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	<title>Comments on: George Packer: &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter why he did&#160;it.&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Daemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989701</link>
		<dc:creator>Daemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you have to remember, the reason the citizenry is allowed to have firearms in the US is so that they can shoot the government if it gets too uppity. 

I&#039;m sure that seemed like a good idea at the time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you have to remember, the reason the citizenry is allowed to have firearms in the US is so that they can shoot the government if it gets too uppity. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that seemed like a good idea at the time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tofagerl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989451</link>
		<dc:creator>Tofagerl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you americans feel the need to dichotomize everything? If someone isn&#039;t a democrat, they&#039;re automatically republicans. If you&#039;re not for us, you&#039;re against us. 
Sometimes things are more complicated than that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you americans feel the need to dichotomize everything? If someone isn&#8217;t a democrat, they&#8217;re automatically republicans. If you&#8217;re not for us, you&#8217;re against us.<br />
Sometimes things are more complicated than that!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989472</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are criminally insane throughout the political spectrum, but the leaders who incite unstable followers to violence should be accountable to the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are criminally insane throughout the political spectrum, but the leaders who incite unstable followers to violence should be accountable to the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989473</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Laughner is clearly schizophrenic and attributing his actions to politics would be like calling Ted Bundy&#039;s horrible murders a patriarchal response to feminism.  There is no way to force correlation between a popular ideology and the disease that has infected that sad man&#039;s mind.  The only possible political stumoing point I can see here (and this is a stretch) would be discovering and funding public policy that helps us keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Laughner is clearly schizophrenic and attributing his actions to politics would be like calling Ted Bundy&#8217;s horrible murders a patriarchal response to feminism.  There is no way to force correlation between a popular ideology and the disease that has infected that sad man&#8217;s mind.  The only possible political stumoing point I can see here (and this is a stretch) would be discovering and funding public policy that helps us keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Foy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989475</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Foy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it&#039;s easier to think about. 

Look back to the massive housing financial fraud. After greed, the next biggest reason it all happened was because people didn&#039;t want to do the work (or, in some cases, couldn&#039;t do the work) to understand what they were getting into. It was easier to trust a ratings agency, the friendly banker guy, the ever growing housing prices (10% year over year? When it had only been doing 0.7% year over year?)

In the case of the housing destruction it was that quest for a single number without thinking (in that case, the AAA rating for securities). In politics, you first split so you can assume more things. I&#039;ve seen quotes here in Florida like, &quot;Yes, I know [Rick Scott] is a criminal and a fraud - but he&#039;s Republican, so I&#039;m voting for him&quot;. 

People want things nice and tidy. They don&#039;t want messes, they don&#039;t want complication. Give &#039;em clear steps and assurance that they are helping &quot;fight the evils&quot; and you are good to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it&#8217;s easier to think about. </p>
<p>Look back to the massive housing financial fraud. After greed, the next biggest reason it all happened was because people didn&#8217;t want to do the work (or, in some cases, couldn&#8217;t do the work) to understand what they were getting into. It was easier to trust a ratings agency, the friendly banker guy, the ever growing housing prices (10% year over year? When it had only been doing 0.7% year over year?)</p>
<p>In the case of the housing destruction it was that quest for a single number without thinking (in that case, the AAA rating for securities). In politics, you first split so you can assume more things. I&#8217;ve seen quotes here in Florida like, &#8220;Yes, I know [Rick Scott] is a criminal and a fraud &#8211; but he&#8217;s Republican, so I&#8217;m voting for him&#8221;. </p>
<p>People want things nice and tidy. They don&#8217;t want messes, they don&#8217;t want complication. Give &#8216;em clear steps and assurance that they are helping &#8220;fight the evils&#8221; and you are good to go.</p>
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		<title>By: surreality</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989731</link>
		<dc:creator>surreality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because that would be infringing on our rights, even though that particular &quot;right&quot; helps escalate violence every day...

