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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to Ernunnos, btw. An annoying feature of comments system here is that if you try to reply, and then log in as requested, the system forgets you are replying to a message and treats your response as a new message -- basically replying only works if you are *already* logged in.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to Ernunnos, btw. An annoying feature of comments system here is that if you try to reply, and then log in as requested, the system forgets you are replying to a message and treats your response as a new message &#8212; basically replying only works if you are *already* logged in.</p>
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		<title>By: beaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>beaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a kid, we used to all take ice cold showers and then jump into the swimming pool. The water felt so warm, so enveloping.  In a nutshell, that is stoicism--resetting the set points for joy and agony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a kid, we used to all take ice cold showers and then jump into the swimming pool. The water felt so warm, so enveloping.  In a nutshell, that is stoicism&#8211;resetting the set points for joy and agony.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-899857</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the very act of kissing a child, we should silently reflect on the possibility that she will die tomorrow.&quot;
&quot;Why would anyone want to do that?&quot;


I&#039;ll tell you why. I lost my two precious children 2 years ago. Every day I live without them makes me wish I had thought of them this way.


&quot;By thinking of our kids as precious gifts that could be taken from us at any moment we will come to treasure the time we spend with them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the very act of kissing a child, we should silently reflect on the possibility that she will die tomorrow.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Why would anyone want to do that?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you why. I lost my two precious children 2 years ago. Every day I live without them makes me wish I had thought of them this way.</p>
<p>&#8220;By thinking of our kids as precious gifts that could be taken from us at any moment we will come to treasure the time we spend with them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Strabo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-891158</link>
		<dc:creator>Strabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a completely different note, I noticed the cover of the book and thought, &quot;I KNOW that statue, where have I seen it before?&quot;  It took me a moment to remember and then a few more minutes to track it down.  It&#039;s Nydia, The Blind Flower Girl of Pompeii, modeled by Randolph Rogers.  It&#039;s in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/2446&quot;&gt;collection&lt;/a&gt; of the Art Institute in Chicago (biggest art museum in the city).  Apparently it&#039;s Rogers&#039; most famous piece.

I fell in love with it the first time I saw it, so I was sure to take a few &lt;a href=&quot;http://img529.imageshack.us/i/img5539v.jpg/&quot;&gt;shots&lt;/a&gt; the next time I went to the museum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a completely different note, I noticed the cover of the book and thought, &#8220;I KNOW that statue, where have I seen it before?&#8221;  It took me a moment to remember and then a few more minutes to track it down.  It&#8217;s Nydia, The Blind Flower Girl of Pompeii, modeled by Randolph Rogers.  It&#8217;s in the <a href="http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/2446">collection</a> of the Art Institute in Chicago (biggest art museum in the city).  Apparently it&#8217;s Rogers&#8217; most famous piece.</p>
<p>I fell in love with it the first time I saw it, so I was sure to take a few <a href="http://img529.imageshack.us/i/img5539v.jpg/">shots</a> the next time I went to the museum.</p>
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		<title>By: sapere_aude</title>
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		<dc:creator>sapere_aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6877249402964035542#&quot;&gt;THIS VIDEO&lt;/a&gt; from philosopher Alain de Botton gives a pretty good brief overview of the Stoic attitude towards life, as expressed through the life and writings of the great Roman Stoic philosopher, Seneca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6877249402964035542#">THIS VIDEO</a> from philosopher Alain de Botton gives a pretty good brief overview of the Stoic attitude towards life, as expressed through the life and writings of the great Roman Stoic philosopher, Seneca.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I didn&#039;t know there was a term to how I think. I wasn&#039;t always like this though. Over the past several years I have had so many disappointments it has made me really appreciate the good things in my like and to not take things for granted. Things can always be worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I didn&#8217;t know there was a term to how I think. I wasn&#8217;t always like this though. Over the past several years I have had so many disappointments it has made me really appreciate the good things in my like and to not take things for granted. Things can always be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: TharkLord</title>
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		<dc:creator>TharkLord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternate perspective on &quot;negative visualization&quot;:

&quot;Exposure treatments are usually known as either flooding or graduated exposure:

* Flooding exposes the person to the anxiety-producing stimulus for as long as 1 - 2 hours.
* Graduated exposure gives the patient a greater degree of control over the length and frequency of exposures.

