Comments on: DHS erroneously seizes 84,000 domains, falsely accuses them of trafficking in child porn http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 12:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029916 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029916 Disbarring the judge who signed this should be the first priority. If he can never work again, that will cause a chilling effect next time a judge is asked to sign an order such as this. After that, class action against the government or prosecuting them for libel should be next. Please, if there are lawyers or organizations that focus on this type of thing, here's your chance to beat up the ICE and get a nice paycheck at the same time!!! Disbarring the judge who signed this should be the first priority. If he can never work again, that will cause a chilling effect next time a judge is asked to sign an order such as this. After that, class action against the government or prosecuting them for libel should be next. Please, if there are lawyers or organizations that focus on this type of thing, here’s your chance to beat up the ICE and get a nice paycheck at the same time!!!

]]> By: tim http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030430 tim Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030430 <blockquote>In before someone says the terrorists won. They didn't. The corporatists did. </blockquote> The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

In before someone says the terrorists won. They didn’t. The corporatists did.

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

]]> By: mdh http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030178 mdh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030178 Yeah, home feels real safe now. Thanks DHS! Yeah, home feels real safe now. Thanks DHS!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1031205 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1031205 the key to this is "without due process" our government is out of control... time to police the police!!!! the key to this is “without due process” our government is out of control… time to police the police!!!!

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030438 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030438 right on! right on!

]]> By: Avram / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029931 Avram / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029931 I'm thinking a false accusation of trafficking in kiddie porn is pretty clear grounds for a libel or defamation lawsuit, in addition to any unlawful seizure issues. I’m thinking a false accusation of trafficking in kiddie porn is pretty clear grounds for a libel or defamation lawsuit, in addition to any unlawful seizure issues.

]]> By: zyodei http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030449 zyodei Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030449 Except that it's the US government that did this - so the people who did it would not pay the money, but merely the taxpayers. Those responsible will probably be promoted. That's what happens when, for instance, a cop shoots some innocent person - they sue, the court awards a judgment and, tralala, the taxpayers pay out millions of dollars. Except that it’s the US government that did this – so the people who did it would not pay the money, but merely the taxpayers. Those responsible will probably be promoted.

That’s what happens when, for instance, a cop shoots some innocent person – they sue, the court awards a judgment and, tralala, the taxpayers pay out millions of dollars.

]]> By: urbanspaceman http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1031233 urbanspaceman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1031233 I wonder why the DHS is tasked with policing the trafficking of child pornography and not say, the FBI? Could it be because the FBI has to operate under the rules of due process? I wonder why the DHS is tasked with policing the trafficking of child pornography and not say, the FBI? Could it be because the FBI has to operate under the rules of due process?

]]> By: CastanhasDoPara http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029966 CastanhasDoPara Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029966 Welcome to Egypt... a couple of weeks ago. They actual did something about oppressive government BS. If only people in the US had the balls to put down the big-gulp and playstation for one damn minute and actually DO something about this quickly blooming police-state. Also, yes these people should sue the pants off of the libelous jerk-wads. Too bad the damage is done and it would take years for this sort of case to wind its way through the courts. Welcome to Egypt… a couple of weeks ago. They actual did something about oppressive government BS.

If only people in the US had the balls to put down the big-gulp and playstation for one damn minute and actually DO something about this quickly blooming police-state.

Also, yes these people should sue the pants off of the libelous jerk-wads. Too bad the damage is done and it would take years for this sort of case to wind its way through the courts.

]]> By: Ipo http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030233 Ipo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030233 I have been disappeared by ICE. It is even less fun than you think. Did you know they transport prisoners in little metal boxes? I have been disappeared by ICE. It is even less fun than you think. Did you know they transport prisoners in little metal boxes?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030242 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030242 still feel like you live in the land of the free? how much of your freedom will you give up for the illusion of safety? still feel like you live in the land of the free? how much of your freedom will you give up for the illusion of safety?

