Lies in London

By Laurie Penny


Demonstrators sit down on Piccadilly during a protest organised by the Trades Union Congress, in central London. Photo: Paul Hackett / Reuters

What went wrong?

As the dust settles and the slogans are scrubbed off the walls of Fortnum and Mason, that's the question the entire British Left is asking itself about the events of March the 26th. What went wrong? Where do we go from here? And most importantly, who do we blame?

That last part is easy: we blame it on the kids. The story currently being spun by the police, by parties in government, and by most of the press is that an otherwise successful mass demonstration was ruined by disgusting little vandals with hate in their hearts. That mindless acts of violence were perpetrated by a small, hardcore group of hooligans calling themselves 'the black bloc', who trashed banks and businesses at random and attacked the police without provocation. That their behaviour undermined and discredited the half-million citizens who marched to the rally point in Hyde Park. That it was a major own goal for the Left in this time of crisis.

That assessment is incorrect on nearly every level. Unfortunately, the handful of reporters, including myself, who dared to produce accounts of the day that run counter to the mainstream consensus, have been savagely attacked. We have been called thugs, liars and terrorists for having the temerity to put on record the police brutality that some of us observed and experienced in Trafalgar square. We have faced down attempts to bully and threaten us into retracting our testimonies.


Ben, 21, was struck on the head during marches in London.

I feel obligated to restate that the accepted public narrative about the events in London on March the 26th is factually incorrect on several important counts. In the first instance, there were not a 'few hundred' dedicated 'criminals' on Oxford Street and in Picadilly on Saturday, but thousands and thousands of people, mostly under thirty and unaffiliated, many of whom had come straight from flag-waving and banner-holding on the main march through Whitehall to join in with the peaceful actions planned in central London. These actions had been organised by the campaigning group UKUncut. Some of them, such as the store occupations, were potentially unlawful- but they were peaceful and politically motivated, like all of UKUncut's previous projects.

Secondly, the 'black bloc' - a phrase that will undoubtedly be used to terrify wavering tabloid readers for years to come - is not an organisation, but a tactic. It is a tactic used, rightly or wrongly, to facilitate the sort of civil disobedience that becomes attractive to the young and the desperate when every polite model of political expression has let them down. Although there were a small number of genuinely violent agitators in attendance on Saturday, most of them middle aged, drunk and uninterested in the main protest, a great many of the young people who chose to mask up and wear black in order to commit acts of civil disobedience had never done anything of the kind before.

Those young people came from all over the country. They were students, schoolkids, workers and union members. Nine months ago, many of them were political interns, members of the Labour party or volunteers for the Liberal Democrats. Nine months ago, many of them still believed, however naively, that the democratic process might deliver real change. Now a new spirit of youthful unrest has been born into an ugly and uncomprehending political reality. A generation has been radicalised by the betrayal of their modest request for a fair future, and by repeated experiences of police brutality against those who chose to resist.

Those young people, with their energy and their idealism, briefly looked set to capture the hearts and minds of the nation. Following the events of march the 26th, former sympathisers in the Labour movement and on the liberal left are now falling over themselves to disown Britain's disaffected youth.

Facing lazy calls to 'condemn the violence' or be held complicit in the media backlash, most of the centre-left has condemned, and condemned, and condemned. They have paused only to blame one another for ever entertaining these 'kids' and their politics. They have dismissed the angry young people of this country without actually asking themselves how it came to this.

That dismissal cannot be allowed to continue without serious unpacking. Ultimately, it is not these young people who have let down the Labour movement - it is the Labour movement and the Labour party in particular that has let down the young, the poor and the desperate, not once but repeatedly, failing to stand behind their demands for change, failing to offer any alternative to the cuts other than its own re-election on a platform of slightly mitigated austerity. We should not be surprised that so many thousands couldn't be bothered to listen to Ed Miliband speak, and went to Oxford Street instead to do some direct action.


An injury suffered by Ben, 21, is treated by a medic during marches in London.

Then there's the third misconception. The 'violence' enacted upon the defenceless shopfronts of major financial fiefdoms may have looked terrifying and uncontrolled on camera, but it was far from mindless. These targets were not chosen at random. British banks and major tax-avoiding companies were attacked because these companies are seen by large swathes of the public as being responsible for the banking crisis and for subsequent ideological decisions on the part of the current government to mortgage healthcare, welfare and education. In the rush, Spanish banking giant Santander was also vandalised - and we need to be asking ourselves just what has made our nation's children so very upset with world finance that they believe any bank is fair game.

Nobody's children are at risk from this sort of political 'violence'. Many children were, in fact, part of the protest, singing and dancing on Oxford street or carried on the shoulders of their parents to watch UKUncut's comedy gig in Soho square. There are serious problems with the way in which the press chooses to discuss 'violence' in relation to the protests, and chief amongst those problems is the way in which the violence done to private property is now considered morally equivalent to physical violence against human beings.

It's the second sort of violence that really does put people's children at risk, and it's that sort of violence that I saw dispensed without mercy by police on the bodies of Saturday's young protesters, the vast majority of whom were engaged in peaceful civil disobedience, almost a hundred of whom were hospitalised for their trouble, with broken limbs and streaming head-wounds.

"The police tried to kettle us outside Fortnum and Mason, and fearing for the safety of the crowd in case of a crush, some of us formed a line in front of the police," says Ben, 21, whose face is swollen and covered bloody cuts. "This was passive resistance. Our arms were interlocked and we were clearly no threat to the police. Without provocation, an officer punched me six times in the face, hit me three times on the head with the edge of a riot shield, kicked me ten times in the shins and three times in the groin.

"I could not move or defend myself, so I bent my head to shield myself from his blows; it was only when I saw the blood running down my tshirt that I realised how badly I'd been hurt."

'They were kicking people on the ground and dragging them away to be arrested. That was after blocking us inside the store 'for our own safety' and promising we would be allowed to leave peacefully," says one member of UKUncut who was involved in the quiet sit-in inside Fortnum and Mason. "We were handcuffed and taken to cells across London, made to strip to our underwear and given white paper jumpsuits to wear.

"I was left for eighteen hours without food and woken up repeatedly, once for DNA swabs and fingerprints. It felt like they were trying to scare me away from peaceful protest, treating me like a faceless terrorist when I'm just an ordinary citizen standing up for what I believe in."

Commentators are not wrong in calling march the 26th a loss for the Left. It is unfair, however, to blame that loss on the thousands of young people who chose to demonstrate outside the approved march route- although undoubtedly mistakes were made by organising parties in picking targets and anticipating the size and energy of attendance. The implication that the day would have been a success had everyone just played by the rules is a vastly disingenuous statement unworthy of the many respected liberal commentators who have made it.

After the event, Vince Cable released a statement to the effect that the March for the Alternative is to have no impact whatsoever on the speed and savagery of public spending cuts. The speed with which the statement was released strongly implies that it had been written before the first protestor had got on the coach. What 'ruined the day' was not young people committing acts of civil disobedience and spoiling it for everyone else. What 'ruined the day', if the day really was ruined, was the state's determination to ignore the weight of public opposition to its savage programme of spending cuts.

