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		<title>By: freshacconci</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-991233</link>
		<dc:creator>freshacconci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll hold my breath with you for the day the UK issues a Sid Vicious stamp. We&#039;ll see who passes out first.</description>
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		<title>By: Rajio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990471</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure but the artist&#039;s process involved smoking.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990216</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you guys are over-thinking this. It&#039;s not about a government agenda.

Maybe the cigarettes were removed because people in general have a negative reaction to seeing smoking, more so now than decades ago when the photographs were taken.

When you&#039;re creating an image (or a sculpture, or a story), authenticity should be balanced against artistic license when engineering the product that&#039;s most likely to evoke the kind of reaction you want. It&#039;s almost like translation: You don&#039;t just dump some literal and raw content into a new context, you tweak it to take the new context into effect so that in the end it has about the same impact that it did in the original context.

If you want to create an image of someone, an image that people will react positively to, then it&#039;s not necessarily unreasonable to do things like lighten up the bags under their eyes, remove extra-messy hairs or shirt wrinkles, maybe even make the neck and waist a little thinner and the jaw a little stronger, etc. Sure, it&#039;s non-trivial (and sometimes impossible) to make images that are tweaked this way look natural, but again, being accurate might not trump the other objectives of generating the image, and that&#039;s fine. Whenever you create something, there are wrestling objectives that you have to compromise.

When I see someone smoking (in the spaces I have access to, i.e. not in the privacy of their homes) I think &quot;What an asshole&quot;. Smoking is so stupid and inconsiderate and selfish and rude, it immediately lowers my image of a person when I find out they smoke. Now, &quot;smokers are assholes&quot; is far more true now than it was before, say, 1990 or thereabouts, so I know that I can&#039;t be harshly judgmental this way to smokers from history... but the urge to judge is still there. I appreciate the people who edited these images and spared me the need to fight the part of my brain that says &quot;This person is smoking; They must be an inconsiderate asshole&quot;.

In my living room I have a collage of old pictures of my parents. One of them showed my mom holding a cigarette, and I photoshopped it out. What can I say, I think it made her look like an inconsiderate jerk, and I thought I would try to spare her memory of such judgment. There&#039;s more to life than accuracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys are over-thinking this. It&#8217;s not about a government agenda.</p>
<p>Maybe the cigarettes were removed because people in general have a negative reaction to seeing smoking, more so now than decades ago when the photographs were taken.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re creating an image (or a sculpture, or a story), authenticity should be balanced against artistic license when engineering the product that&#8217;s most likely to evoke the kind of reaction you want. It&#8217;s almost like translation: You don&#8217;t just dump some literal and raw content into a new context, you tweak it to take the new context into effect so that in the end it has about the same impact that it did in the original context.</p>
<p>If you want to create an image of someone, an image that people will react positively to, then it&#8217;s not necessarily unreasonable to do things like lighten up the bags under their eyes, remove extra-messy hairs or shirt wrinkles, maybe even make the neck and waist a little thinner and the jaw a little stronger, etc. Sure, it&#8217;s non-trivial (and sometimes impossible) to make images that are tweaked this way look natural, but again, being accurate might not trump the other objectives of generating the image, and that&#8217;s fine. Whenever you create something, there are wrestling objectives that you have to compromise.</p>
<p>When I see someone smoking (in the spaces I have access to, i.e. not in the privacy of their homes) I think &#8220;What an asshole&#8221;. Smoking is so stupid and inconsiderate and selfish and rude, it immediately lowers my image of a person when I find out they smoke. Now, &#8220;smokers are assholes&#8221; is far more true now than it was before, say, 1990 or thereabouts, so I know that I can&#8217;t be harshly judgmental this way to smokers from history&#8230; but the urge to judge is still there. I appreciate the people who edited these images and spared me the need to fight the part of my brain that says &#8220;This person is smoking; They must be an inconsiderate asshole&#8221;.</p>
<p>In my living room I have a collage of old pictures of my parents. One of them showed my mom holding a cigarette, and I photoshopped it out. What can I say, I think it made her look like an inconsiderate jerk, and I thought I would try to spare her memory of such judgment. There&#8217;s more to life than accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990984</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting mighty crowded in the Memory Hole these days.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimbo2K7</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990218</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo2K7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? The portrayal of the man&#039;s addiction to tobacco is a representation of the artist&#039;s identity and is a testament to the artistic expression of the free will of man? 

What a specious argument.

