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		<title>By: fajar nugroho</title>
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		<dc:creator>fajar nugroho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woow, very brave at all ..!!! I give two thumbs up to them..!!!
hhahahhaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woow, very brave at all ..!!! I give two thumbs up to them..!!!<br />
hhahahhaha</p>
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		<title>By: reckless love</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/12/23/interview-with-impri.html#comment-977684</link>
		<dc:creator>reckless love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some contemporary art theorists suggest that true art can only exist on the margins; as soon as something becomes mainstream, it ceases to be art. I think it&#039;s pretty clear that this group is on the margins, so by this test what they have created is art. That said, many of the same theorists (though not all) state that these margins must be made explicit to enact them as spaces of collaboration, experimentation, and of new creation. While this group has been successful in making explicit the margins from which they are creating art, I believe they are closing themselves off to collaboration by defining their practice within such narrow and rigid parameters. Furthermore, they are using a symbol (skull and cross bones) with externally-defined value to define their art, so I question what is being created here; it seems more the reproduction of a specific grammar that is not original. Gillian Rose outlines the idea that the notion of community â€œprovides a structure for senses of identity which desire to be stable and harmonious, uniform within and hostile to what is positioned as without.â€ In this way, are they not replicating a system that they have simply chosen to place over the one they are protesting? In conclusion, this is not responsible as there is no invitation of dialogue, and an apparent arbitrary assignment of value to one position over another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some contemporary art theorists suggest that true art can only exist on the margins; as soon as something becomes mainstream, it ceases to be art. I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that this group is on the margins, so by this test what they have created is art. That said, many of the same theorists (though not all) state that these margins must be made explicit to enact them as spaces of collaboration, experimentation, and of new creation. While this group has been successful in making explicit the margins from which they are creating art, I believe they are closing themselves off to collaboration by defining their practice within such narrow and rigid parameters. Furthermore, they are using a symbol (skull and cross bones) with externally-defined value to define their art, so I question what is being created here; it seems more the reproduction of a specific grammar that is not original. Gillian Rose outlines the idea that the notion of community â€œprovides a structure for senses of identity which desire to be stable and harmonious, uniform within and hostile to what is positioned as without.â€ In this way, are they not replicating a system that they have simply chosen to place over the one they are protesting? In conclusion, this is not responsible as there is no invitation of dialogue, and an apparent arbitrary assignment of value to one position over another.</p>
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		<title>By: Yenisei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yenisei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imperial Stars analogy completely irrelevant. This is a drawbridge, one of the dozens in St.Pete. The traffic is stopped every single night around 2 am by a cop, a few minutes before the bridge opens to let the ships on the Neva pass through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imperial Stars analogy completely irrelevant. This is a drawbridge, one of the dozens in St.Pete. The traffic is stopped every single night around 2 am by a cop, a few minutes before the bridge opens to let the ships on the Neva pass through.</p>
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		<title>By: seachange</title>
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		<dc:creator>seachange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when was the skull-and-crossbones &quot;the&quot; symbol of anarchy? I have no problem with this group symbolizing their anarchism however they chose but I wish they would not speak for all anarchists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when was the skull-and-crossbones &#8220;the&#8221; symbol of anarchy? I have no problem with this group symbolizing their anarchism however they chose but I wish they would not speak for all anarchists.</p>
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		<title>By: mjsergey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjsergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Alain Badiou&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lacan.com/issue22.php&quot;&gt;15 Theses On Contemporary Art&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;13. Today art can only be made from the starting point of that which, as far as Empire is concerned, doesn&#039;t exist. Through its abstraction, art renders this inexistence visible. This is what governs the formal principle of every art: the effort to render visible to everyone that which for Empire (and so by extension for everyone, though from a different point of view), doesn&#039;t exist.
14. Since it is sure of its ability to control the entire domain of the visible and the audible via the laws governing commercial circulation and democratic communication, Empire no longer censures anything. All art, and all thought, is ruined when we accept this permission to consume, to communicate and to enjoy. We should become the pitiless censors of ourselves.
