Osama bin Laden dead

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  1. Powell says:

    Amazing! Is this really happening? Wow!

  2. JIMWICh says:

    Wow, President Obama’s still FOOSBALL SLAMMING!!!! Donald Trump. Tonight, announcing Osama Bin Laden’s death just in time for tonight’s episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

    Well played, sir! Well played!

  3. Antinous / Moderator says:

    The Leader Of The Free Worldâ„¢ upstaged by a royal wedding? I don’t think so.

  4. just a guy says:

    My guess is that things were better with a legend living in hiding as opposed to a DNA proven martyr….

  5. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    Vnent @250, I believe I can find a better source for that quote.

    There’s a standard set of names that get attached to funny remarks. I estimate the commonest ones these days are Oscar Wilde, Dorothy Parker, Mark Twain, and Winston Churchill. It’s part of a larger pattern whereby loose quotations and anonymous works get attributed to the nearest big name. There were a couple of centuries when almost any collection of prophecies (it was a popular form of camouflaged political writing) would be attributed to Thomas of Ercildoune, and a longer period when anything that sounded like a proverb got attributed to Alfred the Great. There’s an entire apocrypha’s worth of medieval poems that were misattributed to Chaucer. Et cetera. You get the idea.

    Can you see this coming? The reason you can’t find where Twain said that line is that Twain didn’t say it.

    It properly belongs to Rep. Thomas Bracket Reed of Maine, 36th (1889-1891) and 38th (1895-1899) Speaker of the House. He was noted for his wit. One of his famous lines was his reply when asked whether his party might nominate him for President: “They could do worse, and they probably will.”

    The quotation you want: “When asked whether he would attend the funeral of a political opponent, Reed said ‘No, but I approve of it.’”

    It’s around the right time, and it sounds kind of like Twain, so people misattribute it to the more familiar source.

    How sure am I? It’s prominently quoted in Ken Burns’ documentary on Congress, at around 1:30:00. That’s not an absolute guarantee of accuracy, but it’s one of the more reliable secondary sources — Burns and his staff research the hell out of those documentaries.

  6. Amira says:

    “founded the al-Qaeda jihadist group and orchestrated terrorist operations including the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, D.C.”

    This is a mistake on your part. He is not wanted for the 9/11 attacks due to lack of hard evidence. You can go check the charges against him on the FBI’s website. American media will be bleeding this 9/11 thing for as long as they can… sad. It just proves that if you repeat something enough times, it becomes a fact.

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

  7. billstewart says:

    “Multiple Sources” is still “The US Government”. There’s a skinny old guy with a beard who’s dead. Maybe it’s actually Osama himself, but he probably hasn’t actually mattered operationally for some years (and if he has, he did a lousy job of designing an organization or a movement.) The Bush Administration certainly didn’t think hunting for him was an important priority once they’d started their Iraq war, and maybe they knew what they were doing with that.

    If Obama uses this as an excuse to end the war, great – it needs ending.

  8. johnphantom says:

    I won’t believe Osama bin Laden is dead until I see his long form death certificate.

  9. Anonymous says:

    npr website says it’s obama bin laden

  10. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    In re the earlier discussion of internet rules, I’ll propose another one, suitable for sites that draw large audiences: In any complex, emotionally charged situation that has already generated a busy thread, fake pundits, trolls, and know-nothings will turn up to air their small store of opinions and smaller store of facts. They will be less motivated by events or by the discussion proper than by the chance of getting to pontificate in front of a larger audience than they could hope to attract on their own.

    Three of the commonest tactics these types use to make themselves seem more knowledgeable (and therefore more interesting) than they actually are: (a.) insistently repeating simple prepackaged talking points they’ve picked up from some standard source; (b.) playing the contrarian, which usually means they post the initial “you’re all wrong about everything” comments, but never get around to genuinely thrashing out the details; and (c.) laying claim to bogus moral superiority by accusing other commenters of having Wrong Attitudes they don’t actually hold.

    Drath there is a prize internet know-nothing. He doesn’t have organically generated opinions of his own; just prepackaged talking points. That’s why he keeps going back to the same subjects, over and over again: it’s all he knows. He can’t even modify what opinions he has, because they’re in the nature of a consumer app, and he doesn’t have access to the source code.

    Asuffield @146, LX @172, and Anon @180 are also prime examples. Here’s Asuffield:

    We’ve got public celebrations of violent slaughter, —

    No, we don’t. Citizens, primarily in NYC and DC — the cities that got hit on 9/11 — are celebrating the takedown of a malign thug who masterminded the murder of thousands of their people, and explicitly intended to murder more if he could.

    Who else feels this way? For starters, the Muslim Brotherhood. They’ve issued a statement saying, “The killing of Bin Laden eliminates one of the causes of violence in the world.” Note also that the NYTimes has a front-page photo of Arab-Americans in Detroit celebrating last night.

    Back to asuffield’s handwringing:

    innocent civilians dead in the process, —

    I haven’t seen that confirmed yet. I certainly hadn’t seen anything like that confirmed at the time of asuffield’s post.

    and there was never any evidence of his guilt established.

    He was guilty. As other commenters have pointed out to asuffield, we had Bin Laden’s word for it. And, lest we forget: inciting the attack on the US Embassy in Tanzania, and more direct involvement with the bombing of the USS Cole.

    The US just declared him to be the target a few years ago and started shooting their way across a continent —

    If we’d actually focused on Bin Laden and his droogs, there’d have been a lot fewer complaints about the war in Iraq, which had nothing to do with him.

    but there was no trial,

    Osama bin Laden’s the one who made a trial impossible. We went in in force because he’s always been trigger-happy and strongly defended. There’s no reason to imagine that he wouldn’t have responded to the implicit force of an attempted arrest with actual force, as in shooting anyone who tried it.

    and no proof that it was this man responsible rather than the next one in line. This is not justice.

    There were heaps of proof lying around, with signs on them saying “FREE — TAKE SOME.” If one is going to be ignorant, lazy about fact-checking, and given to making wild guesses, it’s best to not assume a tone of blustering moral indignation.

    LX @172 was more of the same, only shorter:

    I just don’t get you americans. Killing someone who allegedly was involved in terrorism is justice for you? And you don’t even ask for evidence (both on the fact whether he was really involved and was really killed)?

    Again, there was nothing “allegedly” about it.

    Here’s another internet rule: if a commenter begins by saying “you people” or “you liberals” or “you folks” or some variant thereon, the odds are low that what follows will be pleasant or worthwhile.)

    Anon @180 combined all these crap tactics in one stellar performance:

    I hope that people in USA will show some restraint and not make this a reason for excessive celebration, but for contemplation. You got your revenge, now you can put that aside and start acting like you’re not bloodthirsty madmen.

    There’s your classic “bogus moral superiority” move: the celebration is “excessive,” it celebrates “revenge,” and the people celebrating are acting like “bloodthirsty madmen” — three assertions that range from “questionable” to “false and offensive” — and therefore Anon @180 is entitled to lecture us about his morally superior opinion.

