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		<title>By: Beelzebuddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042181</link>
		<dc:creator>Beelzebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh look.  Someone in Sausalito thinks I should be feeling guilty about the things I do not being as environmentally friendly, in his opinion, as the things he does.  Let me shed a single tear for my ignorance, then rush out to Whole Foods and consume.

Now, overfishing is a very valid concern, but this article is just paragraph after paragraph of equivocation and accusatory language.  Possibly (not actually, yet) overfished fish?  &lt;i&gt;Bad fish.&lt;/i&gt;  Caught in a manner he dislikes? &lt;i&gt;Bad fish!&lt;/i&gt;  Nonvegetarian (srsly) farmed fish? &lt;i&gt;BAD FISH!&lt;/i&gt;  Doesn&#039;t that make you feel bad, boing?  Aren&#039;t you &lt;i&gt;ashamed&lt;/i&gt; yet?


Best part is the very last paragraph:
&lt;i&gt;Bowman tells of a restaurant owner whom she was trying to convince to serve more sustainable seafood. â€œThe guy would sell anything that came out of the water,â€ she says. He complained about the salmon restrictions and refused to remove shrimp from his menu. One night, his six-year-old daughter asked him, â€œIs the fish going to be here when Iâ€™m a big girl?â€

He called the next day. â€œI canâ€™t do this anymore,â€ he said to Bowman. â€œWhat do I need to do?â€ &lt;/i&gt;
Yeah, wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh look.  Someone in Sausalito thinks I should be feeling guilty about the things I do not being as environmentally friendly, in his opinion, as the things he does.  Let me shed a single tear for my ignorance, then rush out to Whole Foods and consume.</p>
<p>Now, overfishing is a very valid concern, but this article is just paragraph after paragraph of equivocation and accusatory language.  Possibly (not actually, yet) overfished fish?  <i>Bad fish.</i>  Caught in a manner he dislikes? <i>Bad fish!</i>  Nonvegetarian (srsly) farmed fish? <i>BAD FISH!</i>  Doesn&#8217;t that make you feel bad, boing?  Aren&#8217;t you <i>ashamed</i> yet?</p>
<p>Best part is the very last paragraph:<br />
<i>Bowman tells of a restaurant owner whom she was trying to convince to serve more sustainable seafood. â€œThe guy would sell anything that came out of the water,â€ she says. He complained about the salmon restrictions and refused to remove shrimp from his menu. One night, his six-year-old daughter asked him, â€œIs the fish going to be here when Iâ€™m a big girl?â€</p>
<p>He called the next day. â€œI canâ€™t do this anymore,â€ he said to Bowman. â€œWhat do I need to do?â€ </i><br />
Yeah, wow.</p>
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		<title>By: svensPalm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042189</link>
		<dc:creator>svensPalm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a chef, I try to use the suggestions of the Monterrey Bay Aquarium&#039;s Seafood Watch Program. You can find it here http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/seafoodwatch.aspx

You can download pocket guides for your region and there are apps for your phone too.

As a note, the little grocery store around the corner from my house has nothing but the &quot;avoid&quot; fish for sale in the seafood department. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a chef, I try to use the suggestions of the Monterrey Bay Aquarium&#8217;s Seafood Watch Program. You can find it here <a href="http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/seafoodwatch.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/seafoodwatch.aspx</a></p>
<p>You can download pocket guides for your region and there are apps for your phone too.</p>
<p>As a note, the little grocery store around the corner from my house has nothing but the &#8220;avoid&#8221; fish for sale in the seafood department. </p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042200</link>
		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve followed the Monterey Bay&#039;s seafood watch religiously.  I also have a cousin who fishes tuna out on Cape Cod.  It is my understanding that the US has strict catch limits on most of the &quot;bad&quot; fish that Americans typically go through:  cod, tuna, flounder, grouper, all of it.  He fishes his limit and goes home, no ifs ands or buts.

