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		<title>By: Andrea James</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986368</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@WizarDru: Indeed, Ben Goldacre is a voice crying in the wilderness, and one of the very few truly skeptical science journalists. The Knight Science Journalism Tracker is another fine source of analysis and criticism of science journalism:

http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WizarDru: Indeed, Ben Goldacre is a voice crying in the wilderness, and one of the very few truly skeptical science journalists. The Knight Science Journalism Tracker is another fine source of analysis and criticism of science journalism:</p>
<p><a href="http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/</a></p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986371</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Secret of Stradivari Rediscovered&quot; headline pops up about every three years. Journalists never bother to research to see if it&#039;s happened before, nor do they bother to ask anyone in the violin making community if the discoverer or his discovery are credible, or repeat offenders before they breathlessly report the exciting new news.

But why should we be surprised at any of this? Is contemporary mainstream news anything more than an extension of what the old National Enquirer used to be, combined with an advertising mouthpiece for whatever lies the government chooses to shove into the sheeples&#039; brainless skulls?

There are no journalists today, only brainless repeaters.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Secret of Stradivari Rediscovered&#8221; headline pops up about every three years. Journalists never bother to research to see if it&#8217;s happened before, nor do they bother to ask anyone in the violin making community if the discoverer or his discovery are credible, or repeat offenders before they breathlessly report the exciting new news.</p>
<p>But why should we be surprised at any of this? Is contemporary mainstream news anything more than an extension of what the old National Enquirer used to be, combined with an advertising mouthpiece for whatever lies the government chooses to shove into the sheeples&#8217; brainless skulls?</p>
<p>There are no journalists today, only brainless repeaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea James</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986377</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@teufelsdroch: The current round of news stems from conclusion of the British Medical Journal review, announced this week. The problem is that the retractions are rarely as splashy as the initial publicity push. The initial reporting usually makes headlines, and the retractions usually get buried by comparison. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@teufelsdroch: The current round of news stems from conclusion of the British Medical Journal review, announced this week. The problem is that the retractions are rarely as splashy as the initial publicity push. The initial reporting usually makes headlines, and the retractions usually get buried by comparison. </p>
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		<title>By: TEKNA2007</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986378</link>
		<dc:creator>TEKNA2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may not have gotten cold fusion, but that picture looks like evidence of significant progress on time travel.  The guy on the right looks a lot like the future version of the guy on the left.  Did he come back from the future to help his former self?  Seems like they should have skipped the cold fusion part and played up the time travel aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may not have gotten cold fusion, but that picture looks like evidence of significant progress on time travel.  The guy on the right looks a lot like the future version of the guy on the left.  Did he come back from the future to help his former self?  Seems like they should have skipped the cold fusion part and played up the time travel aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986384</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;HIV cured&quot; is in the same league as those other examples of breathless, inaccurate reporting. The HIV is an example of a treatment that works--and a real scientific advance, but is currently too risky for widespread use. However, it is a valid cure and holds promise for the future, especially as the technology for allogenic bone marrow transplant improves and risk of graft vs. host disease decreases. As well, new treatments for G vs. H are being developed. Given all of that, the HIV cure story is *very* exciting. All new medical breakthroughs start out as experimental therapies that need development to become widely available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;HIV cured&#8221; is in the same league as those other examples of breathless, inaccurate reporting. The HIV is an example of a treatment that works&#8211;and a real scientific advance, but is currently too risky for widespread use. However, it is a valid cure and holds promise for the future, especially as the technology for allogenic bone marrow transplant improves and risk of graft vs. host disease decreases. As well, new treatments for G vs. H are being developed. Given all of that, the HIV cure story is *very* exciting. All new medical breakthroughs start out as experimental therapies that need development to become widely available.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-987925</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH, in the context of science and scientific debate  (to return to the topic at hand), I suppose that the use of insult as a debating tactic has subtly different aims, and different results....that is to say, in contrast to its use in run-of-the-mill civic politics (to which my previous comments were directed). For in scientific debate the question or argument is not so much over how  (or what) is to be done, so much as it is simply, &quot;what is&quot;.

