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		<title>By: robulus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-885761</link>
		<dc:creator>robulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always.</description>
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		<title>By: knoxblox</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-885763</link>
		<dc:creator>knoxblox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no way I could drink 100 gallons of beer or wine in a year.


By the way, that inline reflux still needs some fishnet stockings and a lampshade...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no way I could drink 100 gallons of beer or wine in a year.</p>
<p>By the way, that inline reflux still needs some fishnet stockings and a lampshade&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gabrielm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-885764</link>
		<dc:creator>gabrielm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you read my comment, you might note that I stated: &quot;To produce DANGEROUS amount of methanol&quot; :)

Pulling off the heads is an easy way to remove these volatile alcohols that have a lower vaporization point.

Still, they have to be present in the initial brew that you are distilling. I watched a video of a professional distilling several hundred gallons and the heads only made up a few cups. At the size this guy is doing you wouldn&#039;t produce enough to cause more then a bad taste and perhaps a headache. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you read my comment, you might note that I stated: &#8220;To produce DANGEROUS amount of methanol&#8221; :)</p>
<p>Pulling off the heads is an easy way to remove these volatile alcohols that have a lower vaporization point.</p>
<p>Still, they have to be present in the initial brew that you are distilling. I watched a video of a professional distilling several hundred gallons and the heads only made up a few cups. At the size this guy is doing you wouldn&#8217;t produce enough to cause more then a bad taste and perhaps a headache. </p>
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		<title>By: morganw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-886791</link>
		<dc:creator>morganw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like there&#039;s little risk of ingesting methanol if you start with commercial wine or beer, yeah?  That, and the simpler pot still that produces less pure (more flavorful?) drinks sounds cool to me.  You can buy a 1/4 liter borosilicate retort for under $40. It would be a &lt;i&gt;gas&lt;/i&gt; âš— to make something in-between barley wine and whiskey out of a bottle of Liberty Ale. Alembic!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like there&#8217;s little risk of ingesting methanol if you start with commercial wine or beer, yeah?  That, and the simpler pot still that produces less pure (more flavorful?) drinks sounds cool to me.  You can buy a 1/4 liter borosilicate retort for under $40. It would be a <i>gas</i> âš— to make something in-between barley wine and whiskey out of a bottle of Liberty Ale. Alembic!</p>
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		<title>By: robulus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-885770</link>
		<dc:creator>robulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God. You two are prickly. 

&lt;i&gt;@Geekman&lt;/i&gt;
That was supposed to be read as contrite self deprecating humour.

&lt;i&gt;@Gabrielm&lt;/i&gt;
That was suppossed to be read as ironic dickishness in light of said contrite self deprecating humour.

Way to suck the buzz out. Now I&#039;m a sad panda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God. You two are prickly. </p>
<p><i>@Geekman</i><br />
That was supposed to be read as contrite self deprecating humour.</p>
<p><i>@Gabrielm</i><br />
That was suppossed to be read as ironic dickishness in light of said contrite self deprecating humour.</p>
<p>Way to suck the buzz out. Now I&#8217;m a sad panda.</p>
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		<title>By: retchdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>retchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done infusions, not of gin yet but of star anise; ginger; lemon zest; and black pepper(!). It&#039;s fun, usually makes something drinkable (or at least mixable), and easy. The black pepper is especially interesting; at 160 proof, it&#039;s firewater in every sense of the word. :)

In principle you get better results with higher proof alcohol, so do the infusion with Everclear or Devil&#039;s Spring vodka or similar, and then dilute (or not) to the desired strength. (unless there are some undesirable flavors in the gin ingredients you don&#039;t want so much of I guess)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done infusions, not of gin yet but of star anise; ginger; lemon zest; and black pepper(!). It&#8217;s fun, usually makes something drinkable (or at least mixable), and easy. The black pepper is especially interesting; at 160 proof, it&#8217;s firewater in every sense of the word. :)</p>
<p>In principle you get better results with higher proof alcohol, so do the infusion with Everclear or Devil&#8217;s Spring vodka or similar, and then dilute (or not) to the desired strength. (unless there are some undesirable flavors in the gin ingredients you don&#8217;t want so much of I guess)</p>
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		<title>By: chroma</title>
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		<dc:creator>chroma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of the brass threaded fitting, I&#039;d suggest using stainless steel instead. If you can&#039;t find the right fitting or it&#039;s too expensive, perhaps you could get some SS tubing of the right diameter and have a thread put on it at a hardware store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of the brass threaded fitting, I&#8217;d suggest using stainless steel instead. If you can&#8217;t find the right fitting or it&#8217;s too expensive, perhaps you could get some SS tubing of the right diameter and have a thread put on it at a hardware store.</p>
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		<title>By: bwaterhouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s not. It&#039;s illegal in the US to in any way modify liquor, or even to put it in a different bottle. Our liquor laws are insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s illegal in the US to in any way modify liquor, or even to put it in a different bottle. Our liquor laws are insane.</p>
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		<title>By: gwailo_joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwailo_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your response made me think. . .because I drink a lot.  More than most.  