This is not to imply that the march was a waste of time, nor that those who marched were wrong to do so. Not everyone feels able to risk their job in order to occupy a bank. What the march and its aftermath reveal, however, is that the model of opposition and public mobilisation offered by the unions and the Labour party is totally inadequate to the task at hand, and alienating for a great deal of workers and families , as well as the many thousands of people who are already too desperate to protest quietly and obediently.

Marching from A to B to voice vague objections to government spending plans, marching behind Labour and union leaders who fail entirely to offer a coherent alternative, is no longer a sufficient response to these cuts. It is not sufficient because this government, like the previous government, is not at all worried by the prospect of hundreds of thousands of people marching from A to B. They are worried about the prospect of a truly popular people's uprising. They are worried about losing the ideological argument over the necessity of destroying the welfare state. They are worried by the prospect of a run on the banks engineered by digital people power, as just occurred in Holland, and they are worried about the prospect of a general strike. It's safe to say that the government has a lot less to worry about this week than it did last week- and activists, anarchists, unions and the Labour movement all need to be asking ourselves why.


Police confront demonstrators at a march near Picadilly Circus in London.

This government isn't scared of mass vandalism. The public, however, is - and that is precisely why fistfuls of images of young people in masks smashing up the Ritz and throwing smoke bombs have been tossed at our screens for five days now. The state requires us to be fearful so that it can acquire our consent for its spending cuts, and the public fears disorder even more than it fears mass unemployment and the decimaton of public services. So perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that the images of officers of the law assaulting unarmed young people, and the images of riot cops arresting an entirely peaceful protest group on orders which are rumoured to have come right from the top, have largely been been overlooked or dismissed.

Meanwhile, UKUncut - a group whose modus operandi is inclusive, creative, defiant people power of the type that really does scare the government - has been brutally suppressed. A hundred and thirty eight members have been detained, including a fifteen year old girl who was so frightened in jail that she was made to sign a form excusing the police from culpability, should she go on to commit suicide. There has been very little public outcry. The next wave in the battle for the hearts and minds of the British public has truly begun.

This is the follow-up to an earlier article published at the New Statesman.

  • RichardW

    I am a 40 year old union organiser working in local government who marched A to B last week. Over the last week I have been told in the press, through the union, and from friends and colleagues that we should shun the kids who were involved in violence last week. And as the week has worn on, the sick knot of unease in my stomach has grown larger and more bitter.

    Laurie, you’re absolutely right that the real crime on the weekend was the abandonment of the young people involved by the wider Labour movement.

    I don’t want to be part of that.

  • Anonymous

    tsm_sf #33, you could be writing this to thousands of people in Wisconsin, Ohio, and other parts of the US.

    I don’t think it’s coincidental that these attitudes prevail in both the US and UK. Both have significant media involvement from Rupert Murdoch.

  • Gilgongo

    “There has been very little public outcry”

    One of the reasons for this (and cf. ddddave’s points), is the perception by those employed in the private sector that those who take to the streets to complain of cuts are mostly public sector employees. Jobs for life, a final salary pension, generous overtime payments, numerous days of paid “sick leave” and general employer indulgence is now seen as coming home to roost, and naturally the right-wing press play up to that.

    So under the circumstances, only the most left-wing private sector employees are vocal about the cuts. The rest, unfortunately, remain largely silent. Note that in countries like Greece, where public and private-sector pay scales and benefits are more even, there have been riots over cuts that make what happened in London look extremely calm.

    I’m not saying that the “correct” view to have – but it is the view that is shared among the majority of the UK’s population. Maybe when the cuts begin to bite perceptibly into the lives of the private-sector middle classes might that change.

    • tsm_sf

      – Jobs for life, a final salary pension, generous overtime
      – payments, numerous days of paid “sick leave” and general
      – employer indulgence is now seen as coming home to roost, and
      – naturally the right-wing press play up to that.

      One kind of person asks “Why do you have this when I do not.”
      Another kind of person asks “Why do I not have this when you do.”

      We all used to enjoy benefits like these. There’s nothing “special” about them, they used to be the norm. They’ve been removed from private sector employment due to a mix of cupidity and apathy, and you were too lazy and comfortable to kick up much of a fuss.

      Now you’re paying the price, and hate the people who were strong enough to stand up and demand what was theirs.

  • Anonymous

    I wish just one person would bring up the Tax the Rich motif for protests on Oxford Street.

    Of course, the government doesn’t want the chants heard nor the signs and banners shown. THAT might make people think. Why AREN’T the rich paying taxes at time of austerity followed by a huge BANK bailout? What is being done about it? GE, Vodaphone, Top Shop, Barclay’s, Exxon Mobil, Fortnum & Mason – does anyone really think that they are wearing faces of respectability?

    Time to take the masks off and see who is truly, truly violent, isn’t it?

    When people are not heard and taken seriously, they tend to LASH OUT, people (esp. the young and old) of the UK are not getting the nourishment they need and deserve. It is massively heirarchical and nonresponsive to human needs. Yet the billionaire$ rack up profit$, profit$, profit$ and create war and pandemonium wherever they so choose. Our lot as poor people gets more and more demeaning. It is no wonder some would lash out to feel SOME little shred of dignity, that they are not totally disempowered.

    PRIVATE property is taken as a given, an assumption made and we are covertly told at all times in the MSM, to be accepted by all. But it isn’t accepted by all, let’s face it. People get really angry when they are SCREWED.

    TAX THE RICH – let’s stay ON POINT. The media doesn’t HAVE to be the message.

    • Wally Ballou

      Re “taxing the rich”.

      I can only put this in a US not a UK context as I am not familiar with the UK numbers.

      If you plan to raise sufficient revenue to keep the state solvent by taxing the rich, you should at least run the numbers. The IRS has a fairly comprehensive table of income and taxes paid by income level in the USA.

      Please show us on which groups, and by what percentage, you plan to implement tax increases which will generate $1 trillion to $1.3 trillion per year.

      • Ugly Canuck

        Tax all of them by instituting a broad-based (ie applied to/on ALL and EVERY transaction) value-added tax of 1%.

        Rebate the poor for what their taxes would go up.

        OR: an nice 25-cent per gallon gasoline/diesel tax….

  • ultranaut

    “Peaceful protest does not mean “obstruct the road peacefully until the police show up, then we can fight back”. It means that you obstruct the road, and when the police show up, you let them take you to jail without resisting.”

    It often doesn’t work like that. I don’t know if you’ve ever been around a bunch of masked men with clubs, tear gas, and pepper spray, but they seem to rather enjoy their jobs. When the police come they often initiate violence against non-violent people. Have you ever witnessed cops brutalizing non-violent people? Have you ever had cops attack you? I don’t advocate violence, but having witnessed the tactics of the police I really can’t blame anyone for fighting back. There can be no compromise in defense of liberty.

  • ddddave

    “I don’t advocate violence, but having witnessed the tactics of the police I really can’t blame anyone for fighting back. There can be no compromise in defense of liberty.”

    Now you sound like a Tea Partier. Not surprising really; the extremes always meet, and one point they regularly meet on is that they think they’ll achieve something by violence.

