Comments on: EFF: FBI may have committed more than 40K intelligence violations since 9/11 http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 04:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011456 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011456 So, it was really Fraud, Bullying, Intimidation all the time huh. I thought that era ended with Hoover. Stupid of me. The general integrity of politicians has steadily declined since the sixties, so logically their selected operators should follow. So, it was really Fraud, Bullying, Intimidation all the time huh. I thought that era ended with Hoover. Stupid of me. The general integrity of politicians has steadily declined since the sixties, so logically their selected operators should follow.

]]> By: jjsaul http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011460 jjsaul Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011460 I think the only thing that would trigger more general pushback against the surveillance state would be a sense of personal violation... what if a wikileaks-style release of information just assembled a DB where we could all look up our names and find out how many phone calls, emails, and pages of data has been collected in our profile? Not the content, for privacy's sake, just the volume. OI guess it would really take release of the content for serious pushback. I think the only thing that would trigger more general pushback against the surveillance state would be a sense of personal violation… what if a wikileaks-style release of information just assembled a DB where we could all look up our names and find out how many phone calls, emails, and pages of data has been collected in our profile? Not the content, for privacy’s sake, just the volume. OI guess it would really take release of the content for serious pushback.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011470 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011470 <i>Only</i> 40K ? Only 40K ?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011508 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011508 The question remains, the big fat elephant staring at us: What are we going to do about it? The question remains, the big fat elephant staring at us: What are we going to do about it?

]]> By: egoVirus http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011787 egoVirus Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011787 Ladies and gentleman, further evidence that you're living in a police state. Get out now! Ladies and gentleman, further evidence that you’re living in a police state. Get out now!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011791 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011791 "(Y)ou've got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don't want them to suddenly feel like they've got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering up." "My general belief is that when it comes to national security, what we have to focus on is getting things right in the future as opposed to looking at what we got wrong in the past." Bush or Obama? “(Y)ou’ve got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don’t want them to suddenly feel like they’ve got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering up.”

“My general belief is that when it comes to national security, what we have to focus on is getting things right in the future as opposed to looking at what we got wrong in the past.”

Bush or Obama?

]]> By: Lobster http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011541 Lobster Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011541 These sound more like civil liberties violations to me. An intelligence violation is when someone does something stupid. :D These sound more like civil liberties violations to me. An intelligence violation is when someone does something stupid. :D

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011815 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011815 We will feel mildly to moderately irate for a few minutes, then after a bit more browsing, we'll forget all about it and do something else until the next story about abuse of our civil liberties and privacy rights. Rinse. Lather. Repeat. We will feel mildly to moderately irate for a few minutes, then after a bit more browsing, we’ll forget all about it and do something else until the next story about abuse of our civil liberties and privacy rights. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

]]> By: technogeek http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011563 technogeek Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011563 Ya authorize sloppy shortcuts, ya get sloppy shortcuts. I say again: The terrorists made us stupid. By doing so, they _won_. Ya authorize sloppy shortcuts, ya get sloppy shortcuts.

I say again: The terrorists made us stupid. By doing so, they _won_.

]]> By: ncm http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1012594 ncm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1012594 This sort of story would read very differently if the headline was, "EFF: FBI <i>agents</i> may have committed more than 40K intelligence violations since 9/11. The FBI may be above the law, but FBI agents aren't, formally. An FBI agent (or police officer, or TSA drone) acting beyond his or her lawful authority is no different from any other criminal. By my lights their punishment should be more swift and sure than anybody's. This sort of story would read very differently if the headline was, “EFF: FBI agents may have committed more than 40K intelligence violations since 9/11. The FBI may be above the law, but FBI agents aren’t, formally. An FBI agent (or police officer, or TSA drone) acting beyond his or her lawful authority is no different from any other criminal. By my lights their punishment should be more swift and sure than anybody’s.

]]> By: rebdav http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011379 rebdav Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011379 Nobody will stand up until like Egypt they are a few paychecks behind on their food bill, angry and hungry, when they have nothing to loose. In the US a pacified generation is still desperately trying to make house and car payments and can't be bothered by silly concepts like freedom or privacy that brave people once fought and died for. Nobody will stand up until like Egypt they are a few paychecks behind on their food bill, angry and hungry, when they have nothing to loose. In the US a pacified generation is still desperately trying to make house and car payments and can’t be bothered by silly concepts like freedom or privacy that brave people once fought and died for.

]]> By: spincycle http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011381 spincycle Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011381 In the wake of 9/11, many of us - and important groups like the ACLU, EFF, etc. - warned that giving too much ground on privacy and civil liberties would inevitably lead to abuses. We were told that we were unpatriotic, paranoid, pinkos/atheists/liberals/assholes/whatever. In the years since, we've seen abuse after abuse, piling upon one another so quickly that we scarcely get a chance to digest one before another two are piled on. As a result, people either don't know about these events or believe that they're minor, irregular, or intermittent. The evidence shows that they're systemic and common. In the wake of 9/11, many of us – and important groups like the ACLU, EFF, etc. – warned that giving too much ground on privacy and civil liberties would inevitably lead to abuses.

We were told that we were unpatriotic, paranoid, pinkos/atheists/liberals/assholes/whatever.

In the years since, we’ve seen abuse after abuse, piling upon one another so quickly that we scarcely get a chance to digest one before another two are piled on. As a result, people either don’t know about these events or believe that they’re minor, irregular, or intermittent. The evidence shows that they’re systemic and common.

]]> By: urbanhick http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011385 urbanhick Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011385 Imagine my (complete lack of) surprise! Imagine my (complete lack of) surprise!

]]> By: entheo http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011903 entheo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011903 egoVirus - where you do recommend for people to get out to? Don't most places have problems similar, but not the same as the US? egoVirus – where you do recommend for people to get out to? Don’t most places have problems similar, but not the same as the US?

]]> By: Zergonapal http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011400 Zergonapal Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011400 Fortunately Games Workshop recently released a FAQ that corrected a lot of problems with the offshoot Space Marine chapters, so its ok now. Fortunately Games Workshop recently released a FAQ that corrected a lot of problems with the offshoot Space Marine chapters, so its ok now.

]]> By: travtastic http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011931 travtastic Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011931 Politician lacking morals. No need to specify at this point. Politician lacking morals. No need to specify at this point.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011946 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011946 Who will prosecute the F.B.I? They are a bunch of scumbags with badges. ABOVE THE LAW! Who will prosecute the F.B.I?
They are a bunch of scumbags with badges. ABOVE THE LAW!

]]> By: taj1f http://boingboing.net/2011/01/30/eff-fbi-may-have-com.html#comment-1011440 taj1f Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1011440 The system has always been broken on both ends and in the middle. Now it's simply obvious. Very thankful to the good folks at the EFF for uncovering the truth. Mulder would be so proud. The system has always been broken on both ends and in the middle. Now it’s simply obvious.

Very thankful to the good folks at the EFF for uncovering the truth. Mulder would be so proud.

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