Nevertheless, insult remains a questionable tactic for use in the effort to persuade.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH, in the context of science and scientific debate  (to return to the topic at hand), I suppose that the use of insult as a debating tactic has subtly different aims, and different results&#8230;.that is to say, in contrast to its use in run-of-the-mill civic politics (to which my previous comments were directed). For in scientific debate the question or argument is not so much over how  (or what) is to be done, so much as it is simply, &#8220;what is&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, insult remains a questionable tactic for use in the effort to persuade.</p>
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		<title>By: double_tilly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-987933</link>
		<dc:creator>double_tilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The layman&#039;s summary is an excellent idea.

I think it is safe to assume that meaning WILL change as the science story is passed around among people. 

I&#039;m surprised that people are surprised ideas change as they interact with our physiologies (which are complex, limited, and prone to error). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The layman&#8217;s summary is an excellent idea.</p>
<p>I think it is safe to assume that meaning WILL change as the science story is passed around among people. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised that people are surprised ideas change as they interact with our physiologies (which are complex, limited, and prone to error). </p>
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		<title>By: AllyPally</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986658</link>
		<dc:creator>AllyPally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and speaking of accuracy, Boingboing is quoting the New York magazine, which is quoting CNN, which is quoting the British Medical Journal.

How about sticking a little closer to the sources?

I have to admit I thought Wakefield was incompetent. I didn&#039;t realise he was fraudulent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and speaking of accuracy, Boingboing is quoting the New York magazine, which is quoting CNN, which is quoting the British Medical Journal.</p>
<p>How about sticking a little closer to the sources?</p>
<p>I have to admit I thought Wakefield was incompetent. I didn&#8217;t realise he was fraudulent.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathansimon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986663</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathansimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not OK lumping arsenic life into this group. 

The work was done, peer reviewed, and published by Science. THEN there was a press conference. After the press conference, there was some pretty serious criticism (primarily on the web), but the paper is still published and the authors are still behind the work. The discussion criticizing the work are theoretical as no one else has done work with the microbe to determine more of what&#039;s happening.  

Other work mentioned in this post has in fact been proven wrong - Gliese 581 g and Cold Fusion, etc. Arsenic Life has not. The authors of the paper are going through criticisms of the work now (compiled by Science) and are getting responses together. Blog posts and news articles on the web simply do not discredit science. More work and more thought is all that will help get to the bottom of what&#039;s going on with GFAJ-1. 