But: 100 gallons in a year?  That&#039;s 8 pints to a gallon.  800 gallons divided 365 days=2.19+ pints per day.  No problem there.

Just today I drank two bottles of Tsingtao helping to replace a roof at 10th and Clement.  After enough work, walked to 540 Club and had 3 pints of Stella with a friend.  (soundtrack was Charles Mingus. . .), then when parking meters had to be fed and tools replaced: back to 10th, to the Front Room (PO) for a Final Final single pint of Red Hook ESB.  -a perfect finish-

That&#039;s 5 pints+,  and frankly an average day.  Not for everyone I realize.  And 100 gallons is plenty.

But for a drinking person. . .that dubious threshold is easily attainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response made me think. . .because I drink a lot.  More than most.  </p>
<p>But: 100 gallons in a year?  That&#8217;s 8 pints to a gallon.  800 gallons divided 365 days=2.19+ pints per day.  No problem there.</p>
<p>Just today I drank two bottles of Tsingtao helping to replace a roof at 10th and Clement.  After enough work, walked to 540 Club and had 3 pints of Stella with a friend.  (soundtrack was Charles Mingus. . .), then when parking meters had to be fed and tools replaced: back to 10th, to the Front Room (PO) for a Final Final single pint of Red Hook ESB.  -a perfect finish-</p>
<p>That&#8217;s 5 pints+,  and frankly an average day.  Not for everyone I realize.  And 100 gallons is plenty.</p>
<p>But for a drinking person. . .that dubious threshold is easily attainable.</p>
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		<title>By: robulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>robulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That reminds me of a stand up bit I saw. The guy was remarking about the definition of binge drinking in Australia being 7 standard drinks in a session.

&quot;OK, so put your hand up if you have been binge drinking in the last week&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Almost entire audience puts up hand.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Now keep your hand up if you&#039;ve had a binge this week, and then GONE OUT DRINKING.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That reminds me of a stand up bit I saw. The guy was remarking about the definition of binge drinking in Australia being 7 standard drinks in a session.</p>
<p>&#8220;OK, so put your hand up if you have been binge drinking in the last week&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Almost entire audience puts up hand.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Now keep your hand up if you&#8217;ve had a binge this week, and then GONE OUT DRINKING.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: frankieboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are exactly the fellow I want up on my roof. When you&#039;re done there, perhaps a spot of log splitting. &quot;Dubious threshold&quot; indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are exactly the fellow I want up on my roof. When you&#8217;re done there, perhaps a spot of log splitting. &#8220;Dubious threshold&#8221; indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) As the still heats up, all the vapours condense on the scrubbers and run back down.  Once it&#039;s running, more of the less volatile part of the vapour (water) condenses, and the heat it gives up evaporates more of the volatile part (alcohol) of the liquid that&#039;s flowing down.  That&#039;s what he means by getting the vapour to repeatedly distill on its way up the column.

2) The open top column is very important - it&#039;s better to have a bit of alcohol lost should something go wrong, than to have pressure buildup you don&#039;t notice until something blows, one of your pressure-fit joints pops, and bits of copper plumbing go flying in all directions, possibly including toward your noggin.

