Julian Assange demonstration today in London 1330h Westminster Magistrate's Court

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52 Responses to “Julian Assange demonstration today in London 1330h Westminster Magistrate's Court”

  1. Anonymous says:

    The big guys who are trying to shut him down should do some analysis on “the law of unintended consequences”

  2. Posthuman says:

    Birdseed,

    Assange did not commit a crime of rape and is not an accused rapist.

    He is charged of sexual misconduct for having a consensual sex, without a condom, which in Sweden is a punishable crime.

    But, with his Wikileaks background and the whole legal mess: first, the charges are dismissed, then Cablegate happens, the prosecutor calles him in, he volunteers to come in, and finally she rejects him and instead issues an international arrest warrant – isn’t it a strange judicial case?

    THAT is the problem.

  3. Ugly Canuck says:

    Sorry about that, here’s a link to the article cited by the previous article I linked to:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn12032010.html

    Assange claims to be innocent of these charges: but what of George W(aterboarding) Bush?

    • Matt J says:

      Yes he’s innocent until proven guilty. But if Sweden wants to try and prosecute him for rape then they have every right to. They probably won’t succeed, but there’s no reason they shouldn’t try him if they believe they have sufficient evidence. What does George Bush’s innocence or guilt have to do with Julien Assange?

  4. Anonymous says:

    If Americans are really that justice loving creatures then go get Bin-laden not this journalist who done nothing wrong but bringing truth to light…

  5. Anonymous says:

    God save an independent judiciary.

  6. Ceramic says:

    Rape is a serious crime! I think it’s fantastic that the Swedish authorities are putting interpol arrest warrants on ALL suspected rapists!

    Oh… wait a second, they are after just ONE suspect.

  7. zog says:

    here’s one perspective on it:

    http://takimag.com/article/julian_assanges_honey_trap_thats_rape_in_sweden/print

    seem interesting that the accusers have been attempting to delete their public comments after the alleged events?

  8. Lobster says:

    Let’s review some facts.

    1) The charges against Assange are highly suspicious.
    2) How much we may or may not like the guy is not admissible evidence.
    3) This is not about Assange, it’s about WikiLeaks.
    4) There have been leaks before WikiLeaks and there will continue to be leaks after.

    If Assange’s group is really serious about this they should let him go to trial and that’ll play out as it will. Meanwhile the other members shut WikiLeaks down and open up a new site next door doing exactly the same thing. Force the governments of the world to do all their legwork all over again.

    If this was about truth, Assange wouldn’t matter.

  9. GrymRpr says:

    Why hasn’t this been given more play:

    Arrest Warrant for “Sex Crimes” Against Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange Is for “Sex Without a Condom”, NOT Non-Consensual Rape Using Force
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/12/sex-charges-and-arrest-warrant-against.html

    “A Swedish lawyer representing two women whose allegations triggered a sexual-misconduct investigation of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has given [Newsweek column] Declassified the first on-the-record confirmation of the allegations that led to the issuance—and then rapid cancellation—of a warrant on a rape charge and to a parallel investigation into alleged “molestation.” Claes Borgstrom of the Stockholm law firm Borgstrom and Bostrom, who is representing two women who said they had sexual relationships with Assange, said his clients complained to the police of Assange’s reluctance to use condoms and unwillingness to be tested for sexually transmitted disease.”

    So… They had consensual sex. But the women had issues when he didn’t use a condom so, they reported him even tho they still had sex with him?

    WTF

  10. El Verde says:

    Am I the only one wondering why they didn’t hold the protest at 13:37?

  11. imag says:

    Actually, this is quite different from the Polanski case.

    First, Polanski was not engaged in an information war with the US. Aside from his slightly snarky recent film, he was not looked at as a public enemy, merely a rapist. There was no widespread political motivation to convict him.

    Second, the number one thing the people implicated in the Wikileaks cables are likely to do is try to discredit their accuser. The best way to do that is with a sexual charge. Rape charges make for a perfect character assassination technique. They have done it before.

    Third, no one has argued that Polanski didn’t rape the girl. They just argued that he shouldn’t be extradited for it. In Assange’s case, there are a number of reasons to suspect the motivations of the girls: http://rixstep.com/1/20101001,01.shtml

    Fourth, drugging and rape of a 13 year-old girl is a bit different than consensual sex with adult women.

    For the record, I think Polanski should have been put in jail for rape of that girl. This case is not remotely the same, and it is an injustice to all parties to casually equate them.

    • Ugly Canuck says:

      “This case is not remotely the same, and it is an injustice to all parties to casually equate them.”

      On that point we are in full agreement.

  12. imag says:

    One other thing. There is a legitimate concern in this case that allowing an extradite to Sweden will mean handing him directly to the US government. The USAG has said this is their goal. That’s another reason for people to have an issue.

    The US is, unfortunately, not a place where a fair trial can happen in this case. Congresspeople are calling for him to be killed, or tried under laws that don’t make sense. Other congressmembers, with ties weapons manufacturers, are calling for new legislation to outlaw what Wikileaks is doing. The government has put pressure on companies to stop serving Wikileaks, citing “illegal” behavior that has not been proved in any court. This is what our country has become, and this is not where we can expect a fair trial to take place.

    • Matt J says:

      How could his extradition to Sweden possibly lead to his extradition to the US? He’s not been charged with anything in the US, and anything he could be charged with would seem to carry the death penalty as a possible sentence, making his extradition illegal under European and Swedish law.

