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		<title>By: Baldhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-940034</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is odd that TSA employees aren&#039;t also scanned. After all what&#039;s to stop one of them from taking something past the checkpoint and leaving it where a passenger (now also safely through the checkpoint) can find it? In fact there&#039;s a large number of airport personnel that have access to rather sensitive things that aren&#039;t checked simply because they won&#039;t be going into the air with the plane. Focusing only on attacks on airborne planes is a bit like a soldier going into battle wearing just a helmet, the list of other vulnerable targets is so big it&#039;s pointless to list them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is odd that TSA employees aren&#8217;t also scanned. After all what&#8217;s to stop one of them from taking something past the checkpoint and leaving it where a passenger (now also safely through the checkpoint) can find it? In fact there&#8217;s a large number of airport personnel that have access to rather sensitive things that aren&#8217;t checked simply because they won&#8217;t be going into the air with the plane. Focusing only on attacks on airborne planes is a bit like a soldier going into battle wearing just a helmet, the list of other vulnerable targets is so big it&#8217;s pointless to list them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939013</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like this?
http://trueblood.wikia.com/wiki/Anubis_Air_Airlines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like this?<br />
<a href="http://trueblood.wikia.com/wiki/Anubis_Air_Airlines" rel="nofollow">http://trueblood.wikia.com/wiki/Anubis_Air_Airlines</a></p>
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		<title>By: technogeek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939274</link>
		<dc:creator>technogeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I was thinking millimeter-wave. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I was thinking millimeter-wave. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: technogeek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939276</link>
		<dc:creator>technogeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recommended reading: The short story _Weapons_Of_Mass_Distraction_.

All the security theater is doing more damage to our country than a genuine terrorist attack would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recommended reading: The short story _Weapons_Of_Mass_Distraction_.</p>
<p>All the security theater is doing more damage to our country than a genuine terrorist attack would.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939289</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still maintain the role of the TSA is to deter air traffic. It&#039;s cheaper than upgrading the system. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i still maintain the role of the TSA is to deter air traffic. It&#8217;s cheaper than upgrading the system. </p>
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		<title>By: Linds</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939547</link>
		<dc:creator>Linds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s going to tell the TSA that if the pilot wants the plane to crash it&#039;s going to crash and the only way to stop them is keep them out of the cockpit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s going to tell the TSA that if the pilot wants the plane to crash it&#8217;s going to crash and the only way to stop them is keep them out of the cockpit?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939310</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Donald Petersen in reply to hobomike 
&quot; Rep. Jimmy Duncan (R, Tenn.) ... Now I&#039;m not usually gonna agree with a Tennessee Republican, but yeah... this is not money well spent. We&#039;re going about this all wrong.&quot;

I wo9nder if the Small-Govt Teabaggers are in favour of abolishing the Air Marshalls, and TSA as a whole. Seems like a good place to make a quick win in terms of federal money spent. 

Wouldn&#039;t that be ironic - the Teabaggers doing something that&#039;d probably enrage their &#039;base&#039;, yet simultaneously get most Boing Boing readers on board!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Donald Petersen in reply to hobomike<br />
&#8221; Rep. Jimmy Duncan (R, Tenn.) &#8230; Now I&#8217;m not usually gonna agree with a Tennessee Republican, but yeah&#8230; this is not money well spent. We&#8217;re going about this all wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wo9nder if the Small-Govt Teabaggers are in favour of abolishing the Air Marshalls, and TSA as a whole. Seems like a good place to make a quick win in terms of federal money spent. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be ironic &#8211; the Teabaggers doing something that&#8217;d probably enrage their &#8216;base&#8217;, yet simultaneously get most Boing Boing readers on board!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939320</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microwave radiation, like all radio wave radiation, heats tissue.  Check out how polymerase chain reaction works.  No need to have ionizing radiation knock out a molecular bond, just melt it.  The best way to avoid impacts from RF energy is to, well avoid it.  Reduce exposure time, reduce energy levels, increase your distance from the source.  Which one of those three do _you_ have control over standing in line at the airport?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microwave radiation, like all radio wave radiation, heats tissue.  Check out how polymerase chain reaction works.  No need to have ionizing radiation knock out a molecular bond, just melt it.  The best way to avoid impacts from RF energy is to, well avoid it.  Reduce exposure time, reduce energy levels, increase your distance from the source.  Which one of those three do _you_ have control over standing in line at the airport?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939067</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. Senate commerce committee is holding a hearing on the TSA *the day after tomorrow*. If one of your senators is on the committee, now would be the time to let him or her know what you think of all this, and what to ask the allegedly Honorable John S. Pistole, A. of the TSA.

