Comments on: Who is fixing your plane, and how? Frontline dumpster-dives into repair outsourcing http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 08:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999169 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999169 Do you mean to tell me that in the (failed) experiment of Capitalism, where nothing - NOTHING - is more important than profit, that a company would low-bid something as important to safety as airline repair? Say it isn't so. Do you mean to tell me that in the (failed) experiment of Capitalism, where nothing – NOTHING – is more important than profit, that a company would low-bid something as important to safety as airline repair? Say it isn’t so.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999171 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999171 dont worry airlines, republicans will refuse to fund any regulation or oversight and then only due so after a much costlier disaster occurs with the added bonus of lots of destruction and human suffering and death. and then theyll say, "no one could have predicted." dont worry airlines, republicans will refuse to fund any regulation or oversight and then only due so after a much costlier disaster occurs with the added bonus of lots of destruction and human suffering and death. and then theyll say, “no one could have predicted.”

]]> By: Patrick Austin http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999187 Patrick Austin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999187 A relative of mine works for a company on the east coast that does repairs for several airlines. It's his job to rubber stamp things to verify that the work/inspections have been done. From talking to him it's pretty clear that the nature of his job doesn't allow him to know for sure that the work was done and that the guys doing the work have LOTS of reasons to do things quickly and/or not do them at all. So, yeah. Basically the chain of responsibility is so very, very long that everyone has some plausible deniability should something bad happen. The airline covers its ass by farming the work out to a bunch of small companies, and any given small company is unlikely to be involved in an accident AND the FDA maintains enough distance to point fingers. So that's a win-win. Or, uh, something. We're just lucky that the birds are, in general, REALLY well built and failure tolerant. A relative of mine works for a company on the east coast that does repairs for several airlines. It’s his job to rubber stamp things to verify that the work/inspections have been done. From talking to him it’s pretty clear that the nature of his job doesn’t allow him to know for sure that the work was done and that the guys doing the work have LOTS of reasons to do things quickly and/or not do them at all. So, yeah. Basically the chain of responsibility is so very, very long that everyone has some plausible deniability should something bad happen.

The airline covers its ass by farming the work out to a bunch of small companies, and any given small company is unlikely to be involved in an accident AND the FDA maintains enough distance to point fingers. So that’s a win-win. Or, uh, something.

We’re just lucky that the birds are, in general, REALLY well built and failure tolerant.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999702 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999702 And cutting on maintenance is stupid also, because a crashed plane costs WAY more than maintaining it properly... And cutting on maintenance is stupid also, because a crashed plane costs WAY more than maintaining it properly…

]]> By: DarthVain http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999241 DarthVain Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999241 I actually watched the show last night. It was horrible enough that I had to turn it off. I found it biased as well as racist and xenophobic. I will admit that the show did bring to light some serious issues. The big one being accountability, and the fact that the pressure to constantly be faster/cheaper than everyone will erode safety. I thought the FDA spokesperson was correct, however despite the negative spin they tried to spin her. Not everyone that works has to be licensed, only those that need to. Assuming that is enforced that is, but you can say the same for any license anyway. Anyway what I found disturbing was all the talk during the program about "people who can even speak English", "Foreigner", "How can they read a Boeing maintenance manual", and the idea that no one but those in the US are qualified to do such work. Then ironically enough the only plant they got access to was one in the US in Mobile Alabama. Where they got on tape US working admitting to just signing off on work not done due to time constraints. Of course they again had to show a healthy dose of visa workers, etc... Anyway I got the general idea that greed was the culprit of the risk despite all the other BS in the piece. I found it hard to believe it could make TV it was so bad. It's one thing if the subjects you are interviewing are biased and racist, but when when the interviewer is as well... I actually watched the show last night. It was horrible enough that I had to turn it off. I found it biased as well as racist and xenophobic.

I will admit that the show did bring to light some serious issues. The big one being accountability, and the fact that the pressure to constantly be faster/cheaper than everyone will erode safety.

