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	<title>Comments on: Gardener fighting village busybodies for the right to grow tomatoes in her front&#160;garden</title>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875520</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually live in Northbrook.  The situation is caused less by overly restrictive village codes and more by totally ambiguous rules dealing with this sort of crap.

Also, our village officeholders are total morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually live in Northbrook.  The situation is caused less by overly restrictive village codes and more by totally ambiguous rules dealing with this sort of crap.</p>
<p>Also, our village officeholders are total morons.</p>
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		<title>By: efergus3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875785</link>
		<dc:creator>efergus3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I say that we take off and nuke the place from orbit. It&#039;s the only way to be sure.&quot; Otherwise those tomatoes will wipe out all life on the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I say that we take off and nuke the place from orbit. It&#8217;s the only way to be sure.&#8221; Otherwise those tomatoes will wipe out all life on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875544</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on 10 years of working in that place, the only sensible solution is to burn Northbrook to the fucking ground. Some tomatoes will die, but you can&#039;t make an omlette without cracking some eggs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on 10 years of working in that place, the only sensible solution is to burn Northbrook to the fucking ground. Some tomatoes will die, but you can&#8217;t make an omlette without cracking some eggs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875803</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preserving property values is a right, but growing food for personal consumption on your property is not a right? I confuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preserving property values is a right, but growing food for personal consumption on your property is not a right? I confuse.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875562</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, never saw a &quot;killer&quot; fox before.  Not the first animal that comes to mind that eats tomatoes, perhaps it&#039;s hunting the other animals that eat the tomatoes..?

That little wussy plastic fence isn&#039;t going to do anything to stop things like deer, groundhogs, squirrels.

My parents already tried that, now they&#039;ve moved on to the electric fence.  That works pretty well, especially in conjunction with a decent rifle.

I support this lady 100%.  There are several people that do front yard gardening around my area and most people think it&#039;s pretty cool.  Yeah it looks like a jungle at times, but at least they are getting something out of it.  I guess it&#039;s a good thing I don&#039;t live in an area with a HOA, well not technically anyway.

If the HOA doesn&#039;t have clear rules on such an issue, and the residents don&#039;t seem interested in creating these rules, why isn&#039;t this just done by a majority vote?  Isn&#039;t that the ultimate reasoning for a HOA, so everyone is doing a similar thing (or things that are within a general expectation of your neighbors)?


She should make some fresh pasta sauce and serve it up at the next HOA meeting.  Then they can all eat humble pie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, never saw a &#8220;killer&#8221; fox before.  Not the first animal that comes to mind that eats tomatoes, perhaps it&#8217;s hunting the other animals that eat the tomatoes..?</p>
<p>That little wussy plastic fence isn&#8217;t going to do anything to stop things like deer, groundhogs, squirrels.</p>
<p>My parents already tried that, now they&#8217;ve moved on to the electric fence.  That works pretty well, especially in conjunction with a decent rifle.</p>
<p>I support this lady 100%.  There are several people that do front yard gardening around my area and most people think it&#8217;s pretty cool.  Yeah it looks like a jungle at times, but at least they are getting something out of it.  I guess it&#8217;s a good thing I don&#8217;t live in an area with a HOA, well not technically anyway.</p>
<p>If the HOA doesn&#8217;t have clear rules on such an issue, and the residents don&#8217;t seem interested in creating these rules, why isn&#8217;t this just done by a majority vote?  Isn&#8217;t that the ultimate reasoning for a HOA, so everyone is doing a similar thing (or things that are within a general expectation of your neighbors)?</p>
<p>She should make some fresh pasta sauce and serve it up at the next HOA meeting.  Then they can all eat humble pie.</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875835</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing I live in a reasonably progressive city.  We pulled all our ugly old evergreen bushes this past spring and planted food in their stead.  Not only do we have tomatoes in the front yard, we have peppers (hot and bell), cucumbers, pumpkins and melons.  The majority of the backyard is consumed by food production rather than grass. 