Hearing info: &lt;http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Hearings&amp;ContentRecord_id=9ad9e372-c415-4758-805a-4b4a295ccb8b&amp;ContentType_id=14f995b9-dfa5-407a-9d35-56cc7152a7ed&amp;Group_id=b06c39af-e033-4cba-9221-de668ca1978a&amp;MonthDisplay=11&amp;YearDisplay=2010&gt;

Commerce committee members: &lt;http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=CommitteeMembers&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. Senate commerce committee is holding a hearing on the TSA *the day after tomorrow*. If one of your senators is on the committee, now would be the time to let him or her know what you think of all this, and what to ask the allegedly Honorable John S. Pistole, A. of the TSA.</p>
<p>Hearing info: < <a href="http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Hearings&#038;ContentRecord_id=9ad9e372-c415-4758-805a-4b4a295ccb8b&#038;ContentType_id=14f995b9-dfa5-407a-9d35-56cc7152a7ed&#038;Group_id=b06c39af-e033-4cba-9221-de668ca1978a&#038;MonthDisplay=11&#038;YearDisplay=2010" rel="nofollow">http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Hearings&#038;ContentRecord_id=9ad9e372-c415-4758-805a-4b4a295ccb8b&#038;ContentType_id=14f995b9-dfa5-407a-9d35-56cc7152a7ed&#038;Group_id=b06c39af-e033-4cba-9221-de668ca1978a&#038;MonthDisplay=11&#038;YearDisplay=2010></p>
<p>Commerce committee members: < <a href="http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=CommitteeMembers" rel="nofollow">http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=CommitteeMembers></p>
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		<title>By: Jake von Slatt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939075</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake von Slatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@blisko

Thanks! That makes me feel better about the people that, for one reason or another, feel they can&#039;t opt out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@blisko</p>
<p>Thanks! That makes me feel better about the people that, for one reason or another, feel they can&#8217;t opt out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939079</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or anesthetized on trays. Don&#039;t miss Ray Vukcevich&#039;s short story &quot;in the flesh&quot;:

http://www.infinitematrix.net/stories/shorts/in_the_flesh.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or anesthetized on trays. Don&#8217;t miss Ray Vukcevich&#8217;s short story &#8220;in the flesh&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.infinitematrix.net/stories/shorts/in_the_flesh.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.infinitematrix.net/stories/shorts/in_the_flesh.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939081</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are they frisking pilots anyway?

A pilot cannot hijack a plane, because they&#039;re already in charge of flying it in the first place. 

If a pilot wants to use a plane for the purposes of terrorism, they don&#039;t need a gun or bomb to do so. We&#039;re already entrusting these people with the safety of everyone on board, so they should be allowed to carry more than 3oz of water etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are they frisking pilots anyway?</p>
<p>A pilot cannot hijack a plane, because they&#8217;re already in charge of flying it in the first place. </p>
<p>If a pilot wants to use a plane for the purposes of terrorism, they don&#8217;t need a gun or bomb to do so. We&#8217;re already entrusting these people with the safety of everyone on board, so they should be allowed to carry more than 3oz of water etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mllerustad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mllerustad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon: You treat pilots the same as other passengers because otherwise the obvious terrorist get-out-of-security-free card is to wear a pilot&#039;s uniform and a reasonable facsimile of a badge.

