black in America today.
If you&#039;re not white and not black, you get to feel what it was like to be black 20 years ago.
If you&#039;re black, you get to feel what it was like to be black 40 years ago.
If you&#039;re a woman, you get to feel what it was like to be a woman 60 years ago.

I work with children and see the progress being made, but it&#039;s a generational thing and takes time. Feel free to disagree or give your own breakdown, as I don&#039;t hold these views too seriously. Thanks for all of the thoughtful response everyone else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh! I wanted to write an intelligent post to contribute to this discussion, but I ended up writing way too much in an attempt to cover my ass against reprisal from Japanese culture zealots. (You DON&#8217;T know who you are, and that&#8217;s the problem&#8230;) I decided to give up and offer a very inflammatory viewpoint which I think is funny.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a white American and my wife and I have lived and taught in Japan for over a year. In that time I&#8217;ve come to believe that Japan is 30-40 years behind the west in it&#8217;s views of racial diversity and sexual equality, and that&#8217;s probably being generous. In Japan&#8230;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re white, you get to feel what it&#8217;s like to be black in America today.<br />
If you&#8217;re not white and not black, you get to feel what it was like to be black 20 years ago.<br />
If you&#8217;re black, you get to feel what it was like to be black 40 years ago.<br />
If you&#8217;re a woman, you get to feel what it was like to be a woman 60 years ago.</p>
<p>I work with children and see the progress being made, but it&#8217;s a generational thing and takes time. Feel free to disagree or give your own breakdown, as I don&#8217;t hold these views too seriously. Thanks for all of the thoughtful response everyone else!</p>
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		<title>By: Nadreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve obviously never been to Asia, let alone Japan.  I&#039;ve known smart people who&#039;ve spend 5 or 6 years in Japan who feel they&#039;re just beginning to understand the basics of the culture. The first time I wandered off on my own to Tokyo a Japanese friend of mine told me that, although they would seem to hate me and avoid me, at the next level down the Japanese would mainly be acting like that because they&#039;d be worried that I&#039;d come up with some strange Foreigner emergency that they wouldn&#039;t know how to deal with and they&#039;d end up looking like bad hosts.  At the next level down they really &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; sort of hate you because you&#039;re causing this tension and because you might force them to use their high school English.  I inquired if there were more levels.  He said &quot;Sure, but you won&#039;t be in Japan long enough to need to understand them.&quot;&lt;br&gt;
And of course, racism against foreigners in Japan is just as bad as it is anywhere else.&lt;br&gt;
Instead or pretending that there are no cultural gulfs, some of them unbreathable by most people, I wish people would acknowledge their reality so that they can work with or around them. I hate the (racist?) assumption that we&#039;ll all turn into rednecked Klan members if we deal with the fact that there are many fundamentally different kinds of people.  If you try and do business in Japan on the assumption that, deep down, they&#039;re all just like folks at home you&#039;ll bomb out fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve obviously never been to Asia, let alone Japan.  I&#8217;ve known smart people who&#8217;ve spend 5 or 6 years in Japan who feel they&#8217;re just beginning to understand the basics of the culture. The first time I wandered off on my own to Tokyo a Japanese friend of mine told me that, although they would seem to hate me and avoid me, at the next level down the Japanese would mainly be acting like that because they&#8217;d be worried that I&#8217;d come up with some strange Foreigner emergency that they wouldn&#8217;t know how to deal with and they&#8217;d end up looking like bad hosts.  At the next level down they really <i>do</i> sort of hate you because you&#8217;re causing this tension and because you might force them to use their high school English.  I inquired if there were more levels.  He said &#8220;Sure, but you won&#8217;t be in Japan long enough to need to understand them.&#8221;<br />
And of course, racism against foreigners in Japan is just as bad as it is anywhere else.<br />
Instead or pretending that there are no cultural gulfs, some of them unbreathable by most people, I wish people would acknowledge their reality so that they can work with or around them. I hate the (racist?) assumption that we&#8217;ll all turn into rednecked Klan members if we deal with the fact that there are many fundamentally different kinds of people.  If you try and do business in Japan on the assumption that, deep down, they&#8217;re all just like folks at home you&#8217;ll bomb out fast.</p>
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		<title>By: ameca</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Japan is definitely homogeneous compared to any nation in the Americas, however it is still a massively complex and fascinatingly varied society. The foreigners who come here are also very different from each other and all of them have their own totally different experience. 
After living in Tokyo and Niigata (aka &quot;the countryside&quot;) for 13 years I feel like I can say that all of the stereotypes about Japan and the foreigners here are simultaneously true and false.
Does that clear everything up?
I imagine this graphic novel will be very different from my personal experience in Japan, however I&#039;m always interested in how other foreigners perceive this weird and wacky place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Japan is definitely homogeneous compared to any nation in the Americas, however it is still a massively complex and fascinatingly varied society. The foreigners who come here are also very different from each other and all of them have their own totally different experience.<br />
After living in Tokyo and Niigata (aka &#8220;the countryside&#8221;) for 13 years I feel like I can say that all of the stereotypes about Japan and the foreigners here are simultaneously true and false.<br />
Does that clear everything up?<br />
I imagine this graphic novel will be very different from my personal experience in Japan, however I&#8217;m always interested in how other foreigners perceive this weird and wacky place.</p>
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		<title>By: pato pal ur</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you can get the JET program, then great! welcome to Japan. But please understand that &quot;English teacher&quot; is closer to the bottom of the social order of things for gaijin in Japan. This becomes very clear at the International parties they throw in Shibuya every month: as soon as someone introduces themself as an English teacher, people move on to someone more interesting.&lt;/i&gt;

