Comments on: Wikileaks cables reveal that the US wrote Spain's proposed copyright law http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Arystor http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-958209 Arystor Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-958209 We like to think that the fact of having a dictator, we have advanced and become more democratic and progressive, but no. Politicians are the same people from one side than another. The only thing that changes is the logo. The case "cablegate" has shown us that we are all complacent about any government that has a high international profile. We like to think that the fact of having a dictator, we have advanced and become more democratic and progressive, but no. Politicians are the same people from one side than another. The only thing that changes is the logo.

The case “cablegate” has shown us that we are all complacent about any government that has a high international profile.

]]> By: ericmartinex1 http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956675 ericmartinex1 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956675 Here is a more elegant explanation on why the US - despite being a nation overrun by morbidly obese idiots - "rules/bullies/enslaves the world": "The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets." http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/gates-on-leaks-wiki-and-otherwise/ Here is a more elegant explanation on why the US – despite being a nation overrun by morbidly obese idiots – “rules/bullies/enslaves the world”:

“The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/gates-on-leaks-wiki-and-otherwise/

]]> By: rivkin http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956431 rivkin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956431 There's something wrong with this sentence: "The big question has been: will El Pais, the Spanish newspaper that's has the complete trove of Wikileaks cables? " There’s something wrong with this sentence:

“The big question has been: will El Pais, the Spanish newspaper that’s has the complete trove of Wikileaks cables? “

]]> By: PaulR http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956437 PaulR Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956437 - I'll take "I Bury 'Ya" for $400, Alex! - The answer is: Spain's Congress - "What Government has a Profound Hatred for Democracy"? - That's Right! - I’ll take “I Bury ‘Ya” for $400, Alex!

- The answer is: Spain’s Congress

- “What Government has a Profound Hatred for Democracy”?

- That’s Right!

]]> By: gnosis http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956438 gnosis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956438 I believe it should read: "Will El Pais, the Spanish newspaper that accidentally the whole trove of Wikileaks cables?" I believe it should read: “Will El Pais, the Spanish newspaper that accidentally the whole trove of Wikileaks cables?”

]]> By: bombjack http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956440 bombjack Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956440 A simple question: Is it okay to influence secretly the legislative process in other states? Yes or No? If yes is it then okay that other states have the same right to do the same with the legislative process in the USA? bombjack A simple question:

Is it okay to influence secretly the legislative process in other states?

Yes or No?

If yes is it then okay that other states have the same right to do the same with the legislative process in the USA?

bombjack

]]> By: TenInchesTaller http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956444 TenInchesTaller Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956444 oh jeeze. oh jeeze.

]]> By: DarthVain http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-958495 DarthVain Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-958495 The US has been trying to write the Canadian Copyright laws for years. The only difference here is that Canadians have some inkling about it, and that the opposition parties are so partisan they are actually accidentally doing an OK job of preventing it. That said, the same copyright laws try to get passed every year it seems and shot down, I think the Conservatives must be thinking that it will eventually get through when no one is looking if they try it often enough. I only hope there is some damning cables in there detailing the US writing the damn thing, as at least then it would ignite enough vitriol to finally kill the proposed copyright law for good. I think it is interesting that the NDP are the only real party in Canada that opposes the copyright law time and time again, and they are also likely the party that contains the most artists (authors, musicians, actors, etc...) as actual supporters. I say let the NDP write the new Copyright law and see what they come up with. Might actually be fair and balanced for a change... The US has been trying to write the Canadian Copyright laws for years. The only difference here is that Canadians have some inkling about it, and that the opposition parties are so partisan they are actually accidentally doing an OK job of preventing it.

That said, the same copyright laws try to get passed every year it seems and shot down, I think the Conservatives must be thinking that it will eventually get through when no one is looking if they try it often enough.

I only hope there is some damning cables in there detailing the US writing the damn thing, as at least then it would ignite enough vitriol to finally kill the proposed copyright law for good.

I think it is interesting that the NDP are the only real party in Canada that opposes the copyright law time and time again, and they are also likely the party that contains the most artists (authors, musicians, actors, etc…) as actual supporters.

I say let the NDP write the new Copyright law and see what they come up with. Might actually be fair and balanced for a change…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-957220 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-957220 I think the Spanish public are really distracted by the Air Controllers Strike to pay notice to this news. I think the Government here will try to keep that in the news instead of this... at least until its passed into law! Please share this with as many people as possible, I know I will! Aussie living in Spain I think the Spanish public are really distracted by the Air Controllers Strike to pay notice to this news. I think the Government here will try to keep that in the news instead of this… at least until its passed into law!

Please share this with as many people as possible, I know I will!

Aussie living in Spain

]]> By: george57l http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956468 george57l Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956468 The US has a legislative PROCESS? I thought it was just like a shopping mall for big business. The US has a legislative PROCESS?

I thought it was just like a shopping mall for big business.

]]> By: wygit http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956469 wygit Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956469 I like it. Yes, I do believe that *IS* the question. I like it. Yes, I do believe that *IS* the question.