    • ultranaut

      While I do enjoy getting teabagged I can’t say I am a teabagger. More seriously, I see this point often made and find it a bit meaningless, totally irrelevant, and entirely dismissive. Should I be concerned?

  • Anonymous

    So, here’s the thing.

    In theory, I support the general aims of UKUncut. Peaceful occupations of banks and shops harm no-one, do get coverage and draw attention to the gaping holes in our current tax system.

    But.

    Their decision to occupy on the day of the march was ill-thought and naive. Every protest, since the dawn of time, has attracted those such as the ‘Black Bloc’.

    Marching with the masses would never have been enough for them, but any break-off groups would’ve been easily recognised and condemned (rightly so). But they wouldn’t really have had any real sense of direction.

    What UKUncut unknowingly did was to give them a target; a group to tag along with and cause as much damage as they could.
    (I disagree intensely with the occupation of Fortnum & Mason’s, but that is a post for another day.)

    What would have been wiser, more beneficial to all, would be UKUncut marching with the very people who they are said to be protesting for – the 500K (or whatever it was) who could have been persuaded to your cause.

    Now, all people see are groups who saw the march as beneath them, groups who were more interested in generating their own publicity and furthering their own agendas – and where’s the solidarity in that?

    I don’t condone violence, I don’t condone any alleged police violence and – after this new occupation of the BBC – I can no longer support the actions of UKUncut.

  • Endoftheline

    I really like your writing, and generally your take on subjects but I think it’s a real shame you’re not distinguishing between the black bloc tactics and those of peaceful occupation. The truth is that most people don’t like the sight of a military style group attacking things. It makes us nervous. It’s not just the right that will attack these actions – it’s every middle class leftie (like myself!) who really really doesn’t like the idea of an army taking over the streets – legitimate or otherwise. There’s a funny piece here http://findesomething.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/verbs-and-other-confusing-concepts/ that discusses the difference in the tactics, but at the end of the day, one has no chance whatsoever of public support and the other could – but not if they’re going to be lumped in together as ‘direct action.’

  • mick travis

    Lets see – UK Uncut wants to get companies to pay more tax to the Tory government on the theory they’ll do something better with it than bomb Libya or kick people out of their homes for the Olympics – what a horrible group of wooly reactionaries.

  • Anonymous

    Were the Jacobins wrong in 1789? Were the Bolsheviks wrong in 1917?

    I would actually say yes to both. The Jacobins when they started cutting off people’s heads indiscriminately, and the Bolsheviks when they overthrew the original 1917 Revolution.

    • Wally Ballou

      What is the “discriminating” style of decapitation?

  • DSMVWL THS

    “This government isn’t scared of mass vandalism. The public, however, is – and that is precisely why fistfuls of images of young people in masks smashing up the Ritz and throwing smoke bombs have been tossed at our screens for five days now.”

    This is rather incoherent, coming as it does after a long screed defending the young people in masks smashing things up and throwing smoke bombs.

    If you favor political violence, then don’t get pissy when the media show people what you did. Don’t you _want_ people to see it? If not, why did you do it?

    If you don’t favor political violence, then why get upset at condemnations of it?

    I’ve been part of a number of mass demonstrations, and I find there is often a small contingent, usually younger, who are high on adrenaline and possessed with an overwhelming desire to Stick It To The Man By Any Means Necessary.

    Their radicalism is useless for actually persuading the broad public (or politicians) of anything — but it’s good at discrediting the rest of the demonstrators.

    And then, if the demonstration is in fact discredited by the fringe and their actions, they can get mad all over again at how The Media and The Government and The Right and The Mainstream Left and everyone else in The Big Bad Establishment have betrayed them! It’s a conspiracy, man! Fight the power!

    Useless.

  • ddddave

    “Now you’re paying the price, and hate the people who were strong enough to stand up and demand what was theirs.”

    No. And that’s the point. Personally, I think the cause is just, the circumstances dire, and the anger warranted. BUT, the strategy is delusional and the tactics self-defeating. If you make a riot, you get treated as a riot. Do something different. The total lack of constructive imagination on display from the groups that regard themselves as vanguards of righteousness is pathetic to behold, and at this stage pretty much guarantees that they cannot achieve even a tenth of what they want.

  • Hex

    Ten years ago, when I was 21, I went to the Mayday anti-capitalist protest. Reading Laurie’s live coverage of these events was like being back there again.

    The ingredients were the same: a protest for a worthy cause (although ours was inarguably much fluffier and far more poorly-defined); central London; a small breakaway “black bloc” group determined to cause havoc; the press; the police.

    What was largely a peaceful and good-natured event was sidetracked in the eyes of the watching press by the “black bloc” smashing windows and starting fires. The majority of the people there managed to keep in good spirits even when the police started blocking the streets and eventually kettling us – and it was very hard kettling. Mounted police rode at us with batons swinging at several points to scare everyone down the street to the kettling points.

    The group of people that I ended up being kettled with were force-marched up a narrow street over the course of several hours with no explanation of what was happening. It was frightening, and I’m just glad that wasn’t cold. There were people of all ages held there with me. Eventually we were searched and released one by one. The riot gear-clad officer who searched me asked me with a hard face why I was wearing kneepads. I said “Why are you?” He couldn’t offer a comeback.

    In the news coverage that followed the next day, the event was uniformly painted as a load of anarchists running riot smashing things in central London. No comment was made on how the police had treated us; I only saw one photograph of a kettle (linked above) and it was offered without comment.

    Reading Solomon Metzger and Richard Hughes’ comments, above, there seems to be a form of amnesia that descends on people after each of these events, most of which have in common the “absolutely shameful stuff that the police did [which never] made it into the papers.” The difference is that now we have the most powerful set of communications tools ever devised on our side to shine a light on what really happens at times like these. Unlike my tiny little video clips recorded on a huge old digital camera of the time, then painstakingly uploaded (back then) onto a webserver which could barely afford the bandwidth to host them, now we can now record everything and broadcast it live, as it happens, for free.

    It’s incumbent upon us now to use these tools that we’ve been given, and to make sure that the inaccurate, selective and distorted pictures pushed at us by the mass media, and the amnesia of the truth that follows, are relegated to being things of the past.

  • ultranaut

    “Their radicalism is useless for actually persuading the broad public (or politicians) of anything — but it’s good at discrediting the rest of the demonstrators.”

    Perhaps their radicalism isn’t intended to persuade the broad public.

    I’ve gone through this same process of disillusionment. You show up to save the world and some assholes dressed in robocop costumes are there to fight you. When you get home and watch it on TV they say you showed up to start the riot.
    After that you start seeing the capitalist system quite differently.

  • ultranaut
  • adamoxford

    As another reporter who followed events on Saturday, with absolutely no ties to UK Uncut or a major media outlet, I can vouch for most of the facts in Pennie’s essay. I wasn’t in Trafalgar Square at night, which obviously got nastier, but the ‘rioting mob’ never felt threatening to me or any of the shoppers I spoke to. The flashpoints I witnessed (including the Fortnum’s occupation) all seemed to follow the same pattern – protesters and police maintaining a healthy distance from each other, with one or two idiots on either side taking it a bit too far before being held back by their friends.