There are people here who agree with you and think perhaps the Second Amendment is a bit outdated, but we&#039;re always overshadowed by people who aren&#039;t willing to give up that right. I&#039;d rather not have the right to own a gun and help prevent violence throughout the rest of the country, but most people don&#039;t feel that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because that would be infringing on our rights, even though that particular &#8220;right&#8221; helps escalate violence every day&#8230;</p>
<p>There are people here who agree with you and think perhaps the Second Amendment is a bit outdated, but we&#8217;re always overshadowed by people who aren&#8217;t willing to give up that right. I&#8217;d rather not have the right to own a gun and help prevent violence throughout the rest of the country, but most people don&#8217;t feel that way.</p>
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		<title>By: paulj</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989479</link>
		<dc:creator>paulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By using the phrase &quot;you americans&quot;, aren&#039;t you doing some oversimplification of your own? Many Americans do tend to think in terms of us vs. them, but that&#039;s a human characteristic, not exclusively American. Thoughtful people everywhere, even in the US, know life is much more complex than that.

I&#039;ll grant that in the US, there are tremendous political, media and cultural forces driving us toward simplification and polarization. We have a 2 party political system whose leaders pander to the activists in their party to get nominated, then find themselves being held to extreme campaign promises. News media compete to be first with a story even when the story is still unfolding and the facts aren&#039;t all available. This is quickly followed by the drive to cast the story into simple labels, such as &quot;lone nut&quot; or &quot;right wing nut&quot;, and facts become almost irrelevant to the narrative. Then the pundits chime in with using the story as a prop for their agendas and the narratives they want to push. The mock-editorial &quot;Why the Bombings Mean That We Must Support My Politics&quot; (re-posted here earlier this morning) captures captures the thinking and tone of our many of our &quot;thought leaders&quot;.

Considering the rampant anti-intellectualism (the previous occupant of the White House put voice to a common attitude when he said &quot;I don&#039;t do nuance&quot;), and the Manichean world-view among many Christians in the US, I&#039;m glad there are forums such Boing Boing where we can &quot;do nuance&quot; and have a civil discussion about these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By using the phrase &#8220;you americans&#8221;, aren&#8217;t you doing some oversimplification of your own? Many Americans do tend to think in terms of us vs. them, but that&#8217;s a human characteristic, not exclusively American. Thoughtful people everywhere, even in the US, know life is much more complex than that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll grant that in the US, there are tremendous political, media and cultural forces driving us toward simplification and polarization. We have a 2 party political system whose leaders pander to the activists in their party to get nominated, then find themselves being held to extreme campaign promises. News media compete to be first with a story even when the story is still unfolding and the facts aren&#8217;t all available. This is quickly followed by the drive to cast the story into simple labels, such as &#8220;lone nut&#8221; or &#8220;right wing nut&#8221;, and facts become almost irrelevant to the narrative. Then the pundits chime in with using the story as a prop for their agendas and the narratives they want to push. The mock-editorial &#8220;Why the Bombings Mean That We Must Support My Politics&#8221; (re-posted here earlier this morning) captures captures the thinking and tone of our many of our &#8220;thought leaders&#8221;.</p>
<p>Considering the rampant anti-intellectualism (the previous occupant of the White House put voice to a common attitude when he said &#8220;I don&#8217;t do nuance&#8221;), and the Manichean world-view among many Christians in the US, I&#8217;m glad there are forums such Boing Boing where we can &#8220;do nuance&#8221; and have a civil discussion about these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-990507</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed: from now on, any political depiction of the Crosshairs Symbol must have a diagonal red line through it. 

/dusts off hands; goes back to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed: from now on, any political depiction of the Crosshairs Symbol must have a diagonal red line through it. </p>
<p>/dusts off hands; goes back to work.</p>
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		<title>By: TheCrawNotTheCraw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989743</link>
		<dc:creator>TheCrawNotTheCraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whatever it takes to turn what so far appears to be a lone wolf into a rogue elephant.&quot;