For someone who disparages the pissing contests amongst foreigners in Japan, this is a particularly nasty and unnecessary comment.  First of all, most English teachers are well aware that in Tokyo there are many more sexier jobs than English teacher, no need to rub it in.  Since you connect JET with this, you should know that the closest JET to Shibuya is VERY far away - like far outside the Tokyo metro area, where people see foreigners less commonly (which is really the point of JET).  Finally, believe it or not people can be interesting regardless of whatever job they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you can get the JET program, then great! welcome to Japan. But please understand that &#8220;English teacher&#8221; is closer to the bottom of the social order of things for gaijin in Japan. This becomes very clear at the International parties they throw in Shibuya every month: as soon as someone introduces themself as an English teacher, people move on to someone more interesting.</i></p>
<p>For someone who disparages the pissing contests amongst foreigners in Japan, this is a particularly nasty and unnecessary comment.  First of all, most English teachers are well aware that in Tokyo there are many more sexier jobs than English teacher, no need to rub it in.  Since you connect JET with this, you should know that the closest JET to Shibuya is VERY far away &#8211; like far outside the Tokyo metro area, where people see foreigners less commonly (which is really the point of JET).  Finally, believe it or not people can be interesting regardless of whatever job they do.</p>
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		<title>By: flowerofhighrank</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I owned and ran an ESL school in SE Asia in the 90s. I learned that the best teachers could handle challenges like missing books or unknown students. I hired the best by paying more; it&#039;s pretty simple. I never hired new arrivals. If you wanted to work for me, you had to prove you could survive diarhea, anti-American attitudes from the authorities and the many temptations of Jakarta. New teachers were given a set of books and the biggest cell-phone you&#039;ve ever seen. They were told to keep the phone on and with them all the time so I could reach them if another teacher called in sick/drunk/horny. Invariably, they used part of their first paycheck to buy a sexier phone. I&#039;ve often thought a good novel or screenplay could come out of those years. I&#039;m gonna check this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I owned and ran an ESL school in SE Asia in the 90s. I learned that the best teachers could handle challenges like missing books or unknown students. I hired the best by paying more; it&#8217;s pretty simple. I never hired new arrivals. If you wanted to work for me, you had to prove you could survive diarhea, anti-American attitudes from the authorities and the many temptations of Jakarta. New teachers were given a set of books and the biggest cell-phone you&#8217;ve ever seen. They were told to keep the phone on and with them all the time so I could reach them if another teacher called in sick/drunk/horny. Invariably, they used part of their first paycheck to buy a sexier phone. I&#8217;ve often thought a good novel or screenplay could come out of those years. I&#8217;m gonna check this out.</p>
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		<title>By: turn_self_off</title>
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		<dc:creator>turn_self_off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not surprised, as the nation went from feudal via militaristic (is there really that much of a diff?) to something of a democracy and industrial powerhouse (largely thanks to much the same structures that powered their feudalism and militarism) within the last 100-150 years.

that is barely 3-4 generations. Not at all enough time for attitudes and social norms to water down and adapt. Sure, there may be lip service done when in public. But behind closed doors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not surprised, as the nation went from feudal via militaristic (is there really that much of a diff?) to something of a democracy and industrial powerhouse (largely thanks to much the same structures that powered their feudalism and militarism) within the last 100-150 years.</p>
<p>that is barely 3-4 generations. Not at all enough time for attitudes and social norms to water down and adapt. Sure, there may be lip service done when in public. But behind closed doors?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The level of apologising for the failures of Japanese society on here are laughable.</description>
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		<title>By: rberlin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-872823</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the original post, I agree with #2&#039;s accurate critique. You nailed this one Mr/Ms Anon#2.

