I love how people don’t think about the fact that the President may be tyrannized just as much as we are.

Actually, I do consider that. I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point high level psy-ops got to him after the election and I would never in million years put it past corporatists to threaten the life of his loved ones and/or other terroristic threats designed to coerce him into doing their biddings.

But even if that is the case, he needs to stand up to tyranny like the rest of us. Do the right thing even at great risk. Or, he’s going to go down in history as yet another failure of a man that allowed the corporatists to continue their destruction of the American public at large.

There’s already so much death and suffering… it needs to stop. Someone in power needs to revolt. Change we can believe in… it’s time.

(Someone doesn’t like an anti-BoingBoing comment…sorry, you can only use that once per debate).

Cute, smart and funny in the face of tyranny. What a guy.

This is very true, Cowicide.

Unfortunately, if one had to choose between a political party that occasionally feels guilt over being craven, or one that actively seeks to drag the planet back to the 1400s and feels no shame about it, I’d say you should pick the occasionally guilty-feeling ones.

1) Naming soldiers isn’t the only way to harm them. It only takes 3 pieces of benign info to identify someone and the fact that you are in the US military is one.

2) I hope we won’t be told If someone is hurt. Doing so would reveal even more and threaten even more.

3) Keeping ones secrets or breaking others has been a part of war since the 16th century. Weak encryption got Mary queen of Scots killed.

4) Even if a soldier or a supporter is never hurt, identifying what goes on behind the scenes will only embarrass our allies and make others even more reluctant to befriend us. It looks to me like Wikileaks has done much more damage than what is claimed the previous president administration did.

5) The idea of complete transparency is as naive as the idea of complete national isolation that Jefferson had until Napolean opened his eyes (which should have already been opened by the French revolution, Monticello being captured by foreign troops, the whitehouse being burned by foreign troops, etc.).

6) “innocent until held guilty” is in a civil court, and not a military one. How citizens are treated in civil court is another story that we must investigate.

If Manning didn’t want to be held to these standards, then why did he/she swear to do so?

Some internet floater (yes, I’m comparing you to a buoyant turd) weighs in with his irrelevant opinion, what a shocking post!

The story here is that your asshole government is torturing one of its citizens, not that his dad is (understandably) upset about it. Are you so stupid that you didn’t catch that?

Let me say it again:
Americans: let this be a lesson NOT to join your bad-haircut killers’ club. It’s for morons and robots (not the good kind).

I see THIS SAME GOVERNMENT trying to FORCE Muslims to turn each other in based on nothing but “suspicion” and “possible beard size”, while making it impossible for people IN the government to do to each other. The first is incredibly ethnocentric, and the second is an example of the FREE DEMOCRACY OF THE GREAT UNITED STATES current stance on “checks and balances” (basically, we have OFFICIALLY [and you can NOT argue against this and win with anyone, I swear] turned the American Government into a less-obvious version of the ones our “forefathers” ran away from and died to keep out).

This isn’t Obama’s fault, nor is it the United States governments
(see? I’m forgiving).

It’s ours for settling on only have the option to choose between shit and crap for so long. They just opened the secret files in Egypt. What do you think we would find if we went through the archives of the CIA, FBI, and all other government orgs?

I’ve gotta stop these responses. Pissing in the wind is incredibly frustrating.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html

Do you even care to know their names?

Do you care what the Taliban does to human beings?

No – you don’t. Because Manning is a romantic figure to everybody in their teens and early twenties.

Today, the American military can determine your innocence or guilt (without trial), and you will subject to whatever punishments and denial of human rights that they choose. Welcome to modern America!

http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/

!!

We have to start the conversation and just agree that we are broken. Left/right, dem/repub is a waste of time.

The system is oh so broken, and has been sold. We are now owned by, as Michael Moore puts it, 400 men.

Time for a reset. Peaceful resistance needs to begin, we need true democracy now.

aoxomoxoa

…turned the American Government into a less-obvious version of the ones our “forefathers” ran away from and died to keep out…

Our forefathers bravely forced/paid other people to fight to cut the British monarchy out of the colonial economy, so that they themselves could suck on that sweet taxation teat.