However, commercial fishing boats from outside the US trawl, longline and net the international waters of the Georges Bank like nobody&#039;s business, staying out for months at a time, packing it all in the hold and heading home.  There is literally nothing that can be done about it, as these are international waters and these are other nations.

In the end, I do my part.  I look for sustainable fish, I have stopped eating the cod and tuna I love and encourage others to do the same.  But while I have a warm and fuzzy feeling it makes me sad that it&#039;s all for naught and they&#039;ll be gone by the time my kid is my age anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve followed the Monterey Bay&#8217;s seafood watch religiously.  I also have a cousin who fishes tuna out on Cape Cod.  It is my understanding that the US has strict catch limits on most of the &#8220;bad&#8221; fish that Americans typically go through:  cod, tuna, flounder, grouper, all of it.  He fishes his limit and goes home, no ifs ands or buts.</p>
<p>However, commercial fishing boats from outside the US trawl, longline and net the international waters of the Georges Bank like nobody&#8217;s business, staying out for months at a time, packing it all in the hold and heading home.  There is literally nothing that can be done about it, as these are international waters and these are other nations.</p>
<p>In the end, I do my part.  I look for sustainable fish, I have stopped eating the cod and tuna I love and encourage others to do the same.  But while I have a warm and fuzzy feeling it makes me sad that it&#8217;s all for naught and they&#8217;ll be gone by the time my kid is my age anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042713</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avoiding &quot;bad&quot; fish has the same effect as any other boycott - reduction in demand. It&#039;ll mean, as you said, a lot of rotten unsold fish in the short term, but the decrease in demand will lead to smaller catches in the future as the fish become less profitable and less desirable to catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avoiding &#8220;bad&#8221; fish has the same effect as any other boycott &#8211; reduction in demand. It&#8217;ll mean, as you said, a lot of rotten unsold fish in the short term, but the decrease in demand will lead to smaller catches in the future as the fish become less profitable and less desirable to catch.</p>
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		<title>By: soongtype</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042737</link>
		<dc:creator>soongtype</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eat mo&#039; sardines!</description>
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		<title>By: das memsen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042782</link>
		<dc:creator>das memsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an expert on fish, but I am one on meat in this country, and the basic logic in both is the same. We, the masses, have two things we can do. The greater one is with our wallets. Yes, you&#039;re right, the &quot;bad&quot; fish have already been killed by the time they reach you plate, but if less people buy them, the restaurants will order less of them next week, which means the distributors will buy less of them from the fishermen, which means the fishermen will very quickly realize there&#039;s no business in that fish anymore and leave the fish alone, which allows them to spawn and replenish. Hopefully, the suppliers won&#039;t be confused as to why the sudden lack of interest in salmon, since there&#039;s a lot of talk about sustainability already. They will get the fact that more people are actually doing more than just talk about it, that they&#039;re willing to change their eating habits for the betterment of this world. And most likely, this change is going to happen slowly, so you not ordering bluefin tuna will not result in a trash can full of fish; it&#039;ll simply be eaten by someone else in an hour. The weekly totals might go down a tiny bit, and the trend over time will be a noticeable decline (hopefully) but it&#039;s all gradual. In other words, you don&#039;t have to worry about personally creating a warehouse full of dead fish any more than you have to worry about personally starting a fish revolution. It takes millions of us, slowly, daily. 

An example of this would be red meat- we started eating a LOT more red meat after WWII, and then since the late 70&#039;s, we&#039;ve been eating less and less. Farmers simply adjusted their numbers to match the demand- there were no great steak landfills or mass-chucking of burgers- it was a gradual trend brought about as people realized cholesterol and fat were not good for them, and one-by-one reduced their beef intake.