I grabbed this book from the public library the afternoon this item posted. It is a flop IMHO. The protagonist is a total nerd loser, and not worth reading about.  I&#039;ve forced myself through half of the book, and will not be finishing it.  Part II, oh hell no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the original post, I agree with #2&#8242;s accurate critique. You nailed this one Mr/Ms Anon#2.</p>
<p>I grabbed this book from the public library the afternoon this item posted. It is a flop IMHO. The protagonist is a total nerd loser, and not worth reading about.  I&#8217;ve forced myself through half of the book, and will not be finishing it.  Part II, oh hell no.</p>
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		<title>By: Patient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I taught Conversational English in rural Japan (Omi-Imazu - Shiga) around 1998 through a language exchange program and absolutely loved what I have seen so far of the Book and also the comments here.

I can relate to a lot that I have read, but my experience was a bit off-base compared to the JET/NOVA types. I had a host family, was unpaid and was quite young at the time.

Never the less, some of the experiences described really rang home with my memory of the entire chaotic endeavor. Especially the alienation, the loneliness and the obscure on-the-surface xenophonia of the older generation. The attempt to immerse myself in the culture was equal to collective pursuit of constant inebriation to cope with it all. 

There are so many situations that I wish I could describe visually. The Gaijin that completely detach themselves from you because it interferes with their immersion, the old man that would sneak outside my bedroom window to &quot;Investigate&quot; my presence there, the grandmother that told my Japanese Girlfriend to only date her kind, strangers fondling my long blond hair in the train. It really got to you after a while and a year in I was ready to leave.

The local Gaijin watering hole was really responsible for my decision that Teaching English in Japan was perhaps not rewarding in the long term. There were several stationed foreigners (Many of them JET) on the brink of madness slumped over their drinks. I think the real turning point was one evening escorting a post-grad British Friend I had met there back to his home that ended in an outburst of screamed racial and hateful slurs on the last train out of Kyoto towards everyone on the platform. That was it for me.

There is this frustration that is hard to describe, but a friend there did so well with this statement:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;You can become a master in the Japanese Language, you can become a master in Japanese Etiquette, but despite that effort, you can never look Japanese.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I am sure it is a lot different there now, but when I was there being 1 of 2 foreigners in a small farming town was definitely a mixed blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I taught Conversational English in rural Japan (Omi-Imazu &#8211; Shiga) around 1998 through a language exchange program and absolutely loved what I have seen so far of the Book and also the comments here.</p>
<p>I can relate to a lot that I have read, but my experience was a bit off-base compared to the JET/NOVA types. I had a host family, was unpaid and was quite young at the time.</p>
<p>Never the less, some of the experiences described really rang home with my memory of the entire chaotic endeavor. Especially the alienation, the loneliness and the obscure on-the-surface xenophonia of the older generation. The attempt to immerse myself in the culture was equal to collective pursuit of constant inebriation to cope with it all. </p>
<p>There are so many situations that I wish I could describe visually. The Gaijin that completely detach themselves from you because it interferes with their immersion, the old man that would sneak outside my bedroom window to &#8220;Investigate&#8221; my presence there, the grandmother that told my Japanese Girlfriend to only date her kind, strangers fondling my long blond hair in the train. It really got to you after a while and a year in I was ready to leave.</p>
<p>The local Gaijin watering hole was really responsible for my decision that Teaching English in Japan was perhaps not rewarding in the long term. There were several stationed foreigners (Many of them JET) on the brink of madness slumped over their drinks. I think the real turning point was one evening escorting a post-grad British Friend I had met there back to his home that ended in an outburst of screamed racial and hateful slurs on the last train out of Kyoto towards everyone on the platform. That was it for me.</p>
<p>There is this frustration that is hard to describe, but a friend there did so well with this statement:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;You can become a master in the Japanese Language, you can become a master in Japanese Etiquette, but despite that effort, you can never look Japanese.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I am sure it is a lot different there now, but when I was there being 1 of 2 foreigners in a small farming town was definitely a mixed blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsBug</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-871804</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsBug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was going to be about &lt;a href=&quot;http://friedchickenandsushi.com/&quot;&gt;Fried Chicken and Sushi&lt;/a&gt;, which is pretty funny and not depressing.</description>
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		<title>By: Variable Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Variable Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plan on trying to join the JET Programme again this year.