    The gist of that opinion: Osama bin Laden is not a comic-book villain (gosh!). The world is more complicated than what’s shown in US media (only Drath doesn’t know that). Bushes Sr. and Jr. “caused more terror and death among civilians then Adolf Hitler ever managed” (wrong by an order of magnitude), and so did Reagan (ditto). Finally, he points out that the world didn’t celebrate when Reagan died. While this is technically true, it ignores the fact that by the time he died, Reagan had long since ceased to be a threat to anyone. Alzheimer’s will do that.

    My favorite bit is where he asks how we’d feel if people worldwide were celebrating the departure of one of the Bushes. By this token, what we know about Anon @180 is that he wasn’t watching television on Inauguration Day in 2008.

    Before I finish, I’d like to take swipes at three of the more ignorant conspiracy-theory components.

    1. “OBL died a long time ago. They’ve just been waiting for a good time to announce it.”

    The body has been released to his family for traditional Muslim disposal. That doesn’t leave any opportunity to pretty up a long-dead corpse, and there’s no reason to imagine the family would keep quiet if that’s what they received.

    2. “OBL’s videos, recordings, and other communiques were crude and obvious forgeries.”

    No, they weren’t. If you want to cast doubt on them, point out their unknowable provenance.

    3. “They couldn’t possibly have genetically ID’d the body.”

    Those tests have gotten a lot faster, and OBL has lots of relatives. I believe the genetic match was provided voluntarily by a full sister of his.

    Internet experts. You gotta love ‘em.

  11. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    Correction: Brackett, not Bracket.

  12. Anonymous says:

    Hurray! We can take bottled water onto airplanes again!

  13. Anonymous says:

    I wonder. Would it have been better if he’d been brought in alive?

    With how Bradley Manning’s been treated, I’m thinking probably not.

  14. OrcOnTheEndOfMyFork says:

    I believe NONE of this.
    Come on, this crowd has watched Farenheit 9/11 mostly, right?…

    For anyone who thinks only the right wing can lose their grip on reality: Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, Lefty Loosey.

    And now that’s out of the way…

    ~ding dong the witch is dead~
    ~which old witch? the wicked witch!~

  15. roboton says:

    I wish I could say that my feelings on this tracked my spiritual philosophies of doing no harm and valuing all life, but in this case I’m going with the phrase “he needed killin” and leaving it at that.

  16. Lobster says:

    BBC is saying that he was shot in the head after resisting (don’t imagine he had to resist very much at that point).

    I’d love to talk to the guy who pulled that trigger. Get his take on it.

  17. Anonymous says:

    I’m speechless. I honestly thought this day would never come, not after Tora Bora at least.

  18. Anonymous says:

    I can’t believe people are falling for this propaganda fluff piece.

  19. Ugly Canuck says:

    So Obama got Osama.
    Well, well.

  20. antfarmer says:

    How was it that they decided in advance to kill and reject any effort to capture OBL? Two guards, a woman, OBL’s son, maybe a couple others against a well funded Navy Seals group. Was death a necessity to avoid a trial? Was it a political necessity to increase the chance of re-election? It seems that the decision should have been left to the armed Navy Seals. I’m guessing that OBL, with kidney disease and not many opportunities to get out and exercise probably could have been subdued with a shot to the kneecap, even if he was armed. But apparently someone decided that keeping him alive for interrogation was not as valuable as snuffing him immediately. As a taxpayer, I’d rather get my money’s worth, my portion of the trillions spent on 3 wars, Afghani roads to no-where, Halliburton kick backs etc. I’d rather he was kept alive long enough to ask him what he was actually involved with (or at least to hear his responses), if he really had anything to do with the planning of 9-11, and to find out if he is nuts or if he had some ideology that was worth dissecting. But a dead Osama can’t tell us if he was funded by the US when we were bankrolling some “freedom fighters” when the Soviets occupied Afghanistan. Dead Osama can’t tell us if attacking the towers was an act of anti-semitism or anti-capitalism or revenge for Bush #1′s troops in ‘holy land’ during the Kuwait episode. Dead Osama can’t give us the satisfaction of keeping him in detention for many years of boredom and the chance to let his admirers see him as a pathetic, weakened son of a billionaire. I’d rather see him imprisoned as a cipher than glorified as a martyr.
    The necessity to kill him when he could have been captured instead just smells funny, and it smells more of politics and avoiding embarrassment than it smells of simple revenge.

  21. Stefan Jones says:

    OOOohhh, this is rich. Obama is stealing Glen Beck’s “remember how we felt after 9/11″ line. Only, not being an insane dick head, Obama doesn’t make it sound like cheap jingoism.

  22. elix says:

    So how about them rights? How long before all those are reinstated?

    *crickets*

  23. Antinous / Moderator says:

    So, is somebody hunting down the Bushes Sr and Jr? Cause they’ve ordered a whole lot more killings than Bin Laden.

    • Victor Drath says:

      “So, is somebody hunting down the Bushes Sr and Jr? Cause they’ve ordered a whole lot more killings than Bin Laden.”

      Amen. Except you forgot our current noble prize winning leader, him too.

      • Antinous / Moderator says:

        I was going to extend him a full term to repair his mistakes, but he’s on my list.

        • beep1o says:

          Right yes, hate on Obama. Because the *cough Republican/Tea Party* alternative in this crazy two party system is SO much better.

  24. jackruby1123 says:

    Im no conspiracy theorist but is anyone else a little suspicious of the fact that a targeted assault using soldiers on the ground killed him instead of capturing him?

    • karl_jones says:

      I’m no conspiracy theorist but is anyone else a little suspicious of the fact that a targeted assault using soldiers on the ground killed him instead of capturing him?

      Apart from the problem of “Thou Shall Not Kill”, I’m disappointed whenever someone kills a war criminal, because that war criminal should be thrown in a brig and interrogated from now until the end of their natural life.

      Maybe it was not possible to take him alive. That might have been the case. Such is war.

      Maybe he knew too much, and we sent in the death squads. Or maybe he didn’t know too much, but we sent in death squads anyway, to avenge his crimes against America. Or maybe it was just war, and all this talk of death squads is fanciful embellishment. These things happen.

      No way to tell.

      I feel more strongly about the execution of Saddam Hussein and Chemical Ali, because we had them in custody. They should have been kept in the brig and interrogated for the rest of their natural lives … but surely they knew too much, and only their deaths could guarantee that their embarrassing secrets would remain secret.

    • MythicalMe says:

      I’m not sure that OBL could have been captured alive. Even so, any trial would have been a circus and a security nightmare.

  25. Anonymous says:

    I don’t get the celebratory mood.

    Lots of people died unjustly, and now another has been added to the list.

    As far as I’m aware (and granted I may be wrong), Osama never received a trial in which he received a death sentence. Even Saddam had the courtesy of a kangaroo court.

    If he was guilty, it would have been much preferred to bring him in alive for that most American of rituals, a trial by jury of peers.

    Rushed justice isn’t really much of justice at all.

  26. emmdeeaych says:

    and in related news, George W. Bush also no longer in charge of anything but a remote ranch.