    Not that either side could get close to each other for the mobs of journalists and camera people between them.

    Funny thing is, I watched back footage in which I’m literally inches out of shot later on TV and accidentally caught myself thinking ‘Glad I wasn’t there.’ This demo was nothing like the animal herd it was made out to be by journalists interested only in the drama of the story.

    In fairness to the police – and again I stress I wasn’t in Trafalgar Square later that night and I think their duplicity towards the group inside Fortnum’s was appalling – they weren’t exactly heavy handed for most of the day either.

  • ddddave

    It’s really very simple – if you throw a riot, the riot police will arrive. Nobody was ever in any doubt that this demonstration would turn violent. These ‘Black bloc’ and others clearly planned for it, went equipped to do damage, and sucked in any ‘innocent’ [read: extremely stupid and naive] protesters who didn’t clear off out of their vicinity sharpish. If you don’t like what happens when a riot starts, don’t run around central London looking like a riot. Find other means of protest that, who knows, might actually be effective – because this certainly isn’t.

    The preposterous idea of UKuncut that they could piggy-back an ‘occupation’ on top of this thoroughly predictable and predicted little riot merely demonstrates their own particular brand of privileged stupidity. If the 100-some UKuncut folks had gone to 100-some different stores and laid down in the doorways, for example, they could have all got themselves arrested in a way that was much more inconvenient for the stores concerned – which is the point, is it not? – and with much less likelihood of anyone getting a kicking.

    Perhaps it is the case that they want to commit acts of civil disobedience without getting arrested? In which case they really are just spoiled children, who understand nothing of the long traditions of this practice, from Gandhi to Greenham Common and Greenpeace.

    And, once again from the top and whether you like it or not, the protests were against the policy of a government with a working majority in the House of Commons, a policy which has the support, according to a poll published in the left’s own respectable newspaper, the Guardian, of a firm majority of the public:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/25/voters-cuts-coalition-poll

    “Only 35% think the plans go too far – a 10-point drop since ICM asked the question in November. Meanwhile 28% think the government has found the right balance and 29% say the cuts are not severe enough. That amounts to 57% support for current cuts or more.”

    According to the same poll 53% of the electorate currently intends to vote for one of the Coalition parties. Therefore, as a matter of simple fact, the ‘protesters’ are not ‘the people’, they do not represent a majority. They may make assertions of moral superiority, but at the moment people are unconvinced. The next riot is unlikely to make them more convinced.

    • teapot

      Go have a cry, davey

  • ddddave

    The trouble is, ultranaut, that once you start thinking like that, you’re heading down the same road that the Nihilists, the Anarchists and the Bolsheviks went down over 100 years ago, and the Rote Armee Fraktion and the Red Brigades went down 40 years ago, which is that only violence works. And up against the resources of the C21 state, that’s a recipe for quite thoroughly screwing yourself. If I thought for a moment that it was actually possible to strangle the last capitalist in the bowels of the last politician, I’d be with you. But it just isn’t. People who think that it is are a tiny, isolated minority, and will be as long as they keep bringing up those same tired images. The history of the antiglobalisation movement, which might once have had some potential to effect real change, is yet another recent example. By focusing on showdowns with the Man, they get lots of people to go ‘Ooh, isn’t that shocking,’ for 2 minutes, and then nothing else happens.

  • spenceball

    The words used by the author blie her bias. ” A generation has been radicalised by the betrayal of their modest request for a fair future, and by repeated experiences of police brutality against those who chose to resist.” that’s biased writing if I’ve ever seen it.

    Also, the proof of police brutality is 2 pictures of the same injured man, with no other follow ups or examples. Where is the proof that authors of similar articles “have been savagely attacked. We have been called thugs, liars and terrorists for having the temerity to put on record the police brutality that some of us observed and experienced in Trafalgar square. We have faced down attempts to bully and threaten us into retracting our testimonies.”?

    What a JOKE. Also, is being called names a savage attack now? Maybe that’s semantic, but this is YELLOW JOURNALISM.

    I’m not saying it’s a lie… but I am saying the writing and lack of evidence presented makes me question if the lense through which the author was looking has colored the truth of the events significantly.

  • magpiekilljoy

    Ah, here’s the boingboing I know and love. I’m happy to see this inclusive analysis that questions and damns the official story without falling into propagandism.

  • Antinous / Moderator

    That actually seems to make a lot of sense at first. But the State and the Police who serve it are not our boyfriend or girlfriend. The state doesn’t love us or cherish us us or any of the other things a family member or someone in a relationship is supposed to do. I don’t want that kind of relationship with my regime.

    I can break up with a boyfriend. And I don’t pay his salary. The state has a much higher level of care and responsibility to its citizens than an individual does.

    Blaming the victim is reprehensible.

  • The Other Tom Elliott

    I’m all for fair and unbiased reporting (I don’t think this article counts as either). But aren’t vandalism and occupation of private buildings still crimes? If you genuinely believe that that kind of action is your only option to get your message across, you can’t cry foul when the police reaction is severe.

    The descriptions of heavy handedness on the part of the police is shocking. But if the accounts are 100% accurate, have official complaints been made?

    • Anonymous

      Sorry mate get real , look at Ian Tomlinson

    • Anonymous

      Aaaand what would official complaints do, exactly?
      Are you expecting some sort of conflict within the police forces themselves? Some uncorrupted department emerging to bring justice?
      Pull the other one, mate.
      And have you ever, ever seen unbiased, fair reporting? ever?
      And of course, “its still a crime” is kind of general.
      In short, I refute you sir.

      -Blaze

    • fsck

      This is a blog, not “every UK media outlet”. Love it or hate it you come here because it’s lefty (in the main). Don’t piss your pants when it holds to its implied position.

      U TROLLIN?

      • The Other Tom Elliott

        I’m expressing a viewpoint, if I was trolling I would have used foul language, caps and single-letter abbreviations. But don’t worry, I’m not judging.

        I don’t come here because of political leanings, I come here for entertaining articles and links. There is also a difference between being left-wing and sensationalist.

        But let’s agree to disagree.

    • Anonymous

      what’s legal and illegal determines moral and immoral?

      have governments ‘worked’ for the majority of the world? how is the distribution of wealth and resources on an earth with the capacity to provide the necessities for all? is it not worthy of heavy and objective analysis whether something is seriously flawed in our method and/or concept of governance?

      i don’t know what basis your judging ‘shocking’ on but i certainly can’t be in relation to other masses of civil disobedience.

      make an official report huh?
      sure, after i’m done calling my congressman so i no longer have to pay %50 in taxes to the military and before i write the president a letter and get this budget cut thing under control. anything else you want me to change through the system with my letter?

    • Nadreck

      I don’t know about the exact situation in London but here in Ontario there’s no point in filing an official complaint because the police here are above the law and don’t have to obey the laws that they enforce. The Special Investigations Unit provincial organisation is a pathetic joke and most departments here don’t even bother to return their mail or answer their phone calls. There are no consequences for ignoring them entirely. This was amply demonstrated in case where a squad car, no on official business, sailed through a red light, t-boned a civilian car in the intersection demolishing both cars and killing the non-driving officer in the car. No investigation and no problems for the cop-killing officer driving.

