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	<title>Comments on: 2600 Magazine condemns DDoS attacks against Wikileaks&#160;censors</title>
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		<title>By: Rob T Firefly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964870</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob T Firefly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now I&#039;d love to know what 2600 is doing in regards to fighting for freedom of information.&quot;

I think you&#039;ll find some of the answers to that question in the final paragraph of the press release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now I&#8217;d love to know what 2600 is doing in regards to fighting for freedom of information.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find some of the answers to that question in the final paragraph of the press release.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964615</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, how did &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; taking action ever bring about any change for the better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, how did <em>not</em> taking action ever bring about any change for the better?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964624</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s put the 2600 statement in context, shall we?  Adrian Lamo works at 2600 magazine.  Yes, that Adrian Lamo.  The hacker who turned Bradley Manning, purportedly Wikileaks&#039; source, over to the authorities through his involvement with Project Vigilant.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s surprising that they would condemn attacks in support of Wikileaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s put the 2600 statement in context, shall we?  Adrian Lamo works at 2600 magazine.  Yes, that Adrian Lamo.  The hacker who turned Bradley Manning, purportedly Wikileaks&#8217; source, over to the authorities through his involvement with Project Vigilant.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s surprising that they would condemn attacks in support of Wikileaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964378</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s early for me, I apologize for an off topic post that&#039;s not well thought out. That said, if money is speech... A bizarre twist of logic that has been used successfully to defend against regulating political campaign and other advertisements in the US for years, then payment processors cutting off our ability to financially support wikileaks is, in a non-trivial way, a way to censor us. We can&#039;t use our money to express ourselves, we can&#039;t spend it on speech through an organization we may wish to support. We can&#039;t peacefully organize in the way we wish.

If I&#039;m right in my assumption that this is an anti-terrorism gameplan being played out, it means that anti-terrorism just got used to shut someone up. That someone wasn&#039;t Wikileaks, that someone is us... We just got censored.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s early for me, I apologize for an off topic post that&#8217;s not well thought out. That said, if money is speech&#8230; A bizarre twist of logic that has been used successfully to defend against regulating political campaign and other advertisements in the US for years, then payment processors cutting off our ability to financially support wikileaks is, in a non-trivial way, a way to censor us. We can&#8217;t use our money to express ourselves, we can&#8217;t spend it on speech through an organization we may wish to support. We can&#8217;t peacefully organize in the way we wish.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m right in my assumption that this is an anti-terrorism gameplan being played out, it means that anti-terrorism just got used to shut someone up. That someone wasn&#8217;t Wikileaks, that someone is us&#8230; We just got censored.  </p>
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		<title>By: Stooge</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964379</link>
		<dc:creator>Stooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(Mainstream media is already spinning it as &quot;hackers supporting Wikileaks,&quot; and even making them sound like they represent Wikileaks.)

Also, the DDoS attacks are being perpetuated against those that folded against the US government, not the US government itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, characterising Anonymous&#039; Operation Avenge Assange as &quot;hackers supporting Wikileaks&quot; is a ludicrous distortion of the facts, whereas maintaining that the US government is behind everything that doesn&#039;t go WikiLeaks&#039; way is one of those self-evident truths that needn&#039;t trouble itself with any evidentiary basis at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(Mainstream media is already spinning it as &#8220;hackers supporting Wikileaks,&#8221; and even making them sound like they represent Wikileaks.)</p>
<p>Also, the DDoS attacks are being perpetuated against those that folded against the US government, not the US government itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, characterising Anonymous&#8217; Operation Avenge Assange as &#8220;hackers supporting Wikileaks&#8221; is a ludicrous distortion of the facts, whereas maintaining that the US government is behind everything that doesn&#8217;t go WikiLeaks&#8217; way is one of those self-evident truths that needn&#8217;t trouble itself with any evidentiary basis at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964384</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hell are the 2600? Sound like a bunch of old obsolete people. The net is ours now, and the only way you can prevent it from being ours is to turn it off altogether.