As to you EH, Doubting Thomas, clearly the gardeners you know are not very serious.  We have upwards of 50 tomato plants, over 30 pepper plants and are preserving every damned last piece of edible fruit.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing I live in a reasonably progressive city.  We pulled all our ugly old evergreen bushes this past spring and planted food in their stead.  Not only do we have tomatoes in the front yard, we have peppers (hot and bell), cucumbers, pumpkins and melons.  The majority of the backyard is consumed by food production rather than grass. </p>
<p>As to you EH, Doubting Thomas, clearly the gardeners you know are not very serious.  We have upwards of 50 tomato plants, over 30 pepper plants and are preserving every damned last piece of edible fruit.</p>
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		<title>By: insert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-876100</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.) Apparently, this isn&#039;t even a HOA, but a local government. So, looks like even &quot;replaceability&quot; and &quot;accountability&quot; don&#039;t prevent silly laws like this one. More proof to my point that HOAs aren&#039;t distinguishable from hyperlocal gubmints.

2.) Arguing that democracy, in the form of semiannual elections, gives individuals power to hold abusive governments accountable strikes me as naive. Perhaps I&#039;m merely an angry lefty, but the complete lack of Change we&#039;ve seen in the past almost-two-years signifies to me that accountability is dead, even for elected gubmints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.) Apparently, this isn&#8217;t even a HOA, but a local government. So, looks like even &#8220;replaceability&#8221; and &#8220;accountability&#8221; don&#8217;t prevent silly laws like this one. More proof to my point that HOAs aren&#8217;t distinguishable from hyperlocal gubmints.</p>
<p>2.) Arguing that democracy, in the form of semiannual elections, gives individuals power to hold abusive governments accountable strikes me as naive. Perhaps I&#8217;m merely an angry lefty, but the complete lack of Change we&#8217;ve seen in the past almost-two-years signifies to me that accountability is dead, even for elected gubmints.</p>
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		<title>By: fcurious</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875595</link>
		<dc:creator>fcurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To geek out a bit:

I don&#039;t think they actually have the power to enforce this.

Why? It should be &quot;void b/c of vagueness&quot;. It does not provide society with adequate warning as to what type of conduct might be subject to prosecution. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_for_vagueness)

For those interested it isn&#039;t really just an issue with the ordinances of Northbrook (specifically Chapter 25 - TREE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION, VEGETATION &gt;&gt; ARTICLE IV. - WEEDS AND GRASSES ).

It is an issue with Illinois law which does not define what a &quot;nuisance greenery&quot; is ( see IL Law here http://bit.ly/a3LZvK ). Look specifically at Sec. 11â€‘20â€‘7. Cutting and removal of neglected weeds, grass, trees, and bushes.

In fact this was brought up by the landlord protection agency and others as allowing the government to do whatever they liked to your vegetation since it does not define nuisance from non nuisance. http://bit.ly/dhjvhG

Either there is no power to enforce or it is vague and arbitrary. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To geek out a bit:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they actually have the power to enforce this.</p>
<p>Why? It should be &#8220;void b/c of vagueness&#8221;. It does not provide society with adequate warning as to what type of conduct might be subject to prosecution. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_for_vagueness" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_for_vagueness</a>)</p>
<p>For those interested it isn&#8217;t really just an issue with the ordinances of Northbrook (specifically Chapter 25 &#8211; TREE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION, VEGETATION >> ARTICLE IV. &#8211; WEEDS AND GRASSES ).</p>
<p>It is an issue with Illinois law which does not define what a &#8220;nuisance greenery&#8221; is ( see IL Law here <a href="http://bit.ly/a3LZvK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/a3LZvK</a> ). Look specifically at Sec. 11â€‘20â€‘7. Cutting and removal of neglected weeds, grass, trees, and bushes.</p>
<p>In fact this was brought up by the landlord protection agency and others as allowing the government to do whatever they liked to your vegetation since it does not define nuisance from non nuisance. <a href="http://bit.ly/dhjvhG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dhjvhG</a></p>
<p>Either there is no power to enforce or it is vague and arbitrary. </p>
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		<title>By: dainel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875852</link>
		<dc:creator>dainel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine rows and rows of houses with nice grass lawns in front, and suddenly this single house has tomatoes. It&#039;s abnormal. I&#039;ll say the correct solution is to change what is normal. Make it compulsory for everyone to grow food in their front lawn. If anyone does not do so, their neighbours should be entitled to plant in their lawn and collect the resulting harvest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine rows and rows of houses with nice grass lawns in front, and suddenly this single house has tomatoes. It&#8217;s abnormal. I&#8217;ll say the correct solution is to change what is normal. Make it compulsory for everyone to grow food in their front lawn. If anyone does not do so, their neighbours should be entitled to plant in their lawn and collect the resulting harvest.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875599</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God forbid someone might put marginal land that they own to a practical use.