But fundamentally the history with Arsenic Life is paper in Science then press conference. If the press conference hadn&#039;t happened, do you think the web would have had the same response? I really don&#039;t think so. And if that&#039;s the case, I think everyone should consider whether their treatment of this is warranted. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not OK lumping arsenic life into this group. </p>
<p>The work was done, peer reviewed, and published by Science. THEN there was a press conference. After the press conference, there was some pretty serious criticism (primarily on the web), but the paper is still published and the authors are still behind the work. The discussion criticizing the work are theoretical as no one else has done work with the microbe to determine more of what&#8217;s happening.  </p>
<p>Other work mentioned in this post has in fact been proven wrong &#8211; Gliese 581 g and Cold Fusion, etc. Arsenic Life has not. The authors of the paper are going through criticisms of the work now (compiled by Science) and are getting responses together. Blog posts and news articles on the web simply do not discredit science. More work and more thought is all that will help get to the bottom of what&#8217;s going on with GFAJ-1. </p>
<p>But fundamentally the history with Arsenic Life is paper in Science then press conference. If the press conference hadn&#8217;t happened, do you think the web would have had the same response? I really don&#8217;t think so. And if that&#8217;s the case, I think everyone should consider whether their treatment of this is warranted. </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986665</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why we would expect &quot;pre-web&quot; citations to this given that it is a modern phenomenon. Yes, the cold fusion debacle was pre-Web, but at the time this was a new thing and the science community was shocked by Pons and Fleischmann&#039;s horrible breach of scientific etiquette. Nowawdays, while scientists are understandably skeptical of announcements in press conferences, they more or less expect press releases and conferences for all high profile findings. Certainly many bloggers have used the term, not just Wikipedia.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why we would expect &#8220;pre-web&#8221; citations to this given that it is a modern phenomenon. Yes, the cold fusion debacle was pre-Web, but at the time this was a new thing and the science community was shocked by Pons and Fleischmann&#8217;s horrible breach of scientific etiquette. Nowawdays, while scientists are understandably skeptical of announcements in press conferences, they more or less expect press releases and conferences for all high profile findings. Certainly many bloggers have used the term, not just Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986922</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There just seems to be less and less science and more and more &quot;journalism&quot;.  Maybe someone should study the correlation between the lower public funding for science and the number of science related press conferences.  Follow the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There just seems to be less and less science and more and more &#8220;journalism&#8221;.  Maybe someone should study the correlation between the lower public funding for science and the number of science related press conferences.  Follow the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-987180</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I thought the pictures were one of those me-in-the-same-pose-at-the-same-place-some-number-of-years-later sets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I thought the pictures were one of those me-in-the-same-pose-at-the-same-place-some-number-of-years-later sets.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986416</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another story from today on what the media does to us:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/04/burns/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another story from today on what the media does to us:<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/04/burns/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/04/burns/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: GrymRpr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986419</link>
		<dc:creator>GrymRpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the pons-fleischman photo poped up I thought it was Bill Gates / James Burke
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the pons-fleischman photo poped up I thought it was Bill Gates / James Burke</p>
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		<title>By: igpajo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986426</link>
		<dc:creator>igpajo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man Jim Carey and his wife (whats-her-name) are going to be pissed!!</description>
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		<title>By: Boondocker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986430</link>
		<dc:creator>Boondocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey broke up, igpajo. You&#039;ve obviously been neglecting your TMZ (or your anti-vaccine news).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey broke up, igpajo. You&#8217;ve obviously been neglecting your TMZ (or your anti-vaccine news).</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986433</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;the sheeples&#039; brainless skulls&quot;...

1. They are people, not &quot;sheeple&quot;, you asshat.

2. People are NOT &quot;brainless&quot; - that&#039;s simply YOUR value judgment, asshat.

3. People are not reducible to their physicality - they are far more than &quot;skulls&quot; or &quot;bodies&quot; - except in the eyes of a criminal.

4. Do you really expect to insult people into agreeing with your political views? Or are you actually working for your putative &quot;opposition&quot;, at an emotive level?

IMHO, that last question contains the germ of the truth.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;the sheeples&#8217; brainless skulls&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>1. They are people, not &#8220;sheeple&#8221;, you asshat.</p>
<p>2. People are NOT &#8220;brainless&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s simply YOUR value judgment, asshat.</p>
<p>3. People are not reducible to their physicality &#8211; they are far more than &#8220;skulls&#8221; or &#8220;bodies&#8221; &#8211; except in the eyes of a criminal.</p>
<p>4. Do you really expect to insult people into agreeing with your political views? Or are you actually working for your putative &#8220;opposition&#8221;, at an emotive level?</p>
<p>IMHO, that last question contains the germ of the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always nice to hear about Jim Carrey!

Seriously.</description>
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<p>Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to filter my science news by whether it can be independently reproduced or not, rather than by which group of gatekeepers has anointed it with their holy bodily fluids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to filter my science news by whether it can be independently reproduced or not, rather than by which group of gatekeepers has anointed it with their holy bodily fluids.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnRomeoAlpha</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986440</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnRomeoAlpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add all string theory news releases into this category, until someone actually tests the theory.</description>
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		<title>By: Daemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986442</link>
		<dc:creator>Daemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you, most of the time time mainstream media screws up science news beyond all recognition even without help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you, most of the time time mainstream media screws up science news beyond all recognition even without help.</p>
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		<title>By: petroleum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/06/science-by-press-con.html#comment-986699</link>
		<dc:creator>petroleum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While journalists have a responsibility to report new findings, they also have a responsibility to make sure that these new findings are reported accurately and in a manner that is not sensationalistic.&quot;

I&#039;d posit that in contemporary journalism (this includes the online medium) the first part of this statement is true, but the latter has no bearing on the vast majority of information peddlers and handlers. In fact, this isn&#039;t a new at all in human history let alone US history, but since we&#039;ve become an information society post-dubya-dubya-two and the advent of marketing news as an impartial information dispenser has been waning in to the nth degree.

