Comments on: Good news, of a kind, from a dark world http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 26 May 2013 06:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: hdon http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-922626 hdon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922626 It's really kind of awful that this girl's kidnapping has to be memorialized in a book with such an awful title. "Fatal System Error?" Sounds like the character that got removed from the final version of the screenplay for "Hacker," alongside "Crash Override" and "Zero Cool." It’s really kind of awful that this girl’s kidnapping has to be memorialized in a book with such an awful title. “Fatal System Error?” Sounds like the character that got removed from the final version of the screenplay for “Hacker,” alongside “Crash Override” and “Zero Cool.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-944650 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-944650 if it had no security guards, car rides and lose two or three teeth after being beaten and losing money you run the risk of being contaminated with amphetamines, lsd, to fall into disrepute, this already happens here. even making someone reliable to report all their steps daily email twitter if the report is stopping because something has gone wrong already and support do not always arrive on time if it had no security guards, car rides and lose two or three teeth after being beaten and losing money you run the risk of being contaminated with amphetamines, lsd, to fall into disrepute, this already happens here. even making someone reliable to report all their steps daily email twitter if the report is stopping because something has gone wrong already and support do not always arrive on time

]]> By: spool32 http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921620 spool32 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921620 5 years of forced drug use and serial rape isn't going to be easy to recover from. Anon... totally inappropriate use of smiley emoticon. 5 years of forced drug use and serial rape isn’t going to be easy to recover from. Anon… totally inappropriate use of smiley emoticon.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921621 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921621 Credit card scams, identity theft, debit card cloning, DOS attack extortion ('nice site you've got there, such shame something could happen to it...'), wholesale distribution of content for third-world pirate markets, all those activities are quite lucrative for the criminals involved. I understood it as that the hell that young woman was subjected to was forced prostitution. Sadly, not difficult to imagine her being used by her captors for profit while a hostage, as many immigrants trying to reach Europe or North America are :-/ Credit card scams, identity theft, debit card cloning, DOS attack extortion (‘nice site you’ve got there, such shame something could happen to it…’), wholesale distribution of content for third-world pirate markets, all those activities are quite lucrative for the criminals involved.

I understood it as that the hell that young woman was subjected to was forced prostitution. Sadly, not difficult to imagine her being used by her captors for profit while a hostage, as many immigrants trying to reach Europe or North America are :-/

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921878 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921878 <blockquote>They're on a hard road. Made harder by people who don't mind that crime pays, as long as it pays them.</blockquote> A category that includes people in the highest levels of the US government. Ha! My captcha is "419 summoned" which is incredibly apt, given the Bush families' connections with corruption in the Nigerian banking system.

They’re on a hard road. Made harder by people who don’t mind that crime pays, as long as it pays them.

A category that includes people in the highest levels of the US government.

Ha! My captcha is “419 summoned” which is incredibly apt, given the Bush families’ connections with corruption in the Nigerian banking system.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-922408 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922408 I am very happy to hear she has come home and very sorry for her suffering. The world of (dis)organized crime in the digital age is still run by the same evil criminals as crime always has been. This is just one awful example. diogenes I am very happy to hear she has come home and very sorry for her suffering.

The world of (dis)organized crime in the digital age is still run by the same evil criminals as crime always has been. This is just one awful example.

diogenes

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921668 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921668 The emoticon was an optimistic remark, not anything else. The emoticon was an optimistic remark, not anything else.

]]> By: hostile17 http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921702 hostile17 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921702 I hate Spamhaus. Really. They blacklisted my business site, because it was in an IP that was close to a spammer. They won't accept emails. Or any request. Or any evidence. They will ignore postal mail like you are shit on their shoe. They are just cyber bullies, throwing their weight around and not caring about collateral damage. (Oh and tragic story BTW.) I hate Spamhaus. Really.

They blacklisted my business site, because it was in an IP that was close to a spammer.

They won’t accept emails. Or any request. Or any evidence. They will ignore postal mail like you are shit on their shoe. They are just cyber bullies, throwing their weight around and not caring about collateral damage.

(Oh and tragic story BTW.)

]]> By: guernican http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-922730 guernican Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922730 Yup, I was going to write something snarky like that, then I wondered if it might be disrespectful. No such concerns for you, though. Rock on! Yup, I was going to write something snarky like that, then I wondered if it might be disrespectful.