]]> By: BastardNamban http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030537 BastardNamban Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030537 WHAT THE HELL is the Department of Homeland Security doing going after child porn? Let's get obvious out of the way- everyone hates child porn, except those who go after it. It's universally reviled. But the fucking DHS has NO LEGAL BEARING TO INVESTIGATE IT! THIS! This is what civil liberties advocates scream about at the top of our lungs- ends do not justify the means, especially when the ends are utter failure! It's not the child porn I'm worried about out there- it's my government overstepping their bounds, EXACTLY LIKE THIS, to go after things everyone hates, with no legal backing- so they keep creeping very quickly towards investigating you or anyone en masse for whatever the fuck they feel like! It is not lunacy to scream slippery slope and 1984 here. This is exactly how those things work! Goddamnit, someone stop these assholes, and throw them in jail already- I'm sick of this shit, it happens every day now. The USA just keeps raping the legal system and overstepping their authority to spy on the populace. WHAT THE HELL is the Department of Homeland Security doing going after child porn?

Let’s get obvious out of the way- everyone hates child porn, except those who go after it. It’s universally reviled.

But the fucking DHS has NO LEGAL BEARING TO INVESTIGATE IT!

THIS! This is what civil liberties advocates scream about at the top of our lungs- ends do not justify the means, especially when the ends are utter failure! It’s not the child porn I’m worried about out there- it’s my government overstepping their bounds, EXACTLY LIKE THIS, to go after things everyone hates, with no legal backing- so they keep creeping very quickly towards investigating you or anyone en masse for whatever the fuck they feel like!

It is not lunacy to scream slippery slope and 1984 here. This is exactly how those things work!

Goddamnit, someone stop these assholes, and throw them in jail already- I’m sick of this shit, it happens every day now. The USA just keeps raping the legal system and overstepping their authority to spy on the populace.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030292 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030292 <blockquote>without substantial due process. </blockquote> Due process?! That' sympathizing with terrorists! This is the USA, only radicals still believe in due process. America... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......... In before someone says the terrorists won. They didn't. The corporatists did. There's tremendous money in security theatre folks. And you're paying for that instead of health care for our citizenry. Americans are embarrassing. <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029796">bobthecitizen</a> said: <blockquote>Welcome to Egypt folks.</blockquote> Egyptians have got us beat. At least the citizens there still fight for their freedom. The American public is sedated as long as Cheetos and American Idol are in good supply. Cut that off, and some might even fart and nap in protest.

without substantial due process.

Due process?! That’ sympathizing with terrorists! This is the USA, only radicals still believe in due process.

America… FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU………

In before someone says the terrorists won. They didn’t. The corporatists did. There’s tremendous money in security theatre folks. And you’re paying for that instead of health care for our citizenry. Americans are embarrassing.

bobthecitizen said:

Welcome to Egypt folks.

Egyptians have got us beat. At least the citizens there still fight for their freedom. The American public is sedated as long as Cheetos and American Idol are in good supply. Cut that off, and some might even fart and nap in protest.

]]> By: BBNinja http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030558 BBNinja Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030558 That means the "lucky winners" have a chance to get their tax money back and actually put it to good use! :P Since DHS is branching out obviously then I think 419 scammers and those people who phish idiot's email so they can then send out notices to all their facebook friend's that they can win a free laptop should be hunted down and punished. I'm sure DHS won't have any problem getting their powers extended to cover Nigeria. That means the “lucky winners” have a chance to get their tax money back and actually put it to good use! :P

Since DHS is branching out obviously then I think 419 scammers and those people who phish idiot’s email so they can then send out notices to all their facebook friend’s that they can win a free laptop should be hunted down and punished.

I’m sure DHS won’t have any problem getting their powers extended to cover Nigeria.

]]> By: bobthecitizen http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029796 bobthecitizen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029796 I would tend to suspect DHS and more so, TSA, of being the sort to store pictures of naked children. CHild pornogrophy is a nasty, bad, thing. But what about "innocent until proven guilty"? Is this not punishment prior to trial? Welcome to Egypt folks. I would tend to suspect DHS and more so, TSA, of being the sort to store pictures of naked children.

CHild pornogrophy is a nasty, bad, thing. But what about “innocent until proven guilty”? Is this not punishment prior to trial?

Welcome to Egypt folks.

]]> By: Unfair Robot http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030314 Unfair Robot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030314 > What happened to democracy? I was going to respond wittily with: "You can read all about it at democracy.gov". Then I wondered whether that domain actually did exist, so I checked: it does, and it redirects to america.gov. In the context of this story: WIN. > What happened to democracy?

I was going to respond wittily with: “You can read all about it at democracy.gov”.