The tiny canvas of a postage stamp only allows so much. To devote a millimeter to a cigarette is a silly waste of space. </description>
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<p>What a specious argument.</p>
<p>The tiny canvas of a postage stamp only allows so much. To devote a millimeter to a cigarette is a silly waste of space. </p>
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		<title>By: kpkpkp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990222</link>
		<dc:creator>kpkpkp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say it with me... &quot;But what about the children?&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Hools Verne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990480</link>
		<dc:creator>Hools Verne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get the idea that if you don&#039;t whitewash history away, you are somehow tacitly approving of it.</description>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990230</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to chime in to agree with those saying that these are bad illustrations. I think that&#039;s the real problem here, not the removal of the cigarettes (though I appreciate the various arguments fully). The Pollack one is OK, certainly serviceable for a stamp (though in my mind, stamps should have great artwork), but the Robert Johnson is just awful. I&#039;d expect to see something like that in the dumpster outside of the art building at a small liberal arts college at the end of the semester.

The R. Crumb illustration is wonderful, and perfectly captures - and exaggerates *just so* - the essence of what made the original photo iconic in the first place, which is the guy&#039;s character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to chime in to agree with those saying that these are bad illustrations. I think that&#8217;s the real problem here, not the removal of the cigarettes (though I appreciate the various arguments fully). The Pollack one is OK, certainly serviceable for a stamp (though in my mind, stamps should have great artwork), but the Robert Johnson is just awful. I&#8217;d expect to see something like that in the dumpster outside of the art building at a small liberal arts college at the end of the semester.</p>
<p>The R. Crumb illustration is wonderful, and perfectly captures &#8211; and exaggerates *just so* &#8211; the essence of what made the original photo iconic in the first place, which is the guy&#8217;s character.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990743</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that I would consider the actual artistic works of these two people to be of greater value to posterity than evidence of their drug addictions.

I look foward with interest to twenty or so years in the future, when the next generation of dead artists is likely to be commemorated on stamps, as to whether similar complaints will be made about depictions of stars of the `sixties and `seventies if they fail to show those people popping pills, snorting coke or shooting up, or whatever their own personal addictions happened to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that I would consider the actual artistic works of these two people to be of greater value to posterity than evidence of their drug addictions.</p>
<p>I look foward with interest to twenty or so years in the future, when the next generation of dead artists is likely to be commemorated on stamps, as to whether similar complaints will be made about depictions of stars of the `sixties and `seventies if they fail to show those people popping pills, snorting coke or shooting up, or whatever their own personal addictions happened to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990232</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When you see any formal portrait of Walt Disney holding a pencil, that&#039;s a pencil airbrushed over a cigarette.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you&#039;re saying the massive lung tumor that killed him wasn&#039;t caused by graphite poisoning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When you see any formal portrait of Walt Disney holding a pencil, that&#8217;s a pencil airbrushed over a cigarette.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying the massive lung tumor that killed him wasn&#8217;t caused by graphite poisoning?</p>
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		<title>By: Avram / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990491</link>
		<dc:creator>Avram / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I think of Pollack, I think of the story about him taking a whiz in Peggy Guggenheim&#039;s fireplace. Let&#039;s have &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; on a stamp! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think of Pollack, I think of the story about him taking a whiz in Peggy Guggenheim&#8217;s fireplace. Let&#8217;s have <em>that</em> on a stamp! </p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990238</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s not my argument at all. My argument is that the editorial process nullified the agency of the original photographer, not explicitly. 

If this were Vogue i&#039;d point an laugh. This is removing someone&#039;s &quot;faults&quot; so they can be more admired - when the same editorial choice could me made by using a different photo. 

This is more like, instead of George Lucas making the widely questioned choice to edit unpopular and contentious rifles out of E.T. - the government doing it. It&#039;s Lucas&#039; prerogative. It is not the governments prerogative. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s not my argument at all. My argument is that the editorial process nullified the agency of the original photographer, not explicitly. </p>
<p>If this were Vogue i&#8217;d point an laugh. This is removing someone&#8217;s &#8220;faults&#8221; so they can be more admired &#8211; when the same editorial choice could me made by using a different photo. </p>
<p>This is more like, instead of George Lucas making the widely questioned choice to edit unpopular and contentious rifles out of E.T. &#8211; the government doing it. It&#8217;s Lucas&#8217; prerogative. It is not the governments prerogative. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990494</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who cares if we muck up their expressions just as long as people don&#039;t see them smoking. The lack of a cigarette is more important than whatshisnames face.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who cares if we muck up their expressions just as long as people don&#8217;t see them smoking. The lack of a cigarette is more important than whatshisnames face.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there were empty quart bottles of whatever in the original picture, do  you think they&#039;d make it onto the stamp?