  • Solomon Hughes

    Richard above mentions protests in the 1980′s. Those interested in how the post-Demo blame game works might want to read this story based on Freedom of Information documents about the 1988 “Battle for Westminster Bridge” – A National Union of Students protest against the introduction of student loans ended with Police battling 30,000 students on Westminster Bridge. After the protest, papers reveal a weird Joint Tory-Libdem scheme to blame the agistatorts (in the case the SWP, with a walk on rol for “Black Anarchists” and “Green Peace” ) for “disorder” on the demo : Home Office Minister wanted UCL Professor and Libdem Lord Conrad Russell (Son of Bertrand Russell) and his students to make a “dossier” blaming left agitators. The scheme collapsed when the students blamed the police instead for their cavalry charge.

    Full story here :-

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/102953

  • Wally Ballou

    Laurie, I think you’re trying to have it both ways.

    I have a hard time thinking “it’s a shame that the media focused on the vandals and ignored the peaceful protestors” while at the same time thinking “those who were vandalized had it coming”, but perhaps you can do so easily.

    Was there too much “mass vandalism” and destruction of “defenceless shopfronts” (nice turn of phrase BTW) or was there not enough?

  • Rob Thornton

    I am an American but I wonder about all these anti-protester trolls. Were they actually present at the protests? I think this article is anchored by the author’s direct experience of peaceful protest disrupted by violent police action. If you believe that the author did indeed see such events occur, the rest of the article must be believed.

    On the other hand, the anti-protester types seem unwilling to acknowledge that the protesters might have a point, the police might be beating the hell out of them for no good reason, and that most of the media might be taking the side of the police because it is in their long-term best interest. All of this seems eminently plausible to me, though again I am removed from the action.

    So, at the moment, I am taking this author very seriously and dismissing the anti-protester posters as a bunch of sheep.

    • prentiz

      Rob,

      I’m hopefully not a troll, but I do disagree with the protest. Like a lot of people I see the difficulties that the cuts are causing – but I believe that the UK has to reduce both the amount it is borrowing and its level of debt if we are going to avoid very serious economic problems.

      It is simply not the case that all the media have taken the “side” of the police – the usual suspects have, but the rest have simply not.

      Of course I accept that people are entitled to hold differing views to me – but when they try to violence to make their points without taking democratic routes, they lose that argument.

      It is pretty clear that many of the people involved in this campaign have been waiting for an opportunity to pursue the same old class war they’ve been trying to fight for years…

    • asuffield

      If you believe that the author did indeed see such events occur, the rest of the article must be believed.

      This statement just says “any person who witnessed an event must always be speaking the truth about it”. This is unlogic. It’s stupid and wrong.

      • Rob Thornton

        Well, I am presuming that the author is truthful. Also, I think that she is much more credible than the other media POVs, which tend to emphasize unrest for various reasons.

        Firstly, unrest is more dramatic. Second, many journalists are lazy and will tend to follow any authoritative-sounding source over any contending voices. Thirdly, a journalist who works with the police knows that if you cross them it will be a lot harder to get any juicy leads in the future. Finally, the UK media doesn’t seem to be really encouraging alternate viewpoints on this matter.

        In contrast, the author was on the ground with the protesters. She was there to see how peaceful the protests really were. I think that someone who is willing to buck the UK media trend is heavily invested in her journalistic credibility. Why would she lie to us?

        If she was going to lie, she would personally benefit by backing the police over the protesters (see above)! Instead, she backed the protesters even though it might damage her career.

        So I believe her for good reasons.

        • asuffield

          Why would she lie to us?

          Ignorance, lack of comprehension, intellectual laziness, perceptual bias, personal obsession, the list goes on forever…

          Your claim has mutated into “people whose careers are on the line will always make accurate statements”. That’s equally wrong, and obviously so.

          • Rob Thornton

            You are obviously not reading what I write. I am saying that it would be easier for her to go with the flow and say something like “violent protesters disrupt peaceful march.” Note that this is still true but frames things differently by emphasizing the violence over the peaceful marchers.

            You can generate as many motives as you like for lying, I am pointing out that a typical journalist in this situation would be strongly influenced to skew their reportage towards violence. The fact that she is not impresses me. Also, I do not find her reporting to be particularly propagandistic–it does not press emotional hotbuttons and evoke the spectre of the “pigs.” She simply states her impressions with a minimum amount of baggage.

            Right now sir, you are living in the land of fiction. As I have pointed out, you are literally making up all sorts of reasons why some *might* lie. Without evidence, none of your alleged motives are credible. Now I do not know her motives, but I am familiar with journalism to some extent and all my posts are framed within that context. I cannot prove that she is telling the truth, but I will say that I find her work very credible sounding.

  • ddddave

    Of course the protesters have a ‘point’, if the point is that riots are violent. If they had chained themselves together and laid down in the road singing ‘We Shall Overcome’, the police would have had a real job to turn that into running battles – but they didn’t.

    Acting out protest with the potential for violence is just playing the game that the police want to play – and once the aggro has started it all becomes ‘he said, she said’ about who’s really to blame, and what it was supposed to be FOR is lost in the mist.

    Ask yourself why Greenpeace protests don’t end with pitched battles in the street, ask yourself about how they could find a mode of protest that wasn’t so easy to turn into a riot. And ask yourself why these protesters don’t bother, and why so many people are enjoying being outraged about events.

    When your chosen mode of political action is not just unproductive, but actively counter-productive, whose side are you really on?

  • Anonymous

    @ The Other Tom Elliot

    Occupation of shops etc are not in themselves illegal. Trespass is a civil matter, and it is up to the shops themselves to entertain legal action. The protesters were arrested under Aggravated Trespass, a fairly recent law (1994) that gives the police powers to arrest individual that impede others from pursuing their lawful activity. It was initially introduced to stop anti-hunting activists from disrupting blood sports enthusiasts (fox hunting etc), but the vague wording has allowed the police to extend to dealing with peaceful sit-ins and the like.

    Vandalism is a criminal matter but I doubt that it should be handled with baton and shield. Crime against property should not be retaliated with violence against person unless that person is a direct threat to the officer. I was at the protests and saw many passive protesters get batoned and kicked. Myself and a friend had to drag a woman away from the police lines as one of them layed into her. Five minutes later she wrapped herself round a lamppost, which the police dealt with by smashing into her arm with a shield. Unacceptable behaviour.

  • Saltley Gates

    UKUNCUT will become a rallying point for the anti cuts anti Neo Liberal movement.A campaign to drop all the charges and release the UNCUT 139 should be started again using civil disobedience.The Labour Party and Trade Union leaders with a few exceptions are beyond salvation. We need to build a new democratic left outside of Labour and yes we need new Trade Unions that will fight.

  • Anonymous

    @ddddave “If they had chained themselves together and laid down in the road singing ‘We Shall Overcome’, the police would have had a real job to turn that into running battles – but they didn’t.”

    People did that at world bank (iirc) protests last year and the police waited until the press had gone home before battoning everyone in sight. It’s not as simple as you make out.