If anything he&#039;s overengineered his still, by having such a high condenser section.  Probably all the condensation happens in the bottom 6&quot; or so of that chimney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) As the still heats up, all the vapours condense on the scrubbers and run back down.  Once it&#8217;s running, more of the less volatile part of the vapour (water) condenses, and the heat it gives up evaporates more of the volatile part (alcohol) of the liquid that&#8217;s flowing down.  That&#8217;s what he means by getting the vapour to repeatedly distill on its way up the column.</p>
<p>2) The open top column is very important &#8211; it&#8217;s better to have a bit of alcohol lost should something go wrong, than to have pressure buildup you don&#8217;t notice until something blows, one of your pressure-fit joints pops, and bits of copper plumbing go flying in all directions, possibly including toward your noggin.</p>
<p>If anything he&#8217;s overengineered his still, by having such a high condenser section.  Probably all the condensation happens in the bottom 6&#8243; or so of that chimney.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reading. Coming from a country that produces &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bundabergrum.com.au/gateway?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bundabergrum.com.au%2Fdefault&quot;&gt;exactly one fairly well known spirit that is absolutely god awful to drink&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;d love to see a rise in some good old fashioned bootlegging. 

Given Australia&#039;s huge and amazing boutique beer and wine industry I&#039;m sure that we&#039;d have some killer spirits (in the &quot;yeah man that movie is killer!&quot; not the &quot;oh god you&#039;ve killed him&quot; sense) if the laws were relaxed a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reading. Coming from a country that produces <a href="http://www.bundabergrum.com.au/gateway?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bundabergrum.com.au%2Fdefault">exactly one fairly well known spirit that is absolutely god awful to drink</a>, I&#8217;d love to see a rise in some good old fashioned bootlegging. </p>
<p>Given Australia&#8217;s huge and amazing boutique beer and wine industry I&#8217;m sure that we&#8217;d have some killer spirits (in the &#8220;yeah man that movie is killer!&#8221; not the &#8220;oh god you&#8217;ve killed him&#8221; sense) if the laws were relaxed a little.</p>
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		<title>By: fantasygoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>fantasygoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I didn&#039;t quite understand the purpose of the scrubbers. It sounded originally like the alcohol itself condenses on them, and then falls back down. But if that happened, then the alcohol wouldn&#039;t make it to the top of the column. So I guess the impurities condense on the scrubbers, so the alcohol gets more pure? But why doesn&#039;t the alcohol condense on them?&quot;

The scrubbers provide surface area for condensation.  You are correct that the impurities remain on the scrubbers, and in fact they must be replaced on a regular basis.  The continual rising and falling - boiling and condensing - is known as reflux, hence the name of the type of still.

&quot;It seems like there is still plenty of opportunity for the alcohol to evaporate straight out the top, unless the water is constantly kept extremely cold.&quot;

The number of coils he&#039;s running makes it very unlikely that any steam would be able to get past without dropping in temperature to the point of being liquid again.  My still has half the coils and I never even see a wisp of steam come out the top - if you hold your hand over it, it is barely warm.  But I use faucet cooling rather than recirculated water as he does.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t quite understand the purpose of the scrubbers. It sounded originally like the alcohol itself condenses on them, and then falls back down. But if that happened, then the alcohol wouldn&#8217;t make it to the top of the column. So I guess the impurities condense on the scrubbers, so the alcohol gets more pure? But why doesn&#8217;t the alcohol condense on them?&#8221;</p>
<p>The scrubbers provide surface area for condensation.  You are correct that the impurities remain on the scrubbers, and in fact they must be replaced on a regular basis.  The continual rising and falling &#8211; boiling and condensing &#8211; is known as reflux, hence the name of the type of still.</p>
<p>&#8220;It seems like there is still plenty of opportunity for the alcohol to evaporate straight out the top, unless the water is constantly kept extremely cold.&#8221;</p>
<p>The number of coils he&#8217;s running makes it very unlikely that any steam would be able to get past without dropping in temperature to the point of being liquid again.  My still has half the coils and I never even see a wisp of steam come out the top &#8211; if you hold your hand over it, it is barely warm.  But I use faucet cooling rather than recirculated water as he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Pantograph</title>
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		<description>The alcohol does condense on the scrubbers, but it partly reevaporates again when hot vapor passes on the way up, resulting in some water falling back down into the kettle, and a purer vapor rising to the top. 