In both cases, the patient experiences the anxiety over and over until the stimulating event eventually loses its effect. Combining exposure with standard cognitive therapy may be particularly beneficial. This approach has helped certain patients in most anxiety disorder categories, including post-traumatic stress disorder.&quot;

http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_psychotherapeutic_other_non-drug_approaches_anxiety_disorder_000028_8.htm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternate perspective on &#8220;negative visualization&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Exposure treatments are usually known as either flooding or graduated exposure:</p>
<p>* Flooding exposes the person to the anxiety-producing stimulus for as long as 1 &#8211; 2 hours.<br />
* Graduated exposure gives the patient a greater degree of control over the length and frequency of exposures.</p>
<p>In both cases, the patient experiences the anxiety over and over until the stimulating event eventually loses its effect. Combining exposure with standard cognitive therapy may be particularly beneficial. This approach has helped certain patients in most anxiety disorder categories, including post-traumatic stress disorder.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_psychotherapeutic_other_non-drug_approaches_anxiety_disorder_000028_8.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_psychotherapeutic_other_non-drug_approaches_anxiety_disorder_000028_8.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: self-propelled</title>
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		<dc:creator>self-propelled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The psychologist Sonja Lyubomirsky wrote a piece for Scientific American (reproduced &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodreads.com&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) reporting on studies that recommend an alternative technique: visualising how positive events might never have happened.

Researchers asked participants to write about their relationships, either how they met their partner or speculating on how they might never have met. &quot;The biggest increase in satisfaction with the relationship occurred not in the group that pondered the sunny beginnings of their union but in the â€œmental subtractionâ€ (or â€œHow I might never have met Peterâ€) group.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The psychologist Sonja Lyubomirsky wrote a piece for Scientific American (reproduced <a href="http://www.goodreads.com">here</a>) reporting on studies that recommend an alternative technique: visualising how positive events might never have happened.</p>
<p>Researchers asked participants to write about their relationships, either how they met their partner or speculating on how they might never have met. &#8220;The biggest increase in satisfaction with the relationship occurred not in the group that pondered the sunny beginnings of their union but in the â€œmental subtractionâ€ (or â€œHow I might never have met Peterâ€) group.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: djfatsostupid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-891423</link>
		<dc:creator>djfatsostupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m like the many other commenters here who instinctively engages in negative visualization and obsesses over mortality.  As many others have said, this is a very bad thing and it is also not stoicism.  For those suffer from naive optimism, this may be a useful exercise to help change their frame of mind.  For those of us who are constantly anxious about imagined dangers, the exercise should instead be to take whatever scenario you dreamed up that is frightening you and try to focus on what that would *really* be like.  Real pain and suffering are rarely as bad as we are capable of imagining that they will be.

That being said I am certainly not a stoic and I&#039;m not sure I see the value in being one.  I don&#039;t doubt the efficacy of stoicism (though if I wanted to be happy I&#039;d be going the mindfulness and meditation route as taught by Buddhists because I think they have a more fleshed out explanation of what I need to do to get there as opposed to just a description of the end state) and many of the roads to happiness developed in ancient times still work pretty well today.  But the stoics were convinced that finding that kind of contentment was actually the purpose of life, or at the very least the best way to live.

I&#039;ve lived with a lot of different emotions, and at different times I&#039;ve tried to feel one way or another.  At some point, though, I&#039;ve had to ask myself what the purpose of trying to feel any particular way is.  I think most people take it for granted that it is better to be happy than sad, or that it is better to be content than worried.  I struggle with this idea because I&#039;m not sure how I could make that judgement.

