Comments on: $2K bounty for free/open Kinect drivers (Microsoft thinks this is illegal!) http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 18 May 2013 23:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: hbl http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930049 hbl Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930049 This reminds me of the guy at TED who used the WiiMote to proof of concept a $50 whiteboard for developing nations. I don't recall Nintendo pissing in their tighty whities about that. I like the idea of taking something that's sole purpose is to waste the time of (sorry, entertain) millions of privileged people who can afford to buy it, and repurposing it to altruistic ends. Personally, I'd like to install one above my door, so the door will only unlock for those who have learned the special key-code dance. I'd love to see my grandma do the robot! This reminds me of the guy at TED who used the WiiMote to proof of concept a $50 whiteboard for developing nations. I don’t recall Nintendo pissing in their tighty whities about that.

I like the idea of taking something that’s sole purpose is to waste the time of (sorry, entertain) millions of privileged people who can afford to buy it, and repurposing it to altruistic ends.

Personally, I’d like to install one above my door, so the door will only unlock for those who have learned the special key-code dance. I’d love to see my grandma do the robot!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930052 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930052 Isn't it amazing that no one at big companies ever want to sell *more* of their expensively-developed but easily-made goods? It's like they don't want to make money. Also, for American publicly-traded companies (ie. Microsoft) a case could be made that the mandate to maximize shareholder value means they should explicitly allow this sort of thing. Any activist shareholders who happen to be good lawyers want to take it on? I wonder how many spare wiimotes are out there. I've seen a lot of projects. Isn’t it amazing that no one at big companies ever want to sell *more* of their expensively-developed but easily-made goods?

It’s like they don’t want to make money.

Also, for American publicly-traded companies (ie. Microsoft) a case could be made that the mandate to maximize shareholder value means they should explicitly allow this sort of thing. Any activist shareholders who happen to be good lawyers want to take it on?

I wonder how many spare wiimotes are out there. I’ve seen a lot of projects.

]]> By: classic01 http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929802 classic01 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929802 So... Microsoft will use legal action to block us from interfacing their own OS (Windows 7) with their own hardware (kinetic). In what crazy licensing scheme did they forbid developers from writing their own drivers? So… Microsoft will use legal action to block us from interfacing their own OS (Windows 7) with their own hardware (kinetic).

In what crazy licensing scheme did they forbid developers from writing their own drivers?

]]> By: Tweeker http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930574 Tweeker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930574 "A private company secretly compiling data on you with a voluntarily purchased device for the purpose of maximizing their profit is something else." Private companies sell data to government routinely. Nobody needs to bother with a warrant or subpoena for data you can just buy from a firm trying to maximize their profit. “A private company secretly compiling data on you with a voluntarily purchased device for the purpose of maximizing their profit is something else.”

Private companies sell data to government routinely. Nobody needs to bother with a warrant or subpoena for data you can just buy from a firm trying to maximize their profit.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929812 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929812 That's what you get when vendors subsidise their hardware. They have to lock it down so people don't use it for non-revenue-generating purposes. That’s what you get when vendors subsidise their hardware. They have to lock it down so people don’t use it for non-revenue-generating purposes.

]]> By: RedShirt77 http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930078 RedShirt77 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930078 Welcome to America, the land of freedom, where you can't own music, a book, your home, and you cannot use your electronics for uses not intended by the manufacturer. Welcome to America, the land of freedom, where you can’t own music, a book, your home, and you cannot use your electronics for uses not intended by the manufacturer.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930847 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930847 The HiE-D Tehcnolgy was first that Kinect or Natal Project I have two Patents PCT, you can see in this links: this device is for all systems PC, MAC and Linux. Was try for more that 4000 people in 4 countries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqNPruJhei0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jfOJ3TwyI The HiE-D tehcnology no requiered cameras, but you can have all the control in X, Y, Z in real time from 15 cm to 11 mts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqNPruJhei0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jfOJ3TwyI The HiE-D Tehcnolgy was first that Kinect or Natal Project
I have two Patents PCT, you can see in this links:
this device is for all systems PC, MAC and Linux.

Was try for more that 4000 people in 4 countries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqNPruJhei0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jfOJ3TwyI

The HiE-D tehcnology no requiered cameras, but you can have all the control in X, Y, Z in real time from 15 cm to 11 mts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqNPruJhei0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jfOJ3TwyI

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929827 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929827 I will also contribute to a fund around this project. I will also contribute to a fund around this project.

