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		<title>By: Alain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1043460</link>
		<dc:creator>Alain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something HarperCollins Inc. doesn&#039;t know (or forgot) and which hasn&#039;t been discussed yet: The life of the average physical book in the average public library in North America is not currently determined by its physical resistance but by its popularity. The coming of eBooks and the disappearance of the physical book unit (or monograph as librarians call them) will change this. It will eliminate the &quot;loss&quot; of potential customers publishers and others &quot;suffer&quot; when libraries sell obsolete (they call them &quot;weeded&quot;) books to citizens.

What counts for the head librarian in a public library is the total number of book-borrowings during the year by the local citizens. This is the only figure that truly justifies the public library&#039;s annual budget. They call this &quot;circulation&quot; figures because the books &quot;circulate&quot;. Other figures, like the number of people sitting inside the library on average, are shakier and not as useful. In order to keep that borrowing number high public libraries have to constantly buy new books, new titles even if the older books aren&#039;t physically used up. They have to keep up constantly with what&#039;s really popular in fiction and what&#039;s current, updated to new standards  in non-fiction. There,s always new Science, new techniques coming up, which make non-fiction books obsolete even before they are physically worn out.

In most libraries in North America there are regular sales of weeded books, that is books which are not physically used up but which are not popular any more (such as the last decade&#039;s hit pop fiction or last year&#039;s outdated reference volume) and are taking up costly shelf space in heated and air conditioned buildings. I&#039;ve been going to those sales for more than thirty years, buying thousands of books for my personal collection, my personal library. For each used library book I&#039;ve bought I&#039;ve seen or handled a hundred other books in those sales. From this experience (and from readings when I did university studies on the matter) I can tell you that most of those outdated and/or unpopular &quot;weeded&quot; books were still in fine physical shape when they were taken out of the library collection, to make space for new titles or updated editions.

I&#039;ve read that a lot of publishers and authors don&#039;t like bookstores that specialize in selling used, recently used books because they say that there&#039;s zero money going to the publisher and the author when somebody buys a used book, &quot;their&quot; used book from one of those stores. It means that a reader gets to own &quot;their&quot; book for nothing, in their point of view. So I reckon that they don&#039;t like it either when libraries sell weeded books.

Making the transition to an eBook library means that there will not be any more &quot;weeded&quot; book sales. Hey, publishers and authors should be glad!

But that&#039;s not all.

Since eBooks don&#039;t take up any space librarians won&#039;t be forced to &quot;weed&quot; the collections like they do now, because of lack of space. In theory, they could keep some of those eBook files forever if they retain the files on their own servers, just in case a user might want to se them in the future, for historical reasons. And this is the crucial point. 99% of users don&#039;t want to see those old books for historical reasons. They want to read popular new fiction and consult updated reference books, trustworthy and recent &quot;how-to &quot; manuals and other such stuff. It all about having you users, your citizens borrow stuff, keep circulation figures high, so you can justify the library&#039;s existence. Librarians will go on buying new books to do this no matter what their format, eBook, or physical monograph or whatnot. 

Publishers should get this into their head: The total number of books a public library owns is largely irrelevant for its existence. University libraries and national libraries brag about their total number of books and it&#039;s important for them, but for a public library (those we are talking about here) it&#039;s irrelevant for their survival. What counts is getting new books in, all the time, to keep borrowing figures high. They&#039;ll go on buying books even their &quot;old&quot; ones are still intact, so stop bothering them with useless borrowing limits and other DRM obsessions.