Ultimately any philosophy that strives for contentment can only be effective if you want to be content.  Of course if you&#039;ve never really been content then trying this sort of thing out to at least get an idea of what that&#039;s like will help you make an informed decision about whether contentment is for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m like the many other commenters here who instinctively engages in negative visualization and obsesses over mortality.  As many others have said, this is a very bad thing and it is also not stoicism.  For those suffer from naive optimism, this may be a useful exercise to help change their frame of mind.  For those of us who are constantly anxious about imagined dangers, the exercise should instead be to take whatever scenario you dreamed up that is frightening you and try to focus on what that would *really* be like.  Real pain and suffering are rarely as bad as we are capable of imagining that they will be.</p>
<p>That being said I am certainly not a stoic and I&#8217;m not sure I see the value in being one.  I don&#8217;t doubt the efficacy of stoicism (though if I wanted to be happy I&#8217;d be going the mindfulness and meditation route as taught by Buddhists because I think they have a more fleshed out explanation of what I need to do to get there as opposed to just a description of the end state) and many of the roads to happiness developed in ancient times still work pretty well today.  But the stoics were convinced that finding that kind of contentment was actually the purpose of life, or at the very least the best way to live.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived with a lot of different emotions, and at different times I&#8217;ve tried to feel one way or another.  At some point, though, I&#8217;ve had to ask myself what the purpose of trying to feel any particular way is.  I think most people take it for granted that it is better to be happy than sad, or that it is better to be content than worried.  I struggle with this idea because I&#8217;m not sure how I could make that judgement.</p>
<p>Ultimately any philosophy that strives for contentment can only be effective if you want to be content.  Of course if you&#8217;ve never really been content then trying this sort of thing out to at least get an idea of what that&#8217;s like will help you make an informed decision about whether contentment is for you.</p>
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		<title>By: hershmire</title>
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		<dc:creator>hershmire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to interrupt the flow of the convo, but I gotta point out credit.com is a lot different from creditbloggers.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to interrupt the flow of the convo, but I gotta point out credit.com is a lot different from creditbloggers.com.</p>
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		<title>By: aquathug</title>
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		<dc:creator>aquathug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Ven. Robina Cortin once said; &quot;We don&#039;t get angry because the glass is broken, we get angry because we thought the glass would never break&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Ven. Robina Cortin once said; &#8220;We don&#8217;t get angry because the glass is broken, we get angry because we thought the glass would never break&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are wrong. Creditbloggers is credit.com&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong. Creditbloggers is credit.com&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. I&#039;ve been a stoic for a long time and didn&#039;t know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. I&#8217;ve been a stoic for a long time and didn&#8217;t know it.</p>
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		<title>By: bardfinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>bardfinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While not medical advice, I must personally observe that Wellbutrin, Zoloft, and other anti-depressant / anti-anxiety medications are -- for me -- far more effective than two decades of stoic attitude and practice. I reflexively planned out all possible adverse contingencies as a matter of course. It allowed for tranquility and contentment when my life was going well, but there&#039;s a considerable backlash when one&#039;s nightmares actually occur. The constant &quot;It could be worse&quot; refrain caused me to stay in abusive relationships and led some people to take advantage of me.

For those who undertake a stoic philosophy, a strong sense of healthy boundaries are essential if one is going to live in society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not medical advice, I must personally observe that Wellbutrin, Zoloft, and other anti-depressant / anti-anxiety medications are &#8212; for me &#8212; far more effective than two decades of stoic attitude and practice. I reflexively planned out all possible adverse contingencies as a matter of course. It allowed for tranquility and contentment when my life was going well, but there&#8217;s a considerable backlash when one&#8217;s nightmares actually occur. The constant &#8220;It could be worse&#8221; refrain caused me to stay in abusive relationships and led some people to take advantage of me.</p>
<p>For those who undertake a stoic philosophy, a strong sense of healthy boundaries are essential if one is going to live in society.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great quote, Aquathug!</description>
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		<title>By: ArghMonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArghMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still want to know if Mark is secretly a Canadian *L*

Especially after the CBC had a podcast about this book and its author just a few weeks ago and I read the updated article from that cbc conversation, dated today!

Spill it Frauenfelder! ;)

Do you watch hockey? Do you know what a poutine is? ARE YOU INFACT A DOUBLE AGENT FOR CANADA IN THE U.S.?!?!