I thought the FDA spokesperson was correct, however despite the negative spin they tried to spin her. Not everyone that works has to be licensed, only those that need to. Assuming that is enforced that is, but you can say the same for any license anyway.

Anyway what I found disturbing was all the talk during the program about “people who can even speak English”, “Foreigner”, “How can they read a Boeing maintenance manual”, and the idea that no one but those in the US are qualified to do such work. Then ironically enough the only plant they got access to was one in the US in Mobile Alabama. Where they got on tape US working admitting to just signing off on work not done due to time constraints. Of course they again had to show a healthy dose of visa workers, etc…

Anyway I got the general idea that greed was the culprit of the risk despite all the other BS in the piece. I found it hard to believe it could make TV it was so bad. It’s one thing if the subjects you are interviewing are biased and racist, but when when the interviewer is as well…

]]> By: turn_self_off http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999244 turn_self_off Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999244 Shit like this is happening in Europe as well. Gotta love globalism... Shit like this is happening in Europe as well.

Gotta love globalism…

]]> By: Kosmoid http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999025 Kosmoid Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999025 Yikes! First baby swinging, now foreigners doing airplane maintenance. I'm like TOTALLY outraged! Thanks for sharing. Yikes! First baby swinging, now foreigners doing airplane maintenance. I’m like TOTALLY outraged!

Thanks for sharing.

]]> By: drtwist http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999029 drtwist Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999029 If you think that this is bad, wait until you see the motley crew that actually builds the engines in the first place. If you think that this is bad, wait until you see the motley crew that actually builds the engines in the first place.

]]> By: turn_self_off http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-1000569 turn_self_off Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1000569 Sadly, human lives do not show up on the accounting spreadsheet, maintenance do. Sadly, human lives do not show up on the accounting spreadsheet, maintenance do.

]]> By: MrJM http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999034 MrJM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999034 Don't worry -- <i>the invisible hand of the market will solve this.</i> Don’t worry — the invisible hand of the market will solve this.

]]> By: _Username http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999293 _Username Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999293 Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd.(ST Mobile parent company) said profit rose 9 percent in the first quarter (2009) while revenue rose only 3 percent, an improvement that executives attributed to increased efficiency and sales of products with higher profits. Another example of capatialism at it's finest, profit for profit's sake... at any cost Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd.(ST Mobile parent company) said profit rose 9 percent in the first quarter (2009) while revenue rose only 3 percent, an improvement that executives attributed to increased efficiency and sales of products with higher profits.

Another example of capatialism at it’s finest, profit for profit’s sake… at any cost

]]> By: Napalm Dog http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999054 Napalm Dog Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999054 See, this is what I believe actual journalism is. Frontline is usually the first example I will give to people on how reporting can be objective and quite thorough... See, this is what I believe actual journalism is. Frontline is usually the first example I will give to people on how reporting can be objective and quite thorough…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999062 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999062 There is no 12pm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight There is no 12pm…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999840 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999840 Hopefully this is just a clever campaign to prepare the flying public for a new upgrade program: For a small fee you can upgrade to a plane maintained by certified mechanics using parts that have never been in a dumpster. Hopefully this is just a clever campaign to prepare the flying public for a new upgrade program: For a small fee you can upgrade to a plane maintained by certified mechanics using parts that have never been in a dumpster.

]]> By: hassenpfeffer http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999089 hassenpfeffer Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999089 Everything will be fine as long as no one on the flight has been irradiated and/or groped or has more than 3 oz. of shampoo in their carry-on. Everything will be fine as long as no one on the flight has been irradiated and/or groped or has more than 3 oz. of shampoo in their carry-on.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999612 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999612 I WORK at STAM. Not all of the mechanics are shady. I take pride in my work and refuse to bow down to any of the managerial "pressures". Yes there are bad managers and bad mechanics, but you can find those at your local automotive repair center. Ever pay $12 for a sprits of throttle body cleaner when the entire can costs $12; or pay "environmental" charges when no envireonmental work was done? Ever had the 19 point inspection and leave with tail lights out and no windshield washer fluid?...... I WORK at STAM. Not all of the mechanics are shady. I take pride in my work and refuse to bow down to any of the managerial “pressures”. Yes there are bad managers and bad mechanics, but you can find those at your local automotive repair center. Ever pay $12 for a sprits of throttle body cleaner when the entire can costs $12; or pay “environmental” charges when no envireonmental work was done? Ever had the 19 point inspection and leave with tail lights out and no windshield washer fluid?……

]]> By: desiredusername http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-1001690 desiredusername Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1001690 Frontline is the best journalism that I know of. Frontline is the best journalism that I know of.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999131 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999131 of course this article would of been awesome to find YESTERDAY of course this article would of been awesome to find YESTERDAY

]]> By: mn_camera http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999394 mn_camera Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999394 I do recall one of the reasons a Japanese auto manufacturer located a plant in Canada instead of Alabama was the significantly better literacy level of the available labor pool. I suspect the Canadian national healthcare system removing thousands of dollars from the cost burden of each car produced had a bit to do with it as well. I do recall one of the reasons a Japanese auto manufacturer located a plant in Canada instead of Alabama was the significantly better literacy level of the available labor pool.

I suspect the Canadian national healthcare system removing thousands of dollars from the cost burden of each car produced had a bit to do with it as well.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999144 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999144 All this AND I can get groped on the way to the plane! What a deal! All this AND I can get groped on the way to the plane!

What a deal!

]]> By: MarkM http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999916 MarkM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999916 > Glad to see that Miles is back out there again. He's really a > good reporter and I'm glad to see he's using the tools again on a > national stage. Hope he's better at reporting than transporting! He always seemed to be goldbricking at his old job. Then he scored a union gig on DS9, then, we didn't hear from him.... All the best to him & Keiko. > Glad to see that Miles is back out there again. He’s really a
> good reporter and I’m glad to see he’s using the tools again on a
> national stage.

Hope he’s better at reporting than transporting!
He always seemed to be goldbricking at his old job.
Then he scored a union gig on DS9, then, we didn’t hear from him….
All the best to him & Keiko.

]]> By: bcsizemo http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999158 bcsizemo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999158 Seriously people....you all are making fun of this stuff? It's shit like this that upsets me. The American ideology of getting the best bargain or cheapest ticket makes things like this happen. It's greed on both sides. The company has to remain profitable, and has to make those fairs as cheap as absolutely possible. Well here's the result. Outsourced repair people who are probably working long hours and not making a reasonable pay for what their skill level could be. It's one thing to have a mechanic shop on every corner. I can pick and choose until I find one that is competent. This isn't my car, it's a giant steel plane carrying me and others several miles off the Earth's surface. If something goes wrong up there it has the potential to be very very bad. I don't need the people who fly them or work on them to be tired/upset/or incompetent. Seriously people….you all are making fun of this stuff?

It’s shit like this that upsets me. The American ideology of getting the best bargain or cheapest ticket makes things like this happen. It’s greed on both sides. The company has to remain profitable, and has to make those fairs as cheap as absolutely possible. Well here’s the result. Outsourced repair people who are probably working long hours and not making a reasonable pay for what their skill level could be.

It’s one thing to have a mechanic shop on every corner. I can pick and choose until I find one that is competent. This isn’t my car, it’s a giant steel plane carrying me and others several miles off the Earth’s surface. If something goes wrong up there it has the potential to be very very bad. I don’t need the people who fly them or work on them to be tired/upset/or incompetent.

]]> By: Cochituate http://boingboing.net/2011/01/19/who-is-fixing-your-p.html#comment-999164 Cochituate Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-999164 Glad to see that Miles is back out there again. He's really a good reporter and I'm glad to see he's using the tools again on a national stage. Glad to see that Miles is back out there again. He’s really a good reporter and I’m glad to see he’s using the tools again on a national stage.

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