Then I wondered whether that domain actually did exist, so I checked: it does, and it redirects to america.gov.

In the context of this story: WIN.

]]> By: fnc http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030062 fnc Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030062 I predict some lawyers are going to get very rich due to this. I predict some lawyers are going to get very rich due to this.

]]> By: johnofjack http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029808 johnofjack Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029808 ICE is just bad news, period. They take somebody as an illegal immigrant, that person just disappears--incommunicado, no counsel, nothing which might be mistaken for due process--and they know it's "disappearing" people and use that language on purpose, apparently ignorant of Argentinian history. (Or maybe not, maybe it takes the wrinkles out of their pants that they have such uncontested unaccountable power.) ICE is just bad news, period. They take somebody as an illegal immigrant, that person just disappears–incommunicado, no counsel, nothing which might be mistaken for due process–and they know it’s “disappearing” people and use that language on purpose, apparently ignorant of Argentinian history. (Or maybe not, maybe it takes the wrinkles out of their pants that they have such uncontested unaccountable power.)

]]> By: jessemoya http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029812 jessemoya Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029812 Are you serious? Public accusations of trafficking in child pornography without any investigation or evidence? I'd want someone's job for that. Unless I was one of DOZENS OF THOUSANDS of affected websites, in which case I'd want someone's job, their supervisor's job, and plenty of damages. Are you serious? Public accusations of trafficking in child pornography without any investigation or evidence? I’d want someone’s job for that. Unless I was one of DOZENS OF THOUSANDS of affected websites, in which case I’d want someone’s job, their supervisor’s job, and plenty of damages.

]]> By: GeekMan http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029814 GeekMan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029814 I hate to advocate such things, but I think a class-action lawsuit is in order to remind certain persons at the DHS to use their powers a little more carefully. I hate to advocate such things, but I think a class-action lawsuit is in order to remind certain persons at the DHS to use their powers a little more carefully.

]]> By: dainel http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029820 dainel Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029820 Wasn't there something about taking away control of the Internet (at least the domain names part) away from the US govt and putting it under the UN? Do all of us, living out of the US, get to live under US laws, and yet do not get representatives to vote on those laws? What happened to democracy? Wasn’t there something about taking away control of the Internet (at least the domain names part) away from the US govt and putting it under the UN?

Do all of us, living out of the US, get to live under US laws, and yet do not get representatives to vote on those laws? What happened to democracy?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1030337 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1030337 more poignantly sad than win, imo. more poignantly sad than win, imo.

]]> By: howaboutthisdangit http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029829 howaboutthisdangit Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029829 Wait, if the Feds are going after child porn, aren't they neglecting their duties as thugs for the MPAA and RIAA? Their overlords will not be pleased. I got a chuckle the other day when I heard that Secretary of State Clinton is pressing other nations to keep the Internet free and open. Welcome to the "Land of the Free." (nudge nudge, wink wink) Wait, if the Feds are going after child porn, aren’t they neglecting their duties as thugs for the MPAA and RIAA? Their overlords will not be pleased.

I got a chuckle the other day when I heard that Secretary of State Clinton is pressing other nations to keep the Internet free and open.

Welcome to the “Land of the Free.” (nudge nudge, wink wink)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029830 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029830 What happened to democracy? It was sold at the highest price. What happened to democracy?
It was sold at the highest price.

]]> By: DieFem http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029839 DieFem Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029839 First shoot, then ask. It´s a nice policy for the "Land Of the Free" as howaboutthisdangit mentioned. First shoot, then ask. It´s a nice policy for the “Land Of the Free” as howaboutthisdangit mentioned.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029840 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029840 The Government is not immune to law suits. I urge any owner wrongly accused of having a smut-page to seek the services of a good civil rights lawyer with experience in the Federal Court. The Government is not immune to law suits. I urge any owner wrongly accused of having a smut-page to seek the services of a good civil rights lawyer with experience in the Federal Court.

]]> By: lasttide http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1029844 lasttide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1029844 This is just begging for a lawsuit. It's a clear cut 4th Ammendment violation. This is just begging for a lawsuit. It’s a clear cut 4th Ammendment violation.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1091054 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1091054 You are obviously hiding something if you need to ask for due process. You are obviously hiding something if you need to ask for due process.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html#comment-1091060 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1091060 Welcome to china. Welcome to china.

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