I don&#039;t know if farm-raised fish can not be raised sustainably overall- I would guess it depends on what fish and how it&#039;s done... but often, the farm raised fish are grown by feeding them smaller fish, which have to be shipped in. So rather than having fish swim around in the wild like they&#039;re made to do, catching whatever they find, we have oil-powered machines transporting large quantities of other fish that someone had to work at catching just to fatten up the fish that are popular... like shrimp farms in Thailand, for example. It&#039;s a wasteful, illogical way to do it and it can&#039;t last in the long run. Which doesn&#039;t mean there might not be efficient ways to do it, either- but I think most of them right now aren&#039;t like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an expert on fish, but I am one on meat in this country, and the basic logic in both is the same. We, the masses, have two things we can do. The greater one is with our wallets. Yes, you&#8217;re right, the &#8220;bad&#8221; fish have already been killed by the time they reach you plate, but if less people buy them, the restaurants will order less of them next week, which means the distributors will buy less of them from the fishermen, which means the fishermen will very quickly realize there&#8217;s no business in that fish anymore and leave the fish alone, which allows them to spawn and replenish. Hopefully, the suppliers won&#8217;t be confused as to why the sudden lack of interest in salmon, since there&#8217;s a lot of talk about sustainability already. They will get the fact that more people are actually doing more than just talk about it, that they&#8217;re willing to change their eating habits for the betterment of this world. And most likely, this change is going to happen slowly, so you not ordering bluefin tuna will not result in a trash can full of fish; it&#8217;ll simply be eaten by someone else in an hour. The weekly totals might go down a tiny bit, and the trend over time will be a noticeable decline (hopefully) but it&#8217;s all gradual. In other words, you don&#8217;t have to worry about personally creating a warehouse full of dead fish any more than you have to worry about personally starting a fish revolution. It takes millions of us, slowly, daily. </p>
<p>An example of this would be red meat- we started eating a LOT more red meat after WWII, and then since the late 70&#8242;s, we&#8217;ve been eating less and less. Farmers simply adjusted their numbers to match the demand- there were no great steak landfills or mass-chucking of burgers- it was a gradual trend brought about as people realized cholesterol and fat were not good for them, and one-by-one reduced their beef intake.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if farm-raised fish can not be raised sustainably overall- I would guess it depends on what fish and how it&#8217;s done&#8230; but often, the farm raised fish are grown by feeding them smaller fish, which have to be shipped in. So rather than having fish swim around in the wild like they&#8217;re made to do, catching whatever they find, we have oil-powered machines transporting large quantities of other fish that someone had to work at catching just to fatten up the fish that are popular&#8230; like shrimp farms in Thailand, for example. It&#8217;s a wasteful, illogical way to do it and it can&#8217;t last in the long run. Which doesn&#8217;t mean there might not be efficient ways to do it, either- but I think most of them right now aren&#8217;t like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeno Evil</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042306</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeno Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do find it a little suspicious that a restaurant owner went to a lot of his successful competition and got a reporter to bash them.  He may have legitimate points, but what&#039;s his motivation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find it a little suspicious that a restaurant owner went to a lot of his successful competition and got a reporter to bash them.  He may have legitimate points, but what&#8217;s his motivation?</p>
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		<title>By: Amphigorey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042823</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphigorey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason the farm-raised fish issue is confusing is because it&#039;s complicated. The methods for raising fish in farms differs significantly depending on the type of fish. Some farmed fish is ecologically sustainable with minimal impact, whereas other types are very harmful.

The reason farmed salmon is on the bad list is due to the way it&#039;s farmed. You have to put a salmon farm in an existing river, and all the effluvia from the farm goes straight into the river. That&#039;s really bad for the river, obviously. Also, since the salmon are in a very tight space, they&#039;re vulnerable to infection, which means they have to get antibiotics - and again, all those antibiotics as well as any parasites get flushed into the river and impact the native species. Studies have shown that wild populations are severely impacted when a salmon farm is introduced. 