  27. ThinkCritically says:

    Now there is no chance for Osama to deny those suspiciously fake videos and audio tapes released by the US on circumspect dates like on the eve of the 2004 election. Did you see the quality of those post-2002 videos? It was as if for some reason, Osama decided to retrofit his camera equipment with 1975 technology for “SOME REASON”. AND, keep his head stationary. Great CGI coming out of Langley eh?

    And now a quick disposal of the body! This guy was captured or killed a long time ago. Wake up. Lies, lies, and more lies.
    What this does accomplish for the US imperialists however is to manufacture consent for an eventual invasion of Pakistan. Well played.

  28. Teller says:

    He had it coming and he got it good. Good work, Special Forces.

  29. Anonymous says:

    I’m no fan of Obama generally, but tonight I say “Well done, Mr President, and well done, your men in harm’s way who carried it out.”

  30. elliot winner says:

    He was killed “after the firefight”? Why wasn’t he captured alive?

    • Anonymous says:

      Oh, probably the same reason McVeigh was so expediently executed…

    • JustOk says:

      “after the firefight” – sounds like he was executed on the spot.

      • lava says:

        I’m curious how this will be explained as more of the story unfolds. Is the US actually going to own killing him “after the firefight”, or will there be some justified resistance or attempt to flee? The phrasing was very deliberate – an effort to not lie about what happened no doubt.

        Does the US government actually issue kill on sight orders? No doubt the CIA does such things covertly and does not take credit openly, but with figures such as OBL and this very public announcement?

        The explanation will be interesting.

        • SamSam says:

          “After the firefight” is a pretty clunky way of putting it, but it’s also pretty common. It neither means that he was executed, not that he committed suicide or anything.

          “Joe Schmoe was killed after a firefight with the police today” is a fairly common thing to read. Basically, if the firefight ends when the person dies, then the firefight itself was happening just before the person died.

          It’s a confusing way of putting it, but I wouldn’t read anything more into it than was intended unless we hear more.

      • Michael Smith says:

        “after the firefight” – sounds like he was executed on the spot.

        More likely he committed suicide. Its been the practice of terrorists cornered in similar circumstances.

  31. benchscientist says:

    I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure. – Mark Twain

  32. rebdav says:

    Whew!
    The terror is finally over!
    No more water confiscation, porn scanners, nut grabs, nailfile confiscation, TSA @$$holes, and being told everything is different now and we have to do this for the country.
    Also can I carry a normal pocket knife again so that I “Lets roll” the hijackers like on 9-11 instead of using unarmed ninja skills.

  33. Anonymous says:

    George W. Bush has released a quote in response to this news:

    “You mean he wasn’t in Iraq?”

  34. WaylonWillie says:

    Fine. But is there anyone else out there who doesn’t want to celebrate killing?

  35. ryane says:

    The run several DNA tests in under an hour all week. Monday is in Miami, Wednesday in New York, Thursday in Las Vegas and just about any hour of the given day in syndication.

  36. Avram / Moderator says:

    So, how many days worth of nothing-but-OBL-death being covered by the news can the Obama administration count on?

  37. Anonymous says:

    EDT, not EST!

  38. Anonymous says:

    I still believe he’s been dead for years. This announcement conveniently comes among highest oil prices ever, and wow, prices slip a bit after the announcement (on the anniversary of “Mission Accomplished” no less). Not to mention a sure boost to Obama’s ratings.

    Who’s going to be our Emmanuel Goldstien now ?

    And does this mean you will now get back all the freedoms you’ve sacrificed in freedom’s sake during the war on terror ?

  39. HeartlessMachine says:

    Anybody else in the world dies, and the boingboing headline is “RIP so-and-so.” This guy just gets a “Dead”

    Ma ha.

  40. Bonzo McGrue says:

    Last night Obama was hamming it up at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, telling jokes about Bachmann, Trump and Biden, knowing full well that a team of American spec ops forces were in place and planning to engage Bin Laden in a firefight.

    I’m not sure I could keep that poker face.

    • Victor Drath says:

      “I’m not sure I could keep that poker face.”

      Same face he used to get elected. He hides things pretty well I guess.

  41. HDN says:

    He must have had an iPhone.

    • Dead Air says:

      Best comment in Boing Boing context, hands down.

      • Mister44 says:

        OMG – I second. Deserves a high quality spoof commercial of the AT&T vs Verison campaign.

        “What is that behind you?”

        “Oh, it’s just a special forces team. They keep popping up, looking for me every time I tweet my grandma.”

    • i_prefer_yeti says:

      Dude liked words with friends, yo!

  42. NuOrder72 says:

    Wow…I got a little choked up with his closing remarks. It should be interesting to hear what “intelligence” was gathered from his compound. Future targets? Sleeper Cells? I’m sure Wikileaks will have the 411 shortly….

    It also should be interesting to listen to Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and other repuke right-wing TV/radio trash spin this in the direction of their liking. Who will put their foot in their mouth first?

  43. Wally Ballou says:

    Anon @ 180

    Bush Sr or Bush Jr …………… but even caused more terror and death among civilians then Adolf Hitler ever managed.

    Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle!

    The word “Godwin” doesn’t even cover the idiocy of this comment. Godwin raised to googolplex power doesn’t cover this.

    I hope poster #180 is not eligible to vote, but I fear that he/she is.

  44. Dead Air says:

    Never would have guessed I’d find out about it reading Boing Boing first.

  45. Giant Robot Architect says:

    How does JSOC split the reward money and how soon does the FBI fill OSBL’s slot on the 10 most wanted list?

  46. rebdav says:

    BFD BHO KIA OBL

  47. sapere_aude says:

    I refuse to cheer over anyone’s death, not even Osama bin Laden’s; but I’m certainly not going to shed any tears for him. He reaped the just consequences of his own actions. Yes, the killing of Osama bin Laden is little more than a symbolic victory for the United States in the fight against international Islamist terrorism. But we should never underestimate the importance of symbolic victories. We’ve had more than enough symbolic defeats over the past decade.

  48. travtastic says:

    So, we get our country back now?

    Who’s the next monster under my bed going to be?

  49. Anonymous says:

    The man became irrelevant on sept 12 2001.

    Its not going to halt the security theater that goes on daily in the airports is it now?

    The TSA will still be groping people in ways that would get _me_ arrested.

    Bin Laden’s dead. So what?

  50. JonS says:

    now would be a good time to do some statistical analysis on editting trends at wikipedia

  51. sinking_ship says:

    now may day is totally f*cked…

  52. teapot says:

    Drath we know you hate Obama… how bout you stay on topic this time? It’s getting old.

    • Victor Drath says:

      “Drath we know you hate Obama… how bout you stay on topic this time? It’s getting old.”

      Hey, he’s the one on tv telling me all about it, so he’s part of the equation. I don’t like any of them for the record, they’re all crooks. But I’ll tell you what’s old, people that don’t really read and educate themselves on topics.

      • teapot says:

        Dude, it’s just that pretty much any post on any topic vaguely/tangentially related to Obama generates judgmental, vitriolic comments from you. Don’t think we didn’t notice.

        One person saying the same thing 1000 times has no impact in comparison to 1000 people saying the same thing once.

