Comments on: WIPO proposes punishing, extortionist-friendly trademark treaty aimed at eBay, Google, and Twitter http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 09:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: AGC http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1063951 AGC Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1063951 The genie is out of the bottle. Perfect digital copies, inexpensive media, inexpensive recording and mixing equipment have changed the industry. Film. Only a handful of large productions a year, produced by studios that use various tax breaks to stay afloat. TV. As low as you can go with production value, you get no writers, 1 camera, no set, no actors. The only thing left are cooking shows. Music. This is still an industry. Maybe we can make money off the t-shirts. Eventually governments around the world forced book printers to put their names in books, knowing that going after the penniless authors was useless. Going after the ISPs is better than going after the people who share content. As the old industries have given way the governments are trying to reassert this old technique. Waiting for the collapse. Local tv stations get subsidies to stay on the air, the primary advertising revenue comes from the automotive sector (that has collapsed) and from the real estate sector (that has collapsed). Much like the last days of the Soviet Union everything is a potemic village, propped up artificially and each thing television, cars, real estate dependent on the other. We are all Mohamed Bouazizi now, waiting for the old system to fall. The genie is out of the bottle. Perfect digital copies, inexpensive media, inexpensive recording and mixing equipment have changed the industry.

Film. Only a handful of large productions a year, produced by studios that use various tax breaks to stay afloat.

TV. As low as you can go with production value, you get no writers, 1 camera, no set, no actors. The only thing left are cooking shows.

Music. This is still an industry. Maybe we can make money off the t-shirts.

Eventually governments around the world forced book printers to put their names in books, knowing that going after the penniless authors was useless. Going after the ISPs is better than going after the people who share content. As the old industries have given way the governments are trying to reassert this old technique.

Waiting for the collapse. Local tv stations get subsidies to stay on the air, the primary advertising revenue comes from the automotive sector (that has collapsed) and from the real estate sector (that has collapsed). Much like the last days of the Soviet Union everything is a potemic village, propped up artificially and each thing television, cars, real estate dependent on the other. We are all Mohamed Bouazizi now, waiting for the old system to fall.

]]> By: Fang Xianfu http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1063987 Fang Xianfu Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1063987 Perhaps the best outcome we can hope for now is that these people get their every wish to come true - that ACTA passes and passes on its copyright-trolling, that this passes and lumps trademark enforcement on ISPs. Then when sites like Youtube and Facebook are forced to close or drastically downsize (eg with paywalls to finance all the lawyers they'd need) and when ISPs start shutting down and ruining the market for internet connections (who's going to afford to invest in new infrastructure?), and economies start contracting as those nations with those laws start to lose the war of ideas, and those industries that the laws were supposed to protect are still doing no better, then maybe they'll relent. At least, 10 or 20 years down the line, we'll be able to say we told them so. Perhaps the best outcome we can hope for now is that these people get their every wish to come true – that ACTA passes and passes on its copyright-trolling, that this passes and lumps trademark enforcement on ISPs. Then when sites like Youtube and Facebook are forced to close or drastically downsize (eg with paywalls to finance all the lawyers they’d need) and when ISPs start shutting down and ruining the market for internet connections (who’s going to afford to invest in new infrastructure?), and economies start contracting as those nations with those laws start to lose the war of ideas, and those industries that the laws were supposed to protect are still doing no better, then maybe they’ll relent.

At least, 10 or 20 years down the line, we’ll be able to say we told them so.

]]> By: Trond Aasland http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1064097 Trond Aasland Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1064097 Not that this is a new idea, but I still feel forcing ISPs and other service providers to enforce copyright law is like making road contractors monitor the roads for stolen cars ... Not that this is a new idea, but I still feel forcing ISPs and other service providers to enforce copyright law is like making road contractors monitor the roads for stolen cars …

]]> By: Zoman http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1064376 Zoman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1064376 I doubt they would be forced. They would get kick-backs, making it an additional revenue stream for the ISP et al. This being the case, they would be all over it like a fat kid on cake. There is no altruism involved in the ISP business. Certainly anyway when discussing the soulless f*cks that run the 3 companies that have 75% of the market share (in the UK). I doubt they would be forced. They would get kick-backs, making it an additional revenue stream for the ISP et al. This being the case, they would be all over it like a fat kid on cake. There is no altruism involved in the ISP business. Certainly anyway when discussing the soulless f*cks that run the 3 companies that have 75% of the market share (in the UK).

]]> By: Trond Aasland http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1064907 Trond Aasland Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1064907 Luckily the situation in Norway isn't nearly as monopolized (we do have 2-3 very big ISPs, but also many smaller ones), and we actually have a long history of ISPs refusing to hand out personal data linked to IP addresses - even going as far as contesting court orders, and suing to establish that these data shouldn't be stored beyond what's necessary for billing and such. This of course doesn't apply to all ISPs, and for all the ones fighting back I'm willing to bet there are quite a few cases of data being handed over just to keep the media out of their hair. Still, there's a strong (and growing) popular movement against the EU Directive 2006/24/EF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention#European_Union) which (hopefully) might lead to people being a bit more aware of how these things might affect them. Still, it's pretty disturbing to see how these things are evolving throughout the world, and how a lot of people don't seem to mind private companies circumventing due process in the hunt for profit. Luckily the situation in Norway isn’t nearly as monopolized (we do have 2-3 very big ISPs, but also many smaller ones), and we actually have a long history of ISPs refusing to hand out personal data linked to IP addresses – even going as far as contesting court orders, and suing to establish that these data shouldn’t be stored beyond what’s necessary for billing and such. This of course doesn’t apply to all ISPs, and for all the ones fighting back I’m willing to bet there are quite a few cases of data being handed over just to keep the media out of their hair. Still, there’s a strong (and growing) popular movement against the EU Directive 2006/24/EF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention#European_Union) which (hopefully) might lead to people being a bit more aware of how these things might affect them. Still, it’s pretty disturbing to see how these things are evolving throughout the world, and how a lot of people don’t seem to mind private companies circumventing due process in the hunt for profit.

]]> By: traalfaz http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1063890 traalfaz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1063890 So why do they let used book stores and used record stores, and for that matter, flea markets and garage sales to continue to sell copyrighted media? Idiots. So why do they let used book stores and used record stores, and for that matter, flea markets and garage sales to continue to sell copyrighted media?
Idiots.

]]> By: angusm http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1063904 angusm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1063904 Patience, patience. They'll get there. Patience, patience. They’ll get there.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1063908 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1063908 They are all crooks. Politicians, Lawyers, Judges, and a lot of Police not to mention the Banks. The common man is surrounded by crooks and thieves.So this should be no surprise. Next u will have to be bonded to get net access or get the permission of some rights or trademark association. How about an Interpol i.p. background check. They are all crooks. Politicians, Lawyers, Judges, and a lot of Police not to mention the Banks. The common man is surrounded by crooks and thieves.So this should be no surprise. Next u will have to be bonded to get net access or get the permission of some rights or trademark association. How about an Interpol i.p. background check.

]]> By: shadowfirebird http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/wipo-proposes-punish.html#comment-1064948 shadowfirebird Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1064948 Imagine explaining the internet to your grandchildren, who have never experienced it. They would think you were making it up. Sad thought. Imagine explaining the internet to your grandchildren, who have never experienced it.

They would think you were making it up.

Sad thought.

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