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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1068041</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve been using their extension for Chrome for about a year...very handy
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ghnomdcacenbmilgjigehppbamfndblo

also available for fireox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/the-camelizer-price-history-ch/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve been using their extension for Chrome for about a year&#8230;very handy<br />
<a href="https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ghnomdcacenbmilgjigehppbamfndblo" rel="nofollow">https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ghnomdcacenbmilgjigehppbamfndblo</a></p>
<p>also available for fireox<br />
<a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/the-camelizer-price-history-ch/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/the-camelizer-price-history-ch/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wavechild</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066770</link>
		<dc:creator>wavechild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not available for Firefox 4.0&quot;

Bummer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not available for Firefox 4.0&#8243;</p>
<p>Bummer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nightflyer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067032</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a lovely site! I&#039;ll be using this from now on. Thanks for the recommedation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a lovely site! I&#8217;ll be using this from now on. Thanks for the recommedation!</p>
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		<title>By: Steiny</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066778</link>
		<dc:creator>Steiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MushroomMushroom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MushroomMushroom!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066780</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A snake! A snaaaaaaaaaake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A snake! A snaaaaaaaaaake!</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067049</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laughed when I noticed that if you click on any of the example links in the comments, the &quot;Camel users who viewed this product also viewed...&quot; contains the other examples people posted in the comments :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed when I noticed that if you click on any of the example links in the comments, the &#8220;Camel users who viewed this product also viewed&#8230;&#8221; contains the other examples people posted in the comments :)</p>
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		<title>By: jimh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066801</link>
		<dc:creator>jimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the best price on those TRON lightcycles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the best price on those TRON lightcycles?</p>
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		<title>By: lostalaska</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066804</link>
		<dc:creator>lostalaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been using camel for about 6 months now and love it.  It&#039;s super handy when I&#039;m looking through Amazon or NewEgg for electronics projects.  There was another price tracker I used to use before I switched to Chrome from Firefox.  I&#039;m desperately trying to remember the name of the Firefox plugin that did almost the exact same thing...  When I get home I&#039;ll check on my computer if I still have it.

Side note.... the camel website works very well too, even if the plugin isn&#039;t available yet for your browser (which admittedly is way more convenient).  You can still copy and paste the URL of a page from amazon into the camel website and it will give you the history that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been using camel for about 6 months now and love it.  It&#8217;s super handy when I&#8217;m looking through Amazon or NewEgg for electronics projects.  There was another price tracker I used to use before I switched to Chrome from Firefox.  I&#8217;m desperately trying to remember the name of the Firefox plugin that did almost the exact same thing&#8230;  When I get home I&#8217;ll check on my computer if I still have it.</p>
<p>Side note&#8230;. the camel website works very well too, even if the plugin isn&#8217;t available yet for your browser (which admittedly is way more convenient).  You can still copy and paste the URL of a page from amazon into the camel website and it will give you the history that way.</p>
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		<title>By: hoffmanbike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066818</link>
		<dc:creator>hoffmanbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gazaro.com used to do this (it looked better) but they stopped doing the graphs and just started doing &quot;price recommendation s&quot; or some crap so i never go there anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gazaro.com used to do this (it looked better) but they stopped doing the graphs and just started doing &#8220;price recommendation s&#8221; or some crap so i never go there anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066822</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are working on a Firefox 4-compatible version of our add-on and plan to launch it this weekend, provided we fix the last bug(s) that we have found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are working on a Firefox 4-compatible version of our add-on and plan to launch it this weekend, provided we fix the last bug(s) that we have found.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066826</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wavechild: i&#039;m using firefox 4, and it seems to work for me. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wavechild: i&#8217;m using firefox 4, and it seems to work for me. </p>
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		<title>By: fremsley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067599</link>
		<dc:creator>fremsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, have been looking for price history summaries for some time. Very pleased browsing through it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, have been looking for price history summaries for some time. Very pleased browsing through it.  </p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066839</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; need to incorporate shipping costs, at least for non-standardized shipping items (books, DVDs, music, etc. all have preset shipping costs, generally that the seller can&#039;t change).

Here&#039;s a perfect example that I tried off of my list.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/KRAFT-BUBBLE-MAILERS-PADDED-ENVELOPE/product/B000GHXWI4&quot;&gt;250 #0 6x10 KRAFT BUBBLE MAILERS&lt;/a&gt;

You&#039;ll see that there was one hell of a precipitous drop on 02-23-2011. I will guarantee you 100% that the shipping on that particular listing was equal to &lt;b&gt;at least&lt;/b&gt; the price delta. And probably more, since people are more likely to buy something once it&#039;s in their cart, and they&#039;re primarily attracted to base price, not price+shipping.