1. It is human to seek patterns in events.  It may even be an evolutionary advantage.

2. Sometimes, a cigar really *just is* a cigar.  But usually, it&#039;s a phallic symbol being smoked by a dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whatever it takes to turn what so far appears to be a lone wolf into a rogue elephant.&#8221;</p>
<p>1. It is human to seek patterns in events.  It may even be an evolutionary advantage.</p>
<p>2. Sometimes, a cigar really *just is* a cigar.  But usually, it&#8217;s a phallic symbol being smoked by a dick.</p>
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		<title>By: forgeweld</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-990009</link>
		<dc:creator>forgeweld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The massacre in Tucson is, in a sense, irrelevant to the important point.&quot; The important point being whatever George Parker thinks. The massacre is not at all irrelevant to people struggling to recover from the shooting, including the Congresswoman, and the families, friends and community that have been damaged by this horror. Just because something puts an especially fine point on whatever social or political argument you would like to make doesn&#039;t mean you get to define away its real significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The massacre in Tucson is, in a sense, irrelevant to the important point.&#8221; The important point being whatever George Parker thinks. The massacre is not at all irrelevant to people struggling to recover from the shooting, including the Congresswoman, and the families, friends and community that have been damaged by this horror. Just because something puts an especially fine point on whatever social or political argument you would like to make doesn&#8217;t mean you get to define away its real significance.</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989760</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Craw/NotCraw:

If a prominent Mormon is shot tomorrow, do you think it&#039;s reasonable to start posting that West Hollywood Fuck the Mormons sign and all the Prop 8 vitriol and hate speech so as to, without any evidence, blame gay activists for the shooting? I don&#039;t. But no time was wasted doing it in this case. Admittedly, politics is bigger theater than my example. But I think the point has validity.

It&#039;s early in the Giffords case. The guy reads like a loon. But we may yet discover he WAS driven to a &quot;righteous kill&quot; by political hot talk. Time and evidence will tell. 

 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Craw/NotCraw:</p>
<p>If a prominent Mormon is shot tomorrow, do you think it&#8217;s reasonable to start posting that West Hollywood Fuck the Mormons sign and all the Prop 8 vitriol and hate speech so as to, without any evidence, blame gay activists for the shooting? I don&#8217;t. But no time was wasted doing it in this case. Admittedly, politics is bigger theater than my example. But I think the point has validity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s early in the Giffords case. The guy reads like a loon. But we may yet discover he WAS driven to a &#8220;righteous kill&#8221; by political hot talk. Time and evidence will tell. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a gay activist site put a crosshairs symbol on top of that person&#039;s church on a map, yeah, I&#039;d consider it salient information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a gay activist site put a crosshairs symbol on top of that person&#8217;s church on a map, yeah, I&#8217;d consider it salient information.</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989780</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, that&#039;s an answer. Did the shooter see Palin&#039;s site? I don&#039;t know. Words like &quot;target&quot; and &quot;crosshairs&quot; have been part of the strategic and tactical language of politics for a long time. As has &quot;strategic&quot; and &quot;tactical&quot; and &quot;campaign&quot; and other militaristic terms. Using crosshairs symbolism on a map targeting candidates to defeat is not a stretch. Clearly, in light of what&#039;s happened, it&#039;s eminently regrettable art direction and in tragically poor taste. It won&#039;t be approved again by any campaign manager. But around here Palin&#039;s crosshairs on a map has been treated as a motivating factor. As yet, unknown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, that&#8217;s an answer. Did the shooter see Palin&#8217;s site? I don&#8217;t know. Words like &#8220;target&#8221; and &#8220;crosshairs&#8221; have been part of the strategic and tactical language of politics for a long time. As has &#8220;strategic&#8221; and &#8220;tactical&#8221; and &#8220;campaign&#8221; and other militaristic terms. Using crosshairs symbolism on a map targeting candidates to defeat is not a stretch. Clearly, in light of what&#8217;s happened, it&#8217;s eminently regrettable art direction and in tragically poor taste. It won&#8217;t be approved again by any campaign manager. But around here Palin&#8217;s crosshairs on a map has been treated as a motivating factor. As yet, unknown.</p>
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		<title>By: DJBudSonic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989793</link>
		<dc:creator>DJBudSonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article:

&quot;He is fond of â€œAnimal Farmâ€; George Orwell didn&#039;t guide the hand that pulled the automatic pistol&#039;s trigger.&quot;

Where did the shooter get an &quot;automatic pistol&quot;?  I think the word automatic was chosen to ignite/incite gun rights debate - or the reporter is uninformed. I would be very surprised if it was an automatic pistol - semi-auto maybe, which is legal to own (for good or ill).  Guns can be terrible, dangerous things, to be sure.   But that genie is not going back in the bottle any time soon.  There are just too many, and like the constitutionally-protected speech on this very page, their &#039;well-regulated&#039; use is a part of the national fabric. 