]]> By: ericmartinex1 http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956988 ericmartinex1 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956988 "Expenses and salary earnings for paid WikiLeaks staff will be revealed for the first time in a report expected to be published by the end of this year" That says not published yet. If the discretionary/misc spending row is 80% of the funds committed, that would indicate an honest budget report at least and I would shut up about this. Still does not address the point about the conspiracy theorists and reconciling mutually contradictory information. Cognitive dissonance hurts for those anywhere on the political spectrum. “Expenses and salary earnings for paid WikiLeaks staff will be revealed for the first time in a report expected to be published by the end of this year”

That says not published yet.

If the discretionary/misc spending row is 80% of the funds committed, that would indicate an honest budget report at least and I would shut up about this.

Still does not address the point about the conspiracy theorists and reconciling mutually contradictory information. Cognitive dissonance hurts for those anywhere on the political spectrum.

]]> By: ericmartinex1 http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956998 ericmartinex1 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956998 I see much posting of CNN and Time articles as sources for justification and defense regarding Julian et al. I thought CNN and Time are the epitome of the dumbed down, right wing MSM and in collusion with evil Amerikkkan world domination. Yet the MSM's siren call of readily available information lured even the most media savvy to reference as a factual source. Are CNN and Time valid sources of news or only when they agree with person X's worldview? I see much posting of CNN and Time articles as sources for justification and defense regarding Julian et al.

I thought CNN and Time are the epitome of the dumbed down, right wing MSM and in collusion with evil Amerikkkan world domination.

Yet the MSM’s siren call of readily available information lured even the most media savvy to reference as a factual source.

Are CNN and Time valid sources of news or only when they agree with person X’s worldview?

]]> By: junjan http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-957511 junjan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-957511 I would say that your article is somehow wrong. It is not that USA writes the Spanish law, it is that "the MPAA and associates write the American and Spanish laws"; a more appropiate description. I would say that your article is somehow wrong. It is not that USA writes the Spanish law, it is that “the MPAA and associates write the American and Spanish laws”; a more appropiate description.

]]> By: Oscar Falcon Lara http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956496 Oscar Falcon Lara Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956496 I sincerely hope they vote against it... truly hope they do. I sincerely hope they vote against it… truly hope they do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956756 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956756 Spain's military took control of the nation's airspace Friday night after air traffic controllers staged a massive sickout against the austerity measures http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-12-03-spain-airport-closures_N.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29 Spain’s military took control of the nation’s airspace Friday night after air traffic controllers staged a massive sickout against the austerity measures

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-12-03-spain-airport-closures_N.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956501 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956501 <blockquote>The big question has been: will El Pais, the Spanish newspaper that has the complete trove of Wikileaks cables release them in time to effect the vote on the new law?</blockquote> ...or maybe even affect the vote.

The big question has been: will El Pais, the Spanish newspaper that has the complete trove of Wikileaks cables release them in time to effect the vote on the new law?

…or maybe even affect the vote.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-961377 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-961377 Here is a translation to english of the above Wiki Cable: The Americans give priority to the issue is reflected in the level of selected partners. The Deputy Prime Minister Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega is one of the first targets. An aggregate of the Embassy discusses the issue with her on February 22, 2005. 27536 cable, prepared by adding the day after the conversation with de la Vega, closes thus: 'Given the number of stars in the entertainment industry with an open preference for the socialist government (it is significant, for example, Zapatero attended the Spanish equivalent of the Oscars), it is possible that this government is particularly sensitive to do something in this sector. We will need a year or so to see if this sensitivity translates into results. " On November 10, 2005, Ambassador meets with Minister of Culture Carmen Calvo: 45 583 in the cable, the ambassador concluded that the Spanish government there are good intentions, but no results. The tone is maintained. The powerful Motion Picture Association, which represents the Hollywood majors, from the U.S. press. Spanish local industry also complained of permissiveness with downloads, especially music. In 2007, there was a turning point: 28 December, the U.S. delegation in Madrid issued a cable (135 868) containing a detailed plan. Subject: strategy for intellectual property rights in Spain. The office displays a detailed plan for the short, medium and long plagued with political appointments, with middle managers from the Ministries of Culture and Industry, meetings with telecom operators, visits to Spain by U.S. experts ... and anticipated, and the measure to be taken in the medium term: to put Spain on the blacklist. Here is a translation to english of the above Wiki Cable:
The Americans give priority to the issue is reflected in the level of selected partners. The Deputy Prime Minister Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega is one of the first targets. An aggregate of the Embassy discusses the issue with her on February 22, 2005. 27536 cable, prepared by adding the day after the conversation with de la Vega, closes thus: ‘Given the number of stars in the entertainment industry with an open preference for the socialist government (it is significant, for example, Zapatero attended the Spanish equivalent of the Oscars), it is possible that this government is particularly sensitive to do something in this sector. We will need a year or so to see if this sensitivity translates into results. ”

On November 10, 2005, Ambassador meets with Minister of Culture Carmen Calvo: 45 583 in the cable, the ambassador concluded that the Spanish government there are good intentions, but no results.

The tone is maintained. The powerful Motion Picture Association, which represents the Hollywood majors, from the U.S. press. Spanish local industry also complained of permissiveness with downloads, especially music. In 2007, there was a turning point: 28 December, the U.S. delegation in Madrid issued a cable (135 868) containing a detailed plan. Subject: strategy for intellectual property rights in Spain. The office displays a detailed plan for the short, medium and long plagued with political appointments, with middle managers from the Ministries of Culture and Industry, meetings with telecom operators, visits to Spain by U.S. experts … and anticipated, and the measure to be taken in the medium term: to put Spain on the blacklist.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-957283 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-957283 There's a fine line between cynicism and ignorance. I didn't see anyone mentioning Amerikkan lard-asses as being the ones to blame in particular for this. see comment #13 by Afterthought: [blockquote] The US wrote it? We are a Conquered Province. The same people who rule Spain rule us.[/blockquote] There’s a fine line between cynicism and ignorance.

I didn’t see anyone mentioning Amerikkan lard-asses as being the ones to blame in particular for this.

see comment #13 by Afterthought:

[blockquote]
The US wrote it?

We are a Conquered Province.

The same people who rule Spain rule us.[/blockquote]

]]> By: saru http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956518 saru Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956518 Caught a typo/mistake: "Wikileaks cables release them in time to effect the vote on the new law? " Since releasing the cables on time would not be bringing the vote into existence, "effect" Should be "affect". (Or it could be "have an effect on".) Caught a typo/mistake: “Wikileaks cables release them in time to effect the vote on the new law? ”
Since releasing the cables on time would not be bringing the vote into existence, “effect” Should be “affect”. (Or it could be “have an effect on”.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-957287 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-957287 Oh, the US also pretty much wrote most nations' drug laws a while back. Millions served! They get more popular by the day as we get to know them, but the thought that maybe they're preferable to China dampens most people's indignation. Oh, the US also pretty much wrote most nations’ drug laws a while back. Millions served!

They get more popular by the day as we get to know them, but the thought that maybe they’re preferable to China dampens most people’s indignation.

]]> By: AsteriskCGY http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956521 AsteriskCGY Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956521 Come now, do we have to assume everything is trying to be a puppet state? Come now, do we have to assume everything is trying to be a puppet state?

]]> By: mausium http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956524 mausium Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956524 "If yes is it then okay that other states have the same right to do the same with the legislative process in the USA?" Of course they believe this. Money is speech, and I assume they'll defend the constitutional value of *receiving* speech. Straight into their pockets. “If yes is it then okay that other states have the same right to do the same with the legislative process in the USA?”

Of course they believe this. Money is speech, and I assume they’ll defend the constitutional value of *receiving* speech. Straight into their pockets.

]]> By: Afterthought http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956567 Afterthought Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956567 The US wrote it? We are a Conquered Province. The same people who rule Spain rule us. The US wrote it?

We are a Conquered Province.

The same people who rule Spain rule us.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956569 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956569 España, a despertarse! Esta es una oportunidad enorme para demostrar el poder de la informacion y su relacion con la libertad de los pueblos. A no agachar la cabeza, que este es un momento único en la historia. Saludos y fuerza desde Argentina! España, a despertarse! Esta es una oportunidad enorme para demostrar el poder de la informacion y su relacion con la libertad de los pueblos.
A no agachar la cabeza, que este es un momento único en la historia. Saludos y fuerza desde Argentina!

]]> By: imag http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956583 imag Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956583 I hope the Spaniards force their politicians to put this "legislation" where the sun doesn't shine. Thank the FSM that El Pais is releasing these. I thought they might stifle them... I hope the Spaniards force their politicians to put this “legislation” where the sun doesn’t shine.

Thank the FSM that El Pais is releasing these. I thought they might stifle them…

]]> By: VICTOR JIMENEZ http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956587 VICTOR JIMENEZ Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956587 As a spanish i am deeply upset. The opposition(Partido Popular, the main right wing party) sells that they are the saviours of the internet and freedom rights when they are in bed with the goverment and the SGAE (spanish RIAA). As a spanish i am deeply upset. The opposition(Partido Popular, the main right wing party) sells that they are the saviours of the internet and freedom rights when they are in bed with the goverment and the SGAE (spanish RIAA).

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956847 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956847 When the US finally goes bankrupt, as it inevitably will once the Tea Party Congress has its way, and we're broker than Spain is now, it'll be interesting to see who does the kow-towing then, and how much. When the US finally goes bankrupt, as it inevitably will once the Tea Party Congress has its way, and we’re broker than Spain is now, it’ll be interesting to see who does the kow-towing then, and how much.

]]> By: haggidubious http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-956592 haggidubious Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-956592 Ah, act like a puppet state. It is one, isn't it? Along with the rest of us? Ah, act like a puppet state. It is one, isn’t it? Along with the rest of us?

]]> By: The Mudshark http://boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html#comment-958131 The Mudshark Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-958131 Can I just say that Wikileaks gives me immense satisfaction? Can I just say that Wikileaks gives me immense satisfaction?

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