  • fsck

    Let us not forget that the Unbiased British Media is only *permitted* to exist by the grace of Government and Shareholders, and have learned well that ‘sanction’ has two meanings.

    In conflicts “over there” foreign media (physically and typically) has proved the only grail for those thirsting for truth. Perhaps we are naive to belive that such things are not valid also, here?

  • planchette

    I love that formulaic decimal sliding that goes hand in hand with reporting crowds at demonstrations, whereby 500 becomes 50, or 100,000 becomes a couple thousand.

  • BethNOLA

    “…you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence” – using this quote from MLK to defend the Black Bloc tactics is a misapplication of King’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail. The direct, non-violent actions King led did not include attacks on property. When masked protesters break windows and engage in physical confrontations with police, on the peripheries of a group of peaceful marchers, they share accountability for the violence that spills into that crowd. The police are responsible for their own over-reactions, but it’s disengenuous in the extreme to pretend that there’s no causal relationship between the Black Bloc tactics and the police attacks on the peaceful marchers. If you want to claim King’s mantle of non-violence, you must actually practice non-violence. It’s an intellectual dodge to claim that attacking property is not an act of violence.

    • asuffield

      If you want to claim King’s mantle of non-violence, you must actually practice non-violence. It’s an intellectual dodge to claim that attacking property is not an act of violence.

      Very much agreed. If you stand around throwing sticks and rocks at the police while declaring that you’re “peacefully protesting” then you’re both a vandal and a liar and should be treated as such.

      Peaceful protest does not mean “obstruct the road peacefully until the police show up, then we can fight back”. It means that you obstruct the road, and when the police show up, you let them take you to jail without resisting. And then the people behind you take your place, and they do the same thing, and when the jails are full then the government is forced to respond on your terms – either the government backs down or it takes actions which remove the public support that it relied on.

      If you’re not willing to go to jail for the cause that you’re protesting about, then you don’t really believe it’s that important. If you just want to scream and throw things then you’re a mindless vandal.

  • star35

    It’s an interesting viewpoint and along with the Trafalgar Square report is a reasonably accurate report of the events (although I’m sorry, but “Nine months ago, many of [the young people] were political interns, members of the Labour party or volunteers for the Liberal Democrats” is a completely and utter bollocks). However, where you attempt political analysis I have to say that I believe you display considerable naivety.

    Wall-to-wall images of banks being smashed are not being used to frighten the public, it’s being used to justify new laws and even more oppressive policing of demonstrations. Many, many people who despair at marching from A to B (knowing that it never changes anything) look at the images of clearly well organised and committed black blockers and take heart and encouragement. We start to feel that just maybe we have power too. I am far from alone in seeing the day as a success, a progression from the student demonstrations and part of building a combative and dynamic extra-parliamentary opposition movement.

    On a sidenote, it’s a grevious error to organise demonstrations with an eye on the mainstream media. They will print what they want, not what you want. The Black Bloc is not out to capture headlines, it is direct action. For me, what is interesting about UKUncut is not whether they are violent or not, but that they act directly against their targets, not indirectly through the media.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t nice to block the doorway
    It isn’t nice to go to jail.
    There are nicer ways to do it
    But the nice ways always fail.
    It isn’t nice, it isn’t nice,
    You told us once, you told us twice,
    But if that’s freedom’s price,
    We don’t mind.

    – Malvina Reynolds and Barbara Dane, “It Isn’t Nice,” 1964

  • prentiz

    You would think that a journalist, of all people, would recognise a decent story. The sad fact of life is that, generally speaking, a riot is a much more interesting story than a peaceful march. Simple test, imagine telling a friend in conversation either “I saw a really big march today” or “I saw a small riot” – which do you think would cause the most interest? Riots tend to be more newsworthy, with better visual images than peaceful marches – even very big ones.

    As such, it is a nonsense to complain about other journalists covering what to them was a more interesting story. Whilst it no doubt suited the political agenda of the Daily Mail to put the focus there, every other respectable newspaper did the same- and it is simply a nonsense to infer that the Guardian, or the Indie did so for inappropriate reasons.

    Now, in the interests of full disclosure, I disagree with the points being made in the article, but being a likeable sort, will forebear from smashing anyone else is stuff to underline that. That doesn’t detract from the fact that, if this had been a Countryside Alliance march (which was much bigger in opposition to a ban on fox hunting btw), that resulted in violence from a tiny minority, that is where the story would have focused. There really should be no surprise in that to anyone.

  • ryhntyntyn

    “I can break up with a boyfriend. And I don’t pay his salary. The State has a much higher level of care and responsibility to its citizens than an individual does.

    I emigrated from my home country to Europe 10 years past. Most of the citizens of westernized industrialized nations could also do the same. In the west, one can “break up” with a State with which they are not satisfied. It’s not easy, but then neither is breaking up with a partner. This goes especially for Schengen countries and the British Commonwealth.

    But, the State is not your significant other. It doesn’t love you. It’s not a person. It’s a system, it can help and or harm. Some States have a duty of care, but Great Britain’s lauded welfare State abandoned “Cradle to the Grave” a long time ago.

    And all States reserve for themselves the legitimate use of force for maintaining order. That is the crucial difference. No romantic partner has a legitimate right to use force to maintain order or the relationship.

    You pay the State, so do a lot of other people, and in these States the majority rules.

    “Blaming the victim is reprehensible.”

    It’s a good thing no one is blaming the victim then isn’t? And it is it reprehensible to hold people responsible for what the do, who they hang out with and where they go? That would depend on whether one buys the idea that a victim’s level of responsibility for themselves decreases a criminal’s level of responsibility for breaking the law. (I don’t personally see it that way. One can get mugged after taking a shortcut through a dodgy neighbourhood and the criminal is still 100% guilty, while it remains true that the victim should have chosen a safer way home. One doesn’t cancel the other out, this isn’t an insurance transaction or a maths formula). It is often insensitive to point that out to the victim, but that doesn’t affect whether it’s true or not.

    When marching against the State, with or next to those who do violence, and the State guards itself with people prepared to do violence, be prepared for violence.

    That’s not blaming the victim. And it doesn’t mean “They had it coming” because the state shouldn’t be using force on it’s peacefully protesting citizens anyway. Police brutality should be strongly prosecuted, so should mob violence.

    If it looks like rain, do take an umbrella.**

    ** and for this type of rain, don’t forget a bandana, a bottle of water, a tube of toothpaste, latex gloves and some bandages for assisting your fellow human beings.

  • well, if you must

    I would consider myself quite far removed from affiliation or idealism that would lead me to truly understand anarchism in the way it seems to be practised, considering what i do know of anarchisms conflicts with “violent”.. spray painting of the slogan “pay your taxes”.

  • Wally Ballou

    Do you think the Canadian income tax system is fairer, or less fair, than that of the USA?

  • Anonymous

    It appears to me that the question is whether violent social resistance can be justified. It is very easy to dismiss the events that took place in London last week – what did they think would happen? there is always an anarchist fringe element that find the opportunity to express themselves in large scale protests… bla bla.

    Is violence wrong in itself? Or is the violence wrong because it lacks enough force to change things?

    Historically, I would say that conservatives answer yes to the first question while conveniently controlling the coercive instruments of the state.