Remember, like the bumper sticker said:

&quot;Guns kill people like the spoon made Rosie O&#039;Donnell fat.&quot;

That being said, I am appalled at the lax carry laws on the books in Arizona and some other states.  A license to carry a weapon of any sort should have the same gravity AT LEAST as being allowed to drive a car.  Automobiles are of course a much bigger threat to life and limb on a statistical basis, and in my sad personal experiences.  If people would like to help keep guns out of the hands of rights-abusers like this shooter, contact your state officials and demand that they enforce the laws already on the books; and strengthen the concealed-carry requirements, which can even vary from county to county within a state.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;He is fond of â€œAnimal Farmâ€; George Orwell didn&#8217;t guide the hand that pulled the automatic pistol&#8217;s trigger.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where did the shooter get an &#8220;automatic pistol&#8221;?  I think the word automatic was chosen to ignite/incite gun rights debate &#8211; or the reporter is uninformed. I would be very surprised if it was an automatic pistol &#8211; semi-auto maybe, which is legal to own (for good or ill).  Guns can be terrible, dangerous things, to be sure.   But that genie is not going back in the bottle any time soon.  There are just too many, and like the constitutionally-protected speech on this very page, their &#8216;well-regulated&#8217; use is a part of the national fabric. </p>
<p>Remember, like the bumper sticker said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Guns kill people like the spoon made Rosie O&#8217;Donnell fat.&#8221;</p>
<p>That being said, I am appalled at the lax carry laws on the books in Arizona and some other states.  A license to carry a weapon of any sort should have the same gravity AT LEAST as being allowed to drive a car.  Automobiles are of course a much bigger threat to life and limb on a statistical basis, and in my sad personal experiences.  If people would like to help keep guns out of the hands of rights-abusers like this shooter, contact your state officials and demand that they enforce the laws already on the books; and strengthen the concealed-carry requirements, which can even vary from county to county within a state.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-990054</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clearly, in light of what&#039;s happened, it&#039;s eminently regrettable art direction and in tragically poor taste. It won&#039;t be approved again by any campaign manager.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I want to believe that&#039;s true but this is hardly the first time there was an assassination attempt against an American politician during a period of bitter partisan discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clearly, in light of what&#8217;s happened, it&#8217;s eminently regrettable art direction and in tragically poor taste. It won&#8217;t be approved again by any campaign manager.</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to believe that&#8217;s true but this is hardly the first time there was an assassination attempt against an American politician during a period of bitter partisan discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously? If Betty Friedan called for the elimination of housewives in that neighborhood two months prior you wouldn&#039;t draw ANY possible connection? 

water-carrying fail. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously? If Betty Friedan called for the elimination of housewives in that neighborhood two months prior you wouldn&#8217;t draw ANY possible connection? </p>
<p>water-carrying fail. </p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
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		<description>packer is an eyewitness on the static. he helped sell the iraq invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>packer is an eyewitness on the static. he helped sell the iraq invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. The 70s had bitter political discourse and 3 attempts at Presidents. Hinckley tried to kill Reagan, but he was just a crazy man. Fromme tried to kill Gerald Ford, but she was just a crazy Manson member. Only Sara Jane Moore, who also tried to kill Ford, had political motivations.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. The 70s had bitter political discourse and 3 attempts at Presidents. Hinckley tried to kill Reagan, but he was just a crazy man. Fromme tried to kill Gerald Ford, but she was just a crazy Manson member. Only Sara Jane Moore, who also tried to kill Ford, had political motivations.  </p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-990129</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s much of a stretch to say that if any prominent Democrats had been circulating literature depicting Ford or Reagan in gun crosshairs at the time they would have been justifiably chastised by their contemporaries and the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s much of a stretch to say that if any prominent Democrats had been circulating literature depicting Ford or Reagan in gun crosshairs at the time they would have been justifiably chastised by their contemporaries and the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Nonentity</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989664</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonentity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatever it takes to turn what so far appears to be a lone wolf into a rogue elephant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This would be a far more interesting observation if people hadn&#039;t been noticing, talking about, and generally decrying the steady increase in violent rhetoric for quite some time, and the increase in violent actions that has accompanied it.