        On another note: for this many people to rock up at The Whitehouse on a Sunday night, around midnight?? ….. THAT is creepy.
        http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7339/whitehouseppl.jpg

        • Snig says:

          Creepy? You do know that people live in DC? And that thousands of political addicts of every stripe and thousands of military families live in very easy driving distance in MD and VA? And it’s pretty easy to drive into DC at this time? The parking meters are off, lot’s of parking.

        • wigg1es says:

          “One person saying the same thing 1000 times has no impact in comparison to 1000 people saying the same thing once.”

          According to Fox, both are equally valid. And of course it doesn’t matter what’s actually being said. As long as there’s more voices on your side, right?

        • Jack says:

          Why is that creepy? Do you really not understand the concept of closure and how folks in Washington, D.C. might have felt. I see that and it feels fine. People getting out of their homes and experiencing a moment that closes a chapter in U.S. history.

  53. ill lich says:

    “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

    – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  54. Anonymous says:

    Now the question is, who inherits his estate? He was very, very wealthy.

  55. zebbart says:

    I second the disgust at celebrating murder, but let’s look at this rationally. Who does this help? What’s the real cost/benefit. Granted some major emotional gratification for some, but what are the odds bin Laden’s death will inspire more killings than the rest of his life would have? Is this even a strategic victory? I’m skeptical whether bin Laden would have ever posed a serious threat again, but I’m honestly just asking because this is not my area of expertise.

  56. William George says:

    Good riddance.

  57. dbarak says:

    I’m sure that bin Laden is dead, but I did hear something that could raise a little suspicion. It’s been reported that DNA confirmation has been made. Doesn’t it take days or weeks to do that, or is that time frame the result of backlogs?

    • saurabh says:

      Nope, it’s not that hard to run a DNA test. Probably under an hour with the right equipment ready.

    • Kieran O'Neill says:

      No, the entire protocol can be carried out in a few hours. The days/weeks time frame is indeed due to backlogs.

  58. Touch Sensitive says:

    GRAPHIC
    NOT SAFE FOR WORK – NOT SAFE FOR WORK

    http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2516/obldoingthestandingstil.jpg

    -or-

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/9/osama_bin_laden_dead0001_66.jpg

    NOT SAFE FOR WORK – NOT SAFE FOR WORK
    GRAPHIC
    NOT SAFE FOR WORK – NOT SAFE FOR WORK
    GRAPHIC
    NOT SAFE FOR WORK – NOT SAFE FOR WORK

    • Touch Sensitive says:

      Hmm, my post is a fake, sorry.. The picture has ‘come back to life’ though, doing the rounds of various sites.

  59. tyger11 says:

    “CNN reported that the president gave the order to launch the attack while watching the marriage of Prince William and Catherine Middleton.”

    Yeah, makes me want to kill someone, too.

  60. Mister44 says:

    Well good. America – fuck yeah!

    Anyone having icky feelings about it, needs to re-evaluate their outlook on life. Evil like that doesn’t deserve pity or morning. He look – an action from Obama I can be 110% behind – good job, Barry!

    Now – do you think we can end the TSA fondling?

    • wigg1es says:

      I’m not having icky feelings, but I do think this celebration thats sprung up is absurd in a thousand different ways.

      • Mister44 says:

        OK well – maybe you haven’t been personally touched by 9/11 or the two wars resulting from it.

        While this is a ‘symbolic’ victory – it is a good one and makes the sacrifices seem all the more worthy.

        Remember the iconic raising of the flag of Iwo Jima was done only 1/2 way through the assault on the island. We still have work to do, but is a much needed milestone that has finally been reached.

        To others worried about a trial or some shit – there was no question of guilt or his involvement. They just saved us tax payers a billion dollars of securing, housing, feeding, and prosecuting him, followed by 10 years of appeals before execution.

        • Victor Drath says:

          Really? Worthwhile? America lost more people “fighting terror” than 9/11, so I’m not sure if that squares up. And what about the other deaths? 150,000 – 600,000 or something like that? Too bad there isn’t an accurate tally, but we don’t count lowly primitive people, they arn’t worth our time.

        • Onecos says:

          You talk like you really know something. Well Mister44 know it all, you’re totally wrong. It would have taken the U.S. justice system over 20 years of appeals before execution!!! ;)

          • Victor Drath says:

            They would have just sent him to GTMO, no trial needed. Same as they’ve done with many of the rest.

          • Mister44 says:

            I am a big enough man to admit when I am wrong. Thank you for teh correction :o)

        • Jack says:

          While this is a ‘symbolic’ victory – it is a good one and makes the sacrifices seem all the more worthy.

          What sacrifices do you mean? Civil liberties? Or lives wasted in Iraq? Because in the great scheme of things, if Bush/Cheney actually went to Afghanistan (where Bin Laden was) instead of Iraq (where delusions lived) then this would have happened years ago.

          The lives wasted in Iraq are 100% not worth it. The civil liberties lost are not worth it. The celebration is deserved because Bin Laden deserves to be dead for what he has done to the U.S. and the world. And Obama deserves to be praised for dealing with Bush’s mess to cut through the crap and get this bastard once and for all.

          But then again, what sacrifices do you mean?

  61. JohnnyOC says:

    I am wondering if anyone is thinking what would of happened if they took him alive.

    It would be a media circus for months and months while Osama was defended in court (if it went that way) with the right accusing of the left being lenient or locked behind Gitmo while people wanted to see him hung.

    The left accusing the right of being butchers and the right to a fair trial.

    There would be animosity, death threats, potential rioting in front of the courthouse where the trial would be with police standing order.

    Possible terrorist groups energized and trying to get him back or attacking targets (which still might happen).

    Maybe Obama thought of that with his advisers..that it would be best to end it with one shot to the head.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Yay! Extrajudicial killing to avoid bad PR! That Nobel Prize was for Peaciness, right?

      • JohnnyOC says:

        Yeah, I imagine we would never really know if he weighted those options or not and if they had a chance to take bin Laden alive.

        For me it’s the whole “walking a mile in a man’s shoes”. I honestly wouldn’t know what to do if I had that kind of power and had the option of taking him in alive or not.

  62. Arch Stanton says:

    This complete waste of flesh doesn’t even deserve to be in the unmarked grave next to mine.
    Sounds like at least one of the folks here was in the picture of the kids smoking cigarettes while the towers burned in the background.
    I wish I could come in here and sound all ironically detached, but I can’t. Too much of my life has been spent wondering if that plane in its normal landing pattern could actually veer off and kill another thousand people.
    I can’t say I’m happy right now, but I can totally understand anyone who is.
    I don’t know if this is a good day or not, but it is way, way overdue.

  63. febryle says:

    Osama shouldn’t have used his real address for his PlayStation Network account.

  64. goldmineguttd says:

    I’m pretty sickened by the ebullient tone in my twitter feed. (And it’s not like I’m following many conservatives.) I thought we got our blood lust settled by invading two countries and using robots to bomb wedding parties.

    Once the jingoism dies down, this better begin a sea change in our foreign policy. We “won”, right? So we can stop the bullshit?

    I’m just glad he was taken out by intelligence + a small posse of soldiers (and not a drone strike). I guess that’s the way to do it.