15. It is better to do nothing than to contribute to the invention of formal ways of rendering visible that which Empire already recognizes as existent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From Slavoj Å½iÅ¾ek&#039;s excellent essay &quot;Neighbors and Other Monsters&quot;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Today, we seem effectively to be at the opposite point from the ideology of the 1960s: the mottos of spontaneity, creative self-expression, and so on, are taken over by the System; in other words, the old logic of the system reproducing itself through repressing and rigidly channeling the subject&#039;s spontaneous impetuses is left behind. Nonalienated spontaneity, self-expression, self-realization, they all directly serve the system, which is why pitiless self-censorship is a sine qua non of emancipatory politics. Especially in the domain of poetic art, this means that one should totally reject any attitude of self-expression, of displaying one&#039;s innermost emotional turmoil, desires, and dreams. True art has nothing whatsoever to do with disgusting emotional exhibitionism&#8212;insofar as the standard notion of &quot;poetic spirit&quot; is the ability to display one&#039;s intimate turmoil, what Vladimir Mayakovski said about himself with regard to his turn from personal poetry to political propaganda in verses (&quot;I had to step on the throat of my Muse&quot;) is the constitutive gesture of a true poet. If there is a thing that provokes disgust in a true poet, it is the scene of a close friend opening up his heart, spilling out all the dirt of his inner life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Alain Badiou&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lacan.com/issue22.php">15 Theses On Contemporary Art</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>13. Today art can only be made from the starting point of that which, as far as Empire is concerned, doesn&#8217;t exist. Through its abstraction, art renders this inexistence visible. This is what governs the formal principle of every art: the effort to render visible to everyone that which for Empire (and so by extension for everyone, though from a different point of view), doesn&#8217;t exist.<br />
14. Since it is sure of its ability to control the entire domain of the visible and the audible via the laws governing commercial circulation and democratic communication, Empire no longer censures anything. All art, and all thought, is ruined when we accept this permission to consume, to communicate and to enjoy. We should become the pitiless censors of ourselves.<br />
15. It is better to do nothing than to contribute to the invention of formal ways of rendering visible that which Empire already recognizes as existent.</p></blockquote>
<p>From Slavoj Å½iÅ¾ek&#8217;s excellent essay &#8220;Neighbors and Other Monsters&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Today, we seem effectively to be at the opposite point from the ideology of the 1960s: the mottos of spontaneity, creative self-expression, and so on, are taken over by the System; in other words, the old logic of the system reproducing itself through repressing and rigidly channeling the subject&#8217;s spontaneous impetuses is left behind. Nonalienated spontaneity, self-expression, self-realization, they all directly serve the system, which is why pitiless self-censorship is a sine qua non of emancipatory politics. Especially in the domain of poetic art, this means that one should totally reject any attitude of self-expression, of displaying one&#8217;s innermost emotional turmoil, desires, and dreams. True art has nothing whatsoever to do with disgusting emotional exhibitionism&mdash;insofar as the standard notion of &#8220;poetic spirit&#8221; is the ability to display one&#8217;s intimate turmoil, what Vladimir Mayakovski said about himself with regard to his turn from personal poetry to political propaganda in verses (&#8220;I had to step on the throat of my Muse&#8221;) is the constitutive gesture of a true poet. If there is a thing that provokes disgust in a true poet, it is the scene of a close friend opening up his heart, spilling out all the dirt of his inner life.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad there&#039;s a difference, because I&#039;m rooting for Voina and I can&#039;t stand Imperial Stars.</description>
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		<title>By: ultranaut</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is brilliantly insightful. </description>
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		<title>By: enkiv2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Kalifornia Uber Alles&#039; comes to mind here. That said, it&#039;s true: that which seeks to fight the Empire is already part of the Empire; the Spectacle co-opts its opposition before it is even realized. You could make the argument that by having these guys around and allowing their stunts to become public, the Russian government is making the statement that Russia is a &#039;free&#039; country by western standards (the opposition is co-opted before it&#039;s realized).

It&#039;s worthwhile to note that Russia was never communist, nor was it ever a democracy, but it&#039;s something resembling a republic now. Just so we don&#039;t mince words; the hammer and sickle represents something that would be just as much of an improvement as the circle-A or the skull-and-crossbones, despite the long history of abuse of all of the above symbols both in Russia and elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Kalifornia Uber Alles&#8217; comes to mind here. That said, it&#8217;s true: that which seeks to fight the Empire is already part of the Empire; the Spectacle co-opts its opposition before it is even realized. You could make the argument that by having these guys around and allowing their stunts to become public, the Russian government is making the statement that Russia is a &#8216;free&#8217; country by western standards (the opposition is co-opted before it&#8217;s realized).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worthwhile to note that Russia was never communist, nor was it ever a democracy, but it&#8217;s something resembling a republic now. Just so we don&#8217;t mince words; the hammer and sickle represents something that would be just as much of an improvement as the circle-A or the skull-and-crossbones, despite the long history of abuse of all of the above symbols both in Russia and elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: mfrankly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfrankly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am blown away and a bit envious of the balls these artists have, but I suppose that drastic times call for drastic measuresâ€”maybe the US hasnâ€™t hit bottom yet?

