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	<title>Comments on: Today&#039;s web justice driveby: Cooks Source&#160;Magazine</title>
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		<title>By: kc0bbq</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929537</link>
		<dc:creator>kc0bbq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until I see the birth, in person, with DNA testing of all those involved, GPS coordinates backed up by astrolabe readings, and full medical readings proving that I wasn&#039;t drugged or dreaming, I refuse to believe anything other than the TRUTH that the president was created in a lab deep under Antarctica by genetically enhanced penguins.

In summary, plagiarism sucks, penguins created our president because they actually feed by absorbing partisan politics from the collective unconsciousness, and not on fish as some would have you believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until I see the birth, in person, with DNA testing of all those involved, GPS coordinates backed up by astrolabe readings, and full medical readings proving that I wasn&#8217;t drugged or dreaming, I refuse to believe anything other than the TRUTH that the president was created in a lab deep under Antarctica by genetically enhanced penguins.</p>
<p>In summary, plagiarism sucks, penguins created our president because they actually feed by absorbing partisan politics from the collective unconsciousness, and not on fish as some would have you believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929284</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, they fucked with &lt;i&gt;Martha Stewart?&lt;/i&gt;  Like, as in, &lt;I&gt;Martha Stewart, Omnimedia&lt;/i&gt;?

That&#039;s like tying bacon to your ass and jumping into a pit of rabid pit bulls.  Nobody fucks with Martha.  She&#039;s done time, you know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, they fucked with <i>Martha Stewart?</i>  Like, as in, <i>Martha Stewart, Omnimedia</i>?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like tying bacon to your ass and jumping into a pit of rabid pit bulls.  Nobody fucks with Martha.  She&#8217;s done time, you know!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-930056</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But honestly, you should be pleased about what&#039;s happened! You should be happy that we&#039;ve carefully sifted through what you&#039;ve done and not just condemned your whole site to an endless series of lawsuits that will bankrupt you. That sort of thing happens a lot, clearly more than you are aware of, especially where corporations and lawyers who have to justify their large salaries are concerned. If it&#039;s been a bad experience for you, or you took offense at our helping you in this way, then we&#039;re sorry, but as you are a professional you should know that that your site was in very bad need of substantial editing, and it&#039;s much better now than it was for only having original material. For that reason, we have a bit of a difficult time with your requests for patience or understanding, albeit for such a fine (and very well written!) publication. We put some time into this sifting, you should be overjoyed! We never charge editors for our advice or for pointing out plagiarism, and have many who help us...
ALWAYS for free!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But honestly, you should be pleased about what&#8217;s happened! You should be happy that we&#8217;ve carefully sifted through what you&#8217;ve done and not just condemned your whole site to an endless series of lawsuits that will bankrupt you. That sort of thing happens a lot, clearly more than you are aware of, especially where corporations and lawyers who have to justify their large salaries are concerned. If it&#8217;s been a bad experience for you, or you took offense at our helping you in this way, then we&#8217;re sorry, but as you are a professional you should know that that your site was in very bad need of substantial editing, and it&#8217;s much better now than it was for only having original material. For that reason, we have a bit of a difficult time with your requests for patience or understanding, albeit for such a fine (and very well written!) publication. We put some time into this sifting, you should be overjoyed! We never charge editors for our advice or for pointing out plagiarism, and have many who help us&#8230;<br />
ALWAYS for free!</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929289</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an oatmeal cookie recipe that was stolen word-for-word without permission, credit, or compensation of any kind. Discovered only after this brou-ha-ha by the original creator in the comments: http://bit.ly/cQByvr vs http://bit.ly/5572Q7

@tehowe: Whether or not the magazine is free to the people who read it (it has a glossy version too, so I don&#039;t know how free it is), it charges money to advertisers, and so makes a profit from its plagiarized content (of which FB has now found many many examples). Being free has nothing to do with it.