I assume that neither the subjects nor the original photographers would agree to these sanitized versions. Pretty darned sure of that in the case of Pollock.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there were empty quart bottles of whatever in the original picture, do  you think they&#8217;d make it onto the stamp?</p>
<p>I assume that neither the subjects nor the original photographers would agree to these sanitized versions. Pretty darned sure of that in the case of Pollock.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tdawwg/mdh: interesting discussion! I see a substantial difference between printing a JP artwork in BW and editing out prominent components from iconic photographs (i.e. other artworks) as a means (with empirically unverified effectiveness) to social-political goals. The photo shows what it shows and is iconic. If cigarette&#039;s (and, evidently, ears, eyes and lips) in certain iconic (art) photographies are deemed problematic then the stamp people should look for some other image to use for the stamp.

All that has, I think, strong intuitive force. Now, WHY is it so important to not bluntly edit iconic photos? What is wrong with doing so (if anything)? That is harder to explain. I think one reason is that iconic photos (iconic anything, really) are important nodes in our collective memory. Shared reference points that we can secure conversations and thoughts about history to. That is a fragile yet important thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tdawwg/mdh: interesting discussion! I see a substantial difference between printing a JP artwork in BW and editing out prominent components from iconic photographs (i.e. other artworks) as a means (with empirically unverified effectiveness) to social-political goals. The photo shows what it shows and is iconic. If cigarette&#8217;s (and, evidently, ears, eyes and lips) in certain iconic (art) photographies are deemed problematic then the stamp people should look for some other image to use for the stamp.</p>
<p>All that has, I think, strong intuitive force. Now, WHY is it so important to not bluntly edit iconic photos? What is wrong with doing so (if anything)? That is harder to explain. I think one reason is that iconic photos (iconic anything, really) are important nodes in our collective memory. Shared reference points that we can secure conversations and thoughts about history to. That is a fragile yet important thing.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you&#039;re saying, but a postage stamp IS actually issued to memorialize, and larger versions are sold and displayed in lots of places. 

If you don&#039;t like your iconic image of choice, find another one, don&#039;t literally photoshop history to suit today&#039;s agenda. It&#039;s like pretending Jefferson didn&#039;t sleep with his slaves, or Nixon didn;t use racial slurs. Ugly truths, in todays light, but truths nonetheless. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying, but a postage stamp IS actually issued to memorialize, and larger versions are sold and displayed in lots of places. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like your iconic image of choice, find another one, don&#8217;t literally photoshop history to suit today&#8217;s agenda. It&#8217;s like pretending Jefferson didn&#8217;t sleep with his slaves, or Nixon didn;t use racial slurs. Ugly truths, in todays light, but truths nonetheless. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just impressed that there&#039;s a Robert Johnson stamp, even if I&#039;m not impressed with the illustration itself.</description>
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		<title>By: grimc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990248</link>
		<dc:creator>grimc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never read that, but a character in the book Jurassic Park (or maybe it was Congo) made his millions by coming up with an algorithm to erase smoke from old movies.</description>
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		<title>By: freshacconci</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990504</link>
		<dc:creator>freshacconci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now we&#039;re talking a whole series. How about a wrecked Oldsmobile? </description>
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		<title>By: MrWednesday</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990258</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWednesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine them doing this to John Constantine.</description>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdawwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am breathlessly awaiting the stamp showing Jefferson &lt;i&gt;in flagrante&lt;/i&gt; with Sally Hemings, bewbs and all.</description>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/time-traveling-cigar.html#comment-990271</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I am anxiously awaiting a photograph of Jefferson.</description>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. I came back to this. Why I&#039;m so freaking fascinated with ugly stamps I don&#039;t know, but I think the main problem is that something really has been lost in the images with the cigarettes taken out of them.

Kind of like airbrushing a cocktail out of Ernest Hemingway&#039;s hands. 

Especially since they used iconic images. Especially, in the case of Johnson, where the cigarette is a major focus of the picture.

&quot;I look foward with interest to twenty or so years in the future, when the next generation of dead artists is likely to be commemorated on stamps, as to whether similar complaints will be made about depictions of stars of the `sixties and `seventies if they fail to show those people popping pills, snorting coke or shooting up, or whatever their own personal addictions happened to be.&quot;

Well if they use an iconic image of the drug, yeah.  For instanced if they decide to use the famous image of Sid Vicious shooting up heroin, but take out the needle so it looks like he&#039;s just scratching his arm in a weird way... yeah.

