Comments on: Wikileaks: Assange bail hearing in UK today, statement from jail http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 08:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: tad604 http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967983 tad604 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967983 I think the better question is for how long has the relationship been the reverse? For how long has the US military been used to protect corporate interests and not so much the people's interests? I think the better question is for how long has the relationship been the reverse? For how long has the US military been used to protect corporate interests and not so much the people’s interests?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-969776 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-969776 <i>I just think it's important to keep in mind that there are two separate stories here.</i> I agree that Assange's situation is complicated and we should try not to over-generalize (i.e. adding why he's in jail in the header is a good call). I think it is extremely naive to think the two stories are separate. For good and ill, they are intertwined. I just think it’s important to keep in mind that there are two separate stories here.

I agree that Assange’s situation is complicated and we should
try not to over-generalize (i.e. adding why he’s in jail in the
header is a good call). I think it is extremely naive to think the
two stories are separate. For good and ill, they are intertwined.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967991 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967991 Alice in Wonderland indeed. Alice in Wonderland indeed.

]]> By: ill lich http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967998 ill lich Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967998 I can see people walking up to her and asking her about the free samples of "assange" she is advertising. "I am interested in the 'free assange' you are offering, is it some kind of spice?" I can see people walking up to her and asking her about the free samples of “assange” she is advertising. “I am interested in the ‘free assange’ you are offering, is it some kind of spice?”

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967754 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967754 Wow, they have way better demonstrators than we do. Wow, they have way better demonstrators than we do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-968020 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-968020 Wikileaks stands for holding a democracy to its own impartial legal system. Anonymous will punish the UK if the legal system does not do as it's told. The logic! It burns! Wikileaks stands for holding a democracy to its own impartial legal system.

Anonymous will punish the UK if the legal system does not do as it’s told.

The logic! It burns!

]]> By: leems http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967769 leems Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967769 Shouldn't you point out that he's not in jail because of Wikileaks (like you're making it seem), but because he's a rape suspect? Shouldn’t you point out that he’s not in jail because of Wikileaks (like you’re making it seem), but because he’s a rape suspect?

]]> By: DeWynken http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967771 DeWynken Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967771 rape=Wikileaks. duh. rape=Wikileaks. duh.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967778 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967778 Meh. This is a brief, short-form post. The reasons for Assange being in jail have been exhaustively covered here on BB by me and others. There is no cover-up or smeary implication at work in this blog post. That said, the post might benefit from adding the phrase "on sex crime charges," so those words have been added. Meh. This is a brief, short-form post. The reasons for Assange being in jail have been exhaustively covered here on BB by me and others. There is no cover-up or smeary implication at work in this blog post. That said, the post might benefit from adding the phrase “on sex crime charges,” so those words have been added.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967782 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967782 Secret grand jury. Do I need to add anything, or does that speak for itself? Hand picked I am sure. Secret grand jury.
Do I need to add anything, or does that speak for itself?
Hand picked I am sure.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967786 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967786 I can see Alexandria from my house! Well, not really, but its only about 30 minutes away. Sadly, if such a jury is there: I don't really know what to do about it. My dreams of flying in on a rope, Robin hood style, and berating said jury until they break into tears will likely remain unfulfilled. I find it suspicious that a sex crimes case would require a secret jury. None of my friends or family members who have been victim of any sort of sexual crime have seemed to get one. But its secret, so how would I know? I can see Alexandria from my house!

Well, not really, but its only about 30 minutes away.

Sadly, if such a jury is there: I don’t really know what to do about it. My dreams of flying in on a rope, Robin hood style, and berating said jury until they break into tears will likely remain unfulfilled.

I find it suspicious that a sex crimes case would require a secret jury.

None of my friends or family members who have been victim of any sort of sexual crime have seemed to get one.

But its secret, so how would I know?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967796 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967796 It seems that the "Visa/Mastercard" comment of Assange's statement has been purged from the Sunshine Coast Daily story as of 1040p pst. They are the original and "world exclusive" source for the quote, are they not? http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2010/12/14/Julian-Assange-wikileaks-first-words-jail-plea/ It seems that the “Visa/Mastercard” comment of Assange’s statement has been purged from the Sunshine Coast Daily story as of 1040p pst. They are the original and “world exclusive” source for the quote, are they not?