So basically, for anything with variable shipping charges, you&#039;ll spend a lot of time doing mental math on an alert only to find out that it&#039;s the same price that it was yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They <i>really</i> need to incorporate shipping costs, at least for non-standardized shipping items (books, DVDs, music, etc. all have preset shipping costs, generally that the seller can&#8217;t change).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a perfect example that I tried off of my list.</p>
<p><a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/KRAFT-BUBBLE-MAILERS-PADDED-ENVELOPE/product/B000GHXWI4">250 #0 6&#215;10 KRAFT BUBBLE MAILERS</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see that there was one hell of a precipitous drop on 02-23-2011. I will guarantee you 100% that the shipping on that particular listing was equal to <b>at least</b> the price delta. And probably more, since people are more likely to buy something once it&#8217;s in their cart, and they&#8217;re primarily attracted to base price, not price+shipping.</p>
<p>So basically, for anything with variable shipping charges, you&#8217;ll spend a lot of time doing mental math on an alert only to find out that it&#8217;s the same price that it was yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067096</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$3,068.99 (down from $3,199.99) for a 74GB drive?  

Yes, that&#039;s GB.  Not TB.

http://camelcamelcamel.com/74GB-3-5-Sata-10K-Velociraptor/product/B001JEPBMI

I clicked on the &#039;Buy Now!&#039; button:  Wonderful: It&#039;s down to &#039;only&#039; $153.96 - &quot;You Save: $3,046.03 (95%)&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$3,068.99 (down from $3,199.99) for a 74GB drive?  </p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s GB.  Not TB.</p>
<p><a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/74GB-3-5-Sata-10K-Velociraptor/product/B001JEPBMI" rel="nofollow">http://camelcamelcamel.com/74GB-3-5-Sata-10K-Velociraptor/product/B001JEPBMI</a></p>
<p>I clicked on the &#8216;Buy Now!&#8217; button:  Wonderful: It&#8217;s down to &#8216;only&#8217; $153.96 &#8211; &#8220;You Save: $3,046.03 (95%)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Comedian</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067620</link>
		<dc:creator>Comedian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Market timing is tough, even with the charts from CamelCamelCamel.

Check out this chart, showing amazon itself seeking a sale with price drops (IIRC, listed two items in stock while displaying this behaviour), then right as the reported inventory level dropped to &quot;Only 1 left in stock&quot; the amazon direct price shot back up to the baseline. (From $619.59 back up to $900 the next day.)

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Steiner-256-10-Predator-Binocular/product/B0032O549S?active=summary&amp;cpf[]=amazon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Market timing is tough, even with the charts from CamelCamelCamel.</p>
<p>Check out this chart, showing amazon itself seeking a sale with price drops (IIRC, listed two items in stock while displaying this behaviour), then right as the reported inventory level dropped to &#8220;Only 1 left in stock&#8221; the amazon direct price shot back up to the baseline. (From $619.59 back up to $900 the next day.)</p>
<p><a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/Steiner-256-10-Predator-Binocular/product/B0032O549S?active=summary&#038;cpf=amazon" rel="nofollow">http://camelcamelcamel.com/Steiner-256-10-Predator-Binocular/product/B0032O549S?active=summary&#038;cpf=amazon</a></p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066858</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s actually a lot of cool stuff to be had on these graphs, even if they look simple.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/Cisco-Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Compatible/product/B000BTL0OA&quot;&gt;Cisco-Linksys WRT54GL Wireless-G Broadband Router (Compatible with Linux)&lt;/a&gt;