(Your comment about blogs doing it the time did make me thing, though. When BB posts a CC-non commercial-licensed picture found on Flickr, and yet they are a commercial enterprise funded by advertisers and their revenue is driven by people reading what they post, including such photos, is that really conforming to the letter of the copyright license?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an oatmeal cookie recipe that was stolen word-for-word without permission, credit, or compensation of any kind. Discovered only after this brou-ha-ha by the original creator in the comments: <a href="http://bit.ly/cQByvr" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cQByvr</a> vs <a href="http://bit.ly/5572Q7" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/5572Q7</a></p>
<p>@tehowe: Whether or not the magazine is free to the people who read it (it has a glossy version too, so I don&#8217;t know how free it is), it charges money to advertisers, and so makes a profit from its plagiarized content (of which FB has now found many many examples). Being free has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>(Your comment about blogs doing it the time did make me thing, though. When BB posts a CC-non commercial-licensed picture found on Flickr, and yet they are a commercial enterprise funded by advertisers and their revenue is driven by people reading what they post, including such photos, is that really conforming to the letter of the copyright license?)</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929296</link>
		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Lucas, I edited your movie so they are better now, UR welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Lucas, I edited your movie so they are better now, UR welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929809</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original article was more than just a recipe, it was an article about the medieval origins of apple pie.

The &quot;badly needed editing&quot; was to correct the archaic spellings of words. :)

http://www.godecookery.com/twotarts/twotarts.html </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original article was more than just a recipe, it was an article about the medieval origins of apple pie.</p>
<p>The &#8220;badly needed editing&#8221; was to correct the archaic spellings of words. :)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.godecookery.com/twotarts/twotarts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.godecookery.com/twotarts/twotarts.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929300</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SamSam, we generally ask for permission first, if there is any question about gray-area CC license terms, and I think you&#039;re sort of stretching here to troll Boing Boing by lumping us in with plagiarists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SamSam, we generally ask for permission first, if there is any question about gray-area CC license terms, and I think you&#8217;re sort of stretching here to troll Boing Boing by lumping us in with plagiarists.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-932373</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note to point out that as far as copyright law is concerned, properly crediting the original author is irrelevent.  Properly crediting the author is important in academic writing to avoid plagiarism.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note to point out that as far as copyright law is concerned, properly crediting the original author is irrelevent.  Properly crediting the author is important in academic writing to avoid plagiarism.  </p>
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		<title>By: rtresco</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929558</link>
		<dc:creator>rtresco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man I wish this joint had &quot;Like&quot; buttons. Hard to funtion anymore without. So many comments I want to give a digital high-five to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man I wish this joint had &#8220;Like&#8221; buttons. Hard to funtion anymore without. So many comments I want to give a digital high-five to.</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929303</link>
		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bigger issue is that the magazine makes money off the ads, and none of the original authors get any share of that revenue.

Somebody&#039;s gonna get hurt reaaal baaad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bigger issue is that the magazine makes money off the ads, and none of the original authors get any share of that revenue.</p>
<p>Somebody&#8217;s gonna get hurt reaaal baaad.</p>
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		<title>By: timbearcub</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929815</link>
		<dc:creator>timbearcub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT I know - but yes they were looking into this a few years back, I took part in one of the online questionaires - more specifically about charity work which might be a small non-profit or a massive entity with loads of money. The non-commercial part is a bit of a minefield as one person&#039;s NC is another&#039;s blatantly commercial.

But if you approach and get permission direct the CC license doesn&#039;t really mean much - all parts of the license can be waived by the photographer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT I know &#8211; but yes they were looking into this a few years back, I took part in one of the online questionaires &#8211; more specifically about charity work which might be a small non-profit or a massive entity with loads of money. The non-commercial part is a bit of a minefield as one person&#8217;s NC is another&#8217;s blatantly commercial.</p>
<p>But if you approach and get permission direct the CC license doesn&#8217;t really mean much &#8211; all parts of the license can be waived by the photographer.</p>
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		<title>By: tehowe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929304</link>
		<dc:creator>tehowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SamSam Free with ads? That&#039;s also what Google does. Rupert Murdoch has notoriously been chasing them for aggregating news http://bit.ly/cMMJKk (meanwhile driving tons of traffic back to his publishing empire). In the meantime, Murdoch&#039;s enterprises have themselves been aggregating content. http://bit.ly/cs8yLG So to my POV, the meaning of all this is beginning to evaporate like the non-tangibles it purports to protect, but locks down in practice.