Presumably the airline and the other staff members know who&#039;s supposed to be flying which flight, and scan / properly go over pilot IDs, so a uniformed terrorist probably couldn&#039;t con themselves into the cockpit. (Change in the bathroom, get on the plane dressed as a regular passenger + whatever contraband you just moved through security, done.) The TSA folks, though, don&#039;t have access to that sort of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon: You treat pilots the same as other passengers because otherwise the obvious terrorist get-out-of-security-free card is to wear a pilot&#8217;s uniform and a reasonable facsimile of a badge.</p>
<p>Presumably the airline and the other staff members know who&#8217;s supposed to be flying which flight, and scan / properly go over pilot IDs, so a uniformed terrorist probably couldn&#8217;t con themselves into the cockpit. (Change in the bathroom, get on the plane dressed as a regular passenger + whatever contraband you just moved through security, done.) The TSA folks, though, don&#8217;t have access to that sort of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939608</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what happens when the terrorists show up in TSA uniforms with reasonable facsimiles of TSA IDs? You think every TSA agent at LAX knows every other TSA agent by sight? 

We&#039;re doomed! DOOMED!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what happens when the terrorists show up in TSA uniforms with reasonable facsimiles of TSA IDs? You think every TSA agent at LAX knows every other TSA agent by sight? </p>
<p>We&#8217;re doomed! DOOMED!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939101</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days, we&#039;ll see a dozen completely unarmed, inoffensive, lightly-shod, rectally-vacant, thoroughly screened men board a plane, wait peacefully for cruising altitude to be reached, subdue the passengers either by threatening to manually dismember a baby in Coach or perhaps through some disabling hi-pitched sonic-attack app one of them has on his iPhone (or whatever), and set to work on the cabin door.  And then we&#039;ll see if the plane bears an Air Marshal who can take out a dozen targets before he gets subdued himself.  Or if the pilots can maybe depressurize the cabin enough to neutralize the threat (hopefully without substantially damaging too many innocent passengers) before the door is breached.  Or if there&#039;s a Federal Flight Deck Officer on board who&#039;s even more of a crack shot than the FAM.  And if this were a movie, they&#039;d plow that plane straight into the TSA Administrator&#039;s office.  Which would be a damned shame; as Deputy Director of the FBI, Administrator Pistole disallowed &quot;coercive interrogations&quot; and would seem to have fallen on the right side of that particular argument in the wake of Abu Ghraib.

In any case, 9/11 tightened the security bottleneck.  Richard Reid stole our footwear.  And this latest indignity to our sacrosanct crotchal areas has been brought to you by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.  Once we start seeing airborne terrorism by small gangs of determined yet apparently unarmed men, no matter how limited the havoc they wreak, how long can the American air travel industry survive?  How can they defend against terrorism in the form of brute-force mob uprising?  Will they simply have to install a self-destruct on commercial 747s?  Have they already?

When will they realize that defending against last week&#039;s attack provides no safety whatsoever against next week&#039;s?  When are we finally going to realize as a nation that we just kinda have to take our chances, hope for the best, and try a bit harder not to alienate so many people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days, we&#8217;ll see a dozen completely unarmed, inoffensive, lightly-shod, rectally-vacant, thoroughly screened men board a plane, wait peacefully for cruising altitude to be reached, subdue the passengers either by threatening to manually dismember a baby in Coach or perhaps through some disabling hi-pitched sonic-attack app one of them has on his iPhone (or whatever), and set to work on the cabin door.  And then we&#8217;ll see if the plane bears an Air Marshal who can take out a dozen targets before he gets subdued himself.  Or if the pilots can maybe depressurize the cabin enough to neutralize the threat (hopefully without substantially damaging too many innocent passengers) before the door is breached.  Or if there&#8217;s a Federal Flight Deck Officer on board who&#8217;s even more of a crack shot than the FAM.  And if this were a movie, they&#8217;d plow that plane straight into the TSA Administrator&#8217;s office.  Which would be a damned shame; as Deputy Director of the FBI, Administrator Pistole disallowed &#8220;coercive interrogations&#8221; and would seem to have fallen on the right side of that particular argument in the wake of Abu Ghraib.</p>
<p>In any case, 9/11 tightened the security bottleneck.  Richard Reid stole our footwear.  And this latest indignity to our sacrosanct crotchal areas has been brought to you by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.  Once we start seeing airborne terrorism by small gangs of determined yet apparently unarmed men, no matter how limited the havoc they wreak, how long can the American air travel industry survive?  How can they defend against terrorism in the form of brute-force mob uprising?  Will they simply have to install a self-destruct on commercial 747s?  Have they already?</p>
<p>When will they realize that defending against last week&#8217;s attack provides no safety whatsoever against next week&#8217;s?  When are we finally going to realize as a nation that we just kinda have to take our chances, hope for the best, and try a bit harder not to alienate so many people?</p>
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		<title>By: Mllerustad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939613</link>
		<dc:creator>Mllerustad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simply a fact that giving special privileges and trust based on a uniform is generally poor security practice. Certainly I don&#039;t think pilots *should* be regularly groped or scanned; rather, it&#039;s not because they&#039;re a special case, but because *nobody* entering an airport should be.

