Comments on: LOL: Judith Miller criticizes Wikileaks' Assange for not verifying his sources http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983564 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983564 "or determine whether or not it would hurt anyone" this is incorrect. Wikileaks have worked closely with newspaper publishers to vet information from leak documents which they feel would 'hurt' people. IMHO misinformation is the worst enemy of our freedom and news in the USA compared to here in Australia appears very misinformed. “or determine whether or not it would hurt anyone” this is incorrect. Wikileaks have worked closely with newspaper publishers to vet information from leak documents which they feel would ‘hurt’ people. IMHO misinformation is the worst enemy of our freedom and news in the USA compared to here in Australia appears very misinformed.

]]> By: mdh http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983825 mdh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983825 meh @ your attitude. There is a difference between privacy and secrecy. And there very much is a problem with Judy Miller calling the kettle black here. Namely that she never owned her own pottedness. meh @ your attitude. There is a difference between privacy and secrecy. And there very much is a problem with Judy Miller calling the kettle black here. Namely that she never owned her own pottedness.

]]> By: bardfinn http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983324 bardfinn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983324 Also, I'm ... puzzled. How, exactly, is Herr Assange meant to verify the factuality of a series of leaked, classified documents, for which the government of the United States has only two verbal responses (being "No Comment" and "You have the right to remain silent, anything ...") and for which anyone involved in their creation or review can expect to be charged with treason should they comment, thus assuring their silence unless they're fools - ? And as the United States has quite a bit of reach and power with regards to the infrastructure of the Internet, and has cover-up teams on-call 24/7 (you're a fool if you think they don't - what is the CIA for, after all?) wouldn't it be totally counterproductive and foolhardy to tip his hand in any way by attempting to verify any of the published pieces? Also, I’m … puzzled. How, exactly, is Herr Assange meant to verify the factuality of a series of leaked, classified documents, for which the government of the United States has only two verbal responses (being “No Comment” and “You have the right to remain silent, anything …”) and for which anyone involved in their creation or review can expect to be charged with treason should they comment, thus assuring their silence unless they’re fools – ?

And as the United States has quite a bit of reach and power with regards to the infrastructure of the Internet, and has cover-up teams on-call 24/7 (you’re a fool if you think they don’t – what is the CIA for, after all?) wouldn’t it be totally counterproductive and foolhardy to tip his hand in any way by attempting to verify any of the published pieces?

]]> By: mdh http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983341 mdh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983341 AND the US has only said one of those two things. AND the US has only said one of those two things.

]]> By: Manooshi http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983355 Manooshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983355 Wow. Fuck that ****! Judith Miller's NYT articles drummed for war against Iraq via Cheney's lies; and we're supposed to believe she's a total dumb bitch about what constitutes "verifiable sources" AND the fact that she is projecting HER war crimes onto Assange? Miller is just as much a war criminal as Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld for having exploited her position at the NYT to green-light the racist and illegal killings of 2-million Iraqis since '03. Wow. Fuck that ****! Judith Miller’s NYT articles drummed for war against Iraq via Cheney’s lies; and we’re supposed to believe she’s a total dumb bitch about what constitutes “verifiable sources” AND the fact that she is projecting HER war crimes onto Assange? Miller is just as much a war criminal as Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld for having exploited her position at the NYT to green-light the racist and illegal killings of 2-million Iraqis since ’03.

]]> By: EH http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983363 EH Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983363 Can't wait to read her next story for Newsmax. Can’t wait to read her next story for Newsmax.

]]> By: ukaser http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983624 ukaser Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983624 I'm sorry but I have to kind of give her the sway in this argument. She's right when she says that her job was to report what the government believed. There is an argument that says you shouldn't report on things you know are lies, but you also want to be sure to communicate what the powers that be beleive and are doing. A journalists job is not become the news, it's to report the news. This is something that Assanage fails to grasp. Wikileaks is the story, not the leaks themselves. Not to mention the guy tried to stop a 'leak' about his own current legal situation. Yes, this woman is an idiot, but Assanage is worse. He's an idiot with followers. I’m sorry but I have to kind of give her the sway in this argument.

She’s right when she says that her job was to report what the government believed. There is an argument that says you shouldn’t report on things you know are lies, but you also want to be sure to communicate what the powers that be beleive and are doing.

A journalists job is not become the news, it’s to report the news. This is something that Assanage fails to grasp. Wikileaks is the story, not the leaks themselves.

Not to mention the guy tried to stop a ‘leak’ about his own current legal situation.

Yes, this woman is an idiot, but Assanage is worse. He’s an idiot with followers.

]]> By: scifijazznik http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983113 scifijazznik Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983113 It's like RAAAYYYEEEAAAAIIIIN on your wedding...ah, fuck it. The joke is on anyone who still reads Judith Miller. It’s like RAAAYYYEEEAAAAIIIIN on your wedding…ah, fuck it. The joke is on anyone who still reads Judith Miller.

]]> By: Dave Faris http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983117 Dave Faris Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983117 It's like rain on your wedding day or a free ride when you're already late. It’s like rain on your wedding day or a free ride when you’re already late.

]]> By: mdh http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983118 mdh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983118 Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Out, damn’d spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then
’tis time to do’t.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and
afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our
pow’r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to
have had so much blood in him?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983122 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983122 But there ARE WMDs in Iraq!! There ARE!! Scooter TOLD ME SO!! But there ARE WMDs in Iraq!!

There ARE!!

Scooter TOLD ME SO!!

]]> By: Lobster http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983132 Lobster Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983132 I thought he said there was some stuff he wasn't releasing because it would cause harm? Either way, I don't think Assange's (or rather WikiLeaks') role is to report. It's not providing evidence. It's telling us where we need to look. You can say it should either do the other half of the job as well or sit down and shut up, but no one else seems to be doing the job right now. WikiLeaks is far from perfect but it's better than nothing. Either way, it's best not to make a habit of it. I thought he said there was some stuff he wasn’t releasing because it would cause harm?

Either way, I don’t think Assange’s (or rather WikiLeaks’) role is to report. It’s not providing evidence. It’s telling us where we need to look. You can say it should either do the other half of the job as well or sit down and shut up, but no one else seems to be doing the job right now.

WikiLeaks is far from perfect but it’s better than nothing. Either way, it’s best not to make a habit of it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983136 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983136 Well...She'd know, wouldn't she? She's an EXPERT! Well…She’d know, wouldn’t she? She’s an EXPERT!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983137 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983137 pot, meet kettle. pot, meet kettle.

]]> By: seyo http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983138 seyo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983138 lulz @ teh delishus eyerownee lulz @ teh delishus eyerownee

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983143 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983143 being a modern day conservative with no need to acknowledge the past and its mistakes or the present and its realities and facts must be so liberating. i see why it appeals so much to evil miscreants and assorted fuckups. being a modern day conservative with no need to acknowledge the past and its mistakes or the present and its realities and facts must be so liberating. i see why it appeals so much to evil miscreants and assorted fuckups.

]]> By: Osprey101 http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983149 Osprey101 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983149 Next up: Down the rabbit hole with reigning fact-checker Judith Miller! Next up: Down the rabbit hole with reigning fact-checker Judith Miller!

]]> By: MrJM http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983156 MrJM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983156 UPDATE: A spokesman has confirmed that Irony was rushed to a local hospital this morning due to extreme exhaustion. UPDATE: A spokesman has confirmed that Irony was rushed to a local hospital this morning due to extreme exhaustion.

]]> By: Church http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983161 Church Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983161 WTF? She's either made shit up, or been dumb enough to swallow shit that was made up. How does she still get work? (Seriously. I could use a job and I can pretend to be that stupid.) WTF? She’s either made shit up, or been dumb enough to swallow shit that was made up.

How does she still get work?

(Seriously. I could use a job and I can pretend to be that stupid.)

]]> By: Dave Faris http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983417 Dave Faris Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983417 Well, let's give her the benefit of the doubt, and assume that she learned from her own mistakes. Well, let’s give her the benefit of the doubt, and assume that she learned from her own mistakes.

]]> By: grimc http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983165 grimc Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983165 Isn't this hypocrisy, rather than irony? Isn’t this hypocrisy, rather than irony?

]]> By: mdh http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983173 mdh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983173 Impressively, it is both. Impressively, it is both.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983690 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983690 <blockquote>Yes, this woman is an idiot, but Assanage is worse. He's an idiot with followers.</blockquote> ukaser, you are incredibly ignorant on this subject. Does that make you an idiot too?

Yes, this woman is an idiot, but Assanage is worse. He’s an idiot with followers.

ukaser, you are incredibly ignorant on this subject. Does that make you an idiot too?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983188 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983188 heh heh heh wait, what? heh heh heh

wait, what?

]]> By: Tatsuma http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983190 Tatsuma Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983190 If you really can pretend to be THAT stupid, I hear FauxNews is hiring. If you really can pretend to be THAT stupid, I hear FauxNews is hiring.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983717 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983717 I hear there are good jobs manufacturing consent. I hear there are good jobs manufacturing consent.

]]> By: Keith http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983211 Keith Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983211 Ah, but can you pretend to be that stupid for a sustained amount of time? Even Stephen Colbert has trouble keeping the mask on, and his audience is in on the joke. Ah, but can you pretend to be that stupid for a sustained amount of time? Even Stephen Colbert has trouble keeping the mask on, and his audience is in on the joke.

]]> By: kip w http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983238 kip w Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983238 After all, this is somebody who swiped her name from a Gilda Radner routine on Saturday Night Live. After all, this is somebody who swiped her name from a Gilda Radner routine on Saturday Night Live.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983496 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983496 While I have no respect for the journo making the statement, the statement itself is not without merit. Assange has repeatedly attempted to bill himself as a media reporter in order to receive the protections that more formalised media reporters have. However those same formalised media reporters have restrictions that he won't allow himself to have. Assange also got upset with his own police reports being leaked?! It very much seems like assange wants one rule for him and another set for everyone who opposes him. People who work like this are just in it for the thrill of the game. While I have no respect for the journo making the statement, the statement itself is not without merit. Assange has repeatedly attempted to bill himself as a media reporter in order to receive the protections that more formalised media reporters have. However those same formalised media reporters have restrictions that he won’t allow himself to have.

Assange also got upset with his own police reports being leaked?! It very much seems like assange wants one rule for him and another set for everyone who opposes him. People who work like this are just in it for the thrill of the game.

]]> By: ericmartinex1 http://boingboing.net/2011/01/03/lol-judith-miller-cr.html#comment-983511 ericmartinex1 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983511 The US is biggest propaganda machine on earth. Don't believe anything that comes out of that place. Especially information from a government agency. That's why these cables are so liberating - even though they come from the State Department - but State Department is a government agency! 1/0! (brain explodes) The US is biggest propaganda machine on earth. Don’t believe anything that comes out of that place. Especially information from a government agency. That’s why these cables are so liberating – even though they come from the State Department – but State Department is a government agency! 1/0! (brain explodes)

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