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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/14/male-birds-use-optic.html#comment-911367</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... we just don&#039;t know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; we just don&#8217;t know</p>
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		<title>By: dainel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/14/male-birds-use-optic.html#comment-920842</link>
		<dc:creator>dainel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t make any sense.

The male is dancing way out back, amongst the big stones. So he appears smaller than he is. The female looks at the nearby stones. Sees that they are tiny. And thinks that the stones out back are tiny too. So she thinks the male is even smaller.

Someone made a mistake somewhere. Or else, the females like tiny little males.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>The male is dancing way out back, amongst the big stones. So he appears smaller than he is. The female looks at the nearby stones. Sees that they are tiny. And thinks that the stones out back are tiny too. So she thinks the male is even smaller.</p>
<p>Someone made a mistake somewhere. Or else, the females like tiny little males.</p>
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		<title>By: MatanArie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/14/male-birds-use-optic.html#comment-910880</link>
		<dc:creator>MatanArie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very confusing title to this post...


From &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccinellidae&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;:
Coccinellidae is a family of beetles, known variously as &lt;b&gt;ladybirds (UK, Ireland, Australia, Pakistan, South Africa, New Zealand, India, Malta, parts of Canada)&lt;/b&gt;, or ladybugs (North America). Scientists increasingly prefer the names ladybird beetles or lady beetles, as these insects are neither birds nor bugs. Lesser-used names include ladyclock, lady cow, and lady fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very confusing title to this post&#8230;</p>
<p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccinellidae">Wikipedia</a>:<br />
Coccinellidae is a family of beetles, known variously as <b>ladybirds (UK, Ireland, Australia, Pakistan, South Africa, New Zealand, India, Malta, parts of Canada)</b>, or ladybugs (North America). Scientists increasingly prefer the names ladybird beetles or lady beetles, as these insects are neither birds nor bugs. Lesser-used names include ladyclock, lady cow, and lady fly.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsBug</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrsBug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birds! How do they work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birds! How do they work?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/14/male-birds-use-optic.html#comment-911669</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scientists increasingly prefer the names ladybird beetles or lady beetles, as these insects are neither birds nor bugs. Lesser-used names include ladyclock, lady cow, and lady fly.&quot;

The term &#039;bug&#039; is an Americanism, so no, they&#039;re not bugs.  Do you mean insects?

&#039;Bug&#039; is to insect what &#039;tummy&#039; is to abdomen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientists increasingly prefer the names ladybird beetles or lady beetles, as these insects are neither birds nor bugs. Lesser-used names include ladyclock, lady cow, and lady fly.&#8221;</p>
<p>The term &#8216;bug&#8217; is an Americanism, so no, they&#8217;re not bugs.  Do you mean insects?</p>
<p>&#8216;Bug&#8217; is to insect what &#8216;tummy&#8217; is to abdomen.</p>
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		<title>By: szielins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/10/14/male-birds-use-optic.html#comment-911196</link>
		<dc:creator>szielins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is, that &quot;One of the possible reasons&quot; means just that.  It could also be a spandrel-- a quirk of behavior that showed up by random chance, which has not been selected out because it has not proven to be disadvantageous enough to significantly lower the probability of reproductive success.