Okay! So no farmed salmon. What about farmed other stuff? The general rule is that if it&#039;s lower on the food chain, the more likely it is that the farm is a sustainable choice. Farmed catfish, for instance, are a great choice. The reasoning here is that you don&#039;t have to go out and catch food for the fish you&#039;re farming. As the article points out, it generally takes four pounds of harvested fish to grow one pound of farmed fish, so if you can stay away from fish that depend on meat, you&#039;re much better off. Farmed mussels are also a good choice - they are filter feeders, so they don&#039;t require meat.

The other general rule is that US-caught or farmed is the best choice. The US has stricter regulations on how the fish can be caught or farmed, and as a result the fish is much more sustainable. There are exceptions (like mussels, which Seafood Watch says are fine from most places), but in general it&#039;s best to avoid imported fish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the farm-raised fish issue is confusing is because it&#8217;s complicated. The methods for raising fish in farms differs significantly depending on the type of fish. Some farmed fish is ecologically sustainable with minimal impact, whereas other types are very harmful.</p>
<p>The reason farmed salmon is on the bad list is due to the way it&#8217;s farmed. You have to put a salmon farm in an existing river, and all the effluvia from the farm goes straight into the river. That&#8217;s really bad for the river, obviously. Also, since the salmon are in a very tight space, they&#8217;re vulnerable to infection, which means they have to get antibiotics &#8211; and again, all those antibiotics as well as any parasites get flushed into the river and impact the native species. Studies have shown that wild populations are severely impacted when a salmon farm is introduced. </p>
<p>Okay! So no farmed salmon. What about farmed other stuff? The general rule is that if it&#8217;s lower on the food chain, the more likely it is that the farm is a sustainable choice. Farmed catfish, for instance, are a great choice. The reasoning here is that you don&#8217;t have to go out and catch food for the fish you&#8217;re farming. As the article points out, it generally takes four pounds of harvested fish to grow one pound of farmed fish, so if you can stay away from fish that depend on meat, you&#8217;re much better off. Farmed mussels are also a good choice &#8211; they are filter feeders, so they don&#8217;t require meat.</p>
<p>The other general rule is that US-caught or farmed is the best choice. The US has stricter regulations on how the fish can be caught or farmed, and as a result the fish is much more sustainable. There are exceptions (like mussels, which Seafood Watch says are fine from most places), but in general it&#8217;s best to avoid imported fish.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1043086</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have missed it, but I didn&#039;t see anything about refusing fish caught accidentally via &quot;bycatch.&quot; That isn&#039;t so much the problem. No one is out fishing for haddock and accidentally catches a bunch of salmon. Rather, people are out fishing for salmon, and accidentally catch a whole bunch of other fish (and sharks and seaturtles and what-not) that they don&#039;t even bother to sell, since no one wants them, and they just throw out.

As the the question of farm-raised fish, there&#039;s the waste problem already mentioned, but also the problem that you have to feed most fish well over a pound of other fish to get a pound of the fish you&#039;re farming. So your farm-raised salmon is the result of many pounds of other fish that have almost certainly been unsustainably fished. (Since no one bothers to ask the restaurant &quot;ah, but was the &lt;i&gt;fish feed&lt;/i&gt; sustainably caught, there&#039;s no incentive to use sustainable fishing methods to get the feed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed it, but I didn&#8217;t see anything about refusing fish caught accidentally via &#8220;bycatch.&#8221; That isn&#8217;t so much the problem. No one is out fishing for haddock and accidentally catches a bunch of salmon. Rather, people are out fishing for salmon, and accidentally catch a whole bunch of other fish (and sharks and seaturtles and what-not) that they don&#8217;t even bother to sell, since no one wants them, and they just throw out.</p>
<p>As the the question of farm-raised fish, there&#8217;s the waste problem already mentioned, but also the problem that you have to feed most fish well over a pound of other fish to get a pound of the fish you&#8217;re farming. So your farm-raised salmon is the result of many pounds of other fish that have almost certainly been unsustainably fished. (Since no one bothers to ask the restaurant &#8220;ah, but was the <i>fish feed</i> sustainably caught, there&#8217;s no incentive to use sustainable fishing methods to get the feed.)</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042089</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I really need to start getting more creative with my fish. That&#039;s the problem with all the &quot;bad&quot; fish -- those are the fish that everyone feels most comfortable cooking. Anyone can cook a salmon, but cooking sardines are much more difficult -- at least in people&#039;s minds.