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2010/12/14/Julian-Assange-wikileaks-first-words-jail-plea/

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967802 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967802 Following up on previous comment, Mastercard is advertising tonight/tomorrow on the Sunshine Coast Daily Lifestyle homepage. http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/lifestyle/ The customer is always right, perhaps? Following up on previous comment, Mastercard is advertising tonight/tomorrow on the Sunshine Coast Daily Lifestyle homepage.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/lifestyle/

The customer is always right, perhaps?

]]> By: leems http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967803 leems Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967803 The edit is appreciated. Don't mean to come off as snippy, I just think it's important to keep in mind that there are two separate stories here. The edit is appreciated. Don’t mean to come off as snippy, I just think it’s important to keep in mind that there are two separate stories here.

]]> By: Jack http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967805 Jack Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967805 Gwyneth Paltrow looks terrible. Is she sick? Gwyneth Paltrow looks terrible. Is she sick?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967809 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967809 Strange that a south african murder suspect in uk was given bail after less than 24 hours while assange has been kept in for 4 days wanted as a witness to a 'minor' crime. (minor because the swedish prosecutor dropped the original prosecution on the grounds that the charge wasn't serious enough!) Strange that a south african murder suspect in uk was given bail after less than 24 hours while assange has been kept in for 4 days wanted as a witness to a ‘minor’ crime. (minor because the swedish prosecutor dropped the original prosecution on the grounds that the charge wasn’t serious enough!)

]]> By: insert http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967818 insert Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967818 Grand juries, by their nature, are secret. There's no such thing, at least in the USA, of a public grand jury. They simply interpret whether there's enough evidence for a trial to take place; in other systems, a judge would examine the evidence to see if, if everything the prosecution says is true, the defendant *could* be found guilty. In the USA, a secret group of citizens makes that decision: if they find a "true bill", then Assange can be charged, but if they don't, then Assange can't be charged. In other words, if some of the grand jury are awesome and like a free press, Assange may not get charged at all. But the bar is so low that it's pretty unlikely the grand jury wouldn't charge him... Grand juries, by their nature, are secret. There’s no such thing, at least in the USA, of a public grand jury. They simply interpret whether there’s enough evidence for a trial to take place; in other systems, a judge would examine the evidence to see if, if everything the prosecution says is true, the defendant *could* be found guilty. In the USA, a secret group of citizens makes that decision: if they find a “true bill”, then Assange can be charged, but if they don’t, then Assange can’t be charged.

In other words, if some of the grand jury are awesome and like a free press, Assange may not get charged at all. But the bar is so low that it’s pretty unlikely the grand jury wouldn’t charge him…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967821 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967821 Quoted: Assange issued a statement from jail by way of his mother, which said in part, "We now know that Visa, Mastercard and Paypal are instruments of US foreign policy. It's not something we knew before." What's the over-under on how long before that relationship morphs into its reverse? Quoted: Assange issued a statement from jail by way of his mother, which said in part, “We now know that Visa, Mastercard and Paypal are instruments of US foreign policy. It’s not something we knew before.”

What’s the over-under on how long before that relationship morphs into its reverse?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-968600 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-968600 Why would the US have anything to do with his trial, given his offense occurred in Sweden? Why would the US have anything to do with his trial, given his offense occurred in Sweden?

]]> By: jphilby http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967843 jphilby Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967843 Wait a minute. Look at those stockings. Is that a ... RUN? Humph. What kind of supporter is *that*? Wait a minute. Look at those stockings. Is that a … RUN?

Humph. What kind of supporter is *that*?

]]> By: snarf http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967849 snarf Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967849 Any news on how many people closed down their Paypal accounts? I heard a lot of folks in here saying they would (and I closed mine down) Any news on how many people closed down their Paypal accounts? I heard a lot of folks in here saying they would (and I closed mine down)

]]> By: Chentzilla http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967854 Chentzilla Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967854 That lady gives free assange? Is that like ass massage? That lady gives free assange? Is that like ass massage?

]]> By: kjh http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967865 kjh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967865 Assange has not been charged with anything yet. He is wanted for questioning only. Let me quote from the Guardian here: <blockquote> Lady Ludford MEP, the Liberal Democrat European justice and human rights spokeswoman, claimed the arrest warrant system, which she said she supported, was being used by Sweden to carry out a fishing expedition. Sweden had yet to formally charge Assange with any offence. </blockquote> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/13/assange-in-court-appeal-release Assange has not been charged with anything yet. He is wanted for questioning only.

Let me quote from the Guardian here:

Lady Ludford MEP, the Liberal Democrat European justice and human rights spokeswoman, claimed the arrest warrant system, which she said she supported, was being used by Sweden to carry out a fishing expedition. Sweden had yet to formally charge Assange with any offence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/13/assange-in-court-appeal-release

]]> By: shanks http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967869 shanks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967869 ahem. It's a trap! ahem. It’s a trap!

]]> By: zikman http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967891 zikman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967891 this guy is done. I might be a little pessimistic here, but I don't think we'll ever see him again. this guy is done. I might be a little pessimistic here, but I don’t think we’ll ever see him again.

]]> By: pAULbOWEN http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967915 pAULbOWEN Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967915 Wiki schmiki, anyone got contact details for Little Bo Peep there? Wiki schmiki, anyone got contact details for Little Bo Peep there?

]]> By: osmo http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967918 osmo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967918 Wait no... see he is under "strong suspicion"(bad tra) (which is the highest degree in suspicion) for rape and sexual assault. Hes charged with it and also "apprehended in abscence" (if there are any other swedes out there who are good at translating swedish legal jargon to english now would be the time to step on up) so the warrant should be correct. The problems lies in the differences between legal systems within the EU I guess. @Zikman: I doubt it. Maybe he'll get "slap on the wrist"-time for sexual assault but after that its almost impossible for him to be extradited to the US. Thats the beauty of it. The process of having anyone extradited from Sweden to the US after some other EU country have sent him here is extremely lengthy and there are just too many hurdles to get over for it to pass. The best shot the US have is to kill him in prison, which is difficult since the level of effectiveness of that in a swedish prison is minimal. Wait no… see he is under “strong suspicion”(bad tra) (which is the highest degree in suspicion) for rape and sexual assault. Hes charged with it and also “apprehended in abscence” (if there are any other swedes out there who are good at translating swedish legal jargon to english now would be the time to step on up) so the warrant should be correct.

The problems lies in the differences between legal systems within the EU I guess.

@Zikman: I doubt it. Maybe he’ll get “slap on the wrist”-time for sexual assault but after that its almost impossible for him to be extradited to the US. Thats the beauty of it. The process of having anyone extradited from Sweden to the US after some other EU country have sent him here is extremely lengthy and there are just too many hurdles to get over for it to pass. The best shot the US have is to kill him in prison, which is difficult since the level of effectiveness of that in a swedish prison is minimal.

]]> By: muteboy http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-968436 muteboy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-968436 Anonymous seems to be like the kid from that Twilight Zone episode that can make people disappear, so everyone has to tiptoe around. Anonymous seems to be like the kid from that Twilight Zone episode that can make people disappear, so everyone has to tiptoe around.

]]> By: TEKNA2007 http://boingboing.net/2010/12/13/wikileaks-assange-ba.html#comment-967926 TEKNA2007 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-967926 Third or fourth hand, but ultimately attributed to Assange's attorney: "And indeed the Swedes, we understand, have said that if he comes to Sweden, they will defer their interest in him to the Americans. That shows some level of collusion." http://wikileaks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/12/13/is_a_us_grand_jury_considering_charges_against_julian_assange Third or fourth hand, but ultimately attributed to Assange’s attorney:

“And indeed the Swedes, we understand, have said that if he comes to Sweden, they will defer their interest in him to the Americans. That shows some level of collusion.”

http://wikileaks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/12/13/is_a_us_grand_jury_considering_charges_against_julian_assange

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