I totally enjoy reading the accounts of people who have been there.

Another good book on this subject is &quot;My Mother is A Tractor&quot; by Nicholas Klar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plan on trying to join the JET Programme again this year.</p>
<p>I totally enjoy reading the accounts of people who have been there.</p>
<p>Another good book on this subject is &#8220;My Mother is A Tractor&#8221; by Nicholas Klar.</p>
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		<title>By: Spoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad response! I think your arguments are regrettably narrow and rely too much on the relevance of your own experience (almost as badly as mine do, and I&#039;m just in it for lulz), but at least you put some thought into it.

- &quot;Those signs don&#039;t mean &quot;We hate foreigners,&quot; they mean &quot;We don&#039;t want to deal with things that weren&#039;t in our job description.&#039;&quot;

- &quot;Do you even realize how SHORT the amount of time has been since there where only a few foreigners fluent in Japanese (especially reading/writing)?&quot;

- &quot;But when you put this in context of other actually racist societies(where you might be in actual danger), this really is simply one of the characteristics of a homogeneous society.&quot;

- &quot;The way black people are stereotyped in western media as criminals, thugs, and gang members definitely makes it easy for a Japanese person to internalize racist stereotypes without meaning to.&quot;

This all seems pretty apologist to me. Like, laughably so. I wanted you to know that I read your post and appreciated the feedback though. That being said, I think I&#039;ve posted enough on this topic. Peace out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad response! I think your arguments are regrettably narrow and rely too much on the relevance of your own experience (almost as badly as mine do, and I&#8217;m just in it for lulz), but at least you put some thought into it.</p>
<p>- &#8220;Those signs don&#8217;t mean &#8220;We hate foreigners,&#8221; they mean &#8220;We don&#8217;t want to deal with things that weren&#8217;t in our job description.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8220;Do you even realize how SHORT the amount of time has been since there where only a few foreigners fluent in Japanese (especially reading/writing)?&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8220;But when you put this in context of other actually racist societies(where you might be in actual danger), this really is simply one of the characteristics of a homogeneous society.&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8220;The way black people are stereotyped in western media as criminals, thugs, and gang members definitely makes it easy for a Japanese person to internalize racist stereotypes without meaning to.&#8221;</p>
<p>This all seems pretty apologist to me. Like, laughably so. I wanted you to know that I read your post and appreciated the feedback though. That being said, I think I&#8217;ve posted enough on this topic. Peace out!</p>
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		<title>By: Spoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy cow! We must think alike. I just wrote &quot;laughably so.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maa, ne.

On the one hand it&#039;s nice to see someone finally debunk the myth of &quot;Teach English in the Mysterious Far East!&quot; down to what it is: boring low-level work just like any other boring low-level job.

On the other hand, I am wary of the motifs that look like they still continue here: standoffish Japanese, language barriers, trysts with native women, etc.

I&#039;m still waiting for the book about a Westerner in Japan or Korea where cultural differences never even come up.  To me, Tokyo is no different than Chicago or Seattle (maybe better food, but anyway).  I&#039;d like to see a story that revolves around interesting characters, some of whom happen to speak one language, others speak another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maa, ne.</p>
<p>On the one hand it&#8217;s nice to see someone finally debunk the myth of &#8220;Teach English in the Mysterious Far East!&#8221; down to what it is: boring low-level work just like any other boring low-level job.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am wary of the motifs that look like they still continue here: standoffish Japanese, language barriers, trysts with native women, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for the book about a Westerner in Japan or Korea where cultural differences never even come up.  To me, Tokyo is no different than Chicago or Seattle (maybe better food, but anyway).  I&#8217;d like to see a story that revolves around interesting characters, some of whom happen to speak one language, others speak another.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&#039;English teacher&#039; is closer to the bottom of the social order of things for gaijin in Japan. This becomes very clear at the International parties they throw in Shibuya every month: as soon as someone introduces themself as an English teacher, people move on to someone more interesting.&quot;