No such concerns for you, though. Rock on!

]]> By: flourish http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921989 flourish Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921989 Forced prostitution is still serial rape. Let's call a spade a spade - I expect weasel words from news sites, but we can be better than that. (Of course it makes a difference to the young woman's recovery whether she was prostituted or not, but I don't think it bears on the conversation at hand.) I think this is important, because if you refer to a woman who was forced into prostitution in that way, it activates the "prostitution is IMMORAL, so she must have been ASKING FOR IT!" centers of many people's brains. Of course, there's an entire debate about whether prostitution is really immoral or not that is completely off topic for this comment thread; but whatever you believe on the subject, we can probably agree that women who don't choose to be prostitutes shouldn't have to bear any stigma of prostitution. In general, then, we should refer to forced prostitution - or being "forced to service men" - as rape. Forced prostitution is still serial rape. Let’s call a spade a spade – I expect weasel words from news sites, but we can be better than that. (Of course it makes a difference to the young woman’s recovery whether she was prostituted or not, but I don’t think it bears on the conversation at hand.) I think this is important, because if you refer to a woman who was forced into prostitution in that way, it activates the “prostitution is IMMORAL, so she must have been ASKING FOR IT!” centers of many people’s brains.

Of course, there’s an entire debate about whether prostitution is really immoral or not that is completely off topic for this comment thread; but whatever you believe on the subject, we can probably agree that women who don’t choose to be prostitutes shouldn’t have to bear any stigma of prostitution. In general, then, we should refer to forced prostitution – or being “forced to service men” – as rape.

]]> By: guernican http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921750 guernican Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921750 I'd love to hear stories like this getting more coverage. On the Grauniad this afternoon, they're reporting the arrest of "an Armenian citizen" who is, allegedly, the author of the Bredolab worm. They do mention, rather briefly, that this guy was selling its capabilities to criminal networks, but it's all too easy for the mainstream media to portray these characters as lone rangers. That's the hook, right? One guy infecting millions of computers and sending billions of tainted emails. Isn't it crazy, this internet thing? Yup, apparently it is one guy. With links to and relationships with lots of really vicious b*stards. More of the same please, Mr Menn. Admirable work. I’d love to hear stories like this getting more coverage. On the Grauniad this afternoon, they’re reporting the arrest of “an Armenian citizen” who is, allegedly, the author of the Bredolab worm. They do mention, rather briefly, that this guy was selling its capabilities to criminal networks, but it’s all too easy for the mainstream media to portray these characters as lone rangers. That’s the hook, right? One guy infecting millions of computers and sending billions of tainted emails. Isn’t it crazy, this internet thing?

Yup, apparently it is one guy. With links to and relationships with lots of really vicious b*stards. More of the same please, Mr Menn. Admirable work.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-922269 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922269 No, guys, it says she was "forced to service men" as in, get them drinks and animal crackers and stuff. If it was rape, it would have been written that way. Poor, poor kid. Her whole life has been dragged through the dirt. It's likely that she's now addicted to drugs, and definitely has *lasting* sexual trauma, both physically and emotionally. There's no returning to 100% after that. But like many BB readers, I know that I sleep safer knowing that the people who DL movies illegally are catching whatfor. No, guys, it says she was “forced to service men” as in, get them drinks and animal crackers and stuff. If it was rape, it would have been written that way.

Poor, poor kid. Her whole life has been dragged through the dirt. It’s likely that she’s now addicted to drugs, and definitely has *lasting* sexual trauma, both physically and emotionally. There’s no returning to 100% after that.

But like many BB readers, I know that I sleep safer knowing that the people who DL movies illegally are catching whatfor.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921520 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921520 wow. very sobering indeed wow. very sobering indeed

]]> By: Church http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921522 Church Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921522 Damn. Can you say which western country? Damn.

Can you say which western country?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-922306 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922306 this is great news, at least that his daughter is now safe and back with the family. Unfortunately the rest cannot be undone. I wish the best for that family. I am hoping that there will be a sequel to the book though, Id like to find out what came of the continuation of some of those investigations. this is great news, at least that his daughter is now safe and back with the family. Unfortunately the rest cannot be undone. I wish the best for that family.
I am hoping that there will be a sequel to the book though, Id like to find out what came of the continuation of some of those investigations.

]]> By: Ernunnos http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921795 Ernunnos Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921795 No, they blacklisted your provider because your provider wouldn't do anything about their criminal customer(s). Why lose that business, right? And if you know your provider is supporting crime, why wouldn't you switch to a more responsible one? Because providers that actually invest time and effort in policing their network charge more. So you were getting a deal as a result of criminal activity too. This is why criminals have such an easy time on the internet. Everybody gets a cut in their own way. In the end, only a few obsessive people really care about internet crime, and because there's no general social approbation, it makes those few individuals easy targets for intimidation. If everyone were involved, they couldn't get much leverage by kidnapping one daughter. I give up. I gave up. I'm not doing it anymore, but I have nothing but respect for those obsessive, crazy people who still do. They're on a hard road. Made harder by people who don't mind that crime pays, as long as it pays them. No, they blacklisted your provider because your provider wouldn’t do anything about their criminal customer(s). Why lose that business, right? And if you know your provider is supporting crime, why wouldn’t you switch to a more responsible one? Because providers that actually invest time and effort in policing their network charge more. So you were getting a deal as a result of criminal activity too. This is why criminals have such an easy time on the internet. Everybody gets a cut in their own way.

In the end, only a few obsessive people really care about internet crime, and because there’s no general social approbation, it makes those few individuals easy targets for intimidation. If everyone were involved, they couldn’t get much leverage by kidnapping one daughter.

I give up. I gave up. I’m not doing it anymore, but I have nothing but respect for those obsessive, crazy people who still do. They’re on a hard road. Made harder by people who don’t mind that crime pays, as long as it pays them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921820 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921820 Are you concerned that someone could determine Jart's identity by harming you? Seems like, unfortunately, an easy task for ruthless criminals such as these. Are you concerned that someone could determine Jart’s identity by harming you? Seems like, unfortunately, an easy task for ruthless criminals such as these.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921571 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921571 Holy shit... I actually had no idea this kind of violence was part of this type of crime. I hope the girl can live a somewhat normal life now. She's alive and she has a family... that's a pretty good start :) Holy shit… I actually had no idea this kind of violence was part of this type of crime. I hope the girl can live a somewhat normal life now. She’s alive and she has a family… that’s a pretty good start :)

]]> By: hapa http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-922084 hapa Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922084 the 'international community' sentenced russia to plutocracy for life and these are the predatory results. what new scourges will an increasingly undemocratic USA bring upon the world? the ‘international community’ sentenced russia to plutocracy for life and these are the predatory results. what new scourges will an increasingly undemocratic USA bring upon the world?

]]> By: EvilSpirit http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921575 EvilSpirit Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921575 Okay, when we say "used to service men" here we mean "serial raped," right? Just to be clear. Okay, when we say “used to service men” here we mean “serial raped,” right? Just to be clear.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921577 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921577 Horrible story of course - my condolences to those involved. I don't understand where the money comes in for cybercrime, though. Does 4chan buy botnets to take down Gene Simmons? Are the V!@gra spammers so desperate that they pay good money for open relays? Are scammers paying good money for CCNs that have been passed through a dozen script kiddies and then .torrented? Heck, even the ATM skimmers you hear about barely get away with enough money to pay rent on a decent place. On one hand, it makes me want to dismiss this all out-of hand. On the other, it kinda makes me want to buy the book. Horrible story of course – my condolences to those involved. I don’t understand where the money comes in for cybercrime, though. Does 4chan buy botnets to take down Gene Simmons? Are the V!@gra spammers so desperate that they pay good money for open relays? Are scammers paying good money for CCNs that have been passed through a dozen script kiddies and then .torrented? Heck, even the ATM skimmers you hear about barely get away with enough money to pay rent on a decent place.

On one hand, it makes me want to dismiss this all out-of hand. On the other, it kinda makes me want to buy the book.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921590 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921590 Serial raped, yes. For FIVE FREAKING YEARS. Serial raped, yes. For FIVE FREAKING YEARS.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/26/good-news-of-a-kind.html#comment-921591 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-921591 Meanwhile, the lawyers from [insert name of archaic-distribution-of-media-product association] are out there after the real cybercriminals: people that download an MP3 of a crappy pop tune. Pardon my french, but: f*ck. Meanwhile, the lawyers from [insert name of archaic-distribution-of-media-product association] are out there after the real cybercriminals: people that download an MP3 of a crappy pop tune.

Pardon my french, but: f*ck.

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