You see the drops so large and quick that they just look like a straight line? That means that sellers are holding on to these for a while, getting pissed off at having it sit on a shelf, and dropped the price substantially just to get rid of it. That&#039;s the marketplace equivalent of clearance, and you could save a lot of money if you have an alert and buy it &lt;i&gt;immediately&lt;/i&gt;.The graph resolution looks to be about a day, so those drops on one listing are being &#039;fixed&#039; within the same day, in that someone buys them before the other sellers start to drop to compete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s actually a lot of cool stuff to be had on these graphs, even if they look simple.</p>
<p><a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/Cisco-Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Compatible/product/B000BTL0OA">Cisco-Linksys WRT54GL Wireless-G Broadband Router (Compatible with Linux)</a></p>
<p>You see the drops so large and quick that they just look like a straight line? That means that sellers are holding on to these for a while, getting pissed off at having it sit on a shelf, and dropped the price substantially just to get rid of it. That&#8217;s the marketplace equivalent of clearance, and you could save a lot of money if you have an alert and buy it <i>immediately</i>.The graph resolution looks to be about a day, so those drops on one listing are being &#8216;fixed&#8217; within the same day, in that someone buys them before the other sellers start to drop to compete.</p>
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		<title>By: lyd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067117</link>
		<dc:creator>lyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL Antinous and Steiny, I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one.  I opened the comments to this post only because I was irresistibly compelled to make some badger-related quip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL Antinous and Steiny, I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one.  I opened the comments to this post only because I was irresistibly compelled to make some badger-related quip.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067119</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For things that do follow a standard curve, there&#039;s actually a very low-tech solution for a user to forecast.

There&#039;s a button on the bottom left of the graphs that will show $0.00 as the y-axis terminus. Click that, get a ruler, and make the ruler roughly follow a line of best fit (so that you have roughly the same number of data points above and below). You can then read off dollar amounts into the future, and estimate the date by seeing where you would fall on the x-axis.

This will work in the short-term but the not the long-term, since you&#039;re looking at convergence (in that no one will sell a product for 0 or negative dollars).

Will it make you look like an idiot? Yes! Is it mathematically sound? Mostly!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_of_a_function#Motivation&quot;&gt; Limit of a function: Motivation (Wikipedia)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For things that do follow a standard curve, there&#8217;s actually a very low-tech solution for a user to forecast.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a button on the bottom left of the graphs that will show $0.00 as the y-axis terminus. Click that, get a ruler, and make the ruler roughly follow a line of best fit (so that you have roughly the same number of data points above and below). You can then read off dollar amounts into the future, and estimate the date by seeing where you would fall on the x-axis.</p>
<p>This will work in the short-term but the not the long-term, since you&#8217;re looking at convergence (in that no one will sell a product for 0 or negative dollars).</p>
<p>Will it make you look like an idiot? Yes! Is it mathematically sound? Mostly!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_of_a_function#Motivation"> Limit of a function: Motivation (Wikipedia)</a></p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067127</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as &quot;(a new model just came out!)&quot;, you actually &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; run equations to forecast that, as long as you have continuing data on the old model, after the new model has already been out. A dash of epsilon-delta will basically re-calc the new curve, from when it diverges from the old curve.

But then, it depends. We&#039;ve had three new models of SATA HDD since &lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/Hitachi-Deskstar-7200RPM-Internal-0F10381/product/B002Y5XR72&quot;&gt;500GB drives&lt;/a&gt; came out. They&#039;re probably not going to drop under $30. So you also need to be able to identify that value plateau, if you want to avoid waiting around to buy something that won&#039;t get cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as &#8220;(a new model just came out!)&#8221;, you actually <i>can</i> run equations to forecast that, as long as you have continuing data on the old model, after the new model has already been out. A dash of epsilon-delta will basically re-calc the new curve, from when it diverges from the old curve.</p>
<p>But then, it depends. We&#8217;ve had three new models of SATA HDD since <a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/Hitachi-Deskstar-7200RPM-Internal-0F10381/product/B002Y5XR72">500GB drives</a> came out. They&#8217;re probably not going to drop under $30. So you also need to be able to identify that value plateau, if you want to avoid waiting around to buy something that won&#8217;t get cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfSamSeaborn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066872</link>
		<dc:creator>SonOfSamSeaborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1. I love it. In fact, if I&#039;m buying something from Amazon I normally go through their site whether I&#039;m tracking it or not, just to get them the commission. It would be great if you could sync your wishlist with it automatically though, using OAuth if Amazon support it. Between CamelCamelCamel and InvisibleHand, I actually end up temporarily switching to Chromium from Opera when I&#039;m ready to buy something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1. I love it. In fact, if I&#8217;m buying something from Amazon I normally go through their site whether I&#8217;m tracking it or not, just to get them the commission. It would be great if you could sync your wishlist with it automatically though, using OAuth if Amazon support it. Between CamelCamelCamel and InvisibleHand, I actually end up temporarily switching to Chromium from Opera when I&#8217;m ready to buy something.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067129</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@OP (Doug Wong?)