One would wonder why they didn&#039;t just.... you know... use another image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. I came back to this. Why I&#8217;m so freaking fascinated with ugly stamps I don&#8217;t know, but I think the main problem is that something really has been lost in the images with the cigarettes taken out of them.</p>
<p>Kind of like airbrushing a cocktail out of Ernest Hemingway&#8217;s hands. </p>
<p>Especially since they used iconic images. Especially, in the case of Johnson, where the cigarette is a major focus of the picture.</p>
<p>&#8220;I look foward with interest to twenty or so years in the future, when the next generation of dead artists is likely to be commemorated on stamps, as to whether similar complaints will be made about depictions of stars of the `sixties and `seventies if they fail to show those people popping pills, snorting coke or shooting up, or whatever their own personal addictions happened to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well if they use an iconic image of the drug, yeah.  For instanced if they decide to use the famous image of Sid Vicious shooting up heroin, but take out the needle so it looks like he&#8217;s just scratching his arm in a weird way&#8230; yeah.</p>
<p>One would wonder why they didn&#8217;t just&#8230;. you know&#8230; use another image.</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sure are hung up on some old stuff that hardly anyone in the contemporary art world cares about beyond the odd art appreciation class they may have to teach. I&#039;ll tell you what I really hate. Freaking Fauvism. DAMN THEM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sure are hung up on some old stuff that hardly anyone in the contemporary art world cares about beyond the odd art appreciation class they may have to teach. I&#8217;ll tell you what I really hate. Freaking Fauvism. DAMN THEM!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>you have been misinformed. of course you can reproduce the swastika in historic context. and in artistic context, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have been misinformed. of course you can reproduce the swastika in historic context. and in artistic context, too.</p>
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		<title>By: freetard</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ghost From The Grand Banks&lt;/i&gt; was somewhat prescient, perhaps- the massive anti-smoking movement we are in now had barely started in 1990 when Clarke wrote it. Hell, you could barely find restaurants with separate smoking sections in 1990! More prescient I think were Clarke&#039;s theories about using software to do the heavy lifting in video processing, rather than employing hordes of cheap labourers to rotoscope every frame.

He did miss the boat (so to speak) in that story where the Titanic was concerned, not even guessing she was broken in half.

Still a very good story, and the place I got my first exposure to the Mandelbrot Set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ghost From The Grand Banks</i> was somewhat prescient, perhaps- the massive anti-smoking movement we are in now had barely started in 1990 when Clarke wrote it. Hell, you could barely find restaurants with separate smoking sections in 1990! More prescient I think were Clarke&#8217;s theories about using software to do the heavy lifting in video processing, rather than employing hordes of cheap labourers to rotoscope every frame.</p>
<p>He did miss the boat (so to speak) in that story where the Titanic was concerned, not even guessing she was broken in half.</p>
<p>Still a very good story, and the place I got my first exposure to the Mandelbrot Set.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Given that art is the practice of expression and generating an emotive response then how does the application of the paint change its desigantion?

Or do you prefer accurately drawn boats?

idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that art is the practice of expression and generating an emotive response then how does the application of the paint change its desigantion?</p>
<p>Or do you prefer accurately drawn boats?</p>
<p>idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
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		<description>And of his bewbs, natch.</description>
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		<title>By: peterbruells</title>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;


If you want to create an image of someone, an image that people will react positively to, then it&#039;s not necessarily unreasonable to do things like lighten up the bags under their eyes, remove extra-messy hairs or shirt wrinkles, maybe even make the neck and waist a little thinner and the jaw a little stronger, etc.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like the skin whiter.
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<p>If you want to create an image of someone, an image that people will react positively to, then it&#8217;s not necessarily unreasonable to do things like lighten up the bags under their eyes, remove extra-messy hairs or shirt wrinkles, maybe even make the neck and waist a little thinner and the jaw a little stronger, etc.
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<p>Like the skin whiter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>&quot;Think of it this way, a monkey or elephant picks up a brush and does the same thing â€¦is that â€œartâ€ in the real sense of the word ? Is the monkey expressing his feeling, is he trying to invoke emotions ? &quot;

You answer your own question.

It&#039;s the intent behind the image that makes it art ... technically speaking.  However you could also argue that a simple &#039;image&#039; created by an elephant is still art.  Either definition supports it.

How do you define art?  Something nice to look at?  Cause plenty of people like looking at abstract pieces.

I think what you&#039;re actually insinuating is that things you don&#039;t like aren&#039;t art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Think of it this way, a monkey or elephant picks up a brush and does the same thing â€¦is that â€œartâ€ in the real sense of the word ? Is the monkey expressing his feeling, is he trying to invoke emotions ? &#8221;</p>
<p>You answer your own question.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the intent behind the image that makes it art &#8230; technically speaking.  However you could also argue that a simple &#8216;image&#8217; created by an elephant is still art.  Either definition supports it.</p>
<p>How do you define art?  Something nice to look at?  Cause plenty of people like looking at abstract pieces.</p>
<p>I think what you&#8217;re actually insinuating is that things you don&#8217;t like aren&#8217;t art.</p>
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