And things are only going to get worse if the global counterfeiting/copyright treaty - presently benig negotiated largely in secret - goes through. Michael Geist, Canada&#039;s chair on these issues, has a great blog about it all here: http://bit.ly/pORvf
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SamSam Free with ads? That&#8217;s also what Google does. Rupert Murdoch has notoriously been chasing them for aggregating news <a href="http://bit.ly/cMMJKk" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cMMJKk</a> (meanwhile driving tons of traffic back to his publishing empire). In the meantime, Murdoch&#8217;s enterprises have themselves been aggregating content. <a href="http://bit.ly/cs8yLG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cs8yLG</a> So to my POV, the meaning of all this is beginning to evaporate like the non-tangibles it purports to protect, but locks down in practice.</p>
<p>And things are only going to get worse if the global counterfeiting/copyright treaty &#8211; presently benig negotiated largely in secret &#8211; goes through. Michael Geist, Canada&#8217;s chair on these issues, has a great blog about it all here: <a href="http://bit.ly/pORvf" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/pORvf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929561</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve found 26 instances of article duplication in various issues of Cooks Source (sic) in the group on their page. https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=196994196748&amp;topic=23238 Articles have been reprinted in Cooks Source from Food Network, NPR, WebMD, Weight Watchers, Whole Living, Simply Recipes, What&#039;s Cooking America, Recipes Today and Chow.com. 

Help in finding more would be gratefully received. There is a Google Spreadsheet here, http://bit.ly/dDoxxP, that you can enter other instances of article duplication into.

At this time these are only articles that are duplicated. It is only once the other parties are contacted that we will be able to determine if these are also copyright violations.

As of 22:30 GMT Judith Griggs is unrepentant. Please help us find more examples and build a solid case to force Ms Griggs to stop behaving in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve found 26 instances of article duplication in various issues of Cooks Source (sic) in the group on their page. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=196994196748&#038;topic=23238" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=196994196748&#038;topic=23238</a> Articles have been reprinted in Cooks Source from Food Network, NPR, WebMD, Weight Watchers, Whole Living, Simply Recipes, What&#8217;s Cooking America, Recipes Today and Chow.com. </p>
<p>Help in finding more would be gratefully received. There is a Google Spreadsheet here, <a href="http://bit.ly/dDoxxP" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dDoxxP</a>, that you can enter other instances of article duplication into.</p>
<p>At this time these are only articles that are duplicated. It is only once the other parties are contacted that we will be able to determine if these are also copyright violations.</p>
<p>As of 22:30 GMT Judith Griggs is unrepentant. Please help us find more examples and build a solid case to force Ms Griggs to stop behaving in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Barbata</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-931354</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Barbata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m interested to see how this all unfolds. Hereâ€™s to hoping that all of the websites Cooks Source has been copying will join together and sue her alongside Ms. Gaudio. Shame on Ms. Griggs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m interested to see how this all unfolds. Hereâ€™s to hoping that all of the websites Cooks Source has been copying will join together and sue her alongside Ms. Gaudio. Shame on Ms. Griggs!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929307</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to place some weight on the fact that it&#039;s a *free* newsletter.  The fact that it&#039;s free doesn&#039;t mean that Judith Griggs isn&#039;t making money off of it.  Publications like this can make a tidy profit selling advertisements in their &quot;free&quot; journal.  This is a business model that&#039;s been around for quite a while.

Charging advertisers to associate their names with plagiarized content is just as bad as charging readers for it.