That never happened to me. I guess a willfully ignorant ass would &quot;move on&quot; after learning someone is an English teacher without knowing anything else about them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;English teacher&#8217; is closer to the bottom of the social order of things for gaijin in Japan. This becomes very clear at the International parties they throw in Shibuya every month: as soon as someone introduces themself as an English teacher, people move on to someone more interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>That never happened to me. I guess a willfully ignorant ass would &#8220;move on&#8221; after learning someone is an English teacher without knowing anything else about them. </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my wife and I were in Kobe in 1987, a cute little girl (about 6) came up to us and asked if we would play with her on a nearby swingset. (A Japanese person we had become friendly with was translating what she said). We ended up playing with the girl for about 20 minutes. Then she looked hard at us and said something without smiling. Our friend seemed embarrassed to tell us what the little girl had told us, but after we begged her to tell us she said the girl had said, &quot;My parents told me that non-Japanese are not real people. They are animals. You don&#039;t seem like animals.&quot; We burst out laughing, and the little girl laughed, too.

I wonder how common this is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my wife and I were in Kobe in 1987, a cute little girl (about 6) came up to us and asked if we would play with her on a nearby swingset. (A Japanese person we had become friendly with was translating what she said). We ended up playing with the girl for about 20 minutes. Then she looked hard at us and said something without smiling. Our friend seemed embarrassed to tell us what the little girl had told us, but after we begged her to tell us she said the girl had said, &#8220;My parents told me that non-Japanese are not real people. They are animals. You don&#8217;t seem like animals.&#8221; We burst out laughing, and the little girl laughed, too.</p>
<p>I wonder how common this is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think gaijin is a bad word. The only reason people are careful and PC about it now is because gaijin got upset about it. It&#039;s ridiculous to think that leaving the &#039;koku&#039; in the middle makes it more palatable. If you think it&#039;s the &quot;N-word&quot; that&#039;s because foreigners made it that way. (Foreigner: 
forÂ·eignÂ·er
â€‚ â€‚/ËˆfÉ”rÉ™nÉ™r, ËˆfÉ’r-/ Show Spelled[fawr-uh-ner, for-]
â€“noun
1.
a person not native to or naturalized in the country or jurisdiction under consideration; alien.
2.
a person from outside one&#039;s community.

Gaijin means the same fucking thing, except it usually has the added implication of non-Asian. Foreigner = outsider/alien, so you guys should stop whining that gaijin = outside person.

The &#039;no foreigners allowed&#039; signs are perfectly understandable. Not every establishment has staff members who speak English (or Russian or whatever) and there are plenty of foreigners who can show up expecting everyone to understand them as long as they speak loud and slowly, and who are generally a pain in the ass. Those signs don&#039;t mean &quot;We hate foreigners,&quot; they mean &quot;We don&#039;t want to deal with things that weren&#039;t in our job description.&quot;

Japanese attitudes toward race can look &quot;undeniably backward&quot; to someone who is used to living in a PC country where everyone is more careful about how their speech might be interpreted. It&#039;s not a moral failing to be born in a homogeneous society, where your main exposure to people outside your race is movies and tourists. The way black people are stereotyped in western media as criminals, thugs, and gang members definitely makes it easy for a Japanese person to internalize racist stereotypes without meaning to. 


 &quot;Also, look up â€œreverse racismâ€ as it applies to black people in the US and see if you find any parallels to your time in Japan. â€œYou can speak Japanese? Wow! You&#039;re doing so well for one of your people!â€ (Spoken with gracious helpings of insincerity and pride for being socially progressive.)&quot;

Do you even realize how SHORT the amount of time has been since there where only a few foreigners fluent in Japanese (especially reading/writing)? Of course it&#039;s still a novelty. Also, the majority of Japanese people have a bad experience with a foreign language (English) being taught in a really bad way and with focus on the wrong things, (even those who major in it at college aren&#039;t usually fluent), so they have a hard time understanding how someone could get to that level in Japanese.