&lt;blockquote&gt;When the prominent curator Andrei Yerofeyev was accused of fomenting ethnic and religious hatred and &quot;insulting human dignity&quot; for organizing an exhibition and was brought to the court, the Voina art collective interrupted the case hearing by performing a new song All Cops are Bastards from the album Fuck the Police Those Motherfucking Bosses right into the courtroom. The idea was simple, the implementation â€“ honest and uncompromising&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And thereâ€™s a video of it in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dontpaniconline.com/magazine/radar/russian-art-anarchists-explain-themselvesâ€&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;!!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am blown away and a bit envious of the balls these artists have, but I suppose that drastic times call for drastic measuresâ€”maybe the US hasnâ€™t hit bottom yet?</p>
<blockquote><p>When the prominent curator Andrei Yerofeyev was accused of fomenting ethnic and religious hatred and &#8220;insulting human dignity&#8221; for organizing an exhibition and was brought to the court, the Voina art collective interrupted the case hearing by performing a new song All Cops are Bastards from the album Fuck the Police Those Motherfucking Bosses right into the courtroom. The idea was simple, the implementation â€“ honest and uncompromising</p></blockquote>
<p>And thereâ€™s a video of it in the <a href="http://www.dontpaniconline.com/magazine/radar/russian-art-anarchists-explain-themselvesâ€>article</a>!!</p>
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		<title>By: joeposts</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s certainly funnier than the Imperial Stars&#039; music. Penis = comedy gold, rap-rock = vomit in mouth. </description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To connect some dots, performers of the Belarus Free Theater were arrested and worse this week for protesting the Lukashenko &quot;election&quot;  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/theater/22radar.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To connect some dots, performers of the Belarus Free Theater were arrested and worse this week for protesting the Lukashenko &#8220;election&#8221;  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/theater/22radar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/theater/22radar.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if &#039;the authorities&#039; are simply a bigger group of art renegades whose art is so commonplace and accepted that it&#039;s no longer revolutionary? Could it possibly come full circle, when the hip artistic democrats are besieged by groups of youths with nothing better to do than project a hammer and sickle on a popular democracist landmark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if &#8216;the authorities&#8217; are simply a bigger group of art renegades whose art is so commonplace and accepted that it&#8217;s no longer revolutionary? Could it possibly come full circle, when the hip artistic democrats are besieged by groups of youths with nothing better to do than project a hammer and sickle on a popular democracist landmark?</p>
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		<title>By: talzaken</title>
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		<dc:creator>talzaken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What were the Imperial Stars protesting?</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
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		<description>Their obscurity.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but compare the effect on Russian government of lasers aimed at the White House in 2010 vs tank rounds in 1993.</description>
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		<title>By: maturin</title>
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		<dc:creator>maturin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when people arguing on behalf of freedom and expression proceed to elaborate on how other people&#039;s chosen form of expression isn&#039;t valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when people arguing on behalf of freedom and expression proceed to elaborate on how other people&#8217;s chosen form of expression isn&#8217;t valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>that&#039;s really danger russian... i have been got there last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s really danger russian&#8230; i have been got there last year.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s not that, it&#039;s that freedom comes hand in hand with responsibility. That&#039;s what people are arguing, whether it was responsible. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s not that, it&#8217;s that freedom comes hand in hand with responsibility. That&#8217;s what people are arguing, whether it was responsible. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
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		<description>Voina did their bridge cock thing at night, not rush hour. And they only stopped traffic for a couple of minutes. That&#039;s a pretty big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voina did their bridge cock thing at night, not rush hour. And they only stopped traffic for a couple of minutes. That&#8217;s a pretty big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Hawkins</dc:creator>
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		<description>wow, so as it turns out drunken frat boys in america have been creating art all these years on their passed out friends&#039; faces for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, so as it turns out drunken frat boys in america have been creating art all these years on their passed out friends&#8217; faces for years.</p>
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		<title>By: roboton</title>
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		<dc:creator>roboton</dc:creator>
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		<description>I imagine projecting the Skull and Cross onto the US Capitol Building would be a risky and unpredictable move.

These guys and girls have guts.
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<p>These guys and girls have guts.</p>
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