Again this isn&#039;t something new, see Yellow Journalism, and the media does occasionally honor its largely ignored code of ethics and produce a story of such magnitude and impact that we&#039;re left in awe by these David versus Goliath revelations. Honesty, sincerity, neutrality and morality take a distant backseat to entertainment, ad revenue and public opinion.

If I&#039;m not mistaken, in the US isn&#039;t extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to hold an information medium accountable for misinformation no matter how flagrant except in cases of liable.  Also, I unfortunately can&#039;t remember the particular case (sorry), didn&#039;t a US court of law determine that News programs can&#039;t be held accountable for their news reporting in the classic since of journalism because they are considered entertainment. My two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While journalists have a responsibility to report new findings, they also have a responsibility to make sure that these new findings are reported accurately and in a manner that is not sensationalistic.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d posit that in contemporary journalism (this includes the online medium) the first part of this statement is true, but the latter has no bearing on the vast majority of information peddlers and handlers. In fact, this isn&#8217;t a new at all in human history let alone US history, but since we&#8217;ve become an information society post-dubya-dubya-two and the advent of marketing news as an impartial information dispenser has been waning in to the nth degree.</p>
<p>Again this isn&#8217;t something new, see Yellow Journalism, and the media does occasionally honor its largely ignored code of ethics and produce a story of such magnitude and impact that we&#8217;re left in awe by these David versus Goliath revelations. Honesty, sincerity, neutrality and morality take a distant backseat to entertainment, ad revenue and public opinion.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, in the US isn&#8217;t extremely difficult &#8212; if not impossible &#8212; to hold an information medium accountable for misinformation no matter how flagrant except in cases of liable.  Also, I unfortunately can&#8217;t remember the particular case (sorry), didn&#8217;t a US court of law determine that News programs can&#8217;t be held accountable for their news reporting in the classic since of journalism because they are considered entertainment. My two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: double_tilly</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that &quot;today&#039;s&quot; media is some terrible brainless institution--worse than ever before--reads to me as a similar form of sensationalism the original post is trying to call out.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that &#8220;today&#8217;s&#8221; media is some terrible brainless institution&#8211;worse than ever before&#8211;reads to me as a similar form of sensationalism the original post is trying to call out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, no love for H.Pylori?  Peer review is a shibboleth.

Ms. James, perhaps the topic is more complex or nuanced than your journalism here reflects.  ^_^

Personally, I agree with Daemon (except I&#039;d probably remove the doubled &quot;time&quot; and the &quot;mainstream&quot; qualifier from his comment).</description>
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<p>Ms. James, perhaps the topic is more complex or nuanced than your journalism here reflects.  ^_^</p>
<p>Personally, I agree with Daemon (except I&#8217;d probably remove the doubled &#8220;time&#8221; and the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; qualifier from his comment).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, when i was in high school trying to decide what to &quot;major in&quot; in college, i briefly considered journalism, but because of my low self-esteem, i told myself i wasn&#039;t bright enough to be a journalist. And yet, over the years, whenever i&#039;ve read journalists writing about one of the few topics i know alot about, i&#039;ve noticed they get about 40% of the facts wrong.

I&#039;ve gotten to know some journalists, and of course there are a few brilliant ones, and the majority are a bunch of fucking mediocre hacks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, when i was in high school trying to decide what to &#8220;major in&#8221; in college, i briefly considered journalism, but because of my low self-esteem, i told myself i wasn&#8217;t bright enough to be a journalist. And yet, over the years, whenever i&#8217;ve read journalists writing about one of the few topics i know alot about, i&#8217;ve noticed they get about 40% of the facts wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotten to know some journalists, and of course there are a few brilliant ones, and the majority are a bunch of fucking mediocre hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: igpajo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s a TMZ?
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		<title>By: Yamara</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrea James #36
&quot;{{sofixit}}&quot;

Hoped to find the time to, as I said, but it was an outdoor day for me. I started looking for refs, but the BoingBoing &amp; Wikipedia articles rapidly buried the results for the phrase... making it that much harder to research.