I should start getting more into Sicilian cooking. My only sardine recipe is a delicious Pasta con le Sarde, with fennel, raisins and saffron. Super delicious, but also not nearly as easy as throwing a side of salmon in a hot pan for a minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I really need to start getting more creative with my fish. That&#8217;s the problem with all the &#8220;bad&#8221; fish &#8212; those are the fish that everyone feels most comfortable cooking. Anyone can cook a salmon, but cooking sardines are much more difficult &#8212; at least in people&#8217;s minds.</p>
<p>I should start getting more into Sicilian cooking. My only sardine recipe is a delicious Pasta con le Sarde, with fennel, raisins and saffron. Super delicious, but also not nearly as easy as throwing a side of salmon in a hot pan for a minute.</p>
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		<title>By: ohiogirlie74</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1048752</link>
		<dc:creator>ohiogirlie74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, all who replied to my naive questions, you have no idea how much you&#039;ve helped. I think I was misled into believing an ideal where a trap is set, perhaps with the intent to catch wild grouper, but accidentally catching a swordfish and having that be like a hey! lucky day! Or, the fishmonger giving a bucket of mixed species to a chef and saying, do what you will with today&#039;s catch, make the best of it. What can I say, my brain is a happy cartoon of optimistic hallucinations. 

I fear that if the market for, say sharks, drops (as it should!) that no fewer of them would be illegally (or unintentionally) caught, but that they will just be dead anyway and tossed overboard before the boat returns to shore, because the bad guys know nobody will buy them.

And while I don&#039;t imagine warehouses of dead fish, or big meat landfills (fish sticks, omega-3 pills,and cat food have to come from somewhere, don&#039;t they?) it just seems a little off that my cat might be eating fine endangered tuna in his Meow Mix but I can&#039;t buy it at the market due to moral reservations. Of course, I come from a long line of frugal folks who would roast up all sorts of wild game if they happened upon it, but wouldn&#039;t really put venison on a shopping list. 

The bits in the original article about misleading menu notes and questionable sourcing (whilst charging the premium greenwashed prices) are the most unnerving. For an avid label-reader and local sourcing nerd, it&#039;s kind of mindblowing. I&#039;m paying extra for you to tell me that info. I could pay less for something responsibly done but not divulged as such, or I could pay you double to lie to my face. Not cool. Fine those crooks. I can&#039;t afford to grow, catch, or farm everything myself. I trade my time and effort at work for a universal bargaining currency so that I can defer to &#039;experts&#039; in those areas. 

I would like to teach the whole world to go out to eat, but leave their expectations at home. Stop ordering all-you-can-eat shrimp, numnuts!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all who replied to my naive questions, you have no idea how much you&#8217;ve helped. I think I was misled into believing an ideal where a trap is set, perhaps with the intent to catch wild grouper, but accidentally catching a swordfish and having that be like a hey! lucky day! Or, the fishmonger giving a bucket of mixed species to a chef and saying, do what you will with today&#8217;s catch, make the best of it. What can I say, my brain is a happy cartoon of optimistic hallucinations. </p>
<p>I fear that if the market for, say sharks, drops (as it should!) that no fewer of them would be illegally (or unintentionally) caught, but that they will just be dead anyway and tossed overboard before the boat returns to shore, because the bad guys know nobody will buy them.</p>
<p>And while I don&#8217;t imagine warehouses of dead fish, or big meat landfills (fish sticks, omega-3 pills,and cat food have to come from somewhere, don&#8217;t they?) it just seems a little off that my cat might be eating fine endangered tuna in his Meow Mix but I can&#8217;t buy it at the market due to moral reservations. Of course, I come from a long line of frugal folks who would roast up all sorts of wild game if they happened upon it, but wouldn&#8217;t really put venison on a shopping list. </p>
<p>The bits in the original article about misleading menu notes and questionable sourcing (whilst charging the premium greenwashed prices) are the most unnerving. For an avid label-reader and local sourcing nerd, it&#8217;s kind of mindblowing. I&#8217;m paying extra for you to tell me that info. I could pay less for something responsibly done but not divulged as such, or I could pay you double to lie to my face. Not cool. Fine those crooks. I can&#8217;t afford to grow, catch, or farm everything myself. I trade my time and effort at work for a universal bargaining currency so that I can defer to &#8216;experts&#8217; in those areas. </p>
<p>I would like to teach the whole world to go out to eat, but leave their expectations at home. Stop ordering all-you-can-eat shrimp, numnuts!! </p>
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		<title>By: das memsen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042869</link>
		<dc:creator>das memsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, look, someone&#039;s feeling needlessly defensive for no apparent reason. The article I read shows a guy who has gone down a journey led by his conscience and who cares enough about an issue to try and solve it. Conscience bother you much, does it? 