Long ago in a galaxy far away I used to operate something similar, only with a  scrubbing column going up, a U-bend and then a straight copper pipe with a water sleeve going down for a condenser. Result ~160 proof alcohol in abundance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The alcohol does condense on the scrubbers, but it partly reevaporates again when hot vapor passes on the way up, resulting in some water falling back down into the kettle, and a purer vapor rising to the top. </p>
<p>Long ago in a galaxy far away I used to operate something similar, only with a  scrubbing column going up, a U-bend and then a straight copper pipe with a water sleeve going down for a condenser. Result ~160 proof alcohol in abundance.</p>
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		<title>By: luthier58</title>
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		<description>This, exactly.  The OP is using a reflux still, designed to yield essentially neutral spirits (vodka, basically), to be flavored by infusion.  The real talent in distilling (IMHO, admittedly) is using pot stills (or, OK, carefully minded reflux stills) to capture the essence of the original fermented mash (&quot;beer&quot;, wine, cider) and passing along that character to the final distilled beverage, without later flavoring additions.  It&#039;s very much an art, and a highly-skilled craft requiring much practice and experience to do well.  I&#039;ve had the great pleasure of interviewing 2 (of only 7) master distillers at Jack Daniel&#039;s, and their obsession and devotion to their craft was truly impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, exactly.  The OP is using a reflux still, designed to yield essentially neutral spirits (vodka, basically), to be flavored by infusion.  The real talent in distilling (IMHO, admittedly) is using pot stills (or, OK, carefully minded reflux stills) to capture the essence of the original fermented mash (&#8220;beer&#8221;, wine, cider) and passing along that character to the final distilled beverage, without later flavoring additions.  It&#8217;s very much an art, and a highly-skilled craft requiring much practice and experience to do well.  I&#8217;ve had the great pleasure of interviewing 2 (of only 7) master distillers at Jack Daniel&#8217;s, and their obsession and devotion to their craft was truly impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>&quot;I told them I was building a robot&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I told them I was building a robot&#8221;.</p>
<p>Awesome.  </p>
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		<title>By: luthier58</title>
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		<description>I should just stop reading the comments.  It just makes me sad.  

There are 6,000+ members on one home-distilling group I read, 4,000+ on another, and who knows how many other groups.  Even with overlap, that&#039;s a lot of people, and it&#039;s obvious many of those people are really doing this.  There are hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of posts, hundreds of recipes and instructions, and now several actual books.  They ALL explain in detail how to get rid of methanol.  Illiterate hillbillies (and semi-literate farmers, and pretty literate George Washington) have been successfully avoiding methanol for hundreds of years (without taste-testing, BTW, there are other methods).  METHANOL IS NOT AN ISSUE.  

Virtually all the stories of blindness, poisoning, etc. come from depression/Prohibition-era moonshining, when poor people would do anything to make a buck (including using lead-soldered car radiators as condensers), and sober people would drink anything.  After Repeal, moonshiners had to start matching the quality of their product to the commercial competition.  It&#039;s also worth noting that virtually all reports of illness and death come from BATF reports.  Surely a law-enforcement agency would never exaggerate the dangers of a substance they are tasked (and highly-funded) to eradicate!

As far as legality, well...I was amazed to see small, table-top size stills for sale in wine stores in Italy.  In the US, laws proscribing personal behavior tend to fall into a) avoidance of tax collection, b) stepping on some powerful industries toes, or c) enforcement of some (specific) religious or moral code.  Moonshining hits the trifecta, violating all three, so it must be evil, right?

Certainly Americans by the thousands would never violate Federal law just to enjoy imbibing an enjoyable substance...oh, wait.  



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should just stop reading the comments.  It just makes me sad.  </p>
<p>There are 6,000+ members on one home-distilling group I read, 4,000+ on another, and who knows how many other groups.  Even with overlap, that&#8217;s a lot of people, and it&#8217;s obvious many of those people are really doing this.  There are hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of posts, hundreds of recipes and instructions, and now several actual books.  They ALL explain in detail how to get rid of methanol.  Illiterate hillbillies (and semi-literate farmers, and pretty literate George Washington) have been successfully avoiding methanol for hundreds of years (without taste-testing, BTW, there are other methods).  METHANOL IS NOT AN ISSUE.  </p>
<p>Virtually all the stories of blindness, poisoning, etc. come from depression/Prohibition-era moonshining, when poor people would do anything to make a buck (including using lead-soldered car radiators as condensers), and sober people would drink anything.  After Repeal, moonshiners had to start matching the quality of their product to the commercial competition.  It&#8217;s also worth noting that virtually all reports of illness and death come from BATF reports.  Surely a law-enforcement agency would never exaggerate the dangers of a substance they are tasked (and highly-funded) to eradicate!</p>
<p>As far as legality, well&#8230;I was amazed to see small, table-top size stills for sale in wine stores in Italy.  In the US, laws proscribing personal behavior tend to fall into a) avoidance of tax collection, b) stepping on some powerful industries toes, or c) enforcement of some (specific) religious or moral code.  Moonshining hits the trifecta, violating all three, so it must be evil, right?</p>
<p>Certainly Americans by the thousands would never violate Federal law just to enjoy imbibing an enjoyable substance&#8230;oh, wait.  </p>
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		<title>By: bardfinn</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difficulty with methanol isn&#039;t that it comes from wood (it doesn&#039;t necessarily) nor that it makes you go blind (it doesn&#039;t).