You should actually set your trigger on those headphones to $12, not $10. They&#039;re going to fall back down to that before $10. $10 looks like a one-off price from a seller trying to undercut the competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OP (Doug Wong?)</p>
<p>You should actually set your trigger on those headphones to $12, not $10. They&#8217;re going to fall back down to that before $10. $10 looks like a one-off price from a seller trying to undercut the competition.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066875</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/product/B002ZCXK0I&quot;&gt;Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Green SATA&lt;/a&gt;

Have you thought of trying out any forecasting? You&#039;ll notice that line is on a relatively smooth downslope. A little high school statistics application, and you should be able to offer the user an idea of &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt; something will be a certain price, at least within a rez of a couple of weeks. Not for a lot of things obviously, but for stuff that follows a standard pricing curve, like hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/product/B002ZCXK0I">Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Green SATA</a></p>
<p>Have you thought of trying out any forecasting? You&#8217;ll notice that line is on a relatively smooth downslope. A little high school statistics application, and you should be able to offer the user an idea of <i>when</i> something will be a certain price, at least within a rez of a couple of weeks. Not for a lot of things obviously, but for stuff that follows a standard pricing curve, like hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067134</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And actually, those headphones have a newer and an older version available.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/MEElectronics-M9-BK-Hi-Fi-Sound-Isolating-Headphones/product/B0038W0K1G&quot;&gt;The older version&lt;/a&gt; is at $11 right now, whereas &lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/MEElectronics-M31-BK-Headphones-iPhone-Players/product/B004OBZ2V8&quot;&gt;the newer version&lt;/a&gt; is $45, for the same reasons. I have no idea if there&#039;s a functional difference between versions, though they look about the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And actually, those headphones have a newer and an older version available.</p>
<p><a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/MEElectronics-M9-BK-Hi-Fi-Sound-Isolating-Headphones/product/B0038W0K1G">The older version</a> is at $11 right now, whereas <a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/MEElectronics-M31-BK-Headphones-iPhone-Players/product/B004OBZ2V8">the newer version</a> is $45, for the same reasons. I have no idea if there&#8217;s a functional difference between versions, though they look about the same.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067138</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed out on the opportunity of a lifetime! If you had bought this &lt;a href=&quot;http://camelcamelcamel.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/product/B000J36XR2&quot;&gt;AudioQuest K2 terminated speaker cable&lt;/a&gt; before December 31st, you would have saved $1,650! The power of hindsight, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed out on the opportunity of a lifetime! If you had bought this <a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/product/B000J36XR2">AudioQuest K2 terminated speaker cable</a> before December 31st, you would have saved $1,650! The power of hindsight, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067396</link>
		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you want the headphones now and are willing to pay $15, then why wait?&lt;/i&gt;

In a month, Doug stands a good chance of having the headphones and $5. You will have only the headphones. If he doesn&#039;t need the headphones now, Doug&#039;s method seems financially prudent to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you want the headphones now and are willing to pay $15, then why wait?</i></p>
<p>In a month, Doug stands a good chance of having the headphones and $5. You will have only the headphones. If he doesn&#8217;t need the headphones now, Doug&#8217;s method seems financially prudent to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066892</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We would incorporate shipping data if we could, but Amazon doesn&#039;t provide it to us at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We would incorporate shipping data if we could, but Amazon doesn&#8217;t provide it to us at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1066895</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forecasting would rule, and is something we&#039;ve considered but haven&#039;t put much time into.  Please email me (dan@shup.com) if you&#039;d like to discuss it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forecasting would rule, and is something we&#8217;ve considered but haven&#8217;t put much time into.  Please email me (dan@shup.com) if you&#8217;d like to discuss it further.</p>
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		<title>By: diggerdoug</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067436</link>
		<dc:creator>diggerdoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true, except that I also have a tracker on CamelEgg for $10 also, and there&#039;s a pattern of pricing at NewEgg dropping down to $10 occasionally.  I suppose I&#039;m just hoping that Amazon will have occasional drops like Newegg does because Newegg would charge me tax.  I suppose, taking tax into consideration, I should set my notification on Amazon at $10.90.  I completely see your point regarding the price history pattern, though.

