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	<title>Comments on: Cables out: Korea unification plan; Illicit Pakistan nukes; U.S. threatened Germany over CIA&#160;kidnapping</title>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950528</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putin, Berlusconi, Medvedev and Sarkozy are all between 5&#039;-2&quot; and 5&#039;-5&quot;, although Putin and Berlusconi claim to be 5&#039;-7&quot;. But then, Putin rips his shirt off every time he sees a bear and a camera. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin, Berlusconi, Medvedev and Sarkozy are all between 5&#8242;-2&#8243; and 5&#8242;-5&#8243;, although Putin and Berlusconi claim to be 5&#8242;-7&#8243;. But then, Putin rips his shirt off every time he sees a bear and a camera. </p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950786</link>
		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korean unification is only going to happen when the DPRK collapses... and I doubt anyone thinks it will happen as &#039;smoothly&#039; as the collapse of the CCCP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korean unification is only going to happen when the DPRK collapses&#8230; and I doubt anyone thinks it will happen as &#8216;smoothly&#8217; as the collapse of the CCCP.</p>
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		<title>By: Potoman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950550</link>
		<dc:creator>Potoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha yes, Putin also puts tigers to sleep &amp; teach the world how to do judo on DVD. Thanks for the information about these people&#039;s height. I think that sometimes in France we tend to forget that Europe has other Naboleons (pun on word, nabot meaning dwarf) as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha yes, Putin also puts tigers to sleep &#038; teach the world how to do judo on DVD. Thanks for the information about these people&#8217;s height. I think that sometimes in France we tend to forget that Europe has other Naboleons (pun on word, nabot meaning dwarf) as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950392</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm. From the article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Many more cables name diplomatsâ€™ confidential sources, from foreign legislators and military officers to human rights activists and journalists, often with a warning to Washington: â€œPlease protectâ€ or â€œStrictly protect.â€ &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wonder if their names will be leaked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm. From the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>Many more cables name diplomatsâ€™ confidential sources, from foreign legislators and military officers to human rights activists and journalists, often with a warning to Washington: â€œPlease protectâ€ or â€œStrictly protect.â€ </p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder if their names will be leaked.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950394</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just seems wrong to me. Everyone, even government employees need to have candid outlets that are not made public so that can discuss ideas and observations without the threat of public misunderstanding.

Yes, ultimate secrecy is not a good thing, but every organization has good reasons for being secretive

...even Boing Boing

To quote your blog&#039;s own reasons for deleting posts pertaining to Violet Blue: 

&quot;We hope youâ€™ll respect our choice to keep the reasons behind this private. We do understand the confusion this caused for some, especially since we fight hard for openness and transparency. We were trying to do the right thing quietly and respectfully, without embarrassing the parties involved.&quot;

These cables, which are obviously illegally obtained, will be taken grossly out of context in some circumstances and people may lose lives because it.

I&#039;m sorry but there is so more wrong will come of this than is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just seems wrong to me. Everyone, even government employees need to have candid outlets that are not made public so that can discuss ideas and observations without the threat of public misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Yes, ultimate secrecy is not a good thing, but every organization has good reasons for being secretive</p>
<p>&#8230;even Boing Boing</p>
<p>To quote your blog&#8217;s own reasons for deleting posts pertaining to Violet Blue: </p>
<p>&#8220;We hope youâ€™ll respect our choice to keep the reasons behind this private. We do understand the confusion this caused for some, especially since we fight hard for openness and transparency. We were trying to do the right thing quietly and respectfully, without embarrassing the parties involved.&#8221;</p>
<p>These cables, which are obviously illegally obtained, will be taken grossly out of context in some circumstances and people may lose lives because it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but there is so more wrong will come of this than is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950399</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NY Times seems to have broken the embargo which means other people will surely follow. They actually have multiple articles up right now in their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/statessecrets.html&quot;&gt;State Secrets&lt;/a&gt; area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NY Times seems to have broken the embargo which means other people will surely follow. They actually have multiple articles up right now in their <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/statessecrets.html">State Secrets</a> area.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos Teri</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950400</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite increasing attention and dissemination on Twitter, #wikileaks and #cablegate are still being excluded from twitter&#039;s trending lists.  3rd party metrics have #wikileaks accounting for a full 2% of twitter traffic, whereas twitter itself seems to think that &quot;LatinAmericaNeedsBiebs&quot; is much more important.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite increasing attention and dissemination on Twitter, #wikileaks and #cablegate are still being excluded from twitter&#8217;s trending lists.  3rd party metrics have #wikileaks accounting for a full 2% of twitter traffic, whereas twitter itself seems to think that &#8220;LatinAmericaNeedsBiebs&#8221; is much more important.  </p>
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		<title>By: gwailo_joe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950402</link>
		<dc:creator>gwailo_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this kind of reassures me: China is down with the Korean unification?  Good. 