Methanol is produced by the an-aerobic processes of several types of bacteria (not yeasts). If your beer, wine, or other starter material has any sugars left in it -- or any simple carbs, oftentimes -- and you get one or more of these types of bacteria into the bottle, or into the still, or into the mash, you get methanol in the end product -- which is one very good reason to sterilise /everything/ /throughly/ /every/ /time/ /you/ /brew/, /bottle/, or do anything else with the substances.

Methanol, itself, does not poison you nor make you go blind; Instead, it gives your liver the materials it needs to produce formaldehyde, which is then converted into formic acid - i.e. ant venom. This produces metabolic acidosis and cellular hypoxia - your body stops operating at the cellular level for a lack of oxygen and a shutdown of metabolic processes.

The reason that moonshiners of Ye Olden Tymes let methanol-tainted product get into the hands of people who were poisoned by it, is because they &#039;safety-tested&#039; the product on themselves ... but people who have severe cirrhosis of the liver, or a failing liver, or severe hepatitis, don&#039;t get poisoned by the methanol-formaldehyde-formic acid process; Their liver never metabolises the alcohol and it&#039;s excreted by the kidneys. A lifetime alcoholic can more readily drink methanol without further adverse effects than someone with a fully functioning liver.

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NaOH Jones: Be careful of red rot - it&#039;s caused by acidic leaching of zinc out of brass, leaving behind the copper matrix. It can be a safety issue especially as you&#039;re concerned about lead leach (it might be leaching but not leaving behind any surface lead, if the only thing left on the surface is copper), and it causes structural failure as well. If I were you, I would avoid lead in all parts of an apparatus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difficulty with methanol isn&#8217;t that it comes from wood (it doesn&#8217;t necessarily) nor that it makes you go blind (it doesn&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Methanol is produced by the an-aerobic processes of several types of bacteria (not yeasts). If your beer, wine, or other starter material has any sugars left in it &#8212; or any simple carbs, oftentimes &#8212; and you get one or more of these types of bacteria into the bottle, or into the still, or into the mash, you get methanol in the end product &#8212; which is one very good reason to sterilise /everything/ /throughly/ /every/ /time/ /you/ /brew/, /bottle/, or do anything else with the substances.</p>
<p>Methanol, itself, does not poison you nor make you go blind; Instead, it gives your liver the materials it needs to produce formaldehyde, which is then converted into formic acid &#8211; i.e. ant venom. This produces metabolic acidosis and cellular hypoxia &#8211; your body stops operating at the cellular level for a lack of oxygen and a shutdown of metabolic processes.</p>
<p>The reason that moonshiners of Ye Olden Tymes let methanol-tainted product get into the hands of people who were poisoned by it, is because they &#8216;safety-tested&#8217; the product on themselves &#8230; but people who have severe cirrhosis of the liver, or a failing liver, or severe hepatitis, don&#8217;t get poisoned by the methanol-formaldehyde-formic acid process; Their liver never metabolises the alcohol and it&#8217;s excreted by the kidneys. A lifetime alcoholic can more readily drink methanol without further adverse effects than someone with a fully functioning liver.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>NaOH Jones: Be careful of red rot &#8211; it&#8217;s caused by acidic leaching of zinc out of brass, leaving behind the copper matrix. It can be a safety issue especially as you&#8217;re concerned about lead leach (it might be leaching but not leaving behind any surface lead, if the only thing left on the surface is copper), and it causes structural failure as well. If I were you, I would avoid lead in all parts of an apparatus.</p>
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		<title>By: knoxblox</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-885845</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I understand completely, but for me, it&#039;s nigh impossible. I&#039;ve never been much of a drinker, and find that it sometimes aggravates my asthma symptoms.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, though. I do love drink for the sake of drink. B&amp;B or Drambuie are my favorites, and I can easily polish off a bottle of Asti in one sitting. However, frequency is a problem, and too often would leave me lethargic with a chest full of phlegm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I understand completely, but for me, it&#8217;s nigh impossible. I&#8217;ve never been much of a drinker, and find that it sometimes aggravates my asthma symptoms.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, though. I do love drink for the sake of drink. B&#038;B or Drambuie are my favorites, and I can easily polish off a bottle of Asti in one sitting. However, frequency is a problem, and too often would leave me lethargic with a chest full of phlegm.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fine whiskey can make everything all right, all right.
A song for the whiskey men:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm60Aw8YTQE

