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		<title>By: words4weapons</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906497</link>
		<dc:creator>words4weapons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to be comical at #31. I&#039;ll try harder next time. :)</description>
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		<title>By: boxbrown</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906248</link>
		<dc:creator>boxbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listen to a Fundamentalist Christian podcast called &quot;Rapture Ready Radio&quot; (for kicks) and they HATE Yoga.  </description>
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		<title>By: Zergonapal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906505</link>
		<dc:creator>Zergonapal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem to me that Yoga is quite compatible with Christianity, Islam and Judaism, for is it not true that the body is the temple of god? So by maintaining the temple you are honoring god
You don&#039;t need blinkered religious leaders, for the reality is that a person who comes to you and says I am your leader is a liar and a false prophet, for there are no leaders, but teachers instead. You will not listen to a fool if he cannot teach you math, so why would you listen to a fool whose utterances make you question his wisdom? You don&#039;t need made up rules. All you need is your religious text, a resolution to live by it and a strong dose of common sense and you will do right by your god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem to me that Yoga is quite compatible with Christianity, Islam and Judaism, for is it not true that the body is the temple of god? So by maintaining the temple you are honoring god<br />
You don&#8217;t need blinkered religious leaders, for the reality is that a person who comes to you and says I am your leader is a liar and a false prophet, for there are no leaders, but teachers instead. You will not listen to a fool if he cannot teach you math, so why would you listen to a fool whose utterances make you question his wisdom? You don&#8217;t need made up rules. All you need is your religious text, a resolution to live by it and a strong dose of common sense and you will do right by your god.</p>
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		<title>By: ill lich</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906508</link>
		<dc:creator>ill lich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Eastern Orthodox church there is a practice very similar to yoga, revolving around continual inner chanting of &quot;The Jesus Prayer&quot; 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Prayer

And although Christian leaders like to claim that it is distinct from yoga, once you look into it you can see that basically it&#039;s the same, and the Church is just parsing words to claim it&#039;s something different and uniquely &quot;Christian.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Eastern Orthodox church there is a practice very similar to yoga, revolving around continual inner chanting of &#8220;The Jesus Prayer&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Prayer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Prayer</a></p>
<p>And although Christian leaders like to claim that it is distinct from yoga, once you look into it you can see that basically it&#8217;s the same, and the Church is just parsing words to claim it&#8217;s something different and uniquely &#8220;Christian.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906509</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoga, Pilates are already banned in Malaysia by the government. Football jerseys are also banned (following a football team is seen as possible idolatry).

Oh also movies that are banned at some point there include:
Space Jam
Babe
Babe 2: A pig in the city</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoga, Pilates are already banned in Malaysia by the government. Football jerseys are also banned (following a football team is seen as possible idolatry).</p>
<p>Oh also movies that are banned at some point there include:<br />
Space Jam<br />
Babe<br />
Babe 2: A pig in the city</p>
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		<title>By: KevinQ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906256</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a co-worker who is deeply conservative Christian, who attended seminary college.  (In this case, Methodist.)  He told me, in no uncertain terms, that meditating is dangerous because  if you open your mind up, any sort of demon could enter.

He was serious.  It helped me to see that, despite it&#039;s status as a &quot;mainstream&quot; religion, (certain) Christians believe in demons and witchcraft just as much as any Wiccan.

Christians who fear other religions do so not because they don&#039;t think something&#039;s there, but because they fear there might be.

K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a co-worker who is deeply conservative Christian, who attended seminary college.  (In this case, Methodist.)  He told me, in no uncertain terms, that meditating is dangerous because  if you open your mind up, any sort of demon could enter.</p>
<p>He was serious.  It helped me to see that, despite it&#8217;s status as a &#8220;mainstream&#8221; religion, (certain) Christians believe in demons and witchcraft just as much as any Wiccan.</p>
<p>Christians who fear other religions do so not because they don&#8217;t think something&#8217;s there, but because they fear there might be.</p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mercer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906513</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians bad mouthing yoga.

This strikes me as another &quot;Macys vs. Gimbels&quot; case, i.e. they&#039;re bad mouthing the competition in order to prevent some of their customers from going across the street and trying another provider of spiritual services.

Not too far off from Scientology&#039;s scathing hatred of psychologists, methinks.</description>
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<p>This strikes me as another &#8220;Macys vs. Gimbels&#8221; case, i.e. they&#8217;re bad mouthing the competition in order to prevent some of their customers from going across the street and trying another provider of spiritual services.</p>
<p>Not too far off from Scientology&#8217;s scathing hatred of psychologists, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: mgfarrelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906258</link>
		<dc:creator>mgfarrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this guy hears about Tai Chi he&#039;s gonna lose it. </description>
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		<title>By: Greaterspirit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906514</link>
		<dc:creator>Greaterspirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does this guy know about yoga.  He likely doesn&#039;t even understand his own religion.  The recent survey conducted by the Pew Forum had many surprising facts, such as: Fewer than one-in-five people (16%) correctly identify Protestantism as the faith that traditionally teaches that salvation comes through faith alone.

Also: Just 46% of those polled correctly identify Martin Luther (1483-1546) as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant reformation.

And... only 42% of American Protestants correctly identify the Dalai Lamaâ€™s religion as Buddhism.  Seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does this guy know about yoga.  He likely doesn&#8217;t even understand his own religion.  The recent survey conducted by the Pew Forum had many surprising facts, such as: Fewer than one-in-five people (16%) correctly identify Protestantism as the faith that traditionally teaches that salvation comes through faith alone.</p>
<p>Also: Just 46% of those polled correctly identify Martin Luther (1483-1546) as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant reformation.</p>
<p>And&#8230; only 42% of American Protestants correctly identify the Dalai Lamaâ€™s religion as Buddhism.  Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think for yourself and question authority.  It&#039;s hard to believe that people are so unwilling to believe in the faith that exists in all of us...we are all manifestations of God, and actually buy the latest flavor of crap from this fundamentalist.  This guy puts the &#039;Mental&#039; into fundaMentalism.  Truly. It is time, now, people, brothers and sisters, family all, to completely reject the dictator-like thinking behind this type of thing, and reject the absurdity inherent of fundamental religions.  Help each other out, believe you are lovable, spread love, be nice to all of God&#039;s creatures, and feel the divinity of practices like Yoga. Doreen Virtue writes that those who invented yoga sent forward in time prayers for us.  She says the Angels encourage us to utilize the divine practice of Yoga to strengthen our minds and bodies.  People like Molher are afraid that he&#039;ll lose out on the almighty Dollar, which he worships, if we find our own way and our own paths to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think for yourself and question authority.  It&#8217;s hard to believe that people are so unwilling to believe in the faith that exists in all of us&#8230;we are all manifestations of God, and actually buy the latest flavor of crap from this fundamentalist.  This guy puts the &#8216;Mental&#8217; into fundaMentalism.  Truly. It is time, now, people, brothers and sisters, family all, to completely reject the dictator-like thinking behind this type of thing, and reject the absurdity inherent of fundamental religions.  Help each other out, believe you are lovable, spread love, be nice to all of God&#8217;s creatures, and feel the divinity of practices like Yoga. Doreen Virtue writes that those who invented yoga sent forward in time prayers for us.  She says the Angels encourage us to utilize the divine practice of Yoga to strengthen our minds and bodies.  People like Molher are afraid that he&#8217;ll lose out on the almighty Dollar, which he worships, if we find our own way and our own paths to God.</p>
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		<title>By: stupidjerk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906259</link>
		<dc:creator>stupidjerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach yoga upon occasion...I don&#039;t believe in charging money for it so it&#039;s not something that puts food on my table...I agree with this man, not to say we would get along or would 

Liking something that makes you feel nice isn&#039;t a theological justification of that practice. No matter how far people make their yoga stray from a spiritual practice, it remains at root a spiritual/religious practice...it doesn&#039;t matter if you never meditate and heat the room to hundreds of degrees. People are pretty up in arms about this and I&#039;m not really sure why. My advice to christians who love yoga is to keep doing it, but accept there may be some clashes between it and your faiths ideology...but there are plenty of christian capitalist out there and I would say this is a lot easier to make an honest peace with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach yoga upon occasion&#8230;I don&#8217;t believe in charging money for it so it&#8217;s not something that puts food on my table&#8230;I agree with this man, not to say we would get along or would </p>
<p>Liking something that makes you feel nice isn&#8217;t a theological justification of that practice. No matter how far people make their yoga stray from a spiritual practice, it remains at root a spiritual/religious practice&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t matter if you never meditate and heat the room to hundreds of degrees. People are pretty up in arms about this and I&#8217;m not really sure why. My advice to christians who love yoga is to keep doing it, but accept there may be some clashes between it and your faiths ideology&#8230;but there are plenty of christian capitalist out there and I would say this is a lot easier to make an honest peace with.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mercer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906517</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QUOTE: &quot;Whether one accepts or rejects his argument, he&#039;s theologically on strong ground. His essential argument is 1) yoga cannot be completely divorced from its spiritual history and context, and 2) its context and goals are alien to basic mainstream Christian theology as it has existed for the last thousand years.&quot;

Except that all theology is entirely arbitrary, and if all Christians (or the vast majority) decided that yoga was in fact actually compatible with Christianity, then, hey, whadda ya know, it would be.  (And judging by the comments on this thread, such a change in attitude amongst Christians already has happened to some degree.)

Even if there were still a few other practitioners crying and screaming and hollering how it isn&#039;t, and how dare you sir, change Christian theology as it has been practiced for the last 2000 years?  

If such a hypothetical were to happen, and you were on the side of keeping alive the 2000 year tradition, then I suppose it would be time to start your own schism.  What fun!  You get to be in charge and wear the giant hat now!

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<p>Except that all theology is entirely arbitrary, and if all Christians (or the vast majority) decided that yoga was in fact actually compatible with Christianity, then, hey, whadda ya know, it would be.  (And judging by the comments on this thread, such a change in attitude amongst Christians already has happened to some degree.)</p>
<p>Even if there were still a few other practitioners crying and screaming and hollering how it isn&#8217;t, and how dare you sir, change Christian theology as it has been practiced for the last 2000 years?  </p>
<p>If such a hypothetical were to happen, and you were on the side of keeping alive the 2000 year tradition, then I suppose it would be time to start your own schism.  What fun!  You get to be in charge and wear the giant hat now!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like St. Teresa of Avila and plenty of other Christian mystics would consider &quot;the body [as] a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine&quot; perfectly compatible with Christian doctrine...  Turnabout, how is the mortification of the flesh substantially different from the practices of Hindu or Buddhist asceticism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like St. Teresa of Avila and plenty of other Christian mystics would consider &#8220;the body [as] a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine&#8221; perfectly compatible with Christian doctrine&#8230;  Turnabout, how is the mortification of the flesh substantially different from the practices of Hindu or Buddhist asceticism?</p>
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		<title>By: cjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Canada&#039;s Bible Belt and was given the same rules about yoga, way back in the 80s. It got me out of a lot of lame gym classes because I could tell the teacher her yoga unit was against my religion. 

It goes hand-in-hand with the mentality that acknowledging anything below the neck is risking a rapid transit ride to the big H. We had a saying: &quot;No having sex, because it might lead to dancing.&quot;

Fortunately, I grew up and now practice all three activities with zeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Canada&#8217;s Bible Belt and was given the same rules about yoga, way back in the 80s. It got me out of a lot of lame gym classes because I could tell the teacher her yoga unit was against my religion. </p>
<p>It goes hand-in-hand with the mentality that acknowledging anything below the neck is risking a rapid transit ride to the big H. We had a saying: &#8220;No having sex, because it might lead to dancing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fortunately, I grew up and now practice all three activities with zeal.</p>
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		<title>By: someToast</title>
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		<dc:creator>someToast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there&#039;s one thing Pat Robertson knows, it&#039;s spooky.</description>
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		<title>By: Purly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of passages in the Bible that reference the body as a sort of temple. The idea being that you take care of it, and you will be able to worship better. 
I&#039;m not religious myself, but my mother used to quote that scripture at me as her justification for doing yoga. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of passages in the Bible that reference the body as a sort of temple. The idea being that you take care of it, and you will be able to worship better.<br />
I&#8217;m not religious myself, but my mother used to quote that scripture at me as her justification for doing yoga. </p>
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		<title>By: flashdadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashdadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t open your mind to know god.

Can&#039;t use your body.

Mohler said he objects to &quot;the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t open your mind to know god.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t use your body.</p>
<p>Mohler said he objects to &#8220;the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the future of religion. There will be a book written that will include dumb ass crap like this, and people will abide by it because it was written in this book. Today&#039;s crazy talk is the futures religion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the future of religion. There will be a book written that will include dumb ass crap like this, and people will abide by it because it was written in this book. Today&#8217;s crazy talk is the futures religion. </p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906266</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoga = Spooky = Bad
Transubstantiation = Cannibalism = Good?</description>
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Transubstantiation = Cannibalism = Good?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;only 42% of American Protestants correctly identify the Dalai Lamaâ€™s religion as Buddhism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Paraphrased from SNL&#039;s Gandhi and the Bear c. 1983:

Gandhi: The road to nirvana is paved with positive intentions.
Julia Louis Dreyfuss: Nirvana? I think I ate in a Stuckey&#039;s there once.
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<p>Paraphrased from SNL&#8217;s Gandhi and the Bear c. 1983:</p>
<p>Gandhi: The road to nirvana is paved with positive intentions.<br />
Julia Louis Dreyfuss: Nirvana? I think I ate in a Stuckey&#8217;s there once.</p>
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		<title>By: Gendun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gendun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I encourage any reader who assumes the worst -- that this is merely xenophobic and insular spouting -- to be sure that you read Mohler&#039;s article before forming judgments about it. 

Whether one accepts or rejects his argument, he&#039;s theologically on strong ground. His essential argument is 1) yoga cannot be completely divorced from its spiritual history and context, and 2) its context and goals are alien to basic mainstream Christian theology as it has existed for the last thousand years. I would argue that both of these claims are clearly true. 

When HH the Dalai Lama argues that most people should remain within their formative religious traditions and not mix and match, observing that there are fundamental differences between different spiritual approaches, he generates no controversy or charges of bigotry. I think what we have here is a substantially similar claim. 

I would argue with many of the details of his reading of the history of yoga, particularly Mohler&#039;s claim that yoga traditions seek union with God through the body. Perhaps some do, but the Rajayoga expounded by Patanjali&#039;s Yogasutra most certainly does not. It is a vehemently dualistic tradition that asserts a complete separation between body and mind. 

I do not agree that Christians should not do yoga, but I do agree that people should be thoughtful about what they&#039;re doing and why, and not approach spiritual practice as a smorgasbord. What Mohler sees as the chaos of postmodern relativism, I see as a lack of reflection. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I encourage any reader who assumes the worst &#8212; that this is merely xenophobic and insular spouting &#8212; to be sure that you read Mohler&#8217;s article before forming judgments about it. </p>
<p>Whether one accepts or rejects his argument, he&#8217;s theologically on strong ground. His essential argument is 1) yoga cannot be completely divorced from its spiritual history and context, and 2) its context and goals are alien to basic mainstream Christian theology as it has existed for the last thousand years. I would argue that both of these claims are clearly true. </p>
<p>When HH the Dalai Lama argues that most people should remain within their formative religious traditions and not mix and match, observing that there are fundamental differences between different spiritual approaches, he generates no controversy or charges of bigotry. I think what we have here is a substantially similar claim. </p>
<p>I would argue with many of the details of his reading of the history of yoga, particularly Mohler&#8217;s claim that yoga traditions seek union with God through the body. Perhaps some do, but the Rajayoga expounded by Patanjali&#8217;s Yogasutra most certainly does not. It is a vehemently dualistic tradition that asserts a complete separation between body and mind. </p>
<p>I do not agree that Christians should not do yoga, but I do agree that people should be thoughtful about what they&#8217;re doing and why, and not approach spiritual practice as a smorgasbord. What Mohler sees as the chaos of postmodern relativism, I see as a lack of reflection. </p>
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		<title>By: philljcool</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like they need &lt;a href=http://praisemoves.com&gt;&quot;PraiseMoves: The Christian ALTERNATIVE to Yoga!&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. But seriously, I believe that Yoga (like martial arts, music and bingo) can be taken out of their spiritual context and enjoyed as a physical act. Some people even attend religious ceremonies for the ritual rather than the spiritual experience. A group I find particularly fascinating are the &lt;a href=https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nontheist_Friend&gt;Atheist Quakers&lt;/a&gt; who attend meetings for their own reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like they need <a href=http://praisemoves.com>&#8220;PraiseMoves: The Christian ALTERNATIVE to Yoga!&#8221;</a>. But seriously, I believe that Yoga (like martial arts, music and bingo) can be taken out of their spiritual context and enjoyed as a physical act. Some people even attend religious ceremonies for the ritual rather than the spiritual experience. A group I find particularly fascinating are the <a href=https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nontheist_Friend>Atheist Quakers</a> who attend meetings for their own reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: ZippySpincycle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing particularly new here; I remember, sometime in the early 1980s, being dragged by a friend to a Christianist movie that &quot;exposed&quot; &lt;i&gt;Star Wars&lt;/i&gt; (and especially the idea of &quot;The Force&quot;) as insidious Hindu propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing particularly new here; I remember, sometime in the early 1980s, being dragged by a friend to a Christianist movie that &#8220;exposed&#8221; <i>Star Wars</i> (and especially the idea of &#8220;The Force&#8221;) as insidious Hindu propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reject any religion that tries to sell ignorance as the guardian of virtue.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I can model the thought process:
Yoga has (long-sidelined) spiritual elements; wait, that could cause people to stop going to &lt;em&gt;our&lt;/em&gt; church for enlightenment! And that weird hatha bow thingy looks like demonic possession, I swear.

Since when did a church begin implying that there was only one correct path to your experience of God? Wait, nevermind, I think I answered my own question. Franchises hate, fear and denigrate competitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I can model the thought process:<br />
Yoga has (long-sidelined) spiritual elements; wait, that could cause people to stop going to <em>our</em> church for enlightenment! And that weird hatha bow thingy looks like demonic possession, I swear.</p>
<p>Since when did a church begin implying that there was only one correct path to your experience of God? Wait, nevermind, I think I answered my own question. Franchises hate, fear and denigrate competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: adent1066</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906276</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lobster,

For the record, Transubstantiation is a Roman Catholic thing, and fundy Christians like the guy from the article don&#039;t believe in it.  
Catholics != Fundamentalist </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lobster,</p>
<p>For the record, Transubstantiation is a Roman Catholic thing, and fundy Christians like the guy from the article don&#8217;t believe in it.<br />
Catholics != Fundamentalist </p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/08/christian-leader-avo.html#comment-906533</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys need to reconsider the dimensions of historical, spiritual Christianity - which they have devolved into a mere literary appreciation society, fixated on a single text.

Meister Eckhardt and San Juan De La Cruz are those who&#039;s lives, experience and writings would prompt immediate recognition in any long-term devoted practitioner of &lt;i&gt;prananyama&lt;/i&gt; and spiritual, &lt;i&gt;hatha&lt;/i&gt; yoga.

To say nothing of this text, contemporary with the emergence of &lt;i&gt;Bhakti&lt;/i&gt; yoga in India and &lt;i&gt;dhikr khafi&lt;/i&gt; in Persia. It remains a classic - preserved within Christian circles for over 700 years, without formal sponsorship.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud_of_Unknowing&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud_of_Unknowing&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iinet.com/~passtheword/Molinos/&quot;&gt;The Spiritual Guide&lt;/a&gt;, by Miguel de Molinos, is another book that would be recognisable by spiritual practitioners of yoga.  The emphasis on the proper master/disciple relationship is explored in its correct dimensions - including the error of wayfaring without guidance of one already well-travelled through the pitfalls and blind avenues, awaiting would-be practitioners.

Again, many hundreds of years of treasuring and protecting this book in Christian circles testify to a native tradition in the church, of meditative quitism, actively practised - despite persecution from the ecclesiastic hierarchy.

This condemnation came from the same churches, which consider their theological founding and the model for priesthood in the work of St. Thomas Aquinas.  Yet it is in Aquinas&#039; explanation of the &lt;i&gt;via negativa&lt;/i&gt; that one may clearly see a theological orthodoxy in quietist practices, still classed as &lt;i&gt;heresy&lt;/i&gt; in Catholicism.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys need to reconsider the dimensions of historical, spiritual Christianity &#8211; which they have devolved into a mere literary appreciation society, fixated on a single text.</p>
<p>Meister Eckhardt and San Juan De La Cruz are those who&#8217;s lives, experience and writings would prompt immediate recognition in any long-term devoted practitioner of <i>prananyama</i> and spiritual, <i>hatha</i> yoga.</p>
<p>To say nothing of this text, contemporary with the emergence of <i>Bhakti</i> yoga in India and <i>dhikr khafi</i> in Persia. It remains a classic &#8211; preserved within Christian circles for over 700 years, without formal sponsorship.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud_of_Unknowing">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud_of_Unknowing</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.iinet.com/~passtheword/Molinos/">The Spiritual Guide</a>, by Miguel de Molinos, is another book that would be recognisable by spiritual practitioners of yoga.  The emphasis on the proper master/disciple relationship is explored in its correct dimensions &#8211; including the error of wayfaring without guidance of one already well-travelled through the pitfalls and blind avenues, awaiting would-be practitioners.</p>
<p>Again, many hundreds of years of treasuring and protecting this book in Christian circles testify to a native tradition in the church, of meditative quitism, actively practised &#8211; despite persecution from the ecclesiastic hierarchy.</p>
<p>This condemnation came from the same churches, which consider their theological founding and the model for priesthood in the work of St. Thomas Aquinas.  Yet it is in Aquinas&#8217; explanation of the <i>via negativa</i> that one may clearly see a theological orthodoxy in quietist practices, still classed as <i>heresy</i> in Catholicism.</p>
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		<title>By: Chanttojah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chanttojah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same flavor of the same misguided religious nonsense that has happening for the last 2000 years, we as a species have advanced materially by leaps and bounds but the amazing thing is that spiritually we are still barbarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same flavor of the same misguided religious nonsense that has happening for the last 2000 years, we as a species have advanced materially by leaps and bounds but the amazing thing is that spiritually we are still barbarians.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think that an individual such as Mohler who puts such store in the bible would be a little more comfortable with contradiction.</description>
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		<title>By: georgethe23rd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at a Methodist organisation for six years and found them to be great, helpful, open minded people. But even the Methodist church near to me here in the UK has banned yoga being practised there. Completely bonkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a Methodist organisation for six years and found them to be great, helpful, open minded people. But even the Methodist church near to me here in the UK has banned yoga being practised there. Completely bonkers.</p>
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