If you&#039;d bother to read the article you&#039;d see that far from telling you to run off to Whole Foods for a guilt-free lifestyle, the guys shows how Whole Foods is actually part of the problem. I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re rationalizing your unhealthy lifestyle or resent anyone who sounds like an authority on something. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, look, someone&#8217;s feeling needlessly defensive for no apparent reason. The article I read shows a guy who has gone down a journey led by his conscience and who cares enough about an issue to try and solve it. Conscience bother you much, does it? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;d bother to read the article you&#8217;d see that far from telling you to run off to Whole Foods for a guilt-free lifestyle, the guys shows how Whole Foods is actually part of the problem. I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re rationalizing your unhealthy lifestyle or resent anyone who sounds like an authority on something. </p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042103</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read to the bottom of the article now (I commented early -- hey, it was a long article), I&#039;m amazing at how so many people who ought to know better are rushing to put themselves out of business. I guess it&#039;s not so different from oil tycoons, but at least oil tycoons haven&#039;t yet seen a decrease in oil flow, while fishing companies have been seeing declines in fish for years.

I don&#039;t know if the answer really is expensive Californian restaurants and the few people holding their good fish/bad fish papers at the Whole Foods counter. That&#039;s not going to cut down on the millions of cans of tunafish eaten every day in the US alone, or the millions of pounds of jumbo fried shrimp.

Are there any legislators working on bills to limit the amount of tuna, shrimp and salmon fished each year? I can&#039;t think of anything else that would stem this time bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read to the bottom of the article now (I commented early &#8212; hey, it was a long article), I&#8217;m amazing at how so many people who ought to know better are rushing to put themselves out of business. I guess it&#8217;s not so different from oil tycoons, but at least oil tycoons haven&#8217;t yet seen a decrease in oil flow, while fishing companies have been seeing declines in fish for years.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the answer really is expensive Californian restaurants and the few people holding their good fish/bad fish papers at the Whole Foods counter. That&#8217;s not going to cut down on the millions of cans of tunafish eaten every day in the US alone, or the millions of pounds of jumbo fried shrimp.</p>
<p>Are there any legislators working on bills to limit the amount of tuna, shrimp and salmon fished each year? I can&#8217;t think of anything else that would stem this time bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: ohiogirlie74</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042635</link>
		<dc:creator>ohiogirlie74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused, and admittedly NOT an expert on this topic at all, but I would like to understand better as a person who wants to shop and eat as responsibly as I can: if fish caught accidentally via &quot;bycatch&quot; are refused at the restaurant/market level, what good does that do? 

The &quot;bad&quot; fish is already caught, there&#039;s no hope to return it back to sea to swim around and tell alien abduction stories to its buddies. I get the mercury-level warning of big fish who eat lots of small fish having a higher concentration of that poisonous metal; that makes plenty of sense as to why you should want to avoid or limit them in your diet, but, it seems to me that at the consumer level, refusing to buy bad fish because of shady catching methods is just going to lead to a lot of rotten unsold fish. 