    Some of the posters on this blog seem to hold firm to the idea that violence is wrong because it fails to deliver on emancipatory intentions.
    In this case, I think they are correct – the violence that appears on TV/paper/internet undermines the intent of the protesters.

    But it is important to note that well-organised social resistance can be justified without assuming a consequentialist position.
    Just because one is likely to fail does not mean that one should not act.
    Currently, the ruling class is destroying the fabric that provides the foundations for a decent life. There is a systematic denial of any alternatives to the logic of the market – a logic that is quickly changed at the convenience of those in charge.
    There will come a time when some people get organised and do so at the point of gun. Were the Jacobins wrong in 1789? Were the Bolsheviks wrong in 1917?

  • sspesh

    what doesn’t seem to be being challenged is, whatever you think of the actions of a range of protesters involved in different forms of direct action on the day and whatever police brutality there was or wasn’t, the actions of those few hundred people do NOT discredit the marching from A to B of something like 500,000 people. so if there was merit in 500,000 people marching from A to B, and without doubt for some this will be the only ‘legitimate’ form of protest, it makes no sense to collude or agree with the idea that a couple of hundred people doing something else could ‘ruin’ the day or ‘dis-credit’ the purpose of those marchers. we need to take care that in having these other legitimate discussions about what is ‘legitimate’ protest and the bounds of police action that we remain clear. all these other complex discussions do not need to be resolved before the voices of 500,000 marchers are considered creditable. 500,000 people marched against cuts! another couple of hundred did something else. if you think the 500,000 did something worthwhile speak up for them. whatever 200 people did and whatever you think of that, 500,000 people marched from A to B

  • Wallenstein

    I came to post the point ddddave makes.

    I’m not and never have been a Tory voter, and deplore some of the cuts, but the Saturday marchers did not march in my name nor on behalf of most people in the UK.

    And I can’t stand the patronising assumption Penny makes that the only reason people object to UKUncuts protests is because we’re scared and cowed by government propaganda. We’re not all sheep and some of us think that the last Government didn’t do a great job with the nation’s finances.

    I know Penny gets a lot of unfairly ad hominem criticism that she’s too young to comment, but she herself admits that most of the UK Uncut activists are under 30. While youth does not preclude having an informed political opinion, those who’ve been round the block a few more times are aware that life is not as cut-and-dried as these idealists want to believe.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Laurie,

    Great article – really lays out the points clearly.

    I’m of the view that our strength is in our diversity. As a mum of school age children, too young to go to London alone, there is no way I would have done something remotely arrestable on Saturday, it’s not a responsible thing to do. But as a public sector worker concerned about the impact of cuts on the vulnerable, I did want the children to be able to take part. So going on the march was a great thing to do with them and they got a lot out of it.

    If I was freer, I’d have gone on the UKUncut protests which I think are great. I would never mask-up at a demonstration but I do understand why Blackbloc and I do support their actions as I don’t consider property damage to be violent & I think the banks are legitimate targets.

    So I saw Saturday as a great coming together of different groups with the same aim. To me it was a success whatever the rather predictable media response was (Remember the poll tax “riots”? The Mayday protests? Globalisation protests? There will always be “good” & “bad” protesters in the press). What is a failure is the equally predictable sight of the left falling on itself. The right are always rather good at divide and rule. We shouldn’t let them get away with it.

    And thanks to you for getting the truth out there and facing the backlash you did. History will be kinder to you!

  • millrick

    “There are serious problems with the way in which the press chooses to discuss ‘violence’ in relation to the protests, and chief amongst those problems is the way in which the violence done to private property is now considered morally equivalent to physical violence against human beings.”

    two thoughts…

    first; when we start to believe corporations are persons, it’s a short step to believing corporations have the same rights as people.

    second; the press doesn’t do journalism anymore. they are corporations who sell consumers to advertisers. vandalism results in more tantalizing images than peaceful protests, so we see more images of blood and destruction*. there’s and old axiom from TV journalism; “if it bleeds, it leads.” public broadcasters play the same game in order to justify their existence to their funders.

    *there are more images of bloodied protesters on this blog post then there are of peaceful protestors as well.

  • BethNOLA

    The best thinking in this article, which clearly exposes the ineffectiveness of liberal politicians and labor leaders, undercuts its attempts to justify the “black bloc” tactics. The writer dismisses peaceful protest, “marching from A to B” as ineffective. She later realizes that she’s calling the hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters a bunch of saps and tries to mitigate that, but too late. She begins by trying to make the argument that the “black bloc” tactic is inevitable, justifiable, and targeted, but demonstrates in her own narrative that the window bashing is what gives the cops the cover they want to kettle and beat on the crow. How does the black bloc tactics do anything more than the peaceful marching from A to B in pushing the anti-austerity agenda? The images of the masked youth tossing cans and bricks pervade the mainstream press and create exactly the fear the ruling class need in order to keep a people’s popular uprising from happening and derailing the government’s placing the burden of austerity on working people. The defense of anti-property violence keeps circling back on itself.

    • Saltley Gates

      I am aware that there are many who wince at a distinction between persons and property- who hold both sacrosanct. My views are not so rigid. A life is sacred. Property is intended to serve life,
      and no matter who much we surround it
      with rights and respect, it has no personal being. It is part of
      the earth man walks on; it is not man.

      Martin Luther King Jnr 1967

  • ryhntyntyn

    A lot of this argument is appallingly naive. Living by the sword means dying by it. If you give the police any excuse to use force, then they will. If you don’t give them an excuse to use force, then they might. The trick, and Gandhi was a master at this as was MLK, is to never give them an excuse to use force, ever, and that no matter whether the police get brutal or not, always have the event recorded. Always. In fact Gandhi and MLK both welcomed violence against their movements so long as that violence was recorded and later reported, because it strengthened their movements and won them the sympathy they needed to win politically.

    In planning any kind of action with violence against people or property, you will lose. Because if you bite the hand of the state, and violate their monopoly on violence, then you have to be willing to escalate farther than they will and that is so obviously not the case here that it’s laughable.

    If you are going to go non-violent, which is the only way to win, unless you are willing to escalate violence all the way up the ladder, then it has to be 100% commitment to non-violent protest, especially in the face of getting the living honking shit beaten out of you by the cops. That means no retaliation. Ever. Of any kind. And always have it recorded. Always. No exceptions. No matter how brutal. No non-violent protest can succeed if it doesn’t adhere to these two rules.

    • Antinous / Moderator

      If you give the police any excuse to use force, then they will. If you don’t give them an excuse to use force, then they might.

      Sounds like the Abusive Boyfriend Doctrine to me.

      • ryhntyntyn

        That actually seems to make a lot of sense at first. But the State and the Police who serve it are not our boyfriend or girlfriend. The state doesn’t love us or cherish us us or any of the other things a family member or someone in a relationship is supposed to do. I don’t want that kind of relationship with my regime.

        In fact the state could never be viewed as a boyfriend in that sense because they and the police who serve the state have the only legitimate monopoly on violence. They use that in either in defense against outside enemies or threats to order within the state.

        No Boyfriend or Girlfriend or Husband or Wife has that legitimate monopoly on violence in a relationship.