If they let her have a garden, how do you say no when the guy next door wants to put a solar panel on his own roof? Where do you draw the line between beautiful sterility and hopeless insanity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God forbid someone might put marginal land that they own to a practical use.</p>
<p>If they let her have a garden, how do you say no when the guy next door wants to put a solar panel on his own roof? Where do you draw the line between beautiful sterility and hopeless insanity?</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875602</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever would you do if your neighbors decided not to conform to your personal, vaguely defined normalcy?

Goodness, I bet you would descend into some Lovecraftian madness.


But seriously man. If someone&#039;s yard bothers you that much, you really have no business living anywhere near other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever would you do if your neighbors decided not to conform to your personal, vaguely defined normalcy?</p>
<p>Goodness, I bet you would descend into some Lovecraftian madness.</p>
<p>But seriously man. If someone&#8217;s yard bothers you that much, you really have no business living anywhere near other people.</p>
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		<title>By: ncm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ncm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does this word &quot;gardner&quot; come from?  Is it regional?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does this word &#8220;gardner&#8221; come from?  Is it regional?</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875606</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be slightly concerned about someone firing a long rifle at a moving target anywhere near me.</description>
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		<title>By: insert</title>
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		<dc:creator>insert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of living in a community means making sacrifices for that community; in other words, property rights are not -- and ought not be -- absolute. While regulating grass versus garden in someone&#039;s front yard is petty, communities have an interest (or at least, some do) in regulation, not only to protect property values from an economic perspective, but also to preserve quality of life.

Articulating a purely anti-HOA set of beliefs is either inconsistent (if it supports local, state or national-level laws) or leads to vulgar strict-propertarian anarcho-capitalism, which we all know is silly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of living in a community means making sacrifices for that community; in other words, property rights are not &#8212; and ought not be &#8212; absolute. While regulating grass versus garden in someone&#8217;s front yard is petty, communities have an interest (or at least, some do) in regulation, not only to protect property values from an economic perspective, but also to preserve quality of life.</p>
<p>Articulating a purely anti-HOA set of beliefs is either inconsistent (if it supports local, state or national-level laws) or leads to vulgar strict-propertarian anarcho-capitalism, which we all know is silly. </p>
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		<title>By: PFR</title>
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		<dc:creator>PFR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The local code prohibits growing anything but grass out front&quot;

Wonder what the status of medical marijuana is in IL. Wouldn&#039;t it poke the eye of the village Board of Trustees to have &#039;grass&#039; re-interpreted?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The local code prohibits growing anything but grass out front&#8221;</p>
<p>Wonder what the status of medical marijuana is in IL. Wouldn&#8217;t it poke the eye of the village Board of Trustees to have &#8216;grass&#8217; re-interpreted?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: redsquares</title>
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		<dc:creator>redsquares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, very few things are more steampunk than a grass lawn. How else are you going to show you are rich enough to have servants or slaves to farm for you, somewhere else? It must be monocle-poppingly embarrassing to live near such a brazen commoner!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, very few things are more steampunk than a grass lawn. How else are you going to show you are rich enough to have servants or slaves to farm for you, somewhere else? It must be monocle-poppingly embarrassing to live near such a brazen commoner!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad it&#039;s on the other side of the country.  It would be fun to lurk about looking for rushes and sedges masquerading as grasses.

I&#039;d also like to go to the board meetings and go on about shrubberies and herrings.