I feel odd having to tell a mod this, but there&#039;s really no need to be snippy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simply a fact that giving special privileges and trust based on a uniform is generally poor security practice. Certainly I don&#8217;t think pilots *should* be regularly groped or scanned; rather, it&#8217;s not because they&#8217;re a special case, but because *nobody* entering an airport should be.</p>
<p>I feel odd having to tell a mod this, but there&#8217;s really no need to be snippy.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939617</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m merely expanding your point. If you can&#039;t trust the pilots, then everyone who enters the security zone, including police and TSA workers should be searched the same way as passengers. And the people doing the searching should be subject to biometric verification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m merely expanding your point. If you can&#8217;t trust the pilots, then everyone who enters the security zone, including police and TSA workers should be searched the same way as passengers. And the people doing the searching should be subject to biometric verification.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-940132</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it is radiation. The bad kind. The kind my wife has been warned not to get an more of because of extensive surgeries during her lifetime already. More will not help. 

Besides all that, is this making anyone safer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is radiation. The bad kind. The kind my wife has been warned not to get an more of because of extensive surgeries during her lifetime already. More will not help. </p>
<p>Besides all that, is this making anyone safer?</p>
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		<title>By: jackdavinci</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939621</link>
		<dc:creator>jackdavinci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHo? Who? Who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHo? Who? Who?</p>
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		<title>By: hobomike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939114</link>
		<dc:creator>hobomike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.

I suppose it will continue to escalate as long as there&#039;s money in it. We have greed and lobbies to thank for these devices. Security is just lipstick on the pig. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
<p>I suppose it will continue to escalate as long as there&#8217;s money in it. We have greed and lobbies to thank for these devices. Security is just lipstick on the pig. </p>
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		<title>By: Tensegrity</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939122</link>
		<dc:creator>Tensegrity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solution: always turn down scan in favor of government administered crotch grab and then at the moment of truth, borrow this move...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solution: always turn down scan in favor of government administered crotch grab and then at the moment of truth, borrow this move&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boomshadow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939893</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without endangering oneself or others, is there something I can use to put a message on my body that would only be readable by the scanner?  Something like, the Constitution, perhaps?  Or, for less subtlety (and if high-resolution body markings are not available), an upraised middle finger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without endangering oneself or others, is there something I can use to put a message on my body that would only be readable by the scanner?  Something like, the Constitution, perhaps?  Or, for less subtlety (and if high-resolution body markings are not available), an upraised middle finger?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-940409</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The vast majority of doors on commercial airlines are plug doors-the cabin pressure actually pushes them closed, &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course.  I meant to say the cockpit door.  I don&#039;t know how those are secured, other than they&#039;re &lt;b&gt;supposed&lt;/b&gt; to be pretty impregnable these days, but I don&#039;t imagine it&#039;s cabin air pressure that&#039;s holding the cockpit door closed, unless the pilots are in pressure suits these days.

I wonder, though, just how much damage this hypothetical unarmed-gang-of-12 could do.

Hmm.  On a long flight, I imagine an opportunity would arise sooner or later.  Until the cockpit gets its own galley and head, anyway...