But no bourbon around though: I think I&#039;ll have a wee dram instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fine whiskey can make everything all right, all right.<br />
A song for the whiskey men:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm60Aw8YTQE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm60Aw8YTQE</a></p>
<p>But no bourbon around though: I think I&#8217;ll have a wee dram instead.</p>
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		<title>By: wiredfool</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re looking for infusions, there are far easier ways to do it without a still.  At one extreme, there&#039;s vodka + [stuff] + time, in a mason jar. Excellent for various fruits, such as blackberries. You&#039;ll need a few weeks for that. Then I cut it with simple syrup to taste and it&#039;s tasty. I&#039;ve done ginger in bacardi 151, and it&#039;s... hot. Amazing as an addition to the blackberry stuff. 

There&#039;s also &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/08/11/&#039;&gt;these guys:&lt;/a&gt; infusing spirits in a whipped cream doohicky. I want to try the chocolate nibs in particular. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re looking for infusions, there are far easier ways to do it without a still.  At one extreme, there&#8217;s vodka + [stuff] + time, in a mason jar. Excellent for various fruits, such as blackberries. You&#8217;ll need a few weeks for that. Then I cut it with simple syrup to taste and it&#8217;s tasty. I&#8217;ve done ginger in bacardi 151, and it&#8217;s&#8230; hot. Amazing as an addition to the blackberry stuff. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also <a href='http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/08/11/'>these guys:</a> infusing spirits in a whipped cream doohicky. I want to try the chocolate nibs in particular. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In acute ETOH poisoning, the alcohol is allowed to slowly process and breakdown through the liver by administering IV methanol.  It is a slow 24 hour or so detox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In acute ETOH poisoning, the alcohol is allowed to slowly process and breakdown through the liver by administering IV methanol.  It is a slow 24 hour or so detox.</p>
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		<title>By: luthier58</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/14/a-moonshine-maker-de.html#comment-887151</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good effort, if a little simplistic.  Foreshots are where the acetone lives, and should be discarded (or saved for useful solvent cleaners).  Heads still have some solvent extracts, reducing the further you get into the run (this is where the art of &quot;cuts&quot; comes in).  Hearts are basically the &quot;pure&quot; ethanol, the stuff you really want (although the mix of late heads and early tails really defines the character of the liquor).  Tails are the fusel oils left at the end of fermentation;  you can actually feel them as oily on your fingers (and taste them in really cheap vodkas).  Same then both if you want for the next round.