I await your reply</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still want to know if Mark is secretly a Canadian *L*</p>
<p>Especially after the CBC had a podcast about this book and its author just a few weeks ago and I read the updated article from that cbc conversation, dated today!</p>
<p>Spill it Frauenfelder! ;)</p>
<p>Do you watch hockey? Do you know what a poutine is? ARE YOU INFACT A DOUBLE AGENT FOR CANADA IN THE U.S.?!?!</p>
<p>I await your reply</p>
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		<title>By: robulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>robulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t possibly entertain the shortest, tiniest, imagination of anything happening to my kids. I&#039;ve become ultra sensitive to anything depicting cruelty or harm to children in the media, and I&#039;ve had to work a little to enjoy some of my favorite movies.

I&#039;m acutely conscious of the precious time I have with them as young children, and it&#039;s morbid enough being aware of that, I don&#039;t think clutching them to your chest and holding them like there&#039;s no tomorrow is good for either of us.

There&#039;s a transcendent path I&#039;m striving for, where you can live in the moment and appreciate it exquisitely, without constant awareness of the abyss. 

It&#039;s a work in progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t possibly entertain the shortest, tiniest, imagination of anything happening to my kids. I&#8217;ve become ultra sensitive to anything depicting cruelty or harm to children in the media, and I&#8217;ve had to work a little to enjoy some of my favorite movies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m acutely conscious of the precious time I have with them as young children, and it&#8217;s morbid enough being aware of that, I don&#8217;t think clutching them to your chest and holding them like there&#8217;s no tomorrow is good for either of us.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a transcendent path I&#8217;m striving for, where you can live in the moment and appreciate it exquisitely, without constant awareness of the abyss. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a work in progress.</p>
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		<title>By: sapere_aude</title>
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		<dc:creator>sapere_aude</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been practicing Stoicism (or at least attempting to do so) for many years now; and I have to say that it has both benefits and drawbacks.  On the plus side, it really does help you become more patient, more tolerant, and less angry; and it helps you to be mentally prepared for the worst case scenario so that bad things rarely take you by surprise, and you can remain reasonably calm and composed while the whole world is crashing all around you.  But that comes with a price.  Practicing Stoicism also makes you a bit more prone to anxiety, depression, and general moodiness, because you&#039;re always focusing on the negatives and not the positives; so Stoicism does tend to take some of the joy out of life.  Nonetheless, I find that, on balance, Stoicism does more good than harm.  I know I never would have gotten through the long-term illness and death of my father if it weren&#039;t for my Stoicism.  By mentally preparing myself for the worst, I was able to endure it far better than I otherwise would have.  In fact, I was actually surprised at how well I got through it.  It was a horrible experience; but it was less horrible than I imagined it would be.  There is an advantage to pessimism.  Optimists are often disappointed.  Pessimists rarely are; and are often pleasantly surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been practicing Stoicism (or at least attempting to do so) for many years now; and I have to say that it has both benefits and drawbacks.  On the plus side, it really does help you become more patient, more tolerant, and less angry; and it helps you to be mentally prepared for the worst case scenario so that bad things rarely take you by surprise, and you can remain reasonably calm and composed while the whole world is crashing all around you.  But that comes with a price.  Practicing Stoicism also makes you a bit more prone to anxiety, depression, and general moodiness, because you&#8217;re always focusing on the negatives and not the positives; so Stoicism does tend to take some of the joy out of life.  Nonetheless, I find that, on balance, Stoicism does more good than harm.  I know I never would have gotten through the long-term illness and death of my father if it weren&#8217;t for my Stoicism.  By mentally preparing myself for the worst, I was able to endure it far better than I otherwise would have.  In fact, I was actually surprised at how well I got through it.  It was a horrible experience; but it was less horrible than I imagined it would be.  There is an advantage to pessimism.  Optimists are often disappointed.  Pessimists rarely are; and are often pleasantly surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: biznacho</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-898367</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you quoted the Flaming Lips after this article. That has to be not only one of my favorite songs, I really like the simplicity of the ideas being sung about and how we overlook so many obvious things in life... I don&#039;t believe we NEED to have a guiding philosophy of life (stoicism, epicureanism, solipsism...) as long as we just don&#039;t take things for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you quoted the Flaming Lips after this article. That has to be not only one of my favorite songs, I really like the simplicity of the ideas being sung about and how we overlook so many obvious things in life&#8230; I don&#8217;t believe we NEED to have a guiding philosophy of life (stoicism, epicureanism, solipsism&#8230;) as long as we just don&#8217;t take things for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: flatfive</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-890945</link>