Anonymous may be a bunch of randoms, but there is a very central cadre that will ensure this disruption continues. We have an agenda, we&#039;re not as fractured as you think we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hell are the 2600? Sound like a bunch of old obsolete people. The net is ours now, and the only way you can prevent it from being ours is to turn it off altogether.</p>
<p>Anonymous may be a bunch of randoms, but there is a very central cadre that will ensure this disruption continues. We have an agenda, we&#8217;re not as fractured as you think we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Unmutual</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964385</link>
		<dc:creator>Unmutual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have trouble formulating what that goal or those goals could even be...and in operation...would such a &quot;crackdown&quot; be some kind of modern scaled-up equivalent of &quot;shut up or we&#039;ll cut out your tongue&quot;?&lt;/i&gt;

No, not really what I had in mind. More like this:

http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/net_neutrality_loses_whatif.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have trouble formulating what that goal or those goals could even be&#8230;and in operation&#8230;would such a &#8220;crackdown&#8221; be some kind of modern scaled-up equivalent of &#8220;shut up or we&#8217;ll cut out your tongue&#8221;?</i></p>
<p>No, not really what I had in mind. More like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/net_neutrality_loses_whatif.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/net_neutrality_loses_whatif.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964645</link>
		<dc:creator>mkultra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not sex without a condom he&#039;s being accused of, it&#039;s sex after withdrawal of consent. That&#039;s another name for rape. Feel free to educate yourself: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/12/06/some-thoughts-on-sex-by-surprise/

Pardon me if I don&#039;t give a shit what either Glen Beck or Whoopie Goldberg have to say.

I&#039;m not claiming that great harm has been done by the wikileaks release. If you had actually bothered to read my post, you would note that I&#039;m agnostic on the subject. I don&#039;t claim knowledge where I have none. What I said is that I don&#039;t trust someone with such an obvious and extreme lack of judgement to make decisions that are in my best interest, the best interests of my country, or the best interests of the world, in that order.

Reddit participated? Well, at least Reddit as a community has some redeeming characteristics, which you can&#039;t say about 4chan. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not sex without a condom he&#8217;s being accused of, it&#8217;s sex after withdrawal of consent. That&#8217;s another name for rape. Feel free to educate yourself: <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/12/06/some-thoughts-on-sex-by-surprise/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/12/06/some-thoughts-on-sex-by-surprise/</a></p>
<p>Pardon me if I don&#8217;t give a shit what either Glen Beck or Whoopie Goldberg have to say.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not claiming that great harm has been done by the wikileaks release. If you had actually bothered to read my post, you would note that I&#8217;m agnostic on the subject. I don&#8217;t claim knowledge where I have none. What I said is that I don&#8217;t trust someone with such an obvious and extreme lack of judgement to make decisions that are in my best interest, the best interests of my country, or the best interests of the world, in that order.</p>
<p>Reddit participated? Well, at least Reddit as a community has some redeeming characteristics, which you can&#8217;t say about 4chan. </p>
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		<title>By: watchout5</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964134</link>
		<dc:creator>watchout5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a poet named Derrik Jenson who has some great words for what this situation calls for. It&#039;s not about, your DDOS is bad, and my not using VISA is good, the real underlining question is &quot;what do we want, and how are we going to get there?&quot;. Arguing over tactics is completely irrelevant if there&#039;s a goal in mind. While I respect 2600&#039;s message, and agree on many points, I think the sudden disruption of service, even if just for a few hours, sparked more news of this story than any information wikileaks has leaked, in our 24 hour news cycle you need to grab the attention of people who don&#039;t get it. I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s good or bad, but what I do know is that these leaks are more important that VISA and MC&#039;s servers, and companies acting like they get to decide what we can and cannot do with our time and money on this earth is the only fight I&#039;m willing to throw all the gloves off for. These companies, acting based on government (or in the bank&#039;s case, Bank of America&#039;s) fear is the worst kind of business decision they can make. I think it&#039;s interesting that the only people associated with this movement are younger, like 16 and younger kind of young. The question we need to be asking ourselves is, &quot;what do these kids know that I don&#039;t?&quot;. As far as non-violent actions go these kids have it right (imagine real riots that kill people over this), and many of them probably haven&#039;t even been alive for as long as 2600&#039;s been around. I get that, in practical terms, it&#039;s way easier to demand internet controls if disrupting VISA and MC can be easily done by any 16 year old with an ax to grind, but I&#039;d sooner take VISA and MC to task for their crimes, for their use of the United States government to help propose law in their own favor, don&#039;t go crying to mommy when you get your hand stuck in the cookie jar. If VISA and MC would have kept their nose out of our government, maybe no one would have cared, but thanks to VISA and MC being total dickwads, we&#039;ll never know if their punishment could have been avoided had they kept to building a better service, rather than trying to rig the game in their favor. They want power trip? Lol @ your servers pal.

What I have a big problem with is that this paints VISA and MC as victims, and while technically true, they&#039;ve done far more harm to humanity by rigging the game than any overworked server. Wrong to try to harm their property? Sure. Am I ever going to lose sleep over it? I&#039;m still waiting for the day when the end scene of fight club comes true. The credit card buildings, along with every one of their servers, destroyed, and not a single person injured. You may say I&#039;m a dreamer, but I&#039;m anonymous (though not on this screen name ha!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a poet named Derrik Jenson who has some great words for what this situation calls for. It&#8217;s not about, your DDOS is bad, and my not using VISA is good, the real underlining question is &#8220;what do we want, and how are we going to get there?&#8221;. Arguing over tactics is completely irrelevant if there&#8217;s a goal in mind. While I respect 2600&#8242;s message, and agree on many points, I think the sudden disruption of service, even if just for a few hours, sparked more news of this story than any information wikileaks has leaked, in our 24 hour news cycle you need to grab the attention of people who don&#8217;t get it. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s good or bad, but what I do know is that these leaks are more important that VISA and MC&#8217;s servers, and companies acting like they get to decide what we can and cannot do with our time and money on this earth is the only fight I&#8217;m willing to throw all the gloves off for. These companies, acting based on government (or in the bank&#8217;s case, Bank of America&#8217;s) fear is the worst kind of business decision they can make. I think it&#8217;s interesting that the only people associated with this movement are younger, like 16 and younger kind of young. The question we need to be asking ourselves is, &#8220;what do these kids know that I don&#8217;t?&#8221;. As far as non-violent actions go these kids have it right (imagine real riots that kill people over this), and many of them probably haven&#8217;t even been alive for as long as 2600&#8242;s been around. I get that, in practical terms, it&#8217;s way easier to demand internet controls if disrupting VISA and MC can be easily done by any 16 year old with an ax to grind, but I&#8217;d sooner take VISA and MC to task for their crimes, for their use of the United States government to help propose law in their own favor, don&#8217;t go crying to mommy when you get your hand stuck in the cookie jar. If VISA and MC would have kept their nose out of our government, maybe no one would have cared, but thanks to VISA and MC being total dickwads, we&#8217;ll never know if their punishment could have been avoided had they kept to building a better service, rather than trying to rig the game in their favor. They want power trip? Lol @ your servers pal.</p>
<p>What I have a big problem with is that this paints VISA and MC as victims, and while technically true, they&#8217;ve done far more harm to humanity by rigging the game than any overworked server. Wrong to try to harm their property? Sure. Am I ever going to lose sleep over it? I&#8217;m still waiting for the day when the end scene of fight club comes true. The credit card buildings, along with every one of their servers, destroyed, and not a single person injured. You may say I&#8217;m a dreamer, but I&#8217;m anonymous (though not on this screen name ha!).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964903</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, just reminding people of what happened, since the Adrian Lamo situation hasn&#039;t been mentioned here in a while and some have short memories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, just reminding people of what happened, since the Adrian Lamo situation hasn&#8217;t been mentioned here in a while and some have short memories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964136</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous is what it is. Besides; who you gonna call?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous is what it is. Besides; who you gonna call?</p>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964649</link>
		<dc:creator>mkultra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, wow. That&#039;s the most wonderfully noble reframing of /b/ I have ever heard in my life. Sorry, a bunch of script kiddies fucking with honest, innocent and hard-working people by DDOSing and making prank calls &quot;for the lulz&quot; is not the new civil rights movement you&#039;re looking for.

Try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, wow. That&#8217;s the most wonderfully noble reframing of /b/ I have ever heard in my life. Sorry, a bunch of script kiddies fucking with honest, innocent and hard-working people by DDOSing and making prank calls &#8220;for the lulz&#8221; is not the new civil rights movement you&#8217;re looking for.</p>
<p>Try again.</p>
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		<title>By: daneyul</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964141</link>
		<dc:creator>daneyul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I recognize that &quot;Anonymous&quot; isn&#039;t an organization or even a group -- it&#039;s a &quot;meme...&quot;

Agreed, and all very well said...but...what do these paragraphs at the end have to do with the (excellent, BTW) 2600 post which doesn&#039;t mention Anonymous at all? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I recognize that &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; isn&#8217;t an organization or even a group &#8212; it&#8217;s a &#8220;meme&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed, and all very well said&#8230;but&#8230;what do these paragraphs at the end have to do with the (excellent, BTW) 2600 post which doesn&#8217;t mention Anonymous at all? </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964142</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>watchout5: very well put. Now I&#039;d love to know what 2600 is doing in regards to fighting for freedom of information. After all, isn&#039;t that the point to the whole hacking hobby? Getting your fingers on information? Why are all you old lazy dicks just talking about what not to do, and do something. You&#039;re just as much of a hacker as these &quot;push button kids&quot; because all you&#039;re doing is sitting on your ass eating chips and bending over. You&#039;re no hacker. You&#039;re a has been and a never will. You only give yourself the title that no one else, ever would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watchout5: very well put. Now I&#8217;d love to know what 2600 is doing in regards to fighting for freedom of information. After all, isn&#8217;t that the point to the whole hacking hobby? Getting your fingers on information? Why are all you old lazy dicks just talking about what not to do, and do something. You&#8217;re just as much of a hacker as these &#8220;push button kids&#8221; because all you&#8217;re doing is sitting on your ass eating chips and bending over. You&#8217;re no hacker. You&#8217;re a has been and a never will. You only give yourself the title that no one else, ever would.</p>
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		<title>By: eigenstates</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964657</link>
		<dc:creator>eigenstates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Well, at least Reddit as a community has some redeeming characteristics, which you can&#039;t say about 4chan.&quot;

That sounds an awful lot like an non-agnostic stance and one that comes from someone that doesn&#039;t understand a whole lot about the totality of 4chan.

Just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Well, at least Reddit as a community has some redeeming characteristics, which you can&#8217;t say about 4chan.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds an awful lot like an non-agnostic stance and one that comes from someone that doesn&#8217;t understand a whole lot about the totality of 4chan.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Powell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964405</link>
		<dc:creator>Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a meaningless semantic argument, to the vast majority of people, the difference between some kid downloading LOIC and pressing a button and some hard core guy in a closet somewhere writing injectable shell code is way way beyond them.  I like 2600, but it does sound like some sour grapes to me...  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a meaningless semantic argument, to the vast majority of people, the difference between some kid downloading LOIC and pressing a button and some hard core guy in a closet somewhere writing injectable shell code is way way beyond them.  I like 2600, but it does sound like some sour grapes to me&#8230;  </p>
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		<title>By: dadagod</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964151</link>
		<dc:creator>dadagod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without absolutely disagreeing with 2600, I do wonder if their stance re:Anonymous would be different 20 years ago. Many a loyal phreaker is now working for the Man in some security or programming-related vein. More than a few have families. 

For those people, the threat of an Internet &#039;war&#039; is unconscionable. 

Anonymous probably deserve their own chance to prove/disprove the merits of their actions -- for example, moving on to &#039;Leakspin&#039; seems like a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without absolutely disagreeing with 2600, I do wonder if their stance re:Anonymous would be different 20 years ago. Many a loyal phreaker is now working for the Man in some security or programming-related vein. More than a few have families. </p>
<p>For those people, the threat of an Internet &#8216;war&#8217; is unconscionable. </p>
<p>Anonymous probably deserve their own chance to prove/disprove the merits of their actions &#8212; for example, moving on to &#8216;Leakspin&#8217; seems like a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: MadRat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964665</link>
		<dc:creator>MadRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can sum it up in three words: Darn script kiddies.  I agree with 2600, incidentally.</description>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey that sums to less than I pay for my Net access today!
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		<title>By: imorgan73</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964156</link>
		<dc:creator>imorgan73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous is the mob and Julian Assange is its excuse to smash windows and hang collaborators from lampposts. What more is there to know?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964925</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW... the 2600 author has apparently spent less time on /b/ than I have, and I&#039;m talking 5-6 hours a year here.
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		<title>By: shark_soup</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964158</link>
		<dc:creator>shark_soup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous is an anarchic group with nothing better to do than waste their own bandwidth for poorly organized &#039;causes&#039; based upon their perceived offender of the moment. The same group (or maybe it&#039;s different, but as you point out, who knows or cares?) that is so ardent about free speech currently is the same one, by name at least, that tried to knock the Church of Scientology offline, and threatened to DDoS the EFF. Freedom of speech/information, or desire to censor those you don&#039;t like? Can&#039;t have your cake and eat it too.

What&#039;s silly about the whole thing is 1) DDoSing these sites doesn&#039;t do anything to their daily operations, and 2) all this will likely result in a chilling effect through additional laws and regulation.

So good job, /b/! Put on that Guy Fawkes mask, nobody can stop you! At least, until they trace your IPs or decide to crack down on this immature behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous is an anarchic group with nothing better to do than waste their own bandwidth for poorly organized &#8217;causes&#8217; based upon their perceived offender of the moment. The same group (or maybe it&#8217;s different, but as you point out, who knows or cares?) that is so ardent about free speech currently is the same one, by name at least, that tried to knock the Church of Scientology offline, and threatened to DDoS the EFF. Freedom of speech/information, or desire to censor those you don&#8217;t like? Can&#8217;t have your cake and eat it too.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s silly about the whole thing is 1) DDoSing these sites doesn&#8217;t do anything to their daily operations, and 2) all this will likely result in a chilling effect through additional laws and regulation.</p>
<p>So good job, /b/! Put on that Guy Fawkes mask, nobody can stop you! At least, until they trace your IPs or decide to crack down on this immature behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Unmutual</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964414</link>
		<dc:creator>Unmutual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know right? What a great deal!</description>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964162</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t that headline read something like &quot;Big Hackerdom Joins with Big Business and Big Government in Opposing Political Action from Little People Who Mean Nothing&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t that headline read something like &#8220;Big Hackerdom Joins with Big Business and Big Government in Opposing Political Action from Little People Who Mean Nothing&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Blindwebster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964418</link>
		<dc:creator>Blindwebster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assange is accused of having sex without a condom, not rape.  There are many fishy circumstances surrounding that charge.  Even Glenn Beck  find the charges suspicious.

All of the recent cables released on wikileaks were first released by papers like the New York Times.  Names were blacked out.  The Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, has said no military contacts or soldiers have been killed due to wikileaks releases.  The government has many levels of secrecy.  These &#039;secret&#039; cables were available to 3 million people, and were mostly an embarrassment.

Assuming you live in the U.S., your government has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the middle east based on lies.  You have everything to do with it.  

Stereotyping anonymous as 4chan only is inaccurate.  There were definitely people from reddit joining in.  I&#039;m sure there were plenty of others as well.  

Whoopi Goldberg, on the view called, the TSA-opt-out-day founders terrorists for disrupting holiday travel and security; seriously, look it up on Youtube.  What you say is almost as ignorant.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assange is accused of having sex without a condom, not rape.  There are many fishy circumstances surrounding that charge.  Even Glenn Beck  find the charges suspicious.</p>
<p>All of the recent cables released on wikileaks were first released by papers like the New York Times.  Names were blacked out.  The Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, has said no military contacts or soldiers have been killed due to wikileaks releases.  The government has many levels of secrecy.  These &#8216;secret&#8217; cables were available to 3 million people, and were mostly an embarrassment.</p>
<p>Assuming you live in the U.S., your government has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the middle east based on lies.  You have everything to do with it.  </p>
<p>Stereotyping anonymous as 4chan only is inaccurate.  There were definitely people from reddit joining in.  I&#8217;m sure there were plenty of others as well.  </p>
<p>Whoopi Goldberg, on the view called, the TSA-opt-out-day founders terrorists for disrupting holiday travel and security; seriously, look it up on Youtube.  What you say is almost as ignorant.   </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964165</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I think this article just touches on is the whole &quot;anonymous is not a group&quot; thing, of which the opposite is true in the media.  However relegating it to a meme I consider write dismissive.

Anonymous is you, me or your technically savvy gran, and it&#039;s the face of social activism on the internet.  By it&#039;s nature, it&#039;s inherently democratic as anons come together to fight a cause they believe to be mostly just.  It gives the average person the chance to affect organizations, large ones in a direct manner, apart from the political process and it&#039;s inherent corruptions and moral pitfalls.  

Visa, amazon, pay pal et al, you have been judged by the internet going people of the world and have been found wanting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I think this article just touches on is the whole &#8220;anonymous is not a group&#8221; thing, of which the opposite is true in the media.  However relegating it to a meme I consider write dismissive.</p>
<p>Anonymous is you, me or your technically savvy gran, and it&#8217;s the face of social activism on the internet.  By it&#8217;s nature, it&#8217;s inherently democratic as anons come together to fight a cause they believe to be mostly just.  It gives the average person the chance to affect organizations, large ones in a direct manner, apart from the political process and it&#8217;s inherent corruptions and moral pitfalls.  </p>
<p>Visa, amazon, pay pal et al, you have been judged by the internet going people of the world and have been found wanting!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you 2600 and Emmanuel Goldstein!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/08/in-pro-wikileaks-act.html#comment-962670&quot;&gt;Iâ€™ve been saying this for days just to get shot down by script-kiddie apologists.&lt;/a&gt;

Canned DDoS attacks is not hacking.  And this work brings 100% no sympathy to the WikiLeaks cause.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

2600 is the only voice of reason in the hacker world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you 2600 and Emmanuel Goldstein!  <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/08/in-pro-wikileaks-act.html#comment-962670">Iâ€™ve been saying this for days just to get shot down by script-kiddie apologists.</a></p>
<p>Canned DDoS attacks is not hacking.  And this work brings 100% no sympathy to the WikiLeaks cause.</p>
<p>THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!</p>
<p>2600 is the only voice of reason in the hacker world.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964429</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;2600: These attacks, in addition to being a misguided effort that doesn&#039;t accomplish very much at all, are incredibly simple to launch and require no technical or hacker skills.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

[cow pets 2600 writer on head]  You&#039;re very skilled with computers and I think youâ€™re very technical.

Now then....  Is this protest a contest to see who has the sharpest computer skills?   How about expert car mechanics? Are they worthy?  I know some highly skilled plumbers too, can they play?

&lt;blockquote&gt;2600: Boycotts of companies that are trying to shut Wikileaks down can be very effective and will not win them any sympathy, as the current attacks on their websites are unfortunately doing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The people that had the critical thinking skills to support wikileaks in the first place; still support them now.  Or is it only you, dear 2600 writer, that has those elite skills as well?

Do they need &lt;i&gt;hacker skills&lt;/i&gt; to participate in protest?  NO.   They need &lt;i&gt;critical thinking skills&lt;/i&gt;, thank you very much.  These attacks are a call to action to the people who still have healthy skepticism and aren&#039;t fully indoctrinated by television and radio.

Itâ€™s not a whimper.  Itâ€™s a stern voice by the public, thatâ€™s says, â€œNO MORE.  You corporatists have stepped over the line.â€  And, the more people support this stern voice, the better.

If you think a boycott is going to penetrate the indoctrinated through the corporatist media firewalls, &lt;a href=â€http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War#Prior_to_the_invasion_of_Iraqâ€&gt;GOOD LUCK&lt;/a&gt; with that, because it hasnâ€™t happened in decades.

The media will hardly cover the boycott and itâ€™ll die with a whimper if it&#039;s not propagated by the mainstream media.  The attack is covered by the mainstream media because it makes them money.  It draws interest and advertising.  A boycott will help, but will &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; work alone at this point... itâ€™s too quiet, my friend.  You absolutely have to use the corporatist media in ways where it&#039;s weak and it&#039;s only weakness is greed.  They will cover the actions only if it&#039;s interesting to the general public and it makes them.... MONEY.

Are you trying to tell me there would be this much interest if there had only been a small boycott right now?  C&#039;mon... I thought you had elite critical thinking skills.

The boycott needs to get HUGE.  These attacks will have made that possible, nothing else could get through the mainstream media corporatist firewall.

&lt;i&gt;Meanwhile&lt;/i&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://topics.npr.org/article/0emDeTZ2GZaZr&quot;&gt;WikiLeaks grows stronger as supporters fight back&lt;/a&gt;

I respect 2600 magazine... but, that 2600 Hz whistle doesnâ€™t work anymore, youâ€™ll just be blowing hot air and nothing else.  Itâ€™s time to realize the dynamics of the day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2600: These attacks, in addition to being a misguided effort that doesn&#8217;t accomplish very much at all, are incredibly simple to launch and require no technical or hacker skills.</p></blockquote>
<p>[cow pets 2600 writer on head]  You&#8217;re very skilled with computers and I think youâ€™re very technical.</p>
<p>Now then&#8230;.  Is this protest a contest to see who has the sharpest computer skills?   How about expert car mechanics? Are they worthy?  I know some highly skilled plumbers too, can they play?</p>
<blockquote><p>2600: Boycotts of companies that are trying to shut Wikileaks down can be very effective and will not win them any sympathy, as the current attacks on their websites are unfortunately doing.</p></blockquote>
<p>The people that had the critical thinking skills to support wikileaks in the first place; still support them now.  Or is it only you, dear 2600 writer, that has those elite skills as well?</p>
<p>Do they need <i>hacker skills</i> to participate in protest?  NO.   They need <i>critical thinking skills</i>, thank you very much.  These attacks are a call to action to the people who still have healthy skepticism and aren&#8217;t fully indoctrinated by television and radio.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s not a whimper.  Itâ€™s a stern voice by the public, thatâ€™s says, â€œNO MORE.  You corporatists have stepped over the line.â€  And, the more people support this stern voice, the better.</p>
<p>If you think a boycott is going to penetrate the indoctrinated through the corporatist media firewalls, <a href=â€http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War#Prior_to_the_invasion_of_Iraqâ€>GOOD LUCK</a> with that, because it hasnâ€™t happened in decades.</p>
<p>The media will hardly cover the boycott and itâ€™ll die with a whimper if it&#8217;s not propagated by the mainstream media.  The attack is covered by the mainstream media because it makes them money.  It draws interest and advertising.  A boycott will help, but will <b>not</b> work alone at this point&#8230; itâ€™s too quiet, my friend.  You absolutely have to use the corporatist media in ways where it&#8217;s weak and it&#8217;s only weakness is greed.  They will cover the actions only if it&#8217;s interesting to the general public and it makes them&#8230;. MONEY.</p>
<p>Are you trying to tell me there would be this much interest if there had only been a small boycott right now?  C&#8217;mon&#8230; I thought you had elite critical thinking skills.</p>
<p>The boycott needs to get HUGE.  These attacks will have made that possible, nothing else could get through the mainstream media corporatist firewall.</p>
<p><i>Meanwhile</i>: <a href="http://topics.npr.org/article/0emDeTZ2GZaZr">WikiLeaks grows stronger as supporters fight back</a></p>
<p>I respect 2600 magazine&#8230; but, that 2600 Hz whistle doesnâ€™t work anymore, youâ€™ll just be blowing hot air and nothing else.  Itâ€™s time to realize the dynamics of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/10/2600-magazine-condem.html#comment-964431</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may help to think of Anonymous not as an entity in itself, but as a means for creating a virtual flash mob. </description>
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		<title>By: eigenstates</title>
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		<dc:creator>eigenstates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;fucking with honest, innocent and hard-working people&quot;

Again, this doesn&#039;t sound a whole lot like an agnostic opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;fucking with honest, innocent and hard-working people&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, this doesn&#8217;t sound a whole lot like an agnostic opinion.</p>
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