I&#039;m going to refer you to post #29, especially the part &quot;Iâ€™d like you to try walking alone in the middle of the night in a more â€œcosmopolitanâ€, â€œculturally sensitiveâ€ Tokyo-size city anywhere else in the world, and compare results. More broadly, we need to realize that there are jerks in Japan. In fact, there are jerks everywhere in the world. Or, people who act like jerks for some or much of the day. But, for us to take that out of context and say â€œtherefore, the people of Japan are jerksâ€ is itself an idea that smacks of racism. So we need to be careful not to take those sour encounters for more than theyâ€™re worth. I believe that best medicine is to [acquire Japanese and use it to] make more close friends who are Japanese.&quot;


Anyways, people like Spoon sound very bitter and have obviously been interpreting every interaction through their own cultural values. I can&#039;t change his opinion (and I&#039;m not trying to), and I&#039;m not being an apologist either. But when you put this in context of other actually racist societies(where you might be in actual danger), this really is simply one of the characteristics of a homogeneous society. Even so, people in my age group (20) don&#039;t seem to have any of the hangups that bother other people posting here, and they usually take my language ability for granted. So I definitely see things changing over the next few generations. 

Foreigners really shouldn&#039;t be coming to Japan with the idea that their own countries are morally superior for being &quot;cultural melting pots&quot; and that anybody who doesn&#039;t understand the value of that is backwards and a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think gaijin is a bad word. The only reason people are careful and PC about it now is because gaijin got upset about it. It&#8217;s ridiculous to think that leaving the &#8216;koku&#8217; in the middle makes it more palatable. If you think it&#8217;s the &#8220;N-word&#8221; that&#8217;s because foreigners made it that way. (Foreigner:<br />
forÂ·eignÂ·er<br />
â€‚ â€‚/ËˆfÉ”rÉ™nÉ™r, ËˆfÉ’r-/ Show Spelled[fawr-uh-ner, for-]<br />
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a person not native to or naturalized in the country or jurisdiction under consideration; alien.<br />
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a person from outside one&#8217;s community.</p>
<p>Gaijin means the same fucking thing, except it usually has the added implication of non-Asian. Foreigner = outsider/alien, so you guys should stop whining that gaijin = outside person.</p>
<p>The &#8216;no foreigners allowed&#8217; signs are perfectly understandable. Not every establishment has staff members who speak English (or Russian or whatever) and there are plenty of foreigners who can show up expecting everyone to understand them as long as they speak loud and slowly, and who are generally a pain in the ass. Those signs don&#8217;t mean &#8220;We hate foreigners,&#8221; they mean &#8220;We don&#8217;t want to deal with things that weren&#8217;t in our job description.&#8221;</p>
<p>Japanese attitudes toward race can look &#8220;undeniably backward&#8221; to someone who is used to living in a PC country where everyone is more careful about how their speech might be interpreted. It&#8217;s not a moral failing to be born in a homogeneous society, where your main exposure to people outside your race is movies and tourists. The way black people are stereotyped in western media as criminals, thugs, and gang members definitely makes it easy for a Japanese person to internalize racist stereotypes without meaning to. </p>
<p> &#8220;Also, look up â€œreverse racismâ€ as it applies to black people in the US and see if you find any parallels to your time in Japan. â€œYou can speak Japanese? Wow! You&#8217;re doing so well for one of your people!â€ (Spoken with gracious helpings of insincerity and pride for being socially progressive.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you even realize how SHORT the amount of time has been since there where only a few foreigners fluent in Japanese (especially reading/writing)? Of course it&#8217;s still a novelty. Also, the majority of Japanese people have a bad experience with a foreign language (English) being taught in a really bad way and with focus on the wrong things, (even those who major in it at college aren&#8217;t usually fluent), so they have a hard time understanding how someone could get to that level in Japanese.