Oh, and another thing, all, and I mean absolutely all the statistics show that in North America the towns and cities with the highest borrowing figures in their public libraries are also the ones where the population buys the most books. It&#039;s proven by exact numbers that the love of reading is a &quot;disease&quot; spread by libraries and beneficial to publishers. Many publishers figured this out long, long ago and put up special marketing departments targeting public libraries in particular. I&#039;m beginning to wonder if the people in thses departments were laid off when big publishers were consolidated and bougth out by companies with no publishing background.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something HarperCollins Inc. doesn&#8217;t know (or forgot) and which hasn&#8217;t been discussed yet: The life of the average physical book in the average public library in North America is not currently determined by its physical resistance but by its popularity. The coming of eBooks and the disappearance of the physical book unit (or monograph as librarians call them) will change this. It will eliminate the &#8220;loss&#8221; of potential customers publishers and others &#8220;suffer&#8221; when libraries sell obsolete (they call them &#8220;weeded&#8221;) books to citizens.</p>
<p>What counts for the head librarian in a public library is the total number of book-borrowings during the year by the local citizens. This is the only figure that truly justifies the public library&#8217;s annual budget. They call this &#8220;circulation&#8221; figures because the books &#8220;circulate&#8221;. Other figures, like the number of people sitting inside the library on average, are shakier and not as useful. In order to keep that borrowing number high public libraries have to constantly buy new books, new titles even if the older books aren&#8217;t physically used up. They have to keep up constantly with what&#8217;s really popular in fiction and what&#8217;s current, updated to new standards  in non-fiction. There,s always new Science, new techniques coming up, which make non-fiction books obsolete even before they are physically worn out.</p>
<p>In most libraries in North America there are regular sales of weeded books, that is books which are not physically used up but which are not popular any more (such as the last decade&#8217;s hit pop fiction or last year&#8217;s outdated reference volume) and are taking up costly shelf space in heated and air conditioned buildings. I&#8217;ve been going to those sales for more than thirty years, buying thousands of books for my personal collection, my personal library. For each used library book I&#8217;ve bought I&#8217;ve seen or handled a hundred other books in those sales. From this experience (and from readings when I did university studies on the matter) I can tell you that most of those outdated and/or unpopular &#8220;weeded&#8221; books were still in fine physical shape when they were taken out of the library collection, to make space for new titles or updated editions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read that a lot of publishers and authors don&#8217;t like bookstores that specialize in selling used, recently used books because they say that there&#8217;s zero money going to the publisher and the author when somebody buys a used book, &#8220;their&#8221; used book from one of those stores. It means that a reader gets to own &#8220;their&#8221; book for nothing, in their point of view. So I reckon that they don&#8217;t like it either when libraries sell weeded books.</p>
<p>Making the transition to an eBook library means that there will not be any more &#8220;weeded&#8221; book sales. Hey, publishers and authors should be glad!</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not all.</p>
<p>Since eBooks don&#8217;t take up any space librarians won&#8217;t be forced to &#8220;weed&#8221; the collections like they do now, because of lack of space. In theory, they could keep some of those eBook files forever if they retain the files on their own servers, just in case a user might want to se them in the future, for historical reasons. And this is the crucial point. 99% of users don&#8217;t want to see those old books for historical reasons. They want to read popular new fiction and consult updated reference books, trustworthy and recent &#8220;how-to &#8221; manuals and other such stuff. It all about having you users, your citizens borrow stuff, keep circulation figures high, so you can justify the library&#8217;s existence. Librarians will go on buying new books to do this no matter what their format, eBook, or physical monograph or whatnot. </p>
<p>Publishers should get this into their head: The total number of books a public library owns is largely irrelevant for its existence. University libraries and national libraries brag about their total number of books and it&#8217;s important for them, but for a public library (those we are talking about here) it&#8217;s irrelevant for their survival. What counts is getting new books in, all the time, to keep borrowing figures high. They&#8217;ll go on buying books even their &#8220;old&#8221; ones are still intact, so stop bothering them with useless borrowing limits and other DRM obsessions.</p>
<p>Oh, and another thing, all, and I mean absolutely all the statistics show that in North America the towns and cities with the highest borrowing figures in their public libraries are also the ones where the population buys the most books. It&#8217;s proven by exact numbers that the love of reading is a &#8220;disease&#8221; spread by libraries and beneficial to publishers. Many publishers figured this out long, long ago and put up special marketing departments targeting public libraries in particular. I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if the people in thses departments were laid off when big publishers were consolidated and bougth out by companies with no publishing background.</p>
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		<title>By: barbarafister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1043219</link>
		<dc:creator>barbarafister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, libraries pay more for e-books than print, more than an individual consumer pays. I understand they typically run over $20.00 a pop. It&#039;s cheaper for libraries to buy a $25.00 retail print book because of the library discount. There are some costs, obviously, with processing and housing a printed book, but there are also high costs from the library to the vendor (Overdrive) for hosting the service. Plus lots of time spent trying to help people use the software on various devices - and explaining that the Kindle won&#039;t read library e-books and no, that&#039;s not a silly library rule, it&#039;s Amazon&#039;s. 

I&#039;m at an academic library, and we don&#039;t have Overdrive, and I&#039;m happy we don&#039;t. We do catalog CC-licensed books that we think our community will enjoy, though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, libraries pay more for e-books than print, more than an individual consumer pays. I understand they typically run over $20.00 a pop. It&#8217;s cheaper for libraries to buy a $25.00 retail print book because of the library discount. There are some costs, obviously, with processing and housing a printed book, but there are also high costs from the library to the vendor (Overdrive) for hosting the service. Plus lots of time spent trying to help people use the software on various devices &#8211; and explaining that the Kindle won&#8217;t read library e-books and no, that&#8217;s not a silly library rule, it&#8217;s Amazon&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m at an academic library, and we don&#8217;t have Overdrive, and I&#8217;m happy we don&#8217;t. We do catalog CC-licensed books that we think our community will enjoy, though. </p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042709</link>
		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I love about the internet is that stupid comments and blatant lies can be immediately refuted by evidence.  It is especially nice when that evidence comes in the form of an easily linked video.

Every librarian should send the link back to HC.  

And HC - admit you&#039;re profit-mongers, but please don&#039;t try to lie to us about what is patently obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I love about the internet is that stupid comments and blatant lies can be immediately refuted by evidence.  It is especially nice when that evidence comes in the form of an easily linked video.</p>
<p>Every librarian should send the link back to HC.  </p>
<p>And HC &#8211; admit you&#8217;re profit-mongers, but please don&#8217;t try to lie to us about what is patently obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: lilbacon3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042712</link>
		<dc:creator>lilbacon3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitch hiker&#039;s thumb!

Another swindle for the rich to get richer.
This MAY be a biased selection of books, though. :/
I like to think that they weren&#039;t trying to be fraudulent in any way in the making of this video.  Seems pretty straight-forward.

Also, sake and grape juice tastes like grape juice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitch hiker&#8217;s thumb!</p>
<p>Another swindle for the rich to get richer.<br />
This MAY be a biased selection of books, though. :/<br />
I like to think that they weren&#8217;t trying to be fraudulent in any way in the making of this video.  Seems pretty straight-forward.</p>
<p>Also, sake and grape juice tastes like grape juice.</p>
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		<title>By: kullervo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042714</link>
		<dc:creator>kullervo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do volunteer shelving at my local library, and we have some books that have been in circulation for decades and are still holding together. We even have paperbacks with soft, curling, slowly shredding covers that keep going for years. Heck, I think the magazines live longer than 26 weeks.

The folks I feel most sorry for in this are the authors with books at HC. If they go through with this, libraries should drop HC ebooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do volunteer shelving at my local library, and we have some books that have been in circulation for decades and are still holding together. We even have paperbacks with soft, curling, slowly shredding covers that keep going for years. Heck, I think the magazines live longer than 26 weeks.</p>
<p>The folks I feel most sorry for in this are the authors with books at HC. If they go through with this, libraries should drop HC ebooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042715</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s irrelevant whether paper books become unreadable after X number of checkouts. When you buy an eBook you expect it to last forever. I mean, isn&#039;t that the point of them (as well as portability)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s irrelevant whether paper books become unreadable after X number of checkouts. When you buy an eBook you expect it to last forever. I mean, isn&#8217;t that the point of them (as well as portability)?</p>
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		<title>By: That Evening Sun</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042718</link>
		<dc:creator>That Evening Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray librarians! Hopefully this video and word of HC&#039;s ridiculous policy will spread to libraries around the country and either kill the policy or kill HC&#039;s e-book business in libraries. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray librarians! Hopefully this video and word of HC&#8217;s ridiculous policy will spread to libraries around the country and either kill the policy or kill HC&#8217;s e-book business in libraries. </p>
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		<title>By: millrick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042719</link>
		<dc:creator>millrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>question to HC?
will you let the library sell e-copies of your books in on-line discount bins?
i&#039;d pay a couple of dollars to get a tattered ebook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>question to HC?<br />
will you let the library sell e-copies of your books in on-line discount bins?<br />
i&#8217;d pay a couple of dollars to get a tattered ebook</p>
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		<title>By: alllie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042720</link>
		<dc:creator>alllie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love real books. But the ability to enlarging the print on a kindle is a real selling point for me. Though mostly I buy the real book and the kindle version to read. If I can. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love real books. But the ability to enlarging the print on a kindle is a real selling point for me. Though mostly I buy the real book and the kindle version to read. If I can. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042721</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the voice holding the camera - I can tell you that the biggest problem we had making the video and finding books was that ones with even higher checkouts were currently checked out to patrons - so we couldn&#039;t feature the physical item in the video.
So we selected HC titles representative of what&#039;s in all of our branch locations.
No stretching the truth. Librarian&#039;s promise.

And thank you to BoingBoing for highlighting this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the voice holding the camera &#8211; I can tell you that the biggest problem we had making the video and finding books was that ones with even higher checkouts were currently checked out to patrons &#8211; so we couldn&#8217;t feature the physical item in the video.<br />
So we selected HC titles representative of what&#8217;s in all of our branch locations.<br />
No stretching the truth. Librarian&#8217;s promise.</p>
<p>And thank you to BoingBoing for highlighting this</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkandDrive</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042725</link>
		<dc:creator>ThinkandDrive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are missing the underlying motive here. HC can now begin to produce their dead tree media books with sub-standard materials and slipshod workmanship. After all, &quot;Our digital works are only good for 26 checkouts, so our tangible good should reflect that as well.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are missing the underlying motive here. HC can now begin to produce their dead tree media books with sub-standard materials and slipshod workmanship. After all, &#8220;Our digital works are only good for 26 checkouts, so our tangible good should reflect that as well.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042726</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see this statistic being true for paperbacks. I avoid letting my dad read any paperbacks of mine because he likes to open them flat on the table and crush them so they stay open regardless of the horrendous damage to the spine.

However, it seems to me that libraries prefer hardcovers or at least some of the new plastic based covers that do not crease.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see this statistic being true for paperbacks. I avoid letting my dad read any paperbacks of mine because he likes to open them flat on the table and crush them so they stay open regardless of the horrendous damage to the spine.</p>
<p>However, it seems to me that libraries prefer hardcovers or at least some of the new plastic based covers that do not crease.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042729</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can we just fire the dork, or group of dorks that are trying to push this for their salary, im losing the patience to just let karma catch up with them.  its a bad idea, with the kind of paradigm shift that new tech provides, this is the shaite that holds it back, takes way too much attention, and in their hearts, the would complain if someone did it to them...hell maybe they feel justified cause someone did do it to them, and they now figure its just the way of the world, which it may have been, may actually be, but doesn&#039;t need to be anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can we just fire the dork, or group of dorks that are trying to push this for their salary, im losing the patience to just let karma catch up with them.  its a bad idea, with the kind of paradigm shift that new tech provides, this is the shaite that holds it back, takes way too much attention, and in their hearts, the would complain if someone did it to them&#8230;hell maybe they feel justified cause someone did do it to them, and they now figure its just the way of the world, which it may have been, may actually be, but doesn&#8217;t need to be anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: moosetoga</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042730</link>
		<dc:creator>moosetoga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I take it that HC&#039;s argument is that their printed books only last an average of 26 checkouts. If that&#039;s the case, merely showing off some books of theirs that lasted longer than that doesn&#039;t offer much evidence to the contrary, since those could just be the books in the top 50%, durability-wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take it that HC&#8217;s argument is that their printed books only last an average of 26 checkouts. If that&#8217;s the case, merely showing off some books of theirs that lasted longer than that doesn&#8217;t offer much evidence to the contrary, since those could just be the books in the top 50%, durability-wise.</p>
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		<title>By: travis08</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042733</link>
		<dc:creator>travis08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shocked by the news that HarperCollins has told libraries that its ebooks will now self-destruct after 26 checkouts because that&#039;s how long a print book lasts&quot;

Based on your earlier post the lifespan of a book was only one of many factors.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/25/harpercollins-to-lib.html

&quot;Josh Marwell, President, Sales for HarperCollins, told LJ that the 26 circulation limit was arrived at after considering a number of factors, including the average lifespan of a print book, and wear and tear on circulating copies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shocked by the news that HarperCollins has told libraries that its ebooks will now self-destruct after 26 checkouts because that&#8217;s how long a print book lasts&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on your earlier post the lifespan of a book was only one of many factors.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/25/harpercollins-to-lib.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/25/harpercollins-to-lib.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Josh Marwell, President, Sales for HarperCollins, told LJ that the 26 circulation limit was arrived at after considering a number of factors, including the average lifespan of a print book, and wear and tear on circulating copies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the library where I work, we have Overdrive and we pay the MSRP for each copy of the digital edition of the book/license we purchase. For the same print item, we get a discount. Sure, it costs us money to pay staff to check out the book to a user, check it in, and shelve it, but we&#039;ve figured out a cost-effective way to do that--as many other libraries have. No one wants to dispute that publishers need to make money and recoup their costs, but I think what librarians are saying is that &quot;26&quot; seems arbitrary and it&#039;s not going to work for us. They&#039;re going to mess up our collection budget because of a decision they made based on what THEY want to charge us. &lt;a href=&quot;http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2011/03/01/my-thoughts-on-the-harper-collinsoverdrive-controversy/&quot;&gt;Meredith Farkas&lt;/a&gt; has some interesting points on how this whole thing will shake out. Bottom line: libraries want a fair cost structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the library where I work, we have Overdrive and we pay the MSRP for each copy of the digital edition of the book/license we purchase. For the same print item, we get a discount. Sure, it costs us money to pay staff to check out the book to a user, check it in, and shelve it, but we&#8217;ve figured out a cost-effective way to do that&#8211;as many other libraries have. No one wants to dispute that publishers need to make money and recoup their costs, but I think what librarians are saying is that &#8220;26&#8243; seems arbitrary and it&#8217;s not going to work for us. They&#8217;re going to mess up our collection budget because of a decision they made based on what THEY want to charge us. <a href="http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2011/03/01/my-thoughts-on-the-harper-collinsoverdrive-controversy/">Meredith Farkas</a> has some interesting points on how this whole thing will shake out. Bottom line: libraries want a fair cost structure.</p>
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		<title>By: rcharbon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1061944</link>
		<dc:creator>rcharbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What HarperCollins is doing is letting us know what they think an ebook is REALLY worth.  As a writer/publisher, I&#039;ve adjusted my prices accordingly:

http://y42k.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/harpercollins-tells-us-what-ebooks-are-really-worth/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What HarperCollins is doing is letting us know what they think an ebook is REALLY worth.  As a writer/publisher, I&#8217;ve adjusted my prices accordingly:</p>
<p><a href="http://y42k.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/harpercollins-tells-us-what-ebooks-are-really-worth/" rel="nofollow">http://y42k.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/harpercollins-tells-us-what-ebooks-are-really-worth/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042747</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the library pay for hosting or DRM server costs? I say if the library is hosting the file and pays for the DRM server, then yeah they should have full unlimited access for the book per license. If they are not paying for the hosting and DRM, then no way, that&#039;s just crazy to expect to pay for a service once and then have a high volume lending free forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the library pay for hosting or DRM server costs? I say if the library is hosting the file and pays for the DRM server, then yeah they should have full unlimited access for the book per license. If they are not paying for the hosting and DRM, then no way, that&#8217;s just crazy to expect to pay for a service once and then have a high volume lending free forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042749</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the future all librarians and archivists will be pirates. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the future all librarians and archivists will be pirates. </p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1043007</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An anarchivist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An anarchivist!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesMason</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042752</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesMason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main thing that HC was worried about was the eventual degradation of the product.  The typical e-book starts as a digital file, then is turned into something people can actually read on a kindle, a nook, etc., and is then squished back down into a digital file when you &quot;return&quot; it to the library.  This constant expansion and squishing will eventually corrupt the file making it illegible.  Take a photocopy of something, then use the shrink setting to shrink it.  Copy that, and then blow it back up.  Do this 26 times.  You will likely end up with an illegible mess.

E-books are EXACTLY like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main thing that HC was worried about was the eventual degradation of the product.  The typical e-book starts as a digital file, then is turned into something people can actually read on a kindle, a nook, etc., and is then squished back down into a digital file when you &#8220;return&#8221; it to the library.  This constant expansion and squishing will eventually corrupt the file making it illegible.  Take a photocopy of something, then use the shrink setting to shrink it.  Copy that, and then blow it back up.  Do this 26 times.  You will likely end up with an illegible mess.</p>
<p>E-books are EXACTLY like that.</p>
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		<title>By: erudite_ogre</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042759</link>
		<dc:creator>erudite_ogre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@travis08

But they put that out as a particular reason, and have not stated what the other reasons are, so it is quite reasonable to dispute their claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@travis08</p>
<p>But they put that out as a particular reason, and have not stated what the other reasons are, so it is quite reasonable to dispute their claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Guysmiley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042760</link>
		<dc:creator>Guysmiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Josh Marwell, President, Sales for HarperCollins, told LJ that the 26 circulation limit was arrived at after considering a number of factors, including the average lifespan of a print book, and wear and tear on circulating copies.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The unmentioned factors were &quot;How big of greedy douchebags are we&quot; and &quot;How badly do we want to screw over libraries&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Josh Marwell, President, Sales for HarperCollins, told LJ that the 26 circulation limit was arrived at after considering a number of factors, including the average lifespan of a print book, and wear and tear on circulating copies.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The unmentioned factors were &#8220;How big of greedy douchebags are we&#8221; and &#8220;How badly do we want to screw over libraries&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Maneki Nico</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042767</link>
		<dc:creator>Maneki Nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but will it pass the &#8220;double fold&#8221; test?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Fold