Are you really so blinded by the &quot;my side is being persecuted!&quot; reaction that you are unable to see the point?  Are you only capable of breaking the discourse down as a conflict between two political ideologies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whatever it takes to turn what so far appears to be a lone wolf into a rogue elephant.</p></blockquote>
<p>This would be a far more interesting observation if people hadn&#8217;t been noticing, talking about, and generally decrying the steady increase in violent rhetoric for quite some time, and the increase in violent actions that has accompanied it.</p>
<p>Are you really so blinded by the &#8220;my side is being persecuted!&#8221; reaction that you are unable to see the point?  Are you only capable of breaking the discourse down as a conflict between two political ideologies?</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989424</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Giffords fights for her life, the wags wag. Now that the shooter can&#039;t be immediately identified as a Tea Partier, Palin-follower or even a Republican, his triggering mechanism is now hate speech, the left&#039;s equivalent of the right&#039;s &quot;socialist&quot;. Hate speech is mostly found, to quote Packer, on &quot;political frequencies&quot; (you know, the radio) home of the Limbaughs, Becks, et alia. Of course. Whatever it takes to turn what so far appears to be a lone wolf into a rogue elephant.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Giffords fights for her life, the wags wag. Now that the shooter can&#8217;t be immediately identified as a Tea Partier, Palin-follower or even a Republican, his triggering mechanism is now hate speech, the left&#8217;s equivalent of the right&#8217;s &#8220;socialist&#8221;. Hate speech is mostly found, to quote Packer, on &#8220;political frequencies&#8221; (you know, the radio) home of the Limbaughs, Becks, et alia. Of course. Whatever it takes to turn what so far appears to be a lone wolf into a rogue elephant.  </p>
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		<title>By: irksome</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989426</link>
		<dc:creator>irksome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent article; I would only add that when one wholly demonizes ones political opponent, any form of compromise becomes impossible, for to find a middle ground would mean that one has acquiesced to said evil and has thus delegitimized ones own principles.

I would also add that both the right and the left have been guilty of this, &#039;though I find the blame for the current extremist tone of  to lie solely with the political right. Crosshairs, references to reloading and to &quot;taking back&quot; OUR Constitution must be &quot;refudiated&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent article; I would only add that when one wholly demonizes ones political opponent, any form of compromise becomes impossible, for to find a middle ground would mean that one has acquiesced to said evil and has thus delegitimized ones own principles.</p>
<p>I would also add that both the right and the left have been guilty of this, &#8216;though I find the blame for the current extremist tone of  to lie solely with the political right. Crosshairs, references to reloading and to &#8220;taking back&#8221; OUR Constitution must be &#8220;refudiated&#8221;. </p>
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		<title>By: abstract_reg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989430</link>
		<dc:creator>abstract_reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is obvious from looking at Jared Loughner&#039;s youtube posts that the man was politicly minded. These attacks are certainly political in nature. However politics IS NOT a diatomic left-right thing, despite the way American media portrays it. Politics is way more complicated than that. This man was at least partially motivated by political reasons, and just because he is crazy does not let any American off-the-hook. All Americans today need to do some introspection and decide what sort of language they want to hear from their politicians. Sarah Palin and the Tea-Party are not directly responsible for the blood in Arizona, but they certainly contributed to the atmosphere. Time to start thinking of you opponents as humans instead of obstacles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is obvious from looking at Jared Loughner&#8217;s youtube posts that the man was politicly minded. These attacks are certainly political in nature. However politics IS NOT a diatomic left-right thing, despite the way American media portrays it. Politics is way more complicated than that. This man was at least partially motivated by political reasons, and just because he is crazy does not let any American off-the-hook. All Americans today need to do some introspection and decide what sort of language they want to hear from their politicians. Sarah Palin and the Tea-Party are not directly responsible for the blood in Arizona, but they certainly contributed to the atmosphere. Time to start thinking of you opponents as humans instead of obstacles.</p>
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		<title>By: danwebb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989689</link>
		<dc:creator>danwebb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how many people are killed by shootings in America, that there&#039;s so little discussion and effort to do something about gun ownership.