Judith Griggs is making money off of the works of others without proper attribution or compensation, pure and simple.  That kind of behavior is *exactly* what copyright law is all about stopping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to place some weight on the fact that it&#8217;s a *free* newsletter.  The fact that it&#8217;s free doesn&#8217;t mean that Judith Griggs isn&#8217;t making money off of it.  Publications like this can make a tidy profit selling advertisements in their &#8220;free&#8221; journal.  This is a business model that&#8217;s been around for quite a while.</p>
<p>Charging advertisers to associate their names with plagiarized content is just as bad as charging readers for it.</p>
<p>Judith Griggs is making money off of the works of others without proper attribution or compensation, pure and simple.  That kind of behavior is *exactly* what copyright law is all about stopping.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Aaron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929311</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;ve been (and are) on BB&#039;s side during every BB trolling war - but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a stretch to ask what&#039;s the difference when BB does it, or for that matter, Tosh.0, or CNN, or whoever.

If BB asks or links to the original (which they always seem to do, at least when possible), then I think that is &#039;enough&#039;.

It is a valid question though and a very fine line.  In this case, Cooks Magazine is far, far, far over that line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;ve been (and are) on BB&#8217;s side during every BB trolling war &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a stretch to ask what&#8217;s the difference when BB does it, or for that matter, Tosh.0, or CNN, or whoever.</p>
<p>If BB asks or links to the original (which they always seem to do, at least when possible), then I think that is &#8216;enough&#8217;.</p>
<p>It is a valid question though and a very fine line.  In this case, Cooks Magazine is far, far, far over that line.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929314</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just within the last 72 hours had a very similar experience with what had been an established and approved-by-their-legal-etc-dept&#039;s web *and* brick &amp; mortar (e.g. The Real Me, hands, heart, horses) presence.
I empathize totally with the &quot;situation&quot; Illador endedup embroiled in.
Karma works, baby =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just within the last 72 hours had a very similar experience with what had been an established and approved-by-their-legal-etc-dept&#8217;s web *and* brick &#038; mortar (e.g. The Real Me, hands, heart, horses) presence.<br />
I empathize totally with the &#8220;situation&#8221; Illador endedup embroiled in.<br />
Karma works, baby =)</p>
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		<title>By: karina</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929571</link>
		<dc:creator>karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html (highlighting mine):

Copyright law does not protect recipes that are mere listings of ingredients. Nor does it protect other mere listings of ingredients such as those found in formulas, compounds, or prescriptions. &lt;b&gt;Copyright protection may, however, extend to substantial literary expressionâ€”a description, explanation, or illustration, for exampleâ€”that accompanies a recipe or formula or to a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook&lt;/b&gt;.

Only original works of authorship are protected by copyright. â€œOriginalâ€ means that an author produced a work by his or her own intellectual effort instead of copying it from an existing work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html</a> (highlighting mine):</p>
<p>Copyright law does not protect recipes that are mere listings of ingredients. Nor does it protect other mere listings of ingredients such as those found in formulas, compounds, or prescriptions. <b>Copyright protection may, however, extend to substantial literary expressionâ€”a description, explanation, or illustration, for exampleâ€”that accompanies a recipe or formula or to a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook</b>.</p>
<p>Only original works of authorship are protected by copyright. â€œOriginalâ€ means that an author produced a work by his or her own intellectual effort instead of copying it from an existing work.</p>
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		<title>By: IPFREELY</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929573</link>
		<dc:creator>IPFREELY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s called the credits, but it doesn&#039;t help when they have to decide who to let go at the end of a work cycle. Amazon does have that stuff, I even get their fake names when I call them about bad orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s called the credits, but it doesn&#8217;t help when they have to decide who to let go at the end of a work cycle. Amazon does have that stuff, I even get their fake names when I call them about bad orders.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929318</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno Xeni, I kinda see where he&#039;s going with this.  I also consider myself quite knowledgeable when it comes to intellectual property (no expert mind) but am not sure where this sits.

Taking BoingBoing out of the equation ...

What&#039;s the difference between a blog re-posting an article and crediting it to the author (pretty much standard practice) and a magazine doing the same?   Yes the magazine may be paid for by advertising, but so are most blogs.

Although I also feel what this publication has done is wrong, and the assumption that all internet content is public domain is of course absurd ... I kind of feel the only the thing differentiating it from what is seen on the web every second of the day is the fact that someone printed this article on to paper.

I&#039;d be interested to hear what makes it more wrong, legally, if anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno Xeni, I kinda see where he&#8217;s going with this.  I also consider myself quite knowledgeable when it comes to intellectual property (no expert mind) but am not sure where this sits.</p>
<p>Taking BoingBoing out of the equation &#8230;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a blog re-posting an article and crediting it to the author (pretty much standard practice) and a magazine doing the same?   Yes the magazine may be paid for by advertising, but so are most blogs.</p>
<p>Although I also feel what this publication has done is wrong, and the assumption that all internet content is public domain is of course absurd &#8230; I kind of feel the only the thing differentiating it from what is seen on the web every second of the day is the fact that someone printed this article on to paper.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear what makes it more wrong, legally, if anything.</p>
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		<title>By: allegedlyyours</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929577</link>
		<dc:creator>allegedlyyours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the internet is a little bit bigger than 4chan. sure, 95% of the time when you see a story like this, it&#039;s got anonymous written all over it, but the general population is starting to catch up. it was read by BB&#039;s readership, and facebook is a powerful tool. just a different audience, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the internet is a little bit bigger than 4chan. sure, 95% of the time when you see a story like this, it&#8217;s got anonymous written all over it, but the general population is starting to catch up. it was read by BB&#8217;s readership, and facebook is a powerful tool. just a different audience, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-937258</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Internet for the win!

http://cookssource.com/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet for the win!</p>
<p><a href="http://cookssource.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://cookssource.com/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929327</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA! The CooksSouce website is down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! The CooksSouce website is down.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Fleishman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929328</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Fleishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SamSam wrote: &quot;When BB posts a CC-non commercial-licensed picture found on Flickr, and yet they are a commercial enterprise funded by advertisers&quot;

I hear this regularly, but there are two parts. First, the human-readable CC licenses is talking about specific use of the image for commercial purposes. That&#039;s generally well understood to mean using the image for gain related to the image, such as reproducing in a calendar, selling prints, or otherwise creating a product in which the image is part of the goods for sale and an integral part of it. (IANAL.)

The second is the legal contract that the human-readable CC license links to. It says very little about the commercial aspect, notably: &quot;You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. &quot;

This again isn&#039;t about the use of the item in the context of the whole; it&#039;s about the specific item in question. The phrase &quot;primarily intended&quot; makes it very clear to me. 

It sounds like a third category of CC license is needed. Commercial, non-commercial, and not-used-in-any-for-profit-endeavor-in-any-context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SamSam wrote: &#8220;When BB posts a CC-non commercial-licensed picture found on Flickr, and yet they are a commercial enterprise funded by advertisers&#8221;</p>
<p>I hear this regularly, but there are two parts. First, the human-readable CC licenses is talking about specific use of the image for commercial purposes. That&#8217;s generally well understood to mean using the image for gain related to the image, such as reproducing in a calendar, selling prints, or otherwise creating a product in which the image is part of the goods for sale and an integral part of it. (IANAL.)</p>
<p>The second is the legal contract that the human-readable CC license links to. It says very little about the commercial aspect, notably: &#8220;You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. &#8221;</p>
<p>This again isn&#8217;t about the use of the item in the context of the whole; it&#8217;s about the specific item in question. The phrase &#8220;primarily intended&#8221; makes it very clear to me. </p>
<p>It sounds like a third category of CC license is needed. Commercial, non-commercial, and not-used-in-any-for-profit-endeavor-in-any-context.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929331</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;EM&gt;I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a stretch to ask what&#039;s the difference when BB does it, or for that matter, Tosh.0, or CNN, or whoever.&lt;/EM&gt;
&lt;P&gt;
But we&#039;re not even talking about the same &quot;does it.&quot; Boing Boing does not plagiarize and then lie about it, or give people the kind of bullshit dishonest responses going down in this case. So, fine, compare apples to apples, but we, sir, are not oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a stretch to ask what&#8217;s the difference when BB does it, or for that matter, Tosh.0, or CNN, or whoever.</em></p>
<p>
But we&#8217;re not even talking about the same &#8220;does it.&#8221; Boing Boing does not plagiarize and then lie about it, or give people the kind of bullshit dishonest responses going down in this case. So, fine, compare apples to apples, but we, sir, are not oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929333</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Xeni, it really wasn&#039;t necessary to accuse me of trolling. It was something I&#039;ve wondered about abstractly for some time, and I was actually asking in perfectly a legitimate way, because I don&#039;t know what it means for a photo to be non-commercial and then used in a commercial site. I would have asked when I first was wondering about it on the old &quot;open thread&quot; post, but that post disappeared in one of the more site renovations of the past couple years.