		<dc:creator>flatfive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you realize
that everyone you know
someday 
will die?
But instead of saying all of your goodbyes,
let them know you:
realize that life goes fast;
it&#039;s hard to make the good things last;
realize the sun doesn&#039;t go down,
it&#039;s just an illusion caused by the world
spinning round.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you realize<br />
that everyone you know<br />
someday<br />
will die?<br />
But instead of saying all of your goodbyes,<br />
let them know you:<br />
realize that life goes fast;<br />
it&#8217;s hard to make the good things last;<br />
realize the sun doesn&#8217;t go down,<br />
it&#8217;s just an illusion caused by the world<br />
spinning round.</p>
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		<title>By: Igili</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-1054274</link>
		<dc:creator>Igili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my mother became fatally ill, my (then) fiance, who fancies himself a stoic, told me I was having &quot;an ego-based reaction to a natural part of life.&quot;  He also said I wasn&#039;t doing a good job making the difficult decisions I had to make ASAP (hospice to let her go or hospital for treatment to help her stay?  resuscitate or let die?.  I said the staff at my mom&#039;s nursing home said I was doing an excellent job in a difficult situation.  His reply?  &quot;It figures they would say that.  I would disagree.&quot;  I&#039;m fine with his being a stoic.  I&#039;m not fine with his being unkind to me during one of the most difficult times of my life. Was he being a stoic in that moment or was he lacking in compassion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my mother became fatally ill, my (then) fiance, who fancies himself a stoic, told me I was having &#8220;an ego-based reaction to a natural part of life.&#8221;  He also said I wasn&#8217;t doing a good job making the difficult decisions I had to make ASAP (hospice to let her go or hospital for treatment to help her stay?  resuscitate or let die?.  I said the staff at my mom&#8217;s nursing home said I was doing an excellent job in a difficult situation.  His reply?  &#8220;It figures they would say that.  I would disagree.&#8221;  I&#8217;m fine with his being a stoic.  I&#8217;m not fine with his being unkind to me during one of the most difficult times of my life. Was he being a stoic in that moment or was he lacking in compassion?</p>
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		<title>By: sapere_aude</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-1056837</link>
		<dc:creator>sapere_aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Was he being a stoic in that moment or was he lacking in compassion?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Regardless of whether or not he was being a stoic in that moment, he was definitely being a jerk.  Being a stoic and being a jerk are not the same thing; but they&#039;re not mutually exclusive, either.  Stoics can be jerks in the same way that hedonists, existentialists, pragmatists, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Jews, atheists, agnostics, communists, progressives, liberals, libertarians, and conservatives can all be jerks â€“ &lt;i&gt;or not&lt;/i&gt; â€“ depending on their individual personalities.  No belief system &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; can make someone act like a jerk or prevent them from acting like a jerk.  The belief system is simply used as a convenient justification for patterns of behavior that one is inclined to engage in by dint of one&#039;s own character and personality.  It&#039;s simply a way of shirking individual responsibility for one&#039;s own actions: &lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t blame me for my behavior, blame my religion/ideology/philosophy of life, which compels me to behave this way.&lt;/i&gt;  It&#039;s a copout, pure and simple.  Jerks are jerks because they are jerks, not because of the belief system they subscribe to.

In my view, as a stoic, if someone can&#039;t be a stoic without being a jerk, they shouldn&#039;t even try to be a stoic at all.  Stoicism, like any other religion, ideology, or philosophy of life, must be tempered with compassion or it becomes counterproductive and potentially destructive.  Compassion must come first; stoicism second.  It wasn&#039;t his stoicism that was making him behave like a jerk toward you, it was his lack of compassion â€“ which is a personality problem.

