Why do you think in some European countries that it is banned. It is a symbol of a woman’s subjugation to men.

When European countries make it illegal for women to take their husbands’ surnames, I’ll believe that they’re concerned about women’s identities being erased. In the interim, you’re apologizing for torture to justify your own xenophobia.

Personally I don’t feel guilty, I feel helpless to stop evils being funded with the taxes of my labors. I protest, I write letters, I vote and still this sh!t keeps happening. How long will it be before I am declared a “terrorist”?

It’s a sign of subjugation.

I think you’re suffering from a fundamental inability to actually see this from their point of view. They are both victims of injustice. They’ve both suffered something horrible that shouldn’t have happened.

He experienced a terrible ordeal. She spent months taking care of those four children alone, not knowing if her husband would ever be coming home, not knowing what horrible thing had happened to him or if he was even alive.

How could you even begin to comfort children about their father’s absence when you have no answers and no comfort for yourself?

Neither of them deserves to have abuse hurled at them by people who know nothing about their personalities or inner lives.

He was picked up in Macedonia, not Spain. The Spanish authories are making noise only because they like to do that sort of thing. The CIA agents who apprehended him are unlikely to be the same ones who allegedly roughed him up at the black site. That was legal and proper under U.S. law. Rendition is still going on now under the Obama administration.

In other words, Spain’s complaints about this matter should be with the U.S. government, not its agents.

El-Masri is not a peaceful guy. Aside from his other troubles in Germany, the Islamic center he went to was shut down a few years ago for inciting hatred. It’s not your garden variety mosque.

I wouldn’t call hijab’s “hate clothes” either but it’s worth noting that not every Muslim woman in Lebanon wants to wear them. Lebanon isn’t Saudi Arabia. It says something that she does wear them.

While we’re on the subject of semantics, and since it’s an issue which will certainly be the next argument raised, “innocent” does not imply “nice,” and “dickbag” does not mean “guilty.”

And no one’s turning the faucet off. Maybe no one’s capable of turning it off.

I´ve seen it a dozen times, it´s tragic. Young women in the prime of their life´s, their identities brutally erased by taking their husband´s surname. It´s like they never existed.

Or, you could be kidding. I can´t tell.

In googling this, I see some countries have banned burqas and niqabs, the full-face veils that leave only a slit for the eyes, I don’t see any reference to a country that has banned the hajib.

Your comment, as odd as it was, did get me to learn stuff, which always a good thing, even if what I learned wasn’t anything that would endorse your point.

Interesting story about the Politics of Womens Head Coverings.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1908306,00.html

The above poster with the hijab == slave clothes and thus justifies the torture of people, nice bit of thinking. Should draw some breast implants == justification for rape logic next.

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She’s wearing a Hijab (head-scarve). It’s not banned anywhere in Europe (although there are restrictions regarding work wear in some cases), else they could start fining old ladies in general, who love head-scarves, being Muslim, Christian or atheist. What’s banned in some countries like France is the Burqua and/or the Niqāb (a Burqua, but you see the eyes).

Nobody is anti-American, nobody would change the American Dream for a Chinese one! In fact, our grandparents died after the WW2 looking in the sky for the US Air Force to come and help Eastern Europe to escape from the Soviet slavery just like they did it in Western Europe. They never came.

As I said: there’s not anti-Americanism. But the way the Washington authorities are sometimes acting is hurting around.

PS: Thunderhammer, good point!

Peace,
Cristian

In a larger sense, I don’t even technically disagree with you on your point about subjugation, but that point is so far beyond the point and you miss the point so amazingly that I stagger in disbelief.
You actually seem to have a sort of twisted “eye-for-an-eye” thing going on in your head regarding this situation, which fails on at least two levels:

First Level- This isn’t *even* eye-for-an-eye, even if the only differentiating circumstance you manage to factor in is how what the CIA did to Khaled El-Masri *affected his family as well* – wife included.

Second Level- “eye-for-an-eye” is stupid in the first place!

Or is it some sort of faith in some “Karma” idea or what?

If I’m reading your statement correctly, and I hope I’m not, it seems as though you’re basically expressing a sentiment of “If women continue to suffer and be subjugated in Muslim societies, then it’s just as well that the whole world is potentially targeted to be plunged into CIA rape prisons!”
If you just *stop* and think about it for more than even a split-second, the problem here – regardless of how you personally feel about this particular guy for whatever reason – is that if they can do it to this guy, they can pretty much do it to anyone. I don’t see a way to make italics here, so I’ll just copy and paste it again:

The problem here is that if they can do it to this guy, they can pretty much do it to anyone!

Hopefully the exclamation point added the second time helps it sink in better.

Holy crap.

“…not every Muslim woman in Lebanon wants to wear them. Lebanon isn’t Saudi Arabia.”

Vive la difference!

http://bellydance-adventures.com/belly-dance-lebanese-style/

Because I tell you one thing. If you don’t start taking action against YOUR Government and bringing the truth to the fore, you will be dragged down with them.

You’ll have too many enemies and it’ll only take one of them to nuke the shit out of the U.S. Now I don’t want that because i know that the majority of Americans are good folk but if you keep going like you have and the truth gets out with no recognisable action from your citizens, its just a matter of time.

Stand up for America and stand up for the values that I know you hold.

It’s a cliche, but we’re at a fork in the road, and the lights about to turn green. What are you going to do?