Wait!  There&#039;re trees in the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad it&#8217;s on the other side of the country.  It would be fun to lurk about looking for rushes and sedges masquerading as grasses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to go to the board meetings and go on about shrubberies and herrings.</p>
<p>Wait!  There&#8217;re trees in the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: danfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>danfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this impacts other peoples&#039; property values how?

And since when are our laws for the purpose of protecting our neighbors&#039; perception of property values?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this impacts other peoples&#8217; property values how?</p>
<p>And since when are our laws for the purpose of protecting our neighbors&#8217; perception of property values?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have gone and briefly read the Northbrook Code.  I can see no provision prohibiting &quot;anything but grass out front.&quot;

 Can anyone else?

All I can find is: http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=11769&amp;stateId=13&amp;stateName=Illinois

This looks very simple ultimately; the municipality has no leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have gone and briefly read the Northbrook Code.  I can see no provision prohibiting &#8220;anything but grass out front.&#8221;</p>
<p> Can anyone else?</p>
<p>All I can find is: <a href="http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=11769&#038;stateId=13&#038;stateName=Illinois" rel="nofollow">http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=11769&#038;stateId=13&#038;stateName=Illinois</a></p>
<p>This looks very simple ultimately; the municipality has no leg.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems apparent that anybody who grows tomatoes has to have like 10 bushes, more than any family can consume, so they&#039;re always foisting extras on whoever gives them a second look. So it has been, so shall it always be. I have no idea why this is, but many years of observation have taught me that it&#039;s at least as prevalent as speaking to animals in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems apparent that anybody who grows tomatoes has to have like 10 bushes, more than any family can consume, so they&#8217;re always foisting extras on whoever gives them a second look. So it has been, so shall it always be. I have no idea why this is, but many years of observation have taught me that it&#8217;s at least as prevalent as speaking to animals in English.</p>
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		<title>By: snakedart</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can&#039;t rewrite one law to make it reasonable, because then suddenly people will want &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; of their laws to be reasonable.  It&#039;s a slippery slope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can&#8217;t rewrite one law to make it reasonable, because then suddenly people will want <b>all</b> of their laws to be reasonable.  It&#8217;s a slippery slope.</p>
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		<title>By: cmpalmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmpalmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when does making sacrifices for the community end and blindly following authority begin? 

+1 for &quot;vulgar strict-propertarian anarcho-capitalism&quot;, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when does making sacrifices for the community end and blindly following authority begin? </p>
<p>+1 for &#8220;vulgar strict-propertarian anarcho-capitalism&#8221;, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875376</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ncm Thanks -- being at the WorldCon in Australia, I must have Gardner Dozois on the brain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ncm Thanks &#8212; being at the WorldCon in Australia, I must have Gardner Dozois on the brain!</p>
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		<title>By: moop2000</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875378</link>
		<dc:creator>moop2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grow corn, it&#039;s technically a grass! :D</description>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875634</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I go to a subdivision where everyone has perfect, dark green, herbicide sprayed grass I think it looks horrible and toxic, not nice.

It&#039;s her property. Let her do what she wants with it.

Europeans grew tomatoes as ornamental plants until the figured out that they were edible.

There&#039;s room for compromise if this lady&#039;s neighbor&#039;s ask nicely. She could plant edible plants that are also ornamental, like chard, scarlet runner beans, and long peppers and leave a token fringe of grass around the edge of the yard.

Denying this woman the right to the pursuit of happiness by growing her own food on her son&#039;s land is insidious.