]]> By: zyodei http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929844 zyodei Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929844 They should crowdsource this price: it is a perfect use for thepoint.com.. users pledge an amount to be disbursed when and if a set target is met. If it is not met, no credit cards are charged. I would drop a twenty spot to see some Linux drivers for this :) They should crowdsource this price: it is a perfect use for thepoint.com.. users pledge an amount to be disbursed when and if a set target is met. If it is not met, no credit cards are charged. I would drop a twenty spot to see some Linux drivers for this :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930877 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930877 Well look out Well I’m sick I’m so sick Of a lot of people Tryin’ to tell me What I can and can’t do With my life And I’m tired I’m so tired Of a lot of people In a lot of high places Don’t want you and me To enjoy ourselves Well I’m through with people Who can’t get off their arse To help themselves change this government And better this society ‘Cos it’s shit But hold on a second I smell burning And I see a change Comin’ ‘round the bend And I suggest to you That it takes Just five seconds Just five seconds Of decision To realise That the time Is right To start thinkin’ about A little… Revolution! Well look out

Well I’m sick
I’m so sick
Of a lot of people
Tryin’ to tell me
What I can and can’t do
With my life

And I’m tired
I’m so tired
Of a lot of people
In a lot of high places
Don’t want you and me
To enjoy ourselves

Well I’m through with people
Who can’t get off their arse
To help themselves change this government
And better this society
‘Cos it’s shit

But hold on a second
I smell burning
And I see a change
Comin’ ‘round the bend
And I suggest to you
That it takes
Just five seconds
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]]> By: Johnny Justice http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929868 Johnny Justice Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929868 I guess Microsoft don't want to sell more units to people who aren't interested the shovelware they're putting out for it. I guess Microsoft don’t want to sell more units to people who aren’t interested the shovelware they’re putting out for it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930125 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930125 A home-made high quality, single, or two camera motion capture setup would be AMAZING. A home-made high quality, single, or two camera motion capture setup would be AMAZING.

]]> By: Talara http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930144 Talara Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930144 I'm hoping that someone is able to turn the Kinect into a DIY motion capture gizmo. I'd love to be able to MoCap my own stuff from the comfort of my living room, without having to spend thousands of dollars. I’m hoping that someone is able to turn the Kinect into a DIY motion capture gizmo. I’d love to be able to MoCap my own stuff from the comfort of my living room, without having to spend thousands of dollars.

]]> By: codesuidae http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930147 codesuidae Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930147 <blockquote>You shouldn't paint them as villains for wanting to protect it.</blockquote> Producing drivers so the hardware can be purchased for use on officially unsupported systems isn't an attack that they must protect themselves from. Nothing is being 'ripped away from the creator' here. They made cool hardware and set it up to use on the operating system they intend to sell the hardware for. That's cool. It would be cooler if they could publish some more info about how to make it work on other systems, even if they aren't interested in supporting themselves, but I understand that that isn't always (or even usually) practical or possible. What is uncool is if they deliberately put up opposition to people who use what they are selling in ways they don't support.

You shouldn’t paint them as villains for wanting to protect it.

Producing drivers so the hardware can be purchased for use on officially unsupported systems isn’t an attack that they must protect themselves from.

Nothing is being ‘ripped away from the creator’ here. They made cool hardware and set it up to use on the operating system they intend to sell the hardware for.

That’s cool. It would be cooler if they could publish some more info about how to make it work on other systems, even if they aren’t interested in supporting themselves, but I understand that that isn’t always (or even usually) practical or possible.