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to refer you to post #29, especially the part &#8220;Iâ€™d like you to try walking alone in the middle of the night in a more â€œcosmopolitanâ€, â€œculturally sensitiveâ€ Tokyo-size city anywhere else in the world, and compare results. More broadly, we need to realize that there are jerks in Japan. In fact, there are jerks everywhere in the world. Or, people who act like jerks for some or much of the day. But, for us to take that out of context and say â€œtherefore, the people of Japan are jerksâ€ is itself an idea that smacks of racism. So we need to be careful not to take those sour encounters for more than theyâ€™re worth. I believe that best medicine is to [acquire Japanese and use it to] make more close friends who are Japanese.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyways, people like Spoon sound very bitter and have obviously been interpreting every interaction through their own cultural values. I can&#8217;t change his opinion (and I&#8217;m not trying to), and I&#8217;m not being an apologist either. But when you put this in context of other actually racist societies(where you might be in actual danger), this really is simply one of the characteristics of a homogeneous society. Even so, people in my age group (20) don&#8217;t seem to have any of the hangups that bother other people posting here, and they usually take my language ability for granted. So I definitely see things changing over the next few generations. </p>
<p>Foreigners really shouldn&#8217;t be coming to Japan with the idea that their own countries are morally superior for being &#8220;cultural melting pots&#8221; and that anybody who doesn&#8217;t understand the value of that is backwards and a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Mark, but I couldn&#039;t disagree more on this one. I found Tonoharu in a $5 bin and, since I also taught English in Tokyo, I thought this would really appeal to me.  The artwork and writing are both very well done, but the main character ruins the book.  He is so shallow (admittedly has no hobbies), lifeless (talks about how he&#039;s always &#039;so tired&#039; despite doing seemingly nothing), and awkward (ruins his potential friendship with the other foreigner because he is completely unable to hold a conversation) that the entire theme of the book - the discomfort a foreigner can feel - is ruined. It wouldn&#039;t matter if he moved to Japan, Paris, or Boise, Idaho - after reading the book, it&#039;s clear that the main character (author?) lacks the social skills to connect with anyone anywhere. I couldn&#039;t really appreciate the book&#039;s merits because everything the main character said and did made me angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mark, but I couldn&#8217;t disagree more on this one. I found Tonoharu in a $5 bin and, since I also taught English in Tokyo, I thought this would really appeal to me.  The artwork and writing are both very well done, but the main character ruins the book.  He is so shallow (admittedly has no hobbies), lifeless (talks about how he&#8217;s always &#8216;so tired&#8217; despite doing seemingly nothing), and awkward (ruins his potential friendship with the other foreigner because he is completely unable to hold a conversation) that the entire theme of the book &#8211; the discomfort a foreigner can feel &#8211; is ruined. It wouldn&#8217;t matter if he moved to Japan, Paris, or Boise, Idaho &#8211; after reading the book, it&#8217;s clear that the main character (author?) lacks the social skills to connect with anyone anywhere. I couldn&#8217;t really appreciate the book&#8217;s merits because everything the main character said and did made me angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse in Japan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-871578</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse in Japan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the JET Programme for you. It&#039;s really a terrible affront to taxpayers. The city board of education has to pay the ridiculous salaries of unqualified teachers whom the teachers at the school do not know how to, and often in fact flatly refuse to, put to any kind of meaningful use. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the JET Programme for you. It&#8217;s really a terrible affront to taxpayers. The city board of education has to pay the ridiculous salaries of unqualified teachers whom the teachers at the school do not know how to, and often in fact flatly refuse to, put to any kind of meaningful use. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-872606</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have the sort of personality that is hard to get along with in real life, so I&#039;d be surprised if you managed to form any meaningful relationships during your time in Japan. I find it quite amusing that you think I&#039;m being apologist and making narrow arguments when you were the one who made all sorts of false equivalency arguments comparing the situation in Japan today to America several decades ago.