Well!  Y&#039;all enjoy your long holiday weekend travels.  Me, I&#039;m staying in L.A. for Thanksgiving this year.  It turns into a ghost town for four days, there are plenty of good seats at the movies, and my only groping experiences will be solicited and/or welcomed.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The vast majority of doors on commercial airlines are plug doors-the cabin pressure actually pushes them closed, </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course.  I meant to say the cockpit door.  I don&#8217;t know how those are secured, other than they&#8217;re <b>supposed</b> to be pretty impregnable these days, but I don&#8217;t imagine it&#8217;s cabin air pressure that&#8217;s holding the cockpit door closed, unless the pilots are in pressure suits these days.</p>
<p>I wonder, though, just how much damage this hypothetical unarmed-gang-of-12 could do.</p>
<p>Hmm.  On a long flight, I imagine an opportunity would arise sooner or later.  Until the cockpit gets its own galley and head, anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>Well!  Y&#8217;all enjoy your long holiday weekend travels.  Me, I&#8217;m staying in L.A. for Thanksgiving this year.  It turns into a ghost town for four days, there are plenty of good seats at the movies, and my only groping experiences will be solicited and/or welcomed.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939131</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you said it.  I had a peek at what Rep. Jimmy Duncan (R, Tenn.) had to say &lt;a href=&quot;http://duncan.house.gov/2009/06/22062009.shtml&quot;&gt;about the Federal Air Marshal Service&lt;/a&gt;.  Four arrests a year on average for all 4,000 marshals?  Not four each.  Four for the whole service.  At a cost of about $200 million per arrest.

Now I&#039;m not usually gonna agree with a Tennessee Republican, but yeah... this is not money well spent.  We&#039;re going about this all wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you said it.  I had a peek at what Rep. Jimmy Duncan (R, Tenn.) had to say <a href="http://duncan.house.gov/2009/06/22062009.shtml">about the Federal Air Marshal Service</a>.  Four arrests a year on average for all 4,000 marshals?  Not four each.  Four for the whole service.  At a cost of about $200 million per arrest.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not usually gonna agree with a Tennessee Republican, but yeah&#8230; this is not money well spent.  We&#8217;re going about this all wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonjeep</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939403</link>
		<dc:creator>jasonjeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More power to the pilots.  Any organization that represents frequent fliers should join with them in protesting.  Everyone who flies should be concerned.  And just how many attacks has the TSA stymied to date?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More power to the pilots.  Any organization that represents frequent fliers should join with them in protesting.  Everyone who flies should be concerned.  And just how many attacks has the TSA stymied to date?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939918</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today is the best day to do something about this: the Senate TSA Oversight Hearing meets &lt;b&gt;tomorrow&lt;/b&gt;, November 17 2010.  

Call your senator now, &lt;b&gt;today&lt;/b&gt;, and politely, calmly and reasonably bitch at them (well, their staff) about this policy.

More info is here at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/1147610-heads-up-senate-tsa-oversight-hearing-17-nov.html&quot;&gt;FlyerTalk&lt;/a&gt;, together with phone numbers and home pages for key senators&#039; offices.  Even if your senator isn&#039;t on the list, talk to them and let them know this affects you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is the best day to do something about this: the Senate TSA Oversight Hearing meets <b>tomorrow</b>, November 17 2010.  </p>
<p>Call your senator now, <b>today</b>, and politely, calmly and reasonably bitch at them (well, their staff) about this policy.</p>
<p>More info is here at <a href="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/1147610-heads-up-senate-tsa-oversight-hearing-17-nov.html">FlyerTalk</a>, together with phone numbers and home pages for key senators&#8217; offices.  Even if your senator isn&#8217;t on the list, talk to them and let them know this affects you.</p>
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		<title>By: hungryjoe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939417</link>
		<dc:creator>hungryjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there no talk of a boycott?  If we all stop flying, the airlines will take it upon themselves to stop this madness.  Janet Napolitano may not listen to 300 million Americans, but she will for damn sure listen to the airline industry if they&#039;re losing money over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there no talk of a boycott?  If we all stop flying, the airlines will take it upon themselves to stop this madness.  Janet Napolitano may not listen to 300 million Americans, but she will for damn sure listen to the airline industry if they&#8217;re losing money over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939431</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilsko, I looked into your link at the FDA.  First I had to figure out what the units were:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert
Seems the units vary depending on the species and tissues exposed?  So when we&#039;re talking whole humans what does the &quot;0.25 uSv per &#039;screening&#039;&quot; unit mean?  These physics are hard for me to grasp.