 It&#039;s gonna be a mess when it all comes down, it&#039;ll make Germanys&#039; look like the transfer of the Panama canal by comparison. . .

At least the higher-up are going to a few meetings about this issue.

As to the rest: international business as usual.  Tho&#039; the Putin, Ber-ni connection is news to me; somehow I&#039;m not surprised. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this kind of reassures me: China is down with the Korean unification?  Good. </p>
<p> It&#8217;s gonna be a mess when it all comes down, it&#8217;ll make Germanys&#8217; look like the transfer of the Panama canal by comparison. . .</p>
<p>At least the higher-up are going to a few meetings about this issue.</p>
<p>As to the rest: international business as usual.  Tho&#8217; the Putin, Ber-ni connection is news to me; somehow I&#8217;m not surprised. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950403</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo. Now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data#&quot;&gt;the Guardian&lt;/a&gt; has all the leaks up for download.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo. Now <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data#">the Guardian</a> has all the leaks up for download.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Tucker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950404</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarity Ensues!

Global diplomatic hilarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarity Ensues!</p>
<p>Global diplomatic hilarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950406</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China being &quot;in&quot; on Korean unification means that they&#039;ve been consulted about it, not that there is an agreed plan, if the NYT summary is to be believed. It would be near-revolutionary if there was an agreed plan between the US, South Korea, and China, and North Korea&#039;s leadership bunker would not be a happy place upon learning of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China being &#8220;in&#8221; on Korean unification means that they&#8217;ve been consulted about it, not that there is an agreed plan, if the NYT summary is to be believed. It would be near-revolutionary if there was an agreed plan between the US, South Korea, and China, and North Korea&#8217;s leadership bunker would not be a happy place upon learning of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950408</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What shocks me is that the Saudis actually are pressing us to bomb Iran!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What shocks me is that the Saudis actually are pressing us to bomb Iran!</p>
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		<title>By: headfoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950412</link>
		<dc:creator>headfoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As this whole thing unfolds and I read the reports/some documents, my world view is changing. Makes me want to move to some little central or south american country and live out my remaining 20-25 years writing short stories and exploring myan ruins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As this whole thing unfolds and I read the reports/some documents, my world view is changing. Makes me want to move to some little central or south american country and live out my remaining 20-25 years writing short stories and exploring myan ruins.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950413</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Saudis have been pressing us to bomb Iran for years, that&#039;s not exactly news.  The idea of Iran becoming a regional hegemon absolutely terrifies them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saudis have been pressing us to bomb Iran for years, that&#8217;s not exactly news.  The idea of Iran becoming a regional hegemon absolutely terrifies them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hools Verne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950417</link>
		<dc:creator>Hools Verne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does that shock you? Saudi Arabia has been in competition with Iran over oil exports and control of the Arab world for most of the 20th century and I&#039;m pretty sure they have pressured the US and BP to mess with Iran&#039;s affairs before, usually with sanctions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does that shock you? Saudi Arabia has been in competition with Iran over oil exports and control of the Arab world for most of the 20th century and I&#8217;m pretty sure they have pressured the US and BP to mess with Iran&#8217;s affairs before, usually with sanctions.</p>
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		<title>By: weeble</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950423</link>
		<dc:creator>weeble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There&#039;s a plan for unifying Korea after the North collapses, and China&#039;s in on it.&quot;

Where does the linked article say this? There&#039;s a mention there of America and South Korea discussing what to do in the event of the collapse of the North, including how they would deal with China, but I see no mention of China being &quot;in on it&quot;. Is this statement sourced from the cables themselves, or is it just a strange interpretation of the linked article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a plan for unifying Korea after the North collapses, and China&#8217;s in on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where does the linked article say this? There&#8217;s a mention there of America and South Korea discussing what to do in the event of the collapse of the North, including how they would deal with China, but I see no mention of China being &#8220;in on it&#8221;. Is this statement sourced from the cables themselves, or is it just a strange interpretation of the linked article?</p>
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		<title>By: gwailo_joe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950425</link>
		<dc:creator>gwailo_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunnis vs. Shiites.  Those guys have been really mad at each other for 1400 years give or take.

