Comments on: EPIC.org hosts TSA Screening summit: "The Stripping of Freedom" http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 01:12:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: kam http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-984082 kam Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-984082 on the way out of the US, had no Porno-scan or pat down. TSA experience generally ok. Flight back (from AMS on essentially the same flight the underwear bomber took) got the porno-scan and a pat-down from Netherlands security "officer". no biggee. It may not be popular to say in this forum, but isn't flying a privilege and not a RIGHT? If you really want to opt out of the security protocol you can stay home. on the way out of the US, had no Porno-scan or pat down. TSA experience generally ok.

Flight back (from AMS on essentially the same flight the underwear bomber took) got the porno-scan and a pat-down from Netherlands security “officer”.

no biggee. It may not be popular to say in this forum, but isn’t flying a privilege and not a RIGHT? If you really want to opt out of the security protocol you can stay home.

]]> By: sapere_aude http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-984600 sapere_aude Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-984600 <blockquote>isn't flying a privilege and not a RIGHT?</blockquote> Nope. It's a right; at least according to federal statute and the U.S. Supreme Court. <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode49/usc_sec_49_00040103----000-.html">49 USC 40103(a)(2)</a> – "A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace." <a href="http://laws.findlaw.com/us/357/116.html "><i>Kent v. Dulles</i> (1958)</a> – "The right to travel is a part of the 'liberty' of which a citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment"

isn’t flying a privilege and not a RIGHT?

Nope. It’s a right; at least according to federal statute and the U.S. Supreme Court.

49 USC 40103(a)(2) – “A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.”

Kent v. Dulles (1958) – “The right to travel is a part of the ‘liberty’ of which a citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment”

]]> By: Tim http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-984105 Tim Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-984105 Personally, I have never really been inconvenienced or bothered by the backscatter scanners. That doesn't mean I support or like them--I find them ineffective and I can see why people could be bothered by them. I'm just personally not bothered. If someone wants to get their jollies looking at my junk through a backscatter image, then they clearly have never Googled ANYTHING with the safe-search turned off. I do get annoyed by the TSA repeatedly shouting their mantra of "Security is not optional" and the fact that (what seems like) a majority of people are ok with the TSA doing whatever they want because "it's a small price to pay for security". The TSA is NOT security. It's psychological comfort to a lot of people, but it is NOT security. Not by a long shot. Personally, I have never really been inconvenienced or bothered by the backscatter scanners. That doesn’t mean I support or like them–I find them ineffective and I can see why people could be bothered by them. I’m just personally not bothered. If someone wants to get their jollies looking at my junk through a backscatter image, then they clearly have never Googled ANYTHING with the safe-search turned off.

I do get annoyed by the TSA repeatedly shouting their mantra of “Security is not optional” and the fact that (what seems like) a majority of people are ok with the TSA doing whatever they want because “it’s a small price to pay for security”.

The TSA is NOT security. It’s psychological comfort to a lot of people, but it is NOT security. Not by a long shot.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-983905 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983905 dammut, sometimes I really wish I still lived in D.C. - thanks for the head's up. boing boing!! dammut, sometimes I really wish I still lived in D.C. – thanks for the head’s up. boing boing!!

]]> By: Neon Tooth http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-983950 Neon Tooth Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-983950 Since it's never said I'll mention that I had an absolutely body-scan/pat-down free trip away, and then back home again over the holidays. All TSA workers were friendly enough too. Since it’s never said I’ll mention that I had an absolutely body-scan/pat-down free trip away, and then back home again over the holidays. All TSA workers were friendly enough too.

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]]> By: Phil Ward http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-986326 Phil Ward Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-986326 Thank you Anon for doing exactly what I was just about to :) Thank you Anon for doing exactly what I was just about to :)

]]> By: Demetri http://boingboing.net/2011/01/04/epicorg-hosts-tsa-sc.html#comment-986871 Demetri Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-986871 Just got home from the summit, what an amazing group of Speakers. Edward Luttwak and Bruce Schneier were the highlights for me. Just got home from the summit, what an amazing group of Speakers. Edward Luttwak and Bruce Schneier were the highlights for me.

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