        Maybe it points out something rather glaring. Perhaps the relationship between a Modern state which inflicts violence on its citizens and those citizens is in fact, abusive, and needs to be reexamined. There might be no answer as the state would say that large mobs form a danger to the overwhelming majority and need to be watched and if they get out of hand controlled. And since these protests do not represent a majority, and did get violent, then that would be a solid counter-argument.

        Sadly, none of this changes the tactical reality. If one is protesting and one wants to win, unless one is willing to escalate all the way to armed insurrection, or a general strike that shuts down the entire country, or something equally grandiose, then non-violence is the only option, and non-violence can only work with total commitment and recording equipment. The abuses of the police have to be endured without any reprisal, and recorded. We know this.

        • DSMVWL THS

          Yes. This is how the U.S. civil rights movement “won” its protests. The marchers in Alabama could have smashed windows, overturned cars, thrown stones, or started fires when the police hit them with water cannons and dogs. They didn’t. And by not fighting back, they ultimately triumphed.

          By letting the blood be on the hands of the state, you gain and keep the moral high ground. That’s not just a feelgood victory — it’s a priceless strategic advantage to your cause.

    • Anonymous

      All positions on this are naive, except saying that any protests don’t matter because the state has been bought. That one is overly cynical instead.

  • Anonymous

    You deplore the demonstrations taking place… But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes.

    …you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn’t this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn’t this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn’t this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God’s will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber.

    excerpted from Dr. Martin Luther King, Letter From A Birmingham Jail

  • Anonymous

    Don’t be against something, be for something.

    Maybe it would be more fun (and faster) to promote good alternatives to working for, or doing business with, these giant corporations.

    Don’t track me, bro!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Just a clarification, @PennyRed,

    “Ben, 21″ was not injured during the marches. “Ben, 21″ was injured (exactly as he described) in incidents entirely _separate_ and _unrelated_ to the marches themselves, and closely related to the UKUnCut activites (which I support).

    UKUnCut and the TUC are trying to distance themselves from the violence (however merited) – and you lump them all together again!

    - John O’Connell, @jdpoc on Twitter.

  • Richard Metzger

    @Laurie Penny

    Loved the essay. As a youthful veteran of several UK demos in the early 80s (like Stop the City) and as a squatter living in Brixton then, I saw some absolutely shameful stuff that the police did with my own eyes and none of it, I mean none of it, ever made it into the papers.

    “A generation has been radicalised by the betrayal of their modest request for a fair future” –nice turn of phrase, it sums up the present situation nicely.

    The “care trolls” can whine all they want about some windows getting smashed and violence, but the fact remains that it is these radical young people who the politicians of Britain are going to have to deal with for the next several decades. And they are pissed off, for reasons that seem quite justified from where I’m sitting…

    Looking at the situation as a middle-aged man–especially taking into account the Business Secretary’s statement– I fall firmly into the camp who wishes Oxford Street had been trashed from one end to the other.

    Eventually the government will pay attention. They have to, as they are simply… outnumbered.

    @anon #27

    Right on with the Malvina Reynolds/Barbara Dane quote. Perfect thing to drop into this comment thread. There’s no rebuttal to a Malvina Reynolds’ lyric. It’s like arguing with your grandmother, a bad idea even to attempt it.

  • SonOfSamSeaborn

    I can’t help but think that things would be less likely to turn this way if riot police weren’t deployed at demonstrations and protests. Riots are very different from demonstrations and protests. Autodeployment of riot police is pretty much an incentive to riot and inappropriately empowering for the police.

    • The Other Tom Elliott

      Interesting point. Although I get the feeling that any inquiry into this phenomenon would simply result in the police being renamed “Large Crowd Response Units” or something equally fuzzy.

      • bmcraec

        It’s really true. When I was at University, a large block of student housing, in a pedestrian area, decided ad-hoc, to throw a block party. Not a rave, or a riot, a block party. The city’s finest showed up, you guessed it, in their brand new and shiny riot gear. You know what comes next.

        I believe that putting that shit on effectively programs the wearer to need a riot just to justify the hassle of carrying all that crap they wear to protect themselves. We see testimony above about he defensive nature of the riot shields; any gladiator will grin if you call a shield a defensive weapon. Lose the adjective; it’s all a matter of how it’s wielded.

        We’re about to be blessed with the appearance of the “first” Marvel superhero on our big shiny screens soon. WHat’s his weapon? Oh, right. A Shield.

      • behemoth

        They already have; the riot police here in London are called the Territorial Support Group. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a group of officers who have twice murdered people in the course of ‘policing’, and that deploying them in anything short of a full blown riot is unacceptable.

  • Anonymous

    Would Ben be able to sue/press charges against the officer who beat him???

  • ultranaut

    I was alone for the first time
    The message I was told was to try and find
    The joy of a lifetime

    I just can’t think of England
    I can’t see the picture
    I’m still running from the fire, the fire

  • jphilby

    I love how all the middle managers show up to chide us rude children.

    Better climb farther up the ladder of success, gentlemen. We’ll soon be biting at your heels.

  • Anonymous

    Where were the legal observers from TUC & Liberty when this was happening?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOhPskpVfMI

  • Anonymous

    Walking round Picadilly Circus is not illegal. Demonstrating isn’t illegal.

    Kettling, however, surely is.

    I have a real problem with people who think that because someone dares demonstrate — and just remember, this government did not win a mandate at the ballot box, they are doing these things only because they have the support of the ‘Liberal’ party, who have campaigned as a left of centre part for 50 years — then they are fair game for this kind of abuse.

  • Anonymous

    I am amazed; when so much crime goes unreported and unphotographed; that the vast majority of the crime committed on Saturday by those called the Blac Bloc was done in front of the MSM cameras – how convenient was that then?

  • Anonymous

    Blach baclh blach blah blah,
    Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah,
    what in God’s name, does it ever give the law enforcement,
    the right, to, disregard a person, disengaged, however, compliant to the law itself,
    to just take Affirmative Action, and albeit, unnecessary action,
    against one who takes liberty in being aware, fair, and justifiable, to respond, to the issues of police brutality, albeit.
    It is entirely, unresponsive, illegitimate, AND indeterminate, to take a person’s right to make public protest, and redetermine, IT, as, civil Unrest.
    Therefore, if the essential, and proper, course of conduction, is in fact, ‘rap-ored,’ in a civilized manner, THENCE-FORTH, where does an officer of the law GET OFF doing (or, performing) criminalized police conduct itsself [in and of itself]: for the instances of criminalized behavior without due representation.
    Or, albeit, for his or her own policed initiative without DUE concern, to the law itself.
    It is, the responsibility, of law enforcement, to PROTECT, the individual, not RETECT, the individual, of civil justice.
    Rejection, is NOT an option of law enforcement, case and pundit.
    Period.

  • asuffield

    I am saying that it would be easier for her to go with the flow and say something like “violent protesters disrupt peaceful march.”

    Now you’ve diverted into a complete abandonment of logic, with an argument which is just “because it was more effort to write this article than to reprint other headlines, this article must be the truth”. I don’t think you’re very good at this.