For Saudi Arabia it makes sense: &quot;yes America, please bomb our Persian minority schism adversaries so that their oil reserves will never compete with ours.&quot;  &quot;Thanks for the heads up House of Saud, that Ahmadinejad fellow is really quite annoying, maybe we will. . .keep that crude flowing, boys!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunnis vs. Shiites.  Those guys have been really mad at each other for 1400 years give or take.</p>
<p>For Saudi Arabia it makes sense: &#8220;yes America, please bomb our Persian minority schism adversaries so that their oil reserves will never compete with ours.&#8221;  &#8220;Thanks for the heads up House of Saud, that Ahmadinejad fellow is really quite annoying, maybe we will. . .keep that crude flowing, boys!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-982187</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this kind of reassures me: China is down with the Korean unification? Good.

It&#039;s gonna be a mess when it all comes down, it&#039;ll make Germanys&#039; look like the transfer of the Panama canal by comparison. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this kind of reassures me: China is down with the Korean unification? Good.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gonna be a mess when it all comes down, it&#8217;ll make Germanys&#8217; look like the transfer of the Panama canal by comparison. . .</p>
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		<title>By: bzishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950515</link>
		<dc:creator>bzishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This just seems wrong to me. Everyone, even government employees need to have candid outlets that are not made public so that can discuss ideas and observations without the threat of public misunderstanding.
&lt;p&gt;
Yes, ultimate secrecy is not a good thing, but every organization has good reasons for being secretive
&lt;p&gt;
...even Boing Boing&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Can we really be so naÃ¯ve after the Bush invasions? Leaks of a similar magnitude during the buildup might have saved a lot of lives. And it really isn&#039;t fair to compare Boing Boing with a government. Boing Boing has never used force to settle disputes nor can it compel people to follow orders. Reading Boing Boing is optional, following government orders, or paying for the government to kill people is not.
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;These cables, which are obviously illegally obtained, will be taken grossly out of context in some circumstances and people may lose lives because it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Unlikely. None were classified higher than secret. They are likely to embarass the US, but not endanger agents in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This just seems wrong to me. Everyone, even government employees need to have candid outlets that are not made public so that can discuss ideas and observations without the threat of public misunderstanding.</p>
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Yes, ultimate secrecy is not a good thing, but every organization has good reasons for being secretive
</p>
<p>
&#8230;even Boing Boing</p>
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Can we really be so naÃ¯ve after the Bush invasions? Leaks of a similar magnitude during the buildup might have saved a lot of lives. And it really isn&#8217;t fair to compare Boing Boing with a government. Boing Boing has never used force to settle disputes nor can it compel people to follow orders. Reading Boing Boing is optional, following government orders, or paying for the government to kill people is not.
</p>
<blockquote><p>These cables, which are obviously illegally obtained, will be taken grossly out of context in some circumstances and people may lose lives because it.</p></blockquote>
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Unlikely. None were classified higher than secret. They are likely to embarass the US, but not endanger agents in the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Potoman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html#comment-950516</link>
		<dc:creator>Potoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vladlimir Putin &amp; Silvio Berlusconi have some kind of weird bromance going on&quot;. I&#039;m sure Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to be part of the club but they refused him because they don&#039;t accept midgets. Hence his jealousy crisis &amp; the increase of fascism in his homeland security politics, trying to prove he can be worse than them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vladlimir Putin &#038; Silvio Berlusconi have some kind of weird bromance going on&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to be part of the club but they refused him because they don&#8217;t accept midgets. Hence his jealousy crisis &#038; the increase of fascism in his homeland security politics, trying to prove he can be worse than them.</p>
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