Someone in the earlier thread mentioned freeze-distilling, which was a pretty traditional practice for extracting applejack from cider in colonial America.  People, don&#039;t do this.  Real, heat-based distilling gives the distiller the chance (requirement, really) to discard the &quot;heads and tails&quot; (acetones and fusel oils) driven out at the beginning and end of the process.  Freezing fermented beverages (i.e. cider) to freeze the water and thereby concentrate the unfrozen alcohol products (&quot;applejack&quot;) gives no opportunity to remove the poisonous acetones, fusel oils and other dangerous by-products of distillation.  &quot;Apple palsy&quot; and other colonial maladies were very real, and were created by just this process.  Make your own, distilled apple brandy, or just buy Calvados in the liquor store (BTW, anything called &quot;Applejack&quot; in a liquor store is a grain-neutral spirit (a vodka), flavored by artificial apple flavoring, whereas a Calvados is probably a real apple brandy from France).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good effort, if a little simplistic.  Foreshots are where the acetone lives, and should be discarded (or saved for useful solvent cleaners).  Heads still have some solvent extracts, reducing the further you get into the run (this is where the art of &#8220;cuts&#8221; comes in).  Hearts are basically the &#8220;pure&#8221; ethanol, the stuff you really want (although the mix of late heads and early tails really defines the character of the liquor).  Tails are the fusel oils left at the end of fermentation;  you can actually feel them as oily on your fingers (and taste them in really cheap vodkas).  Same then both if you want for the next round.</p>
<p>Someone in the earlier thread mentioned freeze-distilling, which was a pretty traditional practice for extracting applejack from cider in colonial America.  People, don&#8217;t do this.  Real, heat-based distilling gives the distiller the chance (requirement, really) to discard the &#8220;heads and tails&#8221; (acetones and fusel oils) driven out at the beginning and end of the process.  Freezing fermented beverages (i.e. cider) to freeze the water and thereby concentrate the unfrozen alcohol products (&#8220;applejack&#8221;) gives no opportunity to remove the poisonous acetones, fusel oils and other dangerous by-products of distillation.  &#8220;Apple palsy&#8221; and other colonial maladies were very real, and were created by just this process.  Make your own, distilled apple brandy, or just buy Calvados in the liquor store (BTW, anything called &#8220;Applejack&#8221; in a liquor store is a grain-neutral spirit (a vodka), flavored by artificial apple flavoring, whereas a Calvados is probably a real apple brandy from France).</p>
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		<title>By: discontinuuity</title>
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		<dc:creator>discontinuuity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been said before, but I&#039;ll say it again: don&#039;t use lead.  That means you need special plumbing solder, not the stuff for wiring and electronics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been said before, but I&#8217;ll say it again: don&#8217;t use lead.  That means you need special plumbing solder, not the stuff for wiring and electronics.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice coincidence, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cityocitydenver.com/&quot;&gt;City, O&#039; City&lt;/a&gt; just had a raucous &amp; very fun home-brew competition in Denver earlier tonight to a packed house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice coincidence, <a href="http://www.cityocitydenver.com/">City, O&#8217; City</a> just had a raucous &#038; very fun home-brew competition in Denver earlier tonight to a packed house.</p>
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		<title>By: tw15</title>
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		<description>It still scares the hell out of me, the risk of it going wrong. Brought up on too many scary tales about potcheen making going wrong.</description>
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		<title>By: Eark_the_Bunny</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, methanol, going blind, not going blind, bacteria, lead soldered copper pipes, illegal as heck, liver damage.  I think I will just stick to root beer and avoid the dangers of homemade booze.
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of a method to distill on solar power with a mobile setup, and I thought about combining these existing ideas:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-moonshine/

http://solarcooking.org/plans/barbeque.htm

and then this for cooling the condenser:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Solar-Cooler-in-a-Can/

As far as I can tell, the only real trouble lies in controlling the temperature, but apart from that, I think you could create a mobile solar distillery that could fit in your backpack.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of a method to distill on solar power with a mobile setup, and I thought about combining these existing ideas:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-moonshine/" rel="nofollow">http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-moonshine/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://solarcooking.org/plans/barbeque.htm" rel="nofollow">http://solarcooking.org/plans/barbeque.htm</a></p>
<p>and then this for cooling the condenser:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/Solar-Cooler-in-a-Can/" rel="nofollow">http://www.instructables.com/id/Solar-Cooler-in-a-Can/</a></p>
<p>As far as I can tell, the only real trouble lies in controlling the temperature, but apart from that, I think you could create a mobile solar distillery that could fit in your backpack.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, neat idea, but the whole trick to stillin&#039; is making cuts. And that trick becomes way more tricky the smaller the amount you&#039;ve got in the boiler. A 10L charge is going to go from foreshots to heads in no time, have a brief run of hearts and slide into tails in the course of 45 minutes so it takes considerable skill to catch all that in a timely manner.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, neat idea, but the whole trick to stillin&#8217; is making cuts. And that trick becomes way more tricky the smaller the amount you&#8217;ve got in the boiler. A 10L charge is going to go from foreshots to heads in no time, have a brief run of hearts and slide into tails in the course of 45 minutes so it takes considerable skill to catch all that in a timely manner.</p>
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