Also, re: the other version you mention, you were right in that the M9-BK does have a functional difference from the M9P-BK.  No microphone on the M9.  The M31 is a higher-end model. I guess I should&#039;ve picked an item that everybody would be familiar with, but when I submitted my review to CoolTools, it was what I happened to be thinking about at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, except that I also have a tracker on CamelEgg for $10 also, and there&#8217;s a pattern of pricing at NewEgg dropping down to $10 occasionally.  I suppose I&#8217;m just hoping that Amazon will have occasional drops like Newegg does because Newegg would charge me tax.  I suppose, taking tax into consideration, I should set my notification on Amazon at $10.90.  I completely see your point regarding the price history pattern, though.</p>
<p>Also, re: the other version you mention, you were right in that the M9-BK does have a functional difference from the M9P-BK.  No microphone on the M9.  The M31 is a higher-end model. I guess I should&#8217;ve picked an item that everybody would be familiar with, but when I submitted my review to CoolTools, it was what I happened to be thinking about at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: stevew</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067693</link>
		<dc:creator>stevew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their Activation Email system appears to be down now. Can&#039;t Signup and then Sign In and password resets also fail.

I&#039;ve been using StreePrices for a very long time, no logins :) http://www.streetprices.com/ Sorts by shipping, graphs prices, sends reminder emails when target price is hit, covers retailers other than Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their Activation Email system appears to be down now. Can&#8217;t Signup and then Sign In and password resets also fail.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using StreePrices for a very long time, no logins :) <a href="http://www.streetprices.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetprices.com/</a> Sorts by shipping, graphs prices, sends reminder emails when target price is hit, covers retailers other than Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: diggerdoug</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/03/25/camelcamelcamel.html#comment-1067459</link>
		<dc:creator>diggerdoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t care how much something used to cost, but only if it&#039;s at or less than I am willing to pay.&quot;

All buyers base their idea of what they are &#039;willing to pay&#039; on a number of different factors. Those can include: what everybody else is willing to pay, what similar products are priced at, how much is in their bank account, as well as what that product used to be priced at.

I&#039;m sure, if you drive a car, you&#039;ve been upset at rising gas prices lately. Why have you been upset? Aren&#039;t you willing to pay $4 / gallon? If they raised it to $5 / gallon, wouldn&#039;t you still buy gasoline? That pain you feel is a direct result of your expectations for the price being based on previous price data. 

A year from now, if prices remain the same, you&#039;ll either go about your merry way at nearly $4 / gallon thinking &quot;this is how much gas costs&quot; or maybe you might still be thinking &quot;it used to only cost me $2.50 a gallon!&quot;  Either way, that thought is informed by previous prices (recent or remote).

By definition, we base our purchasing decisions based on what we&#039;re willing to pay, and most people use prior prices as part of that decision. Just maybe not for headphones.

But then, I could also phrase it this way: I am willing to spend $10 on a pair of headphones, and naturally want the best headphones I can get that fit my needs and budget. If I get them at significantly reduced price, I can get better headphones for the same budget. Based on the data Camel provides, I can tell which headphones are most likely to fall to within my budget. Who wouldn&#039;t want better stuff for the same amount of money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t care how much something used to cost, but only if it&#8217;s at or less than I am willing to pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>All buyers base their idea of what they are &#8216;willing to pay&#8217; on a number of different factors. Those can include: what everybody else is willing to pay, what similar products are priced at, how much is in their bank account, as well as what that product used to be priced at.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure, if you drive a car, you&#8217;ve been upset at rising gas prices lately. Why have you been upset? Aren&#8217;t you willing to pay $4 / gallon? If they raised it to $5 / gallon, wouldn&#8217;t you still buy gasoline? That pain you feel is a direct result of your expectations for the price being based on previous price data. </p>
<p>A year from now, if prices remain the same, you&#8217;ll either go about your merry way at nearly $4 / gallon thinking &#8220;this is how much gas costs&#8221; or maybe you might still be thinking &#8220;it used to only cost me $2.50 a gallon!&#8221;  Either way, that thought is informed by previous prices (recent or remote).</p>
<p>By definition, we base our purchasing decisions based on what we&#8217;re willing to pay, and most people use prior prices as part of that decision. Just maybe not for headphones.</p>
<p>But then, I could also phrase it this way: I am willing to spend $10 on a pair of headphones, and naturally want the best headphones I can get that fit my needs and budget. If I get them at significantly reduced price, I can get better headphones for the same budget. Based on the data Camel provides, I can tell which headphones are most likely to fall to within my budget. Who wouldn&#8217;t want better stuff for the same amount of money?</p>
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