What is uncool is if they deliberately put up opposition to people who use what they are selling in ways they don’t support.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929903 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929903 "product safety groups" !?!? And how, exactly, is a non-MS driver a safety danger?!?! Sheesh... “product safety groups” !?!? And how, exactly, is a non-MS driver a safety danger?!?! Sheesh…

]]> By: Chris Tucker http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929924 Chris Tucker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929924 Mac OS X drivers, please! Mac OS X drivers, please!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929673 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929673 someday, people in large corporations will figure out how the Internet and technology works. And on that day, they will commit ritual suicide someday, people in large corporations will figure out how the Internet and technology works. And on that day, they will commit ritual suicide

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929931 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929931 I say eff you see kay!!! to microsoft, you are a bunch of hypocritical loosers who use lynx as an integral part of your operating system, but no one would know because you hide it like little capitalists, with everything to hide, and everything to gain. Hiding your source so that adobe and other software companies can't write proper coad whooops did i write that so you couldn't read it proper......? did your brain crash. I wish software and hardware companies would write for the big three not the big two....linux is as viable as apple, and windows, works...then it dosnt. booooo to the bounty, lets make a bounty to crack microsofts source.... lets expose them as they really are...takers of things not makers. I say eff you see kay!!! to microsoft, you are a bunch of hypocritical loosers who use lynx as an integral part of your operating system, but no one would know because you hide it like little capitalists, with everything to hide, and everything to gain. Hiding your source so that adobe and other software companies can’t write proper coad whooops did i write that so you couldn’t read it proper……? did your brain crash. I wish software and hardware companies would write for the big three not the big two….linux is as viable as apple, and windows, works…then it dosnt. booooo to the bounty, lets make a bounty to crack microsofts source…. lets expose them as they really are…takers of things not makers.

]]> By: techjunkie12 http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930193 techjunkie12 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930193 Does it bother anyone else that the camera has a face recognition system. What happens if Mircosoft starts compiling data on each of us. Seem a little to much like big brother to me. Does it bother anyone else that the camera has a face recognition system. What happens if Mircosoft starts compiling data on each of us. Seem a little to much like big brother to me.

]]> By: Xingularity http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-935059 Xingularity Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-935059 "Producing drivers so the hardware can be purchased for use on officially unsupported systems isn't an attack that they must protect themselves from. Nothing is being 'ripped away from the creator' here. They made cool hardware and set it up to use on the operating system they intend to sell the hardware for." Don't forget that console hardware is often sold as a "loss leader". Consoles cost more to produce than the US$399 (or A$549 - what?) that you, the consumer, will pay. Companies like Microsoft will do this because they know it will lead to profits later on in the form of licencing fees, online subscriptions and so on. If you're not providing them with these future profits, you're destroying their business model, so I can understand why they would want to prevent it. This doesn't make opposition to such hacks in any way acceptable, however. “Producing drivers so the hardware can be purchased for use on officially unsupported systems isn’t an attack that they must protect themselves from.

Nothing is being ‘ripped away from the creator’ here. They made cool hardware and set it up to use on the operating system they intend to sell the hardware for.”

Don’t forget that console hardware is often sold as a “loss leader”. Consoles cost more to produce than the US$399 (or A$549 – what?) that you, the consumer, will pay. Companies like Microsoft will do this because they know it will lead to profits later on in the form of licencing fees, online subscriptions and so on. If you’re not providing them with these future profits, you’re destroying their business model, so I can understand why they would want to prevent it.

This doesn’t make opposition to such hacks in any way acceptable, however.

]]> By: Michael Smith http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929949 Michael Smith Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929949 classic01, More likely OSS drivers to interface any OS with Microsoft hardware. I could be in trouble. I have a microsoft USB mouse which I have used with Linux. classic01,

More likely OSS drivers to interface any OS with Microsoft hardware. I could be in trouble. I have a microsoft USB mouse which I have used with Linux.

]]> By: Derek C. F. Pegritz http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929694 Derek C. F. Pegritz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929694 Screw Linux--if someone writes some drivers that will let me use the Kinect to manipulate my Win7 desktop via a pseudo-Minority Report Interface structure, *I* will pay him/her $2000! Screw Linux–if someone writes some drivers that will let me use the Kinect to manipulate my Win7 desktop via a pseudo-Minority Report Interface structure, *I* will pay him/her $2000!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929950 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929950 The Borgotavian Government is offering 12 000 cucuruci to the person who can use the Kinect to control our herds of wild donkeys. (Yes, we know that sun interferes with the Kinect, it is a non-issue as there's no sun in Borgotavia) The Borgotavian Government is offering 12 000 cucuruci to the person who can use the Kinect to control our herds of wild donkeys. (Yes, we know that sun interferes with the Kinect, it is a non-issue as there’s no sun in Borgotavia)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929705 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929705 And along with it shall come the rest of MSFT's Minority Report dystopia. And along with it shall come the rest of MSFT’s Minority Report dystopia.