People have guns = people kill people. 

&quot;Oh but he&#039;s a nut job&quot;, every time someone does this, is NOT a reason for the population at large to have guns.

Excuse me, but DUH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how many people are killed by shootings in America, that there&#8217;s so little discussion and effort to do something about gun ownership.</p>
<p>People have guns = people kill people. </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh but he&#8217;s a nut job&#8221;, every time someone does this, is NOT a reason for the population at large to have guns.</p>
<p>Excuse me, but DUH.</p>
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		<title>By: fxq</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989435</link>
		<dc:creator>fxq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense an upcoming argument the media will seize upon: Which political party attracts more schizophrenics? This is a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sense an upcoming argument the media will seize upon: Which political party attracts more schizophrenics? This is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Geo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989949</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media&#039;s attempts to be equivocal and &quot;balanced&quot; masks the scale of right wing vitriol. At this point in time we don&#039;t see left wing screamers having anywhere near the audience that dangerous blowhards like Limbaugh and Beck do. You can certainly &lt;i&gt;find&lt;/i&gt; similar wide eyed screaming nut jobs on the left -but we don&#039;t let &#039;em drive our bus.

The characteristics of right wing speech, involving intense emotion, rigid adherence to doctrine and rampant counter-factual propaganda should be red flags to any fan of civil discussion. That kind of speech, while legal and protected, as speech should be, is irresponsible and can create a culture of demonization where your opponents are no longer seen as human. Indeed, in the conservative worldview, any opposition to that worldview is seen as inherently immoral. 

When you think you are always right and everyone else is always wrong, you need to do a little intellectual soul searching.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media&#8217;s attempts to be equivocal and &#8220;balanced&#8221; masks the scale of right wing vitriol. At this point in time we don&#8217;t see left wing screamers having anywhere near the audience that dangerous blowhards like Limbaugh and Beck do. You can certainly <i>find</i> similar wide eyed screaming nut jobs on the left -but we don&#8217;t let &#8216;em drive our bus.</p>
<p>The characteristics of right wing speech, involving intense emotion, rigid adherence to doctrine and rampant counter-factual propaganda should be red flags to any fan of civil discussion. That kind of speech, while legal and protected, as speech should be, is irresponsible and can create a culture of demonization where your opponents are no longer seen as human. Indeed, in the conservative worldview, any opposition to that worldview is seen as inherently immoral. </p>
<p>When you think you are always right and everyone else is always wrong, you need to do a little intellectual soul searching.</p>
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		<title>By: donniebnyc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/09/george-packer-it-doe.html#comment-989950</link>
		<dc:creator>donniebnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the crosshairs graphic an isolated incident I might consider your argument valid.  However, you must admit we have been recently bombarded by violent rhetoric on an epic scale.  &quot;Second amendment remedies,&quot; &quot;don&#039;t retreat, reload,&quot; and the constant demagoguery of Beck, Limbaugh, et al, cannot be ignored.  

Also, I will consider the unfairness of targeting rightwingers, when someone posts links to similar violent rhetoric used by the left even half as often as it is used by the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the crosshairs graphic an isolated incident I might consider your argument valid.  However, you must admit we have been recently bombarded by violent rhetoric on an epic scale.  &#8220;Second amendment remedies,&#8221; &#8220;don&#8217;t retreat, reload,&#8221; and the constant demagoguery of Beck, Limbaugh, et al, cannot be ignored.  </p>
<p>Also, I will consider the unfairness of targeting rightwingers, when someone posts links to similar violent rhetoric used by the left even half as often as it is used by the right.</p>
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