Clearly, the target should be the fishing methods, not the fish that get caught. I can support wholesalers boycotting certain fishing company and telling them &quot;not until you change your tactic,&quot; but I feel like by the time it&#039;s my option, the damage is done.

Also, what&#039;s so bad about farm-raised fish? Not advocating, just not clear. Things I read seem to contradict. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused, and admittedly NOT an expert on this topic at all, but I would like to understand better as a person who wants to shop and eat as responsibly as I can: if fish caught accidentally via &#8220;bycatch&#8221; are refused at the restaurant/market level, what good does that do? </p>
<p>The &#8220;bad&#8221; fish is already caught, there&#8217;s no hope to return it back to sea to swim around and tell alien abduction stories to its buddies. I get the mercury-level warning of big fish who eat lots of small fish having a higher concentration of that poisonous metal; that makes plenty of sense as to why you should want to avoid or limit them in your diet, but, it seems to me that at the consumer level, refusing to buy bad fish because of shady catching methods is just going to lead to a lot of rotten unsold fish. </p>
<p>Clearly, the target should be the fishing methods, not the fish that get caught. I can support wholesalers boycotting certain fishing company and telling them &#8220;not until you change your tactic,&#8221; but I feel like by the time it&#8217;s my option, the damage is done.</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s so bad about farm-raised fish? Not advocating, just not clear. Things I read seem to contradict. </p>
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		<title>By: gellfex</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042126</link>
		<dc:creator>gellfex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating article. I&#039;m an avid fisherman and have long wondered at how we can be industrial hunter gatherers at sea and not see how ridiculous that is.

The most interesting stuff was the &quot;vegetarian trout&quot; project, and the fact that 55% of American seafood is canned tuna, shrimp, and salmon. The latter 2 are already farmed extensively but unecologically, so the trick is to develop methods for them similar to the trout. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article. I&#8217;m an avid fisherman and have long wondered at how we can be industrial hunter gatherers at sea and not see how ridiculous that is.</p>
<p>The most interesting stuff was the &#8220;vegetarian trout&#8221; project, and the fact that 55% of American seafood is canned tuna, shrimp, and salmon. The latter 2 are already farmed extensively but unecologically, so the trick is to develop methods for them similar to the trout. </p>
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		<title>By: fred71</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042388</link>
		<dc:creator>fred71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting read. Here&#039;s an article from the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation on the issue of where our seafood comes from and whether it&#039;s what it is labeled as.... http://www.fao.org/news/story/0/item/38957/icode/en/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read. Here&#8217;s an article from the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation on the issue of where our seafood comes from and whether it&#8217;s what it is labeled as&#8230;. <a href="http://www.fao.org/news/story/0/item/38957/icode/en/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fao.org/news/story/0/item/38957/icode/en/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1047019</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://sardinesociety.com/&quot;&gt;Society&lt;/a&gt;.

Jonny Hamachi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the <a href="http://sardinesociety.com/">Society</a>.</p>
<p>Jonny Hamachi</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/02/fish-and-the-people.html#comment-1042158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sardines, at least the canned kind, are trivial to cook. Really, just heat them up. But maybe that&#039;s not what people are referring to when they mean sardines are sustainable. Beach Cliff (the major brand of canned sardines) recently closed their Maine plants, and current Beach Cliff sardines are products of Poland. So probably not without a non-trivial carbon footprint for people in the US/Canada.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sardines, at least the canned kind, are trivial to cook. Really, just heat them up. But maybe that&#8217;s not what people are referring to when they mean sardines are sustainable. Beach Cliff (the major brand of canned sardines) recently closed their Maine plants, and current Beach Cliff sardines are products of Poland. So probably not without a non-trivial carbon footprint for people in the US/Canada.</p>
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