    But this all kind of makes the Afghanistan war a complete tragedy of epic proportions, a tragedy that far dwarfs 9/11. Every life lost (on both sides) for *absolutely nothing*. Fucking lame.

    • Sapa says:

      “…this better begin a sea change in our foreign policy”

      Looks like it did if they fed him to the fishes

  65. Anonymous says:

    As of the death of Osama Bin Laden, I find there’s been a metaphorical cloud of mystery surrounding the consequences. I myslef have been doing a bit of reading and have found the following article one of the more clear and reliable ones. (here’s a link, if you’d like a look:
    http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=G2NXDMDSH7G8&preview=article&linkid=80c0e3c4-d6f7-4708-b6c0-2fbab40234c2&pdaffid=ZVFwBG5jk4Kvl9OaBJc5%2bg%3d%3d ) Well anyway, hope this helped a little with context, and I’m sure more will come up as the media fuss calms down a little.

  66. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    I don’t see it as rejoicing over death. I see it as celebrating the end of a guy who masterminded a lot of murders, and wanted to do more.

    That asshole committed wholesale murder on my fire department, my EMTs (they were classified as part of the FDNY) and other first reponders, and my neighbors and friends-of-friends. He left a huge hole in my city that’s still being repaired, and he gave political cover to some of the worst impulses in American political life. AND HE WAS PROUD OF DOING IT.

    Right now, being sanctimonious about celebrating his death cuts no mustard with me at all.

    • Jack says:

      100% agreed. I really do not want to hear anyone saying that chanting “U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!” is ‘creepy’ considering this is quite possibly the most valid moment anyone in the U.S. can truly celebrate.

      And politically, I am sooo proud of Obama. Nobody can convince me that something as massive as this cannot have a positive effect on is presidency and his ability to lead. It immediately eliminates the tea-party clowns, ends idiots like Trump buzzing around his ear and gives him the platform he deserves to push “change” through. My attitude is Obama has be a wee bit tepid his first 4 years because he knows he really needs 8 years to unravel this mess. THIS ONE EVENT has the true potential to let this guy lead the way he should. Birthers? GONE! “What has he done?” clowns? GONE! Trump? GONE! Palin? GONE! Republicans? A bumbling headless mess. This was a good event and a good day for America.

      But on another note, do an eBay search for “Osama Bin Laden” and watch America’s souvenir industry burst back to life!

      • Victor Drath says:

        WARNING: operation Sock Puppet in effect.

        Seriously dude, his death dosn’t mean jack shit. Our troops will not be coming home, our economy will not change, our rights will not go back the way they were, nothing will change. A good day? Sure. Please outline that for us, I’d love to hear all the details.

        • Jack says:

          It is a good day because Obama has had to deal with the Bush/Cheney mess from day one and trying to balance the needs of cleaning up their mess while trying to build consensus in the U.S. It’s all been theoretical up until now, and now it’s real. He did what Bush/Cheney could not do. He did it all while fight off assholes like Donald Trump who questioned his validity based on race. And now it’s better because if Obama is in office for 4 more years there is a MUCH GREATER chance that he can actually unravel even more of the Bush/Cheney mess AND have popular support AND have political support.

          Don’t blame Obama for the Bush/Cheney mess. Be grateful this chapter is over and now even loons who think he is a “crypto Muslim” can shut up already.

          • Victor Drath says:

            Never believed in any of the Trump/“crypto Muslim” stuff. But if you do some research you’ll find that he’s just an extension of the two you mentioned, he’s continued their flawed policies and created even worse ones.

            I still would like an outline of how this “mess” is straightened out. I’m calling it from anyone who thinks this is some earth shaking news that changes everything. Tell me about the change, people, tell me how it matters.

          • Jack says:

            …he’s continued their flawed policies and created even worse ones.

            First you are a troll. No question. But here is the deal: You can’t just turn this stuff off like a switch. Believing that is how the world works or how behavior like that works in war zones is naive and childish. The source of these policies was the “war on terror” that had at it’s head hunting down Bin Laden. Killing him is a massive victory. Combine this with spontaneous democratic revolts in Arab states and things are changing. A plan to pull out can happen now. This asinine war on terror—which should have just been a war on Al-Qaeda to begin with—can be rolled back.

            How do you expect someone to roll back 8 years of mess in 4 years? Very clear to me Obama has treaded lightly and not wanted to wrankle feathers so as to not be another Jimmy Carter. Give him 2 terms and I have faith in his ability to unravel this mess. If he’s re-elected (and why not?) in 2012 and things are still the same, then I will be sick of him. But I see a genuine method to his current politics and need to balance both sides.

            Now go troll someone else.

          • Blaatann says:

            I guess you are aware that the “War on Terror” TM is an industry, right? Do you really think they are going to let all those TSA goons go now? Take away all the lucrative government contracts on weapons, x-ray machines, robots, equipment and general spy-stuff? In this economy? This will change nothing.

        • emmdeeaych says:

          What are you, the people’s poet? let the people have their good time, killjoy. Grind your axe again tomorrow.

          • Victor Drath says:

            Not axe grinding, I just want you to tell me exactly what this changes. How does it affect our lives? Simple question.

    • Anonymous says:

      Would you be equally supportive should we one day see Iraqis celebrating the hit-squad murders of Bush and Blair?

  67. Amelia_G says:

    Will Gaddafi (sp.?) be pressured by this?

  68. fraac says:

    He had twinkly eyes and a warm smile. I can see how he was so popular.

  69. social_maladroit says:

    Interesting, I would have bet money that OBL was killed and buried under a pile of rubble years ago (and that those tapes were faked). That we just hadn’t located the body.

    NPR’s reporting that people in DC and NYC are celebrating like their team won the World Series. They’re also reporting the possibility that the Pakistanis weren’t told about the raid until after it happened.

    Ever since watching that ABC News interview what looked like a well-armed whackjob living in a cave, I’ve wondered what OBL personified that made his followers want to carry out his plans.

  70. BrendanBabbage says:

    I believe NONE of this.
    Come on, this crowd has watched Farenheit 9/11 mostly, right?

    IMO, if Osama wasn’t dead for years, there’s now a new prince in the Bin Laden clan that…uhh…wasn’t ever outside the country, they forgot to register him, yeah that’s right…

    What happened is that Obama’s popularity was so low that Trump was going to be “Written in” this time despite obviously just using the media for free advertising so he pulled the “We got Osama” card. Dubya was able to just release tapes and play with “Alert Levels” but the country was fresh from propaganda lies and the economy hadn’t been destroyed yet.

    But every war in modern history is a LIE. Real death, and real mountains of money the “Globalist Bankers” make off of it, but all lies.

    Iraq-In #1 he asked permission to annex Kiwait, and then note they didn’t take him out when they could, leading his people who rose against him to suffer for a decade.