If they make her take down her garden I hope she follows the lawn regulations to the letter and keeps her grass a little less than 10 inches long.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I go to a subdivision where everyone has perfect, dark green, herbicide sprayed grass I think it looks horrible and toxic, not nice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s her property. Let her do what she wants with it.</p>
<p>Europeans grew tomatoes as ornamental plants until the figured out that they were edible.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s room for compromise if this lady&#8217;s neighbor&#8217;s ask nicely. She could plant edible plants that are also ornamental, like chard, scarlet runner beans, and long peppers and leave a token fringe of grass around the edge of the yard.</p>
<p>Denying this woman the right to the pursuit of happiness by growing her own food on her son&#8217;s land is insidious.</p>
<p>If they make her take down her garden I hope she follows the lawn regulations to the letter and keeps her grass a little less than 10 inches long.</p>
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		<title>By: silkox</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875639</link>
		<dc:creator>silkox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on your definition of &quot;marginal land.&quot; Very often housing developments (and whole cities and suburbs) are built on first-class farmland. It&#039;s the houses that are most likely out of place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on your definition of &#8220;marginal land.&#8221; Very often housing developments (and whole cities and suburbs) are built on first-class farmland. It&#8217;s the houses that are most likely out of place.</p>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875640</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason she&#039;s growing the tomatoes in the front yard is because of the shade from her (presumably mature) trees in the backyard.

Is the village of Northbrook actually telling her they think the block&#039;s property value will increase if she chops down all those trees instead?

She should call it a Victory garden and tell them they&#039;re being unpatriotic as well as environmentally unfriendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason she&#8217;s growing the tomatoes in the front yard is because of the shade from her (presumably mature) trees in the backyard.</p>
<p>Is the village of Northbrook actually telling her they think the block&#8217;s property value will increase if she chops down all those trees instead?</p>
<p>She should call it a Victory garden and tell them they&#8217;re being unpatriotic as well as environmentally unfriendly.</p>
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		<title>By: dculberson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875902</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those discussing HOAs, this is not an HOA issue.  This is a village / township issue, she&#039;s dealing with the local government and not a private body.

The article had a couple interesting points:

&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œThere is no ordinance that specifically deals with a garden in the front yard,â€ said Tom Poupard, director of community planning and development for the village. â€œIt truly is a gray area.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So really there is no law against what she has, but her neighbors don&#039;t like it and so they complained and so the city feels like they &quot;need to do something.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Village code also requires residents to cut their grass when it reaches 10 inches in height&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just mow it to 10&quot; for a while and see what they think!

Really, though, that garden is a shambles.  If it was clean and pretty then the neighbors would not have complained.  My mother has no grass around her house with an enormous lot - it&#039;s all perennial gardens - and nobody has complained.  Quite the contrary, people stop by and compliment her on the garden constantly.  But it&#039;s not a messy shambles of plastic netting and weedy looking plants.

This is the rusted out Chevy up on blocks of the gardening world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those discussing HOAs, this is not an HOA issue.  This is a village / township issue, she&#8217;s dealing with the local government and not a private body.</p>
<p>The article had a couple interesting points:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œThere is no ordinance that specifically deals with a garden in the front yard,â€ said Tom Poupard, director of community planning and development for the village. â€œIt truly is a gray area.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>So really there is no law against what she has, but her neighbors don&#8217;t like it and so they complained and so the city feels like they &#8220;need to do something.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Village code also requires residents to cut their grass when it reaches 10 inches in height</p></blockquote>
<p>Just mow it to 10&#8243; for a while and see what they think!</p>
<p>Really, though, that garden is a shambles.  If it was clean and pretty then the neighbors would not have complained.  My mother has no grass around her house with an enormous lot &#8211; it&#8217;s all perennial gardens &#8211; and nobody has complained.  Quite the contrary, people stop by and compliment her on the garden constantly.  But it&#8217;s not a messy shambles of plastic netting and weedy looking plants.</p>
<p>This is the rusted out Chevy up on blocks of the gardening world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say lower property values, I say lower property taxes.

Because you are a carpetbagger and I am not.

Also, I like that freedom thing.</description>
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<p>Because you are a carpetbagger and I am not.</p>
<p>Also, I like that freedom thing.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/01/gardner-fighting-vil.html#comment-875651</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really thought about that, but it makes sense.

What she should do, then, is seed bomb the hell out of every patch of grass in the neighborhood not connected to a yard. Presumably, every other resident would die of shame, and she&#039;d be free to garden as she pleased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really thought about that, but it makes sense.</p>
<p>What she should do, then, is seed bomb the hell out of every patch of grass in the neighborhood not connected to a yard. Presumably, every other resident would die of shame, and she&#8217;d be free to garden as she pleased.</p>
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