Cables out: Korea unification plan; Illicit Pakistan nukes; U.S. threatened Germany over CIA kidnapping

Discuss

20 Responses to “Cables out: Korea unification plan; Illicit Pakistan nukes; U.S. threatened Germany over CIA kidnapping”

  1. benher says:

    Korean unification is only going to happen when the DPRK collapses… and I doubt anyone thinks it will happen as ‘smoothly’ as the collapse of the CCCP.

  2. Aloisius says:

    Hrm. From the article:

    Many more cables name diplomats’ confidential sources, from foreign legislators and military officers to human rights activists and journalists, often with a warning to Washington: “Please protect” or “Strictly protect.”

    I wonder if their names will be leaked.

  3. Anonymous says:

    This just seems wrong to me. Everyone, even government employees need to have candid outlets that are not made public so that can discuss ideas and observations without the threat of public misunderstanding.

    Yes, ultimate secrecy is not a good thing, but every organization has good reasons for being secretive

    …even Boing Boing

    To quote your blog’s own reasons for deleting posts pertaining to Violet Blue:

    “We hope you’ll respect our choice to keep the reasons behind this private. We do understand the confusion this caused for some, especially since we fight hard for openness and transparency. We were trying to do the right thing quietly and respectfully, without embarrassing the parties involved.”

    These cables, which are obviously illegally obtained, will be taken grossly out of context in some circumstances and people may lose lives because it.

    I’m sorry but there is so more wrong will come of this than is right.

    • bzishi says:

      This just seems wrong to me. Everyone, even government employees need to have candid outlets that are not made public so that can discuss ideas and observations without the threat of public misunderstanding.

      Yes, ultimate secrecy is not a good thing, but every organization has good reasons for being secretive

      …even Boing Boing

      Can we really be so naïve after the Bush invasions? Leaks of a similar magnitude during the buildup might have saved a lot of lives. And it really isn’t fair to compare Boing Boing with a government. Boing Boing has never used force to settle disputes nor can it compel people to follow orders. Reading Boing Boing is optional, following government orders, or paying for the government to kill people is not.

      These cables, which are obviously illegally obtained, will be taken grossly out of context in some circumstances and people may lose lives because it.

      Unlikely. None were classified higher than secret. They are likely to embarass the US, but not endanger agents in the field.

  4. Aloisius says:

    NY Times seems to have broken the embargo which means other people will surely follow. They actually have multiple articles up right now in their State Secrets area.

  5. Marcos Teri says:

    Despite increasing attention and dissemination on Twitter, #wikileaks and #cablegate are still being excluded from twitter’s trending lists. 3rd party metrics have #wikileaks accounting for a full 2% of twitter traffic, whereas twitter itself seems to think that “LatinAmericaNeedsBiebs” is much more important.

  6. gwailo_joe says:

    Actually this kind of reassures me: China is down with the Korean unification? Good.

    It’s gonna be a mess when it all comes down, it’ll make Germanys’ look like the transfer of the Panama canal by comparison. . .

    At least the higher-up are going to a few meetings about this issue.

    As to the rest: international business as usual. Tho’ the Putin, Ber-ni connection is news to me; somehow I’m not surprised. . .

  7. Aloisius says:

    Woo. Now the Guardian has all the leaks up for download.

  8. Chris Tucker says:

    Hilarity Ensues!

    Global diplomatic hilarity.

  9. Xof says:

    China being “in” on Korean unification means that they’ve been consulted about it, not that there is an agreed plan, if the NYT summary is to be believed. It would be near-revolutionary if there was an agreed plan between the US, South Korea, and China, and North Korea’s leadership bunker would not be a happy place upon learning of this.

  10. Aloisius says:

    What shocks me is that the Saudis actually are pressing us to bomb Iran!

    • Hools Verne says:

      Why does that shock you? Saudi Arabia has been in competition with Iran over oil exports and control of the Arab world for most of the 20th century and I’m pretty sure they have pressured the US and BP to mess with Iran’s affairs before, usually with sanctions.

    • gwailo_joe says:

      Sunnis vs. Shiites. Those guys have been really mad at each other for 1400 years give or take.

      For Saudi Arabia it makes sense: “yes America, please bomb our Persian minority schism adversaries so that their oil reserves will never compete with ours.” “Thanks for the heads up House of Saud, that Ahmadinejad fellow is really quite annoying, maybe we will. . .keep that crude flowing, boys!”

  11. headfoo says:

    As this whole thing unfolds and I read the reports/some documents, my world view is changing. Makes me want to move to some little central or south american country and live out my remaining 20-25 years writing short stories and exploring myan ruins.

  12. MikeP says:

    The Saudis have been pressing us to bomb Iran for years, that’s not exactly news. The idea of Iran becoming a regional hegemon absolutely terrifies them.

  13. weeble says:

    “There’s a plan for unifying Korea after the North collapses, and China’s in on it.”

    Where does the linked article say this? There’s a mention there of America and South Korea discussing what to do in the event of the collapse of the North, including how they would deal with China, but I see no mention of China being “in on it”. Is this statement sourced from the cables themselves, or is it just a strange interpretation of the linked article?

  14. ron says:

    Actually this kind of reassures me: China is down with the Korean unification? Good.

    It’s gonna be a mess when it all comes down, it’ll make Germanys’ look like the transfer of the Panama canal by comparison. . .

  15. Potoman says:

    “Vladlimir Putin & Silvio Berlusconi have some kind of weird bromance going on”. I’m sure Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to be part of the club but they refused him because they don’t accept midgets. Hence his jealousy crisis & the increase of fascism in his homeland security politics, trying to prove he can be worse than them.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Putin, Berlusconi, Medvedev and Sarkozy are all between 5′-2″ and 5′-5″, although Putin and Berlusconi claim to be 5′-7″. But then, Putin rips his shirt off every time he sees a bear and a camera.

      • Potoman says:

        Haha yes, Putin also puts tigers to sleep & teach the world how to do judo on DVD. Thanks for the information about these people’s height. I think that sometimes in France we tend to forget that Europe has other Naboleons (pun on word, nabot meaning dwarf) as well.

Leave a Reply