    Panama-fake, no “Atrocities” against American Tourists, Noreiga just wanted independance, only THEN did they care about his “Drug Trafficking”…

    Vietnam – pentagon papers

    Korea – aftershock of WW2

    WW2 – Pearl Harbor was a known attack allowed to happen. For at least a year earlier FDR had shipped arms to Britain escorted by American ships, hoping for a Lusitania 2

    WW1 – The “Atrocity” the ship Lusitania. It was carrying arms. It was, under rules agreed on by both sides, a “Legitimate Target”. This has been proven by robotic submarine. It’s only amazing it didn’t blow up on it’s own or sink as much arms as it was carrying, unknown to it’s “Civilian” passengers I suppose. A lot of stuff later, the exact “Route” and times of the ship was LEAKED to German intelligence. Wouldn’t be surprised if the ship was owned by the “Merchants of Death”, arms dealers and major bankers.

    These wars are all fakes. LIES. Just so the Globalist Bankers profit from countries pretending to fight them.

    Think we’ll be ever out of Afghanistan/Iraq? Nope. IF there’s rioting and mass sabotage of infrastructure, they’ll probably plant news that the fighting is over, but there’s the same amount of troops/deaths over there. But likely Obama and even TRUMP if it comes to that would just keep shoveling in troops.

  71. Joseph Hertzlinger says:

    From Retief’s War by Keith Laumer:

    “I is a great believer in peaceful settlements,” Jik-jik assured him. “Ain’t nobody as peaceful as a dead trouble-maker.”

  72. CastanhasDoPara says:

    After having read all the commentary here I have come to the conclusion that outside of a handful of people that were actually present for this state sanctioned slaying (whether or not it happened last night or last year) nobody really knows what happened. And we may never know. Indeed that may have been the whole point.

    Also, this changes nothing on a global scale. Terrorists will still be terrorists, jingoist will still be jingoists, apologist will still be apologists, conspiracy theorists will still be conspiracy theorists, idiots will still be idiots, jerks will still be jerks, party-line towers will still be party-line towers etc etc. The only thing that has changes is that big “T” Terrorism has lost it’s mascot, in an official sense. Tragically, somebody will step up and fill that role sooner or later. And the cycle will continue.

    All in all, the only WTF for me here was the whole burial at sea thing. That’s really quite unbelievable for a number of reasons. Some of which have already been mentioned and some haven’t.

  73. cubicblackpig says:

    Watching the crowd celebrating outside the White House was a useful reminder of what a large number of people there are who think real life is like a First Person Shooter, or Hollywood blockbuster.

  74. Stephen says:

    Antinous your implicit assumption that he could have been captured alive and they chose not to, is ridiculous. It’s not a little ridiculous. It’s a lot ridiculous.

  75. rebdav says:

    Osama Bin Laden is dead, when does his alliance of undead American TSA, FBI, ATF, DEA, etc alphabet soup army of terror return to dust?

  76. Anonymous says:

    Invoking God to bless the US for killing a guy who invoked God to bless him for killing people is downright stupid, hypocritical, and twisted.

    All that said, I’m not upset the fuckers dead. Rich murderers deserve to die, no matter their religion or race. (Via Chuck Bailey IWW)

  77. Jesse M. says:

    For those who feel spiritually conflicted in celebrating a death, I like to think of it this way. To me it’s a good thing that he’s been “taken off the playing field” of this place and time, but if he continues to exist in some other realm–whether purgatory (I don’t accept that a good God could condemn anyone to eternal hell), or a bardo realm, or resurrected as a simulation by superintelligent A.I.s in a distant post-singularity future–then I hope some higher force will be able to get through to him and teach him something, change his opinion about mass murder being a cool thing to do. In the meantime though I think we are definitely better off without having him around…

  78. Not a Doktor says:

    Like so many others he has been survived by Abe Vigoda. Abe Vigoda will out live us all.

  79. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    toyg @240, sameatcha. I don’t get over here often enough.

    I’m pretty sure it’s been handled more formally than you fear. Some of the special forces guys’ videocams were being piped straight to the top of the org chart in Washington, DC. You’ve seen the photo of that roomful of top officials who are watching something unspecified? I strongly suspect that’s what they were watching when that photo was taken.

    Early reports about body disposal were prematurely dispositive. The latest one I’ve heard said that everyone was still dickering over what’s going to be done with the body, so I expect it’s still above the waterline. Saudi Arabia’s refused to have it. Some Muslim clerics are saying burial at sea is improper; others disagree. I don’t get the impression that anything is happening quickly.

    Antfarmer @241, the guy formally declared war on the United States years ago, and continued to wage war whenever possible thereafter, so I think it’s fair to say he was the one who decided to put himself outside the normal legal system. I believe he himself said he benefited from US aid to the Mujahedin during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. He’s also said quite a lot about his aims and ideology over the years. Finally, the special forces guys who took him out also collected his computer gear, and I’ve seen one source that called it a motherlode of intelligence information. I take it as an article of faith that the episode had objectionable features, but so far I haven’t seen many of them.

    Vnend @242, I’ve long been an admirer of the Evil Overlord lists. They assert reality. Besides, just because something’s funny doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

    CastanhasDoPara @245, if this doesn’t change anything or anybody, why should you fret about it, and why should we try to do anything differently? That won’t matter either.

    Handletag @246: That depends. Are we positing a scenario in which Mr. Blair or Mr. Bush has declared and pursued war with my country?

    • Handletag says:

      “Are we positing a scenario in which Mr. Blair or Mr. Bush has declared and pursued war with my country?”

      No, not positing any scenario, just sticking to the facts. You commented:

      That asshole committed wholesale murder on my fire department, my EMTs (they were classified as part of the FDNY) and other first reponders, and my neighbors and friends-of-friends. He left a huge hole in my city that’s still being repaired, and he gave political cover to some of the worst impulses in American political life. AND HE WAS PROUD OF DOING IT.

      You write as a New Yorker referring to bin Laden, but your words could equally well be those of a Baghdadi referring to Bush or Blair (with appropriate amplification of the number of holes and civilian deaths).

      So I’m curious: since you deem this justification for celebrating bin Laden’s murder, would you also deem it justification for celebrating the murder of Bush? If, for example, an Iraqi special forces team operating out of Mexico were to raid the Bush compound, shoot Laura, kill the secret service agents, shoot Bush dead in front of the twins, take some trophy pictures, and then heave Junior’s corpse out of a chopper over the Gulf of Mexico.

      Celebration? Or American exceptionalism?

    • CastanhasDoPara says:

      All I was saying was that for the most part people are going to keep doing what they have been doing. IE, terrorists bomb, hawks war, doves chatter…

      That is at least statistically true on a large (global) scale. Perhaps a few terrorists have been scared off the cause, perhaps a few peaceniks are secretly happy about the day’s outcome. Status quo as I see it.