Designing an experiment to test the hypothesis that female bower birds are more likely to mate with males if there is an optical illusion making the male appear larger is left as an exercise for the student.  (Hint: be sure to include a test to screen out the possibility that females prefer males whose nests appear to, from the peephole&#039;s perspective, make use of stones all of the same size-- regardless of the relative size of the male.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, that &#8220;One of the possible reasons&#8221; means just that.  It could also be a spandrel&#8211; a quirk of behavior that showed up by random chance, which has not been selected out because it has not proven to be disadvantageous enough to significantly lower the probability of reproductive success.</p>
<p>Designing an experiment to test the hypothesis that female bower birds are more likely to mate with males if there is an optical illusion making the male appear larger is left as an exercise for the student.  (Hint: be sure to include a test to screen out the possibility that females prefer males whose nests appear to, from the peephole&#8217;s perspective, make use of stones all of the same size&#8211; regardless of the relative size of the male.)</p>
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		<title>By: naty2101</title>
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		<dc:creator>naty2101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is very interesting how animals use different ways to
 get the other genders attention to find a mate.
 animals are very intelligent and resourceful to get what they want.
its incredible how animals think up something so complex and build 
it themselves just to get the females attention.
i think that there is a lot we can learn from animals they have the 
capability to invent things to get what they need.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is very interesting how animals use different ways to<br />
 get the other genders attention to find a mate.<br />
 animals are very intelligent and resourceful to get what they want.<br />
its incredible how animals think up something so complex and build<br />
it themselves just to get the females attention.<br />
i think that there is a lot we can learn from animals they have the<br />
capability to invent things to get what they need.   </p>
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		<title>By: sing it, baby</title>
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		<dc:creator>sing it, baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the personal ads -- try an Ames Room.</description>
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		<title>By: MatanArie</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatanArie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I did was quote Wikipedia.
I was not making any distinction between Insects, bugs or birds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I did was quote Wikipedia.<br />
I was not making any distinction between Insects, bugs or birds.</p>
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		<title>By: kmoser</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this does is make the bird seem the same size relative to all the stones, whether in the foreground or background. It doesn&#039;t do anything to make him seem bigger than the other birds since they&#039;re not in the same avenue together.

A smart bird would use very small pebbles throughout the avenue and dance as far towards the front as possible, thus ensuring he looks like a veritable ostrich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this does is make the bird seem the same size relative to all the stones, whether in the foreground or background. It doesn&#8217;t do anything to make him seem bigger than the other birds since they&#8217;re not in the same avenue together.</p>
<p>A smart bird would use very small pebbles throughout the avenue and dance as far towards the front as possible, thus ensuring he looks like a veritable ostrich.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>There&#039;s a good article on New Scientist about this from a couple of months back. It&#039;s also worth a Google images search because these birds are mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a good article on New Scientist about this from a couple of months back. It&#8217;s also worth a Google images search because these birds are mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiche de Resistance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiche de Resistance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also used illusion to pick up Lady Bird: Lyndon Baines Johnson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also used illusion to pick up Lady Bird: Lyndon Baines Johnson.</p>
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		<title>By: G144</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I&#039;d like some scientist to explain how this behavior intersects with evolution.  Some bird ancestor had a mutation that made him build the nest this way and was more successful at spreading genes that contained the same mutation?  I mean, this really goes straight to that portion of genetics that affects behavior, doesn&#039;t it?  I know behavior and genetics is nothing new, but this seems like such a clear case . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I&#8217;d like some scientist to explain how this behavior intersects with evolution.  Some bird ancestor had a mutation that made him build the nest this way and was more successful at spreading genes that contained the same mutation?  I mean, this really goes straight to that portion of genetics that affects behavior, doesn&#8217;t it?  I know behavior and genetics is nothing new, but this seems like such a clear case . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Terrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn Terrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More amazing photos of bowerbird constructions &amp; seductions from a recent National Geographic article about them:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/07/bowerbirds/laman-photography</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More amazing photos of bowerbird constructions &#038; seductions from a recent National Geographic article about them:<br />
<a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/07/bowerbirds/laman-photography" rel="nofollow">http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/07/bowerbirds/laman-photography</a></p>
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		<title>By: adwkiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>adwkiwi</dc:creator>
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		<description>It&#039;s unlikely to be a spandrel. The basic Ames Room effect is readily perceivable and fairly robust, but only if you configure the perspective information correctly. The odds of producing this configuration as a side effect of doing something else are staggeringly low, therefore, because you have to arrange things just so - plus, if you move any of the stones, the bird will immediately fix it and check how the repair looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unlikely to be a spandrel. The basic Ames Room effect is readily perceivable and fairly robust, but only if you configure the perspective information correctly. The odds of producing this configuration as a side effect of doing something else are staggeringly low, therefore, because you have to arrange things just so &#8211; plus, if you move any of the stones, the bird will immediately fix it and check how the repair looks.</p>
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		<title>By: RevelryByNight</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s like a dude-bird-version of the Red Light District in Amsterdam.  Redefining &quot;peep&quot; show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s like a dude-bird-version of the Red Light District in Amsterdam.  Redefining &#8220;peep&#8221; show.</p>
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