Also it looks like the standars for exposure were more than doubled in the last year.  How convenient.
The Dose from Compton Backscatter Screening
Peter Rez,*Robert L. Metzger# and Kenneth L. Mossman
http://www.public.asu.edu/~atppr/RPD-Final-Form.pdf

From the above links it looks like the manufactures still haven&#039;t released what their units put out, only that they meet guidelines and specifications.  No disclosure.

First avoid the impact. Next minimize any impact.  Then mitigate for the remaining impact.  It&#039;s kind of like the reduce, reuse, recycle triangle.  You get more if you start at the beginning.  

Opt out.  Make some theater of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilsko, I looked into your link at the FDA.  First I had to figure out what the units were:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert</a><br />
Seems the units vary depending on the species and tissues exposed?  So when we&#8217;re talking whole humans what does the &#8220;0.25 uSv per &#8216;screening&#8217;&#8221; unit mean?  These physics are hard for me to grasp.</p>
<p>Also it looks like the standars for exposure were more than doubled in the last year.  How convenient.<br />
The Dose from Compton Backscatter Screening<br />
Peter Rez,*Robert L. Metzger# and Kenneth L. Mossman<br />
<a href="http://www.public.asu.edu/~atppr/RPD-Final-Form.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.public.asu.edu/~atppr/RPD-Final-Form.pdf</a></p>
<p>From the above links it looks like the manufactures still haven&#8217;t released what their units put out, only that they meet guidelines and specifications.  No disclosure.</p>
<p>First avoid the impact. Next minimize any impact.  Then mitigate for the remaining impact.  It&#8217;s kind of like the reduce, reuse, recycle triangle.  You get more if you start at the beginning.  </p>
<p>Opt out.  Make some theater of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: technogeek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-938940</link>
		<dc:creator>technogeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm... Do I remember that backscatter is microwave, not X-ray/ionizing? 

I grant that microwave can be called &quot;radiation&quot; and too much is unhealthy, and I certainly agree that some indication of &quot;dosage will not exceed [number generally accepted as safe]&quot; would be appreciated -- especially for pilots, who spent more time at high altitudes than most of us and hence may pick up a bit more natural dosage. But this sounds like a case of the R-word being used because it&#039;s scary rather than because it&#039;s a valid description of the risk.

(Maybe all it needs is a renaming. After all, people are less scared of MRI than of NMR, just because they don&#039;t like the word &quot;nuclear&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm&#8230; Do I remember that backscatter is microwave, not X-ray/ionizing? </p>
<p>I grant that microwave can be called &#8220;radiation&#8221; and too much is unhealthy, and I certainly agree that some indication of &#8220;dosage will not exceed [number generally accepted as safe]&#8221; would be appreciated &#8212; especially for pilots, who spent more time at high altitudes than most of us and hence may pick up a bit more natural dosage. But this sounds like a case of the R-word being used because it&#8217;s scary rather than because it&#8217;s a valid description of the risk.</p>
<p>(Maybe all it needs is a renaming. After all, people are less scared of MRI than of NMR, just because they don&#8217;t like the word &#8220;nuclear&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: jackie31337</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/15/pilots-unions-dont-s.html#comment-939713</link>
		<dc:creator>jackie31337</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often been tempted to strip at the checkpoint, but I suspect that would (ironically) result in me being charged with indecent exposure. My current plan is to get a stars and stripes bikini and strip down to that. I think they maybe Speedo-style briefs for men, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often been tempted to strip at the checkpoint, but I suspect that would (ironically) result in me being charged with indecent exposure. My current plan is to get a stars and stripes bikini and strip down to that. I think they maybe Speedo-style briefs for men, as well.</p>
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