Thanks for clarifying that you contact the photographers. You could have left it at that, instead of accusing me of trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Xeni, it really wasn&#8217;t necessary to accuse me of trolling. It was something I&#8217;ve wondered about abstractly for some time, and I was actually asking in perfectly a legitimate way, because I don&#8217;t know what it means for a photo to be non-commercial and then used in a commercial site. I would have asked when I first was wondering about it on the old &#8220;open thread&#8221; post, but that post disappeared in one of the more site renovations of the past couple years.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying that you contact the photographers. You could have left it at that, instead of accusing me of trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: WaylonWillie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929334</link>
		<dc:creator>WaylonWillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griggs is clearly a product of a modern college education. She practically admits &quot;This is how I did many of my college papers!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griggs is clearly a product of a modern college education. She practically admits &#8220;This is how I did many of my college papers!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929336</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, you are correct. And I&#039;ve had conversations with various people at Creative Commons about this very issue - even they know that there is a big, nebulous area that needs to be clarified somehow within their licensing scheme!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, you are correct. And I&#8217;ve had conversations with various people at Creative Commons about this very issue &#8211; even they know that there is a big, nebulous area that needs to be clarified somehow within their licensing scheme!</p>
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		<title>By: IPFREELY</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929338</link>
		<dc:creator>IPFREELY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I sometimes put in images I meant to work on instead of images I did work on. Sorry Xeni, if you ever found out about those cat photos.. Trying to convince an entire office workplace that they are committing copyright infringement is tough too, because they pay you for your work, so they argue that they don&#039;t even have to put your name on it. I ended up getting fired, but I wonder what would have happened if all the bugs I worked on for Activision had actually had my name on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I sometimes put in images I meant to work on instead of images I did work on. Sorry Xeni, if you ever found out about those cat photos.. Trying to convince an entire office workplace that they are committing copyright infringement is tough too, because they pay you for your work, so they argue that they don&#8217;t even have to put your name on it. I ended up getting fired, but I wonder what would have happened if all the bugs I worked on for Activision had actually had my name on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/04/todays-web-justice-d.html#comment-929340</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a huge slashdot thread not long ago accusing us of ripping off a photographer (who was in fact a friend of ours!), she released her pics under a cc license, she was a personal pal, and we ASKED -- and I&#039;m just really weary of this being brought up in an accusative way. So, if you were asking sincerely, great. But very often of late, people bring up the subject in a totally uninformed way, as if to slam us for a crime we&#039;re not committing, just because they&#039;re looking for some kind of gotcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a huge slashdot thread not long ago accusing us of ripping off a photographer (who was in fact a friend of ours!), she released her pics under a cc license, she was a personal pal, and we ASKED &#8212; and I&#8217;m just really weary of this being brought up in an accusative way. So, if you were asking sincerely, great. But very often of late, people bring up the subject in a totally uninformed way, as if to slam us for a crime we&#8217;re not committing, just because they&#8217;re looking for some kind of gotcha.</p>
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