You&#039;ve only been there a year, which is usually around the time that people get over the initial euphoria and begin to take a very negative view of things, heavily filtered through their own culture-specific values/biases. You interpret every negative interaction as racism or sexism and then attribute that to a failing of an entire society, rather than just accepting that you&#039;ve encountered someone who is probably not a good person to humans in general.

Saying you&#039;re &quot;in it for the lulz&quot; does not make it okay to label everyone making explanations as crazy apologists. You might just be sick of weeaboos and people who are so enamored with Japanese culture that they think everything is perfect there, so you assume that anyone who doesn&#039;t agree with you is either like that, or being an apologist. I suppose in a similar way, I&#039;m sick of reading about English teachers having a sucky time in Japan, and then whining about it all over the place. 

Anyway, I honestly do not understand why someone like you would ever set foot in Japan. If you consider it culturally backward and find the experience of being a minority distasteful, then you shouldn&#039;t have gone. I could understand if it was some poor developing country and you were there trying to make a difference, and thus willing to overlook the downsides, but that&#039;s not the case at all. 

You would probably enjoy your time there more (and get a better experience out of it) if you could drop the moral superiority and try to assimilate a little. I know, I know, they won&#039;t let you because you&#039;re a foreigner. :( 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have the sort of personality that is hard to get along with in real life, so I&#8217;d be surprised if you managed to form any meaningful relationships during your time in Japan. I find it quite amusing that you think I&#8217;m being apologist and making narrow arguments when you were the one who made all sorts of false equivalency arguments comparing the situation in Japan today to America several decades ago.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve only been there a year, which is usually around the time that people get over the initial euphoria and begin to take a very negative view of things, heavily filtered through their own culture-specific values/biases. You interpret every negative interaction as racism or sexism and then attribute that to a failing of an entire society, rather than just accepting that you&#8217;ve encountered someone who is probably not a good person to humans in general.</p>
<p>Saying you&#8217;re &#8220;in it for the lulz&#8221; does not make it okay to label everyone making explanations as crazy apologists. You might just be sick of weeaboos and people who are so enamored with Japanese culture that they think everything is perfect there, so you assume that anyone who doesn&#8217;t agree with you is either like that, or being an apologist. I suppose in a similar way, I&#8217;m sick of reading about English teachers having a sucky time in Japan, and then whining about it all over the place. </p>
<p>Anyway, I honestly do not understand why someone like you would ever set foot in Japan. If you consider it culturally backward and find the experience of being a minority distasteful, then you shouldn&#8217;t have gone. I could understand if it was some poor developing country and you were there trying to make a difference, and thus willing to overlook the downsides, but that&#8217;s not the case at all. </p>
<p>You would probably enjoy your time there more (and get a better experience out of it) if you could drop the moral superiority and try to assimilate a little. I know, I know, they won&#8217;t let you because you&#8217;re a foreigner. :( </p>
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		<title>By: narrowstreetsLA</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-871589</link>
		<dc:creator>narrowstreetsLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is SO TRUE. I spent a single year as an &quot;ALT&quot; (teaching staff) where  I got so bored I busied myself by translating work (that one story about the sheep-man and the twisty donut twins) by Haruki Murakami into English. For fun. 

As soon as I could, I switched over to the &quot;CIR&quot; (city hall translator) position. It was still tinged with the absurd, but at least I could get some real work done.

Never had an affair with any of my teachers, but that&#039;s only because of my own reluctance--it&#039;s not like I didn&#039;t have opportunities. It really was an odd little world of ennui in miniature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is SO TRUE. I spent a single year as an &#8220;ALT&#8221; (teaching staff) where  I got so bored I busied myself by translating work (that one story about the sheep-man and the twisty donut twins) by Haruki Murakami into English. For fun. </p>
<p>As soon as I could, I switched over to the &#8220;CIR&#8221; (city hall translator) position. It was still tinged with the absurd, but at least I could get some real work done.</p>
<p>Never had an affair with any of my teachers, but that&#8217;s only because of my own reluctance&#8211;it&#8217;s not like I didn&#8217;t have opportunities. It really was an odd little world of ennui in miniature.</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/08/27/tonoharu-excellent-g.html#comment-871591</link>
		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sympathize with the feeling of being underutilized. I learned enough Japanese during my free time in the JET years to pass the JLPT level 1!... and the Kanji Kentei level 5... 

The frustrations of ALTS (JETs and non alike) have been laid bare before the net ad nauseum over the years, but I like the fresh approach of this graphic novel. It&#039;s something I think/wish I could/should have written myself. Especially being so far out in the country side.

Still, for all the whining you hear about JET, I had a great 2 years on that program. I had a great salary, vacation, learned tons of Japanese, transitioned myself to a better occupation, and made a lot of wonderful memories and a home in the countryside. The situation is what you make of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sympathize with the feeling of being underutilized. I learned enough Japanese during my free time in the JET years to pass the JLPT level 1!&#8230; and the Kanji Kentei level 5&#8230; </p>
<p>The frustrations of ALTS (JETs and non alike) have been laid bare before the net ad nauseum over the years, but I like the fresh approach of this graphic novel. It&#8217;s something I think/wish I could/should have written myself. Especially being so far out in the country side.</p>
<p>Still, for all the whining you hear about JET, I had a great 2 years on that program. I had a great salary, vacation, learned tons of Japanese, transitioned myself to a better occupation, and made a lot of wonderful memories and a home in the countryside. The situation is what you make of it. </p>
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