But I have to question whether he really was being a stoic at that moment.  He was certainly not being a &lt;i&gt;perfect&lt;/i&gt; stoic (of course, none of us is ever a &lt;i&gt;perfect&lt;/i&gt; stoic, or a perfect anything else, for that matter).  A perfect stoic would accept your natural reaction to this personal tragedy with the same equanimity that he accepted the tragedy itself.  The fact that he was able to accept the tragedy but not your reaction to it demonstrates that he was not really thinking like a stoic in that moment.  It seems to me that he was having trouble dealing with your emotions.  The point of stoicism is not to berate people for having emotions; it&#039;s to help people deal with their emotions in a positive way. 

Stoicism teaches, first and foremost, that we must draw a line of distinction between those things that are under our control and those things that are not under our control:  We must take personal responsibility for those things that are under our control; but we must learn to accept those things that are not under our control so that we don&#039;t become angry or frustrated when things don&#039;t turn out as we had hoped, and aren&#039;t paralyzed by fear and anxiety over the prospect that things will turn out badly.  The stoic ideal is one of clear-headed calmness in the face of danger and difficulty; not one of utter emotional detachment from the people you supposedly love.  Your ex-fiancÃ© sounds more like a sociopath than a stoic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Was he being a stoic in that moment or was he lacking in compassion?</p></blockquote>
<p>Regardless of whether or not he was being a stoic in that moment, he was definitely being a jerk.  Being a stoic and being a jerk are not the same thing; but they&#8217;re not mutually exclusive, either.  Stoics can be jerks in the same way that hedonists, existentialists, pragmatists, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Jews, atheists, agnostics, communists, progressives, liberals, libertarians, and conservatives can all be jerks â€“ <i>or not</i> â€“ depending on their individual personalities.  No belief system <i>per se</i> can make someone act like a jerk or prevent them from acting like a jerk.  The belief system is simply used as a convenient justification for patterns of behavior that one is inclined to engage in by dint of one&#8217;s own character and personality.  It&#8217;s simply a way of shirking individual responsibility for one&#8217;s own actions: <i>Don&#8217;t blame me for my behavior, blame my religion/ideology/philosophy of life, which compels me to behave this way.</i>  It&#8217;s a copout, pure and simple.  Jerks are jerks because they are jerks, not because of the belief system they subscribe to.</p>
<p>In my view, as a stoic, if someone can&#8217;t be a stoic without being a jerk, they shouldn&#8217;t even try to be a stoic at all.  Stoicism, like any other religion, ideology, or philosophy of life, must be tempered with compassion or it becomes counterproductive and potentially destructive.  Compassion must come first; stoicism second.  It wasn&#8217;t his stoicism that was making him behave like a jerk toward you, it was his lack of compassion â€“ which is a personality problem.</p>
<p>But I have to question whether he really was being a stoic at that moment.  He was certainly not being a <i>perfect</i> stoic (of course, none of us is ever a <i>perfect</i> stoic, or a perfect anything else, for that matter).  A perfect stoic would accept your natural reaction to this personal tragedy with the same equanimity that he accepted the tragedy itself.  The fact that he was able to accept the tragedy but not your reaction to it demonstrates that he was not really thinking like a stoic in that moment.  It seems to me that he was having trouble dealing with your emotions.  The point of stoicism is not to berate people for having emotions; it&#8217;s to help people deal with their emotions in a positive way. </p>
<p>Stoicism teaches, first and foremost, that we must draw a line of distinction between those things that are under our control and those things that are not under our control:  We must take personal responsibility for those things that are under our control; but we must learn to accept those things that are not under our control so that we don&#8217;t become angry or frustrated when things don&#8217;t turn out as we had hoped, and aren&#8217;t paralyzed by fear and anxiety over the prospect that things will turn out badly.  The stoic ideal is one of clear-headed calmness in the face of danger and difficulty; not one of utter emotional detachment from the people you supposedly love.  Your ex-fiancÃ© sounds more like a sociopath than a stoic.</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-891207</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree! Being aware of what bad can happen is at least for me a recipe for my anxiety to go running wild, I just started my anxiety medication after spiralling way down into panic attacks. And thinking about losing my child... not a good place for me to go, seriously!

I&#039;m a realist, I like to know what is the worst thing that can happen, what is the best, and what is the realistic thing. But always being aware of what is the worst will at least for me lead to axiety. I rather like to concentrate on the good things _now_, and be content in what I have _now_. Not dwell on &quot;oh, if I had x I would be happy&quot;, that so many seem to do. If there is something that really is in the way of me being happy in the now, then fix that (the reason I&#039;m now on axiety medication), but my philosophy is that true happiness is found in finding a way to be content in who you are and what you have now. Oh, and believing that everything will work out, somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree! Being aware of what bad can happen is at least for me a recipe for my anxiety to go running wild, I just started my anxiety medication after spiralling way down into panic attacks. And thinking about losing my child&#8230; not a good place for me to go, seriously!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a realist, I like to know what is the worst thing that can happen, what is the best, and what is the realistic thing. But always being aware of what is the worst will at least for me lead to axiety. I rather like to concentrate on the good things _now_, and be content in what I have _now_. Not dwell on &#8220;oh, if I had x I would be happy&#8221;, that so many seem to do. If there is something that really is in the way of me being happy in the now, then fix that (the reason I&#8217;m now on axiety medication), but my philosophy is that true happiness is found in finding a way to be content in who you are and what you have now. Oh, and believing that everything will work out, somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: pfh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-890967</link>
		<dc:creator>pfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Epictetus&#039;s time, children dying was rather more common than it is now. When people asked after each others&#039; health it was not an idle pleasantry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Epictetus&#8217;s time, children dying was rather more common than it is now. When people asked after each others&#8217; health it was not an idle pleasantry.</p>
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		<title>By: MachineElf</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-890969</link>
		<dc:creator>MachineElf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s worth pointing out that it&#039;s not necessary to actually visualise the loss of loved ones. All that is needed is a mindfulness of the possibility.

The cracked glass analogy is a good one - too many people see Stoicism as focusing on negative things. Instead, it simply brings focus to the inevitable. Prepare yourself for the inevitable, and treat every day of sentience as you should - as an honour and a blessing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s worth pointing out that it&#8217;s not necessary to actually visualise the loss of loved ones. All that is needed is a mindfulness of the possibility.</p>
<p>The cracked glass analogy is a good one &#8211; too many people see Stoicism as focusing on negative things. Instead, it simply brings focus to the inevitable. Prepare yourself for the inevitable, and treat every day of sentience as you should &#8211; as an honour and a blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: EricT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/09/20/how-becoming-a-stoic.html#comment-901209</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of things I like about Stoicism, but I the Teleological element is always a sticking point for me.  Key to innerserenity of an Epictetus or a Marcus Aurelius is a belief that Zeus is good and things happen for a reason.  I&#039;ve read too much Russian literature to accept that.  Still, I&#039;d much rather hang out with Seneca than Job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of things I like about Stoicism, but I the Teleological element is always a sticking point for me.  Key to innerserenity of an Epictetus or a Marcus Aurelius is a belief that Zeus is good and things happen for a reason.  I&#8217;ve read too much Russian literature to accept that.  Still, I&#8217;d much rather hang out with Seneca than Job.</p>
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		<title>By: Fett101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fett101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is the Lake Wobegon style of philosophy then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is the Lake Wobegon style of philosophy then?</p>
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		<title>By: Ernunnos</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer Epicureanism. Contentment is easily achieved. It does not require the emotional investment of constantly dwelling on the worst-case scenarios. The worst rarely happens, that&#039;s why we call it &quot;the worst.&quot; While one needs a certain amount of humility in the face of death - Against which, &quot;we all live in a city without walls&quot; - there&#039;s no point in spending mental energy preparing for &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; possible thing that could happen.

To quote Titus Lucretius:

For just as children are afraid of the dark,
their elders, as often as not, are afraid in the light
of things which really there is just as little cause to fear
as those with which children contrive to frighten themselves.
These grown-up terrors are also no more than shadows
and yet they are nothing that sunlight can dissipate:
What is needed is the rational study of nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer Epicureanism. Contentment is easily achieved. It does not require the emotional investment of constantly dwelling on the worst-case scenarios. The worst rarely happens, that&#8217;s why we call it &#8220;the worst.&#8221; While one needs a certain amount of humility in the face of death &#8211; Against which, &#8220;we all live in a city without walls&#8221; &#8211; there&#8217;s no point in spending mental energy preparing for <i>every</i> possible thing that could happen.</p>
<p>To quote Titus Lucretius:</p>
<p>For just as children are afraid of the dark,<br />
their elders, as often as not, are afraid in the light<br />
of things which really there is just as little cause to fear<br />
as those with which children contrive to frighten themselves.<br />
These grown-up terrors are also no more than shadows<br />
and yet they are nothing that sunlight can dissipate:<br />
What is needed is the rational study of nature.</p>
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		<title>By: sapere_aude</title>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really think that sort of teleology is essential to Stoicism.  After all, Seneca&#039;s Stoicism was based, in part, on the idea that Fortuna was arbitrary and cruel.  His Stoicism seemed to be based not on the idea that it will all work out for the best in the end, but instead on the idea that life sucks, but there&#039;s nothing you can do about it so you might as well just get used to it.

And even if you choose to embrace Stoic teleology, that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that you have to accept the notion that it will all work out for the best in the end.  All you really have to accept is that things happen the way they do because that&#039;s just how nature works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really think that sort of teleology is essential to Stoicism.  After all, Seneca&#8217;s Stoicism was based, in part, on the idea that Fortuna was arbitrary and cruel.  His Stoicism seemed to be based not on the idea that it will all work out for the best in the end, but instead on the idea that life sucks, but there&#8217;s nothing you can do about it so you might as well just get used to it.</p>
<p>And even if you choose to embrace Stoic teleology, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that you have to accept the notion that it will all work out for the best in the end.  All you really have to accept is that things happen the way they do because that&#8217;s just how nature works.</p>
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		<title>By: rtorosyan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I find this to be one of the most heartfelt and powerful postings on Boing Boing. But that&#039;s probably because I&#039;m a father of a two year old girl. With her, I too find that practicing gratitude and specifically visualizing that all this goodness might disappear tomorrow, really does make me appreciate it all the more. As I&#039;m reading several different books on &quot;subjective well being&quot; (i.e. happiness; that&#039;s what Frauenfelder&#039;s &quot;hedonic adaptation&quot; refers to) I&#039;m amazed too at how many common themes they have in common. In particular, with books like Happier (the fastest read), The How of Happiness (the most scientific of them), and The Happiness Hypothesis (possibly the most comprehensive, spanning east-west thought, from the most speculative spiritual philosophy to the hardest psych research), they all share this activity of savoring what&#039;s good in life. (&quot;Conan, what is good in life?&quot; notwithstanding) What&#039;s more, other acts that make us happier, like enjoying flow experiences at work and home, similarly get strengthened the more we practice gratitude: when we specifically name what is working, what has gone well, what are we lucky to have, we train our dopomine cells to remember what got them firing, and we&#039;re more likely to experience still more joy. Not that it&#039;s easy. I fall off the wagon constantly. That&#039;s what I want to figure out: How to remember the darned lessons learned. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I find this to be one of the most heartfelt and powerful postings on Boing Boing. But that&#8217;s probably because I&#8217;m a father of a two year old girl. With her, I too find that practicing gratitude and specifically visualizing that all this goodness might disappear tomorrow, really does make me appreciate it all the more. As I&#8217;m reading several different books on &#8220;subjective well being&#8221; (i.e. happiness; that&#8217;s what Frauenfelder&#8217;s &#8220;hedonic adaptation&#8221; refers to) I&#8217;m amazed too at how many common themes they have in common. In particular, with books like Happier (the fastest read), The How of Happiness (the most scientific of them), and The Happiness Hypothesis (possibly the most comprehensive, spanning east-west thought, from the most speculative spiritual philosophy to the hardest psych research), they all share this activity of savoring what&#8217;s good in life. (&#8220;Conan, what is good in life?&#8221; notwithstanding) What&#8217;s more, other acts that make us happier, like enjoying flow experiences at work and home, similarly get strengthened the more we practice gratitude: when we specifically name what is working, what has gone well, what are we lucky to have, we train our dopomine cells to remember what got them firing, and we&#8217;re more likely to experience still more joy. Not that it&#8217;s easy. I fall off the wagon constantly. That&#8217;s what I want to figure out: How to remember the darned lessons learned. </p>
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