      For me personally, I am opposed to violence as a moral matter. But hell even terrorism can be a moral matter as far as it may reduce overall violence. I’m of course opposed to terror, any rational person is but I think that if we’re serious about the question of terror and serious about the question of violence, we have to recognize that it is a tactical and hence moral matter. Incidentally, tactical issues are basically moral issues. They have to do with human consequences and if we’re interested in let’s say diminishing the amount of violence in the world, it’s at least arguable and perhaps even sometimes true that a terrorist act does diminish the amount of violence in the world. Hence a person who is opposed to violence will not be opposed to that terrorist act. All of this does matter as the real human consequences are concerned. And yes we should be concerned. I certainly am. Perhaps my previous post wasn’t clear enough. It’s not that I think none of this matters. It’s just that at a large enough scale this man’s death doesn’t really change anything. The real change will come when this battle about who is right and who is dead stops. Ultimately, we have to ask ourselves the question of whether we think all of this is really worth it. All facets of this equation have to eventually understand that it’s not about one man, or about one ideal. It’s about all of us and how we choose to act. And those actions will speak so much louder than our words, or our bombs.

  80. LKJH says:

    crazy foreshadowing
    “What was a low-flying heli doing flying around Abottabad Cantt at 0130 hrs?”
    http://twitter.com/#!/mosharrafzaidi

    See also
    “The incident took place around 1. am , and it is very unusual that helicopters were flying in this area in these late hours of night. According to the citizens of Abbottabad, there were two Army helicopters flying over the area in an unusual manner.”
    http://pakphilosophy.blogspot.com/2011/05/helicopter-crashed-in-abbotabad.html

  81. sixta says:

    I can maybe understand why they killed him instead of capture him.
    but then dumping the body in the sea is more than suspicious.

  82. Mr. Winka says:

    Ding dong! The witch is dead!
    We’re gonna need a new bad guy ’cause TSA security measures aren’t going to justify themselves.

    • Brother Phil says:

      Someone beat me to the Goldstein reference that was going to use, but have opined confidently that OBL was too useful “almost caught” for him to actually get it. Not going to shed a tear for him, but I will recall Gandalf’s words:

      (…) Now at any rate he is as bad as an Orc, and just an enemy. He deserves death.’
      ‘Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.’

      No doubt the hatemongers that like to call themselves “Islamic” will use this as an excuse to kill the innocent, and the hatemongers that like to call themselves “Christian” will use that as an excuse to kill more of them, and the powerful will use it all as an excuse to further invade the freedoms of the weak.

    • Victor Drath says:

      Shiiish! Stop grinding that axe, it’s getting late! ;)

    • wigg1es says:

      You mean they actually were justified at one point in time? When?

  83. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    CastanhasDoPara –

    “All I was saying was that for the most part people are going to keep doing what they have been doing.”

    True. There’s a tremendous inertia to the patterns of everyday life.

    …For me personally, I am opposed to violence as a moral matter. But hell even terrorism can be a moral matter as far as it may reduce overall violence. I’m of course opposed to terror, any rational person is but I think that if we’re serious about the question of terror and serious about the question of violence, we have to recognize that it is a tactical and hence moral matter. Incidentally, tactical issues are basically moral issues. They have to do with human consequences and if we’re interested in let’s say diminishing the amount of violence in the world, it’s at least arguable and perhaps even sometimes true that a terrorist act does diminish the amount of violence in the world. Hence a person who is opposed to violence will not be opposed to that terrorist act.”

    I’ll agree that tactics are a moral issue, but tactics are also about what works. The idea behind terrorism is that if you can scare people enough with small but well-publicized actions, that alone may be enough to achieve your aims. It’s theoretically possible, because it’s something that occasionally happens accidentally. For example, the Hindenberg disaster put everyone off lighter-than-air craft in general, when the real problem was that the Hindenberg was using hydrogen rather than helium. The difficulty lies in getting the thing to happen on command. The example in this case would be advertising firms which observe that internet memes that “go viral” are in theory the cheapest and most effective advertising ever seen. A few have succeeded in duplicating the effect, but most have not. It’s an art, not a science. Edward Bernays made PR work as no one else ever has, and Conversational Marketing makes most sense when John Battelle does it.

    Terrorism has exactly the same problem, plus a few additional ones. If a small cadre of insurrectionaries plus the relatively low body count generated by a few terrorist incidents could accomplish as much as a war, would that not be better? The first and most obvious objection is that if small groups and limited incidents could reliably accomplish such things, nations wouldn’t bother with full-scale wars, especially defensive ones they didn’t want in the first place. Our ancestors were no dumber or less inventive than we are.

    The fact is, terrorism almost never works as intended, as witness the peculiar German notion in WWI and WWII that resistance and insurgency can be suppressed by “making an example” of the inhabitants of the nearest village. Organizations like the Brigate Rosse/Red Brigades and the Sendero Luminoso just wind up being loathed by the target populations they’re supposedly influencing. In general, what terrorizing a population actually does is empower the most intransigent hardliners among them. (Institutional terrorism has a somewhat better success rate, probably because it uses debugged procedures and it’s not being handled by amateurs; but that’s not what you’re talking about.)

    In short, terrorism as a theory is pretty damn theoretical. In practice, it has a naturally low success rate. A highly intelligent, clairvoyant, or extraordinarily talented practitioner might make it work, once in a while. Trouble is, any idiot can decide to try it. The result is that it destroys the legitimacy of organizations that embrace it as a method of social change.

    I’ll go further and say that it’s good that terrorism doesn’t work. You’re thinking about this in terms of nations and large-scale causes. Think of it instead in terms of your local Tea Partiers, LaRoucheites, or weekend quasi-militias. If terrorism were an effective technique, any small group could use it.

    We must not assume that legitimate aims = legitimate tactics, because everyone thinks their aims are legitimate.

    All of this does matter as the real human consequences are concerned. And yes we should be concerned. I certainly am. Perhaps my previous post wasn’t clear enough. It’s not that I think none of this matters. It’s just that at a large enough scale this man’s death doesn’t really change anything.

    Nonsense. Everyone’s death changes things; and Osama bin Laden was more talented and effective than most.

    The real change will come when this battle about who is right and who is dead stops.

    Change will go on happening, whether or not that particular argument stops. You may find it clearer to think in terms of “desirable change” or “change for the better.” Real change is always happening.

    Ultimately, we have to ask ourselves the question of whether we think all of this is really worth it.

    Ultimately, we have to ask that question about everything we do.

    All facets of this equation have to eventually understand that it’s not about one man, or about one ideal. It’s about all of us and how we choose to act.

    If it’s about us and how we choose to act, then it’s also about others, and how they choose to act. If our actions matter, then so did Osama bin Laden’s actions, and so did stopping his actions. I’m sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.

  84. Anonymous says:

    Oh noes! Now the baddies will need another excuse to invade some more countries!

    Seriously, when you just remotely think that you’ve cornered a group defending what is believed to be the chief of the most dangerous terrorist group in the world, the absolute first directive for the soldiers must be “we want him alive!”.

    Remember what they did with Saddam? They told the world he had WMDs, then captured him and denied him any means to speak to the public, until eventually they executed him. Why? Because Saddam didn’t have WMDs and was put in power by the US to fight against Iran.

    This smells bullshit 100 miles away as well. The Bin Laden family had business links with the Bush family long before 9/11, but the general public shouldn’t be told that. What could have told him if he was kept alive and allowed to speak in public? Maybe that the US gave him money and weapons to fight against the former USSR when they invaded Afghanistan in the eighties?