  13. TEKNA2007 says:

    I was thinking, by analogy with the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Meanwhile, the hunted one isn’t even in-country any more.

  14. Ceramic says:

    Well I hope Julian hands himself in soon… We have all seen how far the USA will go to find a person they want dead.

    I for one welcome our new overlords.

    • TEKNA2007 says:

      We have all seen how far the USA will go to find a person they want dead.

      I guess that means the U.S. is about to begin a decade-long occupation of Australia while invading Micronesia on trumped-up evidence.

  15. kattw says:

    Actually, this does remind me a lot of the Polanski case, but in reverse. Here you’ve got people coming out from all over defending him, assuming he’s not guilty merely because he’s a jerk with a big website publishing secret documents. With Polanski, some of Hollywood stood behind him, but had to immediately retreat when it turned out most people were interested in seeing rapists punished, even if they happened to be Hollywood hotshots.

    Now, admittedly, Polanski was known to be guilty, and Assange is only accused, but still, it seems like the treatment of Assange is a bit silly. I mean, he’s GETTING justice, as an earlier poster suggested. He’s accused of a crime. He’ll get a trial, and if innocent will hopefully be able to show that. Simply letting him off the hook because he SAYS that the trial is only due to his other arguably illegal actions seems like exactly the opposite of justice.

  16. Anonymous says:

    if the wikileaks cables have shown us anything it is that the governments and their intelligence agencies will do whatever they deem needed to further their agendas, regardless of whether it is legal, moral or ethical..I support this guy and his efforts to the hilt and hope if he is in fact incarcerated for whatever the us military industrial complex wantes to do him for, that people around the world pick up the wikileaks torch and continue to create sites and mirror sites and in fact that julian becomes a martyr for their cause

  17. Anonymous says:

    I cannot believe I even have to say this, but:

    1) Secretly not using a condom when your partner has only consented to sex with a condom is rape.

    2) Not stopping when your partner says stop after a condom has broken is rape.

    Assange is innocent until proven guilty. His accusers are telling the truth until proven otherwise. Believe what you want about the man, but it frightens me to the core that people can read what he is accused of and think that those are situations of consensual sex.

    • macguffin says:

      Yes, THANK YOU. I’m astonished at how many people don’t get this. You can support WikiLeaks, sure, but there’s no need to be immediately suspicious of the women who accused him. This is such a liberal blog, too, so it’s always upsetting to see comments like some of the ones in this post.

      (This also happened in the pubic hair thread awhile ago, when someone claimed that he always made women shave off all their hair before sleeping with him, but this is worse.)

  18. Anonymous says:

    It would make more sense to demand justice for Bradley Manning since he is a true hero of the people.

  19. Birdseed says:

    Justice is precisely the process he’s being put through, right? Accused rapist, gets a chance to clear his name. What’s the problem?

    • Anonymous says:

      The problem is that the charges were fabricated by the government.
      The women dropped the charges but the government decided to reopen to case anyway.

    • Cowicide says:

      Well, one problem I can think of is that at least one of his accusers has ties to the CIA.

    • Dynastica says:

      Yeah, I agree. Given that the judicial process is transparent and verifiable, it would be good for Wikileaks if the matter is resolved no matter the outcome. It is a problem that the calls for support for Wikileaks have intertwined with support for Assange in his sexual assault case. Even if it is a huge conspiracy, these his personal matters should be kept separated from the activities of Wikileaks.

    • starfish and coffee says:

      +1

    • Ugly Canuck says:

      Rather the reverse: Innocence is presumed untikl guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
      The ACCUSERS are getting the chance TO PROVE THEIR CASE.

      Assange need only stand in silence: he bears no burden of proving anything whatsoever in connection to these allegations…which is what they remain, mere allegations…of misconduct – not violent crime.

      Wikileaks itself goes on, and as ever are worthy of suspicion, and of our attention, too.

      The specific editing of the cables by Wkileaks and their “partners” is what interests me most…

      http://www.privetbank.com.ua/cablegate/index.html

      Thanx as ever to Cryptome for the link!

      http://www.cryptome.org/

  20. Anonymous says:

    Does this mean it’s time to drop some “poison pills”?

  21. mdotstrange says:

    He’s just got the wrong friends…if he was friends with Hollywood he could drug and rape a child and walk around free for years and years like Polanski…

    Be friends with the film industry= rape a child and walk around free for a LONG time

    Not being friends= have consensual sex with an adult and an international manhunt is set in action for you immediately because a condom broke?!…makes a ton of sense in an insane world.

    Oh wait he’s made some enemies as well…maybe that has something to do with this brand of “justice” that’s chasing him around ^ ^

    • Matt J says:

      Well there’s a disagreement in facts. His accusers believe that not everything he did was consensual. They want to prove that in court. I think it unlikely he’ll be convicted, but their right to justice shouldn’t be infringed just because Julien Assange is a high profile figure.

    • Ugly Canuck says:

      Oh yeah everyone agrees that American laws are always eht best, and the judges are never corrupt:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11921048

      Wasn’t the Ghost Writer based on Tony Blair and his partcipation in US torture?

  22. TalkyMeat says:

    @Birdseed #1 Well, yes, and if he’s innocent, that presumably was his reasoning behind turning himself in. But given the number of very powerful people he’s pissed off, it’s reasonable to be concerned that he might not actually get justice, so presumably the message behind the protest is not “we all think Assange is innocent, let him go”, but “we will be watching very very closely, so no monkey business!”

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