Shh, don&#8217;t tell HarperCollins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but will it pass the &ldquo;double fold&rdquo; test?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Fold" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Fold</a></p>
<p>Shh, don&rsquo;t tell HarperCollins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessamyn West</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042768</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessamyn West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; In the future all librarians and archivists will be pirates. 

In the present many of them are already. 

We&#039;d really really like to work out something equitable and fair with publishers, but treating libraries -- one of the largest purchasers of books in the US -- as an annoying problem that publishers have to barely tolerate is framing the issue in the worst possible way.

OverDrive has been trying to do the right thing here, but they&#039;re in a terrible place. I hope HarperCollins feels the bite and comes back to the table with realistic alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> In the future all librarians and archivists will be pirates. </p>
<p>In the present many of them are already. </p>
<p>We&#8217;d really really like to work out something equitable and fair with publishers, but treating libraries &#8212; one of the largest purchasers of books in the US &#8212; as an annoying problem that publishers have to barely tolerate is framing the issue in the worst possible way.</p>
<p>OverDrive has been trying to do the right thing here, but they&#8217;re in a terrible place. I hope HarperCollins feels the bite and comes back to the table with realistic alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Znaps</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1043025</link>
		<dc:creator>Znaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eventually, I think that librarians will be forced to learn one book off by heart, and recite it to anyone who wants to read it.

We will need many more librarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually, I think that librarians will be forced to learn one book off by heart, and recite it to anyone who wants to read it.</p>
<p>We will need many more librarians.</p>
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		<title>By: theanalogdivide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042771</link>
		<dc:creator>theanalogdivide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except the ebook isn&#039;t ever &quot;returned&quot; to the library. The file is downloaded to the user&#039;s device with a license for the loan period. When this period expires, the file becomes undreadable, and (on some devices) is deleted automatically from the device. When another user checks out the book, the file is downloaded again - from the original source. 

A big part of this debate comes from a blind allegiance to the &quot;Pretend it&#039;s Print&quot; model. (For a more thorough explanation, see http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/12/lots-of-markets-lots-of-business-models.html) ebooks aren&#039;t like print books, and it&#039;s going to create a lot of changes in the way books are used, both from the publisher end and the library end. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except the ebook isn&#8217;t ever &#8220;returned&#8221; to the library. The file is downloaded to the user&#8217;s device with a license for the loan period. When this period expires, the file becomes undreadable, and (on some devices) is deleted automatically from the device. When another user checks out the book, the file is downloaded again &#8211; from the original source. </p>
<p>A big part of this debate comes from a blind allegiance to the &#8220;Pretend it&#8217;s Print&#8221; model. (For a more thorough explanation, see <a href="http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/12/lots-of-markets-lots-of-business-models.html" rel="nofollow">http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/12/lots-of-markets-lots-of-business-models.html</a>) ebooks aren&#8217;t like print books, and it&#8217;s going to create a lot of changes in the way books are used, both from the publisher end and the library end. </p>
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		<title>By: Rajio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042772</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed that many are already but I can just feel the word &#039;archivist&#039; slowly slipping in to being a pejorative slur for pirate. They&#039;re becoming synonymous. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed that many are already but I can just feel the word &#8216;archivist&#8217; slowly slipping in to being a pejorative slur for pirate. They&#8217;re becoming synonymous. </p>
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		<title>By: theanalogdivide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042773</link>
		<dc:creator>theanalogdivide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new classic of dystopian literature somewhere in that comment, Rajio. I&#039;d buy it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new classic of dystopian literature somewhere in that comment, Rajio. I&#8217;d buy it. </p>
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		<title>By: EMJ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/03/how-a-harpercollins.html#comment-1042783</link>
		<dc:creator>EMJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@theanalogdivide in reply to JamesMason

Go to the nearest library and look up &quot;sarcasm&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@theanalogdivide in reply to JamesMason</p>
<p>Go to the nearest library and look up &#8220;sarcasm&#8221;.</p>
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