  85. Mister44 says:

    Is this already an internet rule? If not I submit it:

    Internet Rule #44: No matter what the event/topic, someone will bitch and complain and use it as a chance to fire off their rhetoric.

    • Victor Drath says:

      What? We’re talking about osama! Stop dancing around and tell me how it affects you and me, and how this changes things for the better. Is it that I won’t have to live in constant fear of terror now, like we’ve been told we should do?

      And Jack? I’ll take being called a troll by you as a compliment. You need to learn a little more about your buddy, and not just what’s on the Nightly Snooze.

  86. social_maladroit says:

    Oh brother, you can already buy a t-shirt.

  87. Jack says:

    …and not just what’s on the Nightly Snooze.

    HAHAH! Nightly Snooze! You just made that up!!!

    Look, I will finish your goth rant: Lies!

  88. Anonymous says:

    The guy was a bastard, sure, but American’s are rocking out like this is a glorious victory over a mighty enemy. Killing nearly defunct old men 9 years too late for their successful asshole terrorist plot against the mighty USA has no honor in it, only an “it’s about time.”

  89. asuffield says:

    This all makes me feel very uncomfortable. We’ve got public celebrations of violent slaughter, innocent civilians dead in the process, and there was never any evidence of his guilt established. The US just declared him to be the target a few years ago and started shooting their way across a continent – but there was no trial, and no proof that it was this man responsible rather than the next one in line. This is not justice.

    What I really don’t understand here is how this makes us any better than the other side. If anything, there’s more evidence for the atrocities committed in our names, and even less hope of justice for the victims.

    • nixiebunny says:

      Feel free to substitute “revenge” for “justice”.

    • Jack says:

      …there was never any evidence of his guilt established.

      You’re kidding right? He admitted guilt, has defied capture, has never asserted “innocence” that you imply and generally is the undisputed mastermind of the 9-11 attacks as well as others.

  90. Mr. Winka says:

    To those who think we should have taken OBL alive, I would like to suggest a very satisfying alternative. Reanimate his corpse, then kill him again. You’re welcome!

    BTW, the story of OBL’s death occurring today is probably fake since it came from the Ministry of Truth.

  91. jimh says:

    That’s why you never get out of the cave…

  92. Hagrid says:

    I suspect the CIA has had his body on ice since AT LEAST Tora Bora.

  93. LKJH says:

    another thought…how will terror cells/networks respond to this? Will our “jubilation” help mobilize them?
    http://www.kboi2.com/news/national/121068574.html

    If I remember correctly, Americans didn’t take to well to similar reactions 10 yrs ago.

    oblig. wiki
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Palestinian_celebrations

    good ol Fox
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34187,00.html

    part 2
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34346,00.html

  94. antfarmer says:

    How was it that they decided in advance to kill and reject any effort to capture OBL? Two guards, a woman, OBL’s son, maybe a couple others against a well funded Navy Seals group. Was death a necessity to avoid a trial? Was it a political necessity to increase the chance of re-election? It seems that the decision should have been left to the armed Navy Seals. I’m guessing that OBL, with kidney disease and not many opportunities to get out and exercise probably could have been subdued with a shot to the kneecap, even if he was armed. But apparently someone decided that keeping him alive for interrogation was not as valuable as snuffing him immediately. As a taxpayer, I’d rather get my money’s worth, my portion of the trillions spent on 3 wars, Afghani roads to no-where, Halliburton kick backs etc. I’d rather he was kept alive long enough to ask him what he was actually involved with (or at least to hear his responses), if he really had anything to do with the planning of 9-11, and to find out if he is nuts or if he had some ideology that was worth dissecting. But a dead Osama can’t tell us if he was funded by the US when we were bankrolling some “freedom fighters” when the Soviets occupied Afghanistan. Dead Osama can’t tell us if attacking the towers was an act of anti-semitism or anti-capitalism or revenge for Bush #1′s troops in ‘holy land’ during the Kuwait episode. Dead Osama can’t give us the satisfaction of keeping him in detention for many years of boredom and the chance to let his admirers see him as a pathetic, weakened son of a billionaire. I’d rather see him imprisoned as a cipher than glorified as a martyr.
    The necessity to kill him when he could have been captured instead just smells funny, and it smells more of politics and avoiding embarrassment than it smells of simple revenge.

    • Vnend says:

      (#237 posted at 12:40, when I am replying)

      “Why was it decided to kill him rather than capture him?”

      Evil Overlord rule #4: Shooting is not too good for my enemies.

      Also #6, 7 and 13.

      #10, sad to say, the US Government has already learned.

      http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

      (If anyone is offended by my reference to a humorous list in answering on here, please note the comedy inherent in a disturbingly large number of the preceding posts.)

      Benchscientist’s comment #50 is still the best expression of my thoughts on the matter. My wife caught something on the radio earlier today where an interviewer was asking representatives of various faiths if was appropriate to celebrate the death of an enemy. Their sample rabbi said, no, definitely not. The Muslim cleric used the same Twain quote as Benchscientist.

      • CastanhasDoPara says:

        And don’t forget evil overlord rule #38. That ought to show them who is boss.

      • Vnend says:

        (Yes, I am replying to myself…)

        It turns out that a whole SATA-drive-load of people have been passing around the quote from #50. It also turns out that it is really hard to find where Twain actually said it.

        It took a little digging, but I found the following pairing, posted back in 2006, that might explain where it came from:

        http://www.estatevaults.com/lm/archives/quotations/

        August 16, 2006

        TWAIN AND DARROW
        Clarence Darrow
        I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.

        Mark Twain
        I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.


        Posted by Jill Fallon at 2:21 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack

        The formatting of the page lends itself to attributing the Darrow quote to Twain if you are reading it quickly.

        Both are good quotes that express similar emotions.

  95. DocMartin76 says:

    The ramifications of how a swing in moral of not only the President and other law makers, but the public in general are impossible to factor into any long term assesment of changes in fiscal or social policy. I do think that president Obama did an outstanding job of siezing the moment and taking out a man that was as evil as they come. Drath, I have already read several forums tonight of heavily conservative commenters thinking this is all some conspiracy, and Osama was really killed back in ’02. I guarantee that Obama will be able to ride the positive energy of this through the 2012 election as the best candidate for any other party so far is Trump. Which is just sad.

    • Mister44 says:

      re: “I guarantee that Obama will be able to ride the positive energy of this through the 2012 election”

      It really is too far out for this to affect the election too much. People’s memories are short, and this will probably boost what are otherwise dismal approval numbers, but only for the short term.

      But really – he didn’t DO anything, other than the right and obvious stamp of “OK”. Presidents get a lot of blame and a lot of credit they don’t really deserve. It’s the price of being The Man.

      Still, if all the Republicans can muster are a bunch of douche bags, we will probably have to keep eating our turd sammich.

      If Trump runs, I expect millions of dollars will go to his campaign from whoever owns Comedy Central as well as any comedy guilds and individual comics. The man will be a gold mine of material every day.

      • Onecos says:

        re: “…too far out…to affect the election…memories are short…boost…dismal approval numbers…he didn’t DO anything…stamp of “OK”…if all the Republicans can muster are a bunch of douche bags, we will probