Comments on: New "snub-nosed" monkey species discovered, killed, eaten http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 07:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: dainel http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-923660 dainel Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-923660 That's what I thought. Just from reading the title. Makes more sense. The person who discovered it is unlikely to kill it. And the person who killed in is unlikely to have known it is a new species. That’s what I thought. Just from reading the title. Makes more sense. The person who discovered it is unlikely to kill it. And the person who killed in is unlikely to have known it is a new species.

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-923666 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-923666 Some discovered the monkey, and then others discovered that the monkey was not poisonous to eat. As to poor people eating animals: "Despite its popularity, the zoo was a frequent target during the depths of the Great Depression. Activists complained that while Detroit starved, idle animals lived in luxury. Some threatened that the people of Detroit might be eating the swans and monkeys before 1931 ended." From The Detroit News: http://apps.detnews.com/apps/history/index.php?id=204#ixzz13kYw6sqy IIRC, some American zoos during the Great Depression actually did have to slaughter their animals to feed the hungry. Some discovered the monkey, and then others discovered that the monkey was not poisonous to eat.

As to poor people eating animals:

“Despite its popularity, the zoo was a frequent target during the depths of the Great Depression. Activists complained that while Detroit starved, idle animals lived in luxury. Some threatened that the people of Detroit might be eating the swans and monkeys before 1931 ended.”

From The Detroit News:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/history/index.php?id=204#ixzz13kYw6sqy

IIRC, some American zoos during the Great Depression actually did have to slaughter their animals to feed the hungry.

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-923668 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-923668 Hmmm...from the article I linked to above, it seems that I have more in common with chimps than I had thought: "...the media reported on director Millen's remedy for the chimps' many winter colds -- "carefully measured doses of 20 year old cognac."" Why, that works for me too! So... no more eating chimps for me! Hmmm…from the article I linked to above, it seems that I have more in common with chimps than I had thought:

“…the media reported on director Millen’s remedy for the chimps’ many winter colds — “carefully measured doses of 20 year old cognac.”"

Why, that works for me too!

So… no more eating chimps for me!

]]> By: Neon Tooth http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922391 Neon Tooth Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922391 <i>I can begruge them. How about moving somewhere else? Here is hoping they starve.</i> Yeah really, why don't they just jump in the mini van and hop on the highway, crushing poverty and police state be damned. C'mon dum dum. I can begruge them. How about moving somewhere else? Here is hoping they starve.

Yeah really, why don’t they just jump in the mini van and hop on the highway, crushing poverty and police state be damned.

C’mon dum dum.

]]> By: billster http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922393 billster Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922393 Isn't that the "Sinistar", from the 1982 videogame? http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Sinistar1.jpg "Beware! I live"? Not anymore, chump Isn’t that the “Sinistar”, from the 1982 videogame?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Sinistar1.jpg

“Beware! I live”?

Not anymore, chump

]]> By: turn_self_off http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922905 turn_self_off Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922905 i do wonder if this is how HIV ended up as a human disease. As for the earlier comment about moving, good luck with that. First of the people running the place may not want you to leave. Second, the place your going to don't want you. And it is highly likely that if you show up at a official border crossing they will send you straight back. End result, smuggling by expensive and dangerous routes. And at the first sign of trouble, the smuggler will up and leave you wherever your located. Even if it is in the middle of the ocean, in a leaky boat. i do wonder if this is how HIV ended up as a human disease.

As for the earlier comment about moving, good luck with that. First of the people running the place may not want you to leave. Second, the place your going to don’t want you. And it is highly likely that if you show up at a official border crossing they will send you straight back. End result, smuggling by expensive and dangerous routes. And at the first sign of trouble, the smuggler will up and leave you wherever your located. Even if it is in the middle of the ocean, in a leaky boat.

]]> By: XerxesQados http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922650 XerxesQados Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922650 Christ, what assholes. Christ, what assholes.

]]> By: imhotep http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922652 imhotep Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922652 Snubby is flipping the bird to all the bastard humans... I share his rage. Snubby is flipping the bird to all the bastard humans… I share his rage.

]]> By: gwailo_joe http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922655 gwailo_joe Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922655 First of all: that is a horrible scary ugly monkey and I wish it had never been discovered. But nor do I wish them to be eaten up: ''Alas Stellar sea cow, we hardly knew ye. . ." We as such successful and fecund humans are indeed to blame for much if not most of the Natural world's decline: but when it comes down to humanity vs. (natural) diversity: we eat what we can when the going gets tough. If my people were starving: I would butcher Bambi Wilbur Koko Flipper AND Mr Ed to keep them alive. First of all: that is a horrible scary ugly monkey and I wish it had never been discovered.

But nor do I wish them to be eaten up: ”Alas Stellar sea cow, we hardly knew ye. . .”

We as such successful and fecund humans are indeed to blame for much if not most of the Natural world’s decline: but when it comes down to humanity vs. (natural) diversity: we eat what we can when the going gets tough.

If my people were starving: I would butcher Bambi Wilbur Koko Flipper AND Mr Ed to keep them alive.

]]> By: Mitch http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922657 Mitch Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922657 It's unfortunate that animals are killed for meat, but eating an animal that was raised for meat and would not have been born or had any life at all if it had not been raised for meat is still preferable to eating a wild animal that may be endagered, unless you're not in a position to have a choice in the matter. I try to avoid buying meat that was raised in bad conditions. Most of the meat I eat comes from bison that were treated well, lived on a pasture, and killed as quickly and painlessly as possible. It falls short of the ideal of being vegetarian but it's less bad than buying conventional factory farmed meat. It’s unfortunate that animals are killed for meat, but eating an animal that was raised for meat and would not have been born or had any life at all if it had not been raised for meat is still preferable to eating a wild animal that may be endagered, unless you’re not in a position to have a choice in the matter. I try to avoid buying meat that was raised in bad conditions. Most of the meat I eat comes from bison that were treated well, lived on a pasture, and killed as quickly and painlessly as possible. It falls short of the ideal of being vegetarian but it’s less bad than buying conventional factory farmed meat.

]]> By: Mark Crummett http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922661 Mark Crummett Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922661 At least it didn't die in vain. At least it didn’t die in vain.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922410 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922410 So when the aliens come to put us on Trial for crimes against life and nature, I expect this picture to be Exhibit A. So when the aliens come to put us on Trial for crimes against life and nature, I expect this picture to be Exhibit A.

]]> By: Guesstimate Jones http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922416 Guesstimate Jones Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922416 What species of primate, are the other two, holding it up? What species of primate, are the other two, holding it up?

]]> By: ill lich http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922419 ill lich Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922419 It has a snub-nosed penis too, from the looks of it. That can't help its chances for replenishing the population. It has a snub-nosed penis too, from the looks of it. That can’t help its chances for replenishing the population.

]]> By: Neon Tooth http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922932 Neon Tooth Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922932 <i>As a vegetarian I'd like to smugly point to the hypocrisy of meat eaters being selectively concerned for life.</i> Somehow I bet even you feel more concerned about a rare species going extinct then a common rat get run over in an alley. Just a guess.... As a vegetarian I’d like to smugly point to the hypocrisy of meat eaters being selectively concerned for life.

Somehow I bet even you feel more concerned about a rare species going extinct then a common rat get run over in an alley. Just a guess….

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922935 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922935 I hope a viable DNA sample was collected and is being preserved. I hope a viable DNA sample was collected and is being preserved.

]]> By: Clayton http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922431 Clayton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922431 The other sources i have read - and let's be honest: national geo is great at color fold outs and prtety pictures but terrible at reporting - have said scientist shave observed quite a few living species. The other sources i have read – and let’s be honest: national geo is great at color fold outs and prtety pictures but terrible at reporting – have said scientist shave observed quite a few living species.

]]> By: Choscura http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-923458 Choscura Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-923458 The first paragraph in your link seemed to answer the 'must they?' question. [quote]Agriculture, which includes crop production, hunting, fishing, and forestry, is the mainstay of the Burma economy. This sector is responsible for much of the income and employment in the country. About 60 percent of the GDP comes from agriculture, and as much as 65 percent of the labor force is employed in this sector alone. [b]Burma produces enough food to feed its entire population. [u]In the absence of purchasing power, however, many people go hungry. Further, about a third of the rural households do not have any land or livestock. Only half of the arable 45 million acres is under cultivation.[/b][/u][/quote] About the wine, it's up in the air but I'd say a sauvignon blanc is a safe bet for a white (avoid chardonnay) or cabernet sauvignon or even something like a nice dry chianti would be a good bet for a red. The first paragraph in your link seemed to answer the ‘must they?’ question.

[quote]Agriculture, which includes crop production, hunting, fishing, and forestry, is the mainstay of the Burma economy. This sector is responsible for much of the income and employment in the country. About 60 percent of the GDP comes from agriculture, and as much as 65 percent of the labor force is employed in this sector alone. [b]Burma produces enough food to feed its entire population. [u]In the absence of purchasing power, however, many people go hungry. Further, about a third of the rural households do not have any land or livestock. Only half of the arable 45 million acres is under cultivation.[/b][/u][/quote]

About the wine, it’s up in the air but I’d say a sauvignon blanc is a safe bet for a white (avoid chardonnay) or cabernet sauvignon or even something like a nice dry chianti would be a good bet for a red.

]]> By: schmod http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922193 schmod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922193 Gaaah. I'm no vegetarian, but I don't think I could ever eat a hominid. Gaaah. I’m no vegetarian, but I don’t think I could ever eat a hominid.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922200 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922200 They're so much like humans. I am a vegetarian, and it repulses me doubly. They’re so much like humans. I am a vegetarian, and it repulses me doubly.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922457 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922457 Any member of the primate family would be very dangerous to eat due to the closeness of the DNA to humans any parasites or virus they have can have a good chance of jumping the species barrier also its to close to cannibalism if they knew how close compared to the rest of the animal kingdom that primates are to humans. One theory is that HIV jumped the species barrier from chimps which have a similar disease called the siv. If we did get one killer incurable disease from eat primates maybe we should try and put a taboo out there to stop it from happening again. Any member of the primate family would be very dangerous to eat due to the closeness of the DNA to humans any parasites or virus they have can have a good chance of jumping the species barrier also its to close to cannibalism if they knew how close compared to the rest of the animal kingdom that primates are to humans.

One theory is that HIV jumped the species barrier from chimps which have a similar disease called the siv. If we did get one killer incurable disease from eat primates maybe we should try and put a taboo out there to stop it from happening again.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922206 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922206 if there is only 1 specimen what makes it a new species? vs say a mutation of an existing species? new species means there are others out there... go find them. if there is only 1 specimen what makes it a new species? vs say a mutation of an existing species?

new species means there are others out there… go find them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922209 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922209 No worries, then. For that's not a hominid. No worries, then. For that’s not a hominid.

]]> By: ColGraff http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922212 ColGraff Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922212 I'd normally have serious qualms about eating a monkey, though I'm fine with eating most animals. However, heartrending poverty is so endemic in Burma, and the government so evil, that I really can't begrudge my fellow homo sapiens a meal wherever they happen to find one. I’d normally have serious qualms about eating a monkey, though I’m fine with eating most animals. However, heartrending poverty is so endemic in Burma, and the government so evil, that I really can’t begrudge my fellow homo sapiens a meal wherever they happen to find one.

]]> By: Prufrock451 http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922215 Prufrock451 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922215 The most tragic thing for me is that given its respiratory issues, we will likely never be able to teach this species of monkey to smoke. The most tragic thing for me is that given its respiratory issues, we will likely never be able to teach this species of monkey to smoke.

]]> By: Autonymous Media Daemon http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922471 Autonymous Media Daemon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922471 I can't decide if it looks more like a vicious gibberling or a fuzzy Terminator. I can’t decide if it looks more like a vicious gibberling or a fuzzy Terminator.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922220 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922220 Sure, I can empathize with that. But it's so doubly sad. Sure, I can empathize with that. But it’s so doubly sad.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-923756 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-923756 Jonathan Swift proposed an excellent answer. Jonathan Swift proposed an excellent answer.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922229 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922229 Snub nosed, my ass. There is no nose! Primate of the Opera, to be sure. Snub nosed, my ass. There is no nose! Primate of the Opera, to be sure.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/10/27/new-snub-nosed-monke.html#comment-922230 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-922230 I hear monkey brains are a delicacy best eaten fresh. I hear monkey brains are a delicacy best eaten fresh.

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