Looks like you and another editor have been at it today, so I took the &quot;original research&quot; and lack of refs tags off.


@Jonathan Badger #33

&quot;I&#039;m not sure why we would expect &quot;pre-web&quot; citations to this given that it is a modern phenomenon&quot;

I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s so modern, considering all the 19th century engineering magazines I&#039;ve been reading. I&#039;m suspicious of &quot;many bloggers&quot; using a term being free of manipulation. Did you follow my link about the nonsense-word that replaced &quot;gender equality&quot; for six months? Bloggers were picking up on it as kewl, but it deliberately obscured actual discussion. Personally discovering a source of disinformation on the site and watching its speed and effectiveness was pretty sobering. 


@Beezlebuddy #35

Plus, it&#039;s ironic when someone makes a passive-agressive accusation passive-aggressively. As for myself, I was just being plain old &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bold&quot;&gt;aggressive&lt;/a&gt;. 

Your laundry list of Wikipedia&#039;s troubles only scratches the surface of the reasons I cut back editing there so much. 

But I thought that I was on-topic for a post about going to press before you had done your research. They used to say &quot;show your work&quot; in math class. Not &quot;wait for a stranger to show your work&quot;. It&#039;s still a good idea; references are what make Wikipedia at all useful, imho.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrea James #36<br />
&#8220;{{sofixit}}&#8221;</p>
<p>Hoped to find the time to, as I said, but it was an outdoor day for me. I started looking for refs, but the BoingBoing &#038; Wikipedia articles rapidly buried the results for the phrase&#8230; making it that much harder to research.</p>
<p>Looks like you and another editor have been at it today, so I took the &#8220;original research&#8221; and lack of refs tags off.</p>
<p>@Jonathan Badger #33</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure why we would expect &#8220;pre-web&#8221; citations to this given that it is a modern phenomenon&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s so modern, considering all the 19th century engineering magazines I&#8217;ve been reading. I&#8217;m suspicious of &#8220;many bloggers&#8221; using a term being free of manipulation. Did you follow my link about the nonsense-word that replaced &#8220;gender equality&#8221; for six months? Bloggers were picking up on it as kewl, but it deliberately obscured actual discussion. Personally discovering a source of disinformation on the site and watching its speed and effectiveness was pretty sobering. </p>
<p>@Beezlebuddy #35</p>
<p>Plus, it&#8217;s ironic when someone makes a passive-agressive accusation passive-aggressively. As for myself, I was just being plain old <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bold">aggressive</a>. </p>
<p>Your laundry list of Wikipedia&#8217;s troubles only scratches the surface of the reasons I cut back editing there so much. </p>
<p>But I thought that I was on-topic for a post about going to press before you had done your research. They used to say &#8220;show your work&#8221; in math class. Not &#8220;wait for a stranger to show your work&#8221;. It&#8217;s still a good idea; references are what make Wikipedia at all useful, imho.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Happy 10th Anniversary, Wikipedians!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a fantastic post.  Throw in a quick appeal to notability, and you will be everything that is wrong with Wikipedia.  Self-absorbed rules-lawyering, twisting rule interpretation to suit one&#039;s personal crusade, passive-aggressively implied accusations, that post really does have it all.  WP:KUDOS to ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a fantastic post.  Throw in a quick appeal to notability, and you will be everything that is wrong with Wikipedia.  Self-absorbed rules-lawyering, twisting rule interpretation to suit one&#8217;s personal crusade, passive-aggressively implied accusations, that post really does have it all.  WP:KUDOS to ya.</p>
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		<title>By: double_tilly</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ms. James, perhaps the topic is more complex or nuanced than your journalism here reflects.&quot;

Yes, as anyone who has ever played &quot;telephone&quot; could tell you.</description>
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<p>Yes, as anyone who has ever played &#8220;telephone&#8221; could tell you.</p>
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		<description>At a glance I thought the guy on the left was holding a baby bottle.</description>
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