]]> By: Sagodjur http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929712 Sagodjur Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929712 Where can I donate to that wonderful educational cause?!? Where can I donate to that wonderful educational cause?!?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929715 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929715 i'll throw a couple hundred quid in the pot too. that plus 3 protectors onto a curved surface. droool. i’ll throw a couple hundred quid in the pot too. that plus 3 protectors onto a curved surface. droool.

]]> By: vic.vermouth http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929989 vic.vermouth Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929989 I'm pretty sure I actually support the following stance, but sometimes I just get contrarian urges and can't distinguish between the two. Especially when I read some of Cory's posts, I feel like people like him are just waiting on the sidelines for someone to come up with fantastic, disruptive technology, and then they want to rip it away from the creator and deliver it to the masses. I don't know if it's entitlement or what. My vocab and retorts aren't that good, I'm aware Cory/Antinous could rip anything I say in twain. I think the right way to do it is to encourage the development of an open-source alternative, not to take someone's proprietary achievement and force it into the open. Get out your arduino's, write some code, and go to town with it. I'm sure there are hundreds of PhD theses out there who've tried to accomplish something similar, that's a great starting point. These guys have done a lot more than string together commodity parts and make an input device though, they've put millions of dollars and years of manhours to develop the AI and the signal processing to make this feasible. You shouldn't paint them as villains for wanting to protect it. If you were to make a post like this once their product is nearing obsolescence, then hell yeah, I'm all for it. They've made their money and moved onto the next iteration, I'm all for reclaiming tech detritus. I’m pretty sure I actually support the following stance, but sometimes I just get contrarian urges and can’t distinguish between the two. Especially when I read some of Cory’s posts, I feel like people like him are just waiting on the sidelines for someone to come up with fantastic, disruptive technology, and then they want to rip it away from the creator and deliver it to the masses. I don’t know if it’s entitlement or what. My vocab and retorts aren’t that good, I’m aware Cory/Antinous could rip anything I say in twain. I think the right way to do it is to encourage the development of an open-source alternative, not to take someone’s proprietary achievement and force it into the open. Get out your arduino’s, write some code, and go to town with it. I’m sure there are hundreds of PhD theses out there who’ve tried to accomplish something similar, that’s a great starting point. These guys have done a lot more than string together commodity parts and make an input device though, they’ve put millions of dollars and years of manhours to develop the AI and the signal processing to make this feasible. You shouldn’t paint them as villains for wanting to protect it. If you were to make a post like this once their product is nearing obsolescence, then hell yeah, I’m all for it. They’ve made their money and moved onto the next iteration, I’m all for reclaiming tech detritus.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-929990 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-929990 I too would like to donate funds to the "Up Yours for Hating Creative People, Microsoft" fund. I (and plenty of others) am happy to put my money where my mouth is. I too would like to donate funds to the “Up Yours for Hating Creative People, Microsoft” fund. I (and plenty of others) am happy to put my money where my mouth is.

]]> By: codesuidae http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930261 codesuidae Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930261 A Big Brother move would be a government-mandated observation system for the purpose of establishing or maintaining authoritarian control of society. A private company secretly compiling data on you with a voluntarily purchased device for the purpose of maximizing their profit is something else. A Big Brother move would be a government-mandated observation system for the purpose of establishing or maintaining authoritarian control of society.

A private company secretly compiling data on you with a voluntarily purchased device for the purpose of maximizing their profit is something else.

]]> By: enkiv2 http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/2k-bounty-for-freeop.html#comment-930795 enkiv2 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-930795 I am beginning to suspect that Microsoft's hardware division business plan is the following: produce expensive hardware with nonstandard and undocumented interface schemes, make press releases to goad the open source community into buying tonnes of units in order to reverse them and write drivers, change the protocol for the next release, rinse and repeat. What would be preferable to writing a driver is reverse engineering and improving the hardware and firmware then releasing that openly. I am beginning to suspect that Microsoft’s hardware division business plan is the following: produce expensive hardware with nonstandard and undocumented interface schemes, make press releases to goad the open source community into buying tonnes of units in order to reverse them and write drivers, change the protocol for the next release, rinse and repeat. What would be preferable to writing a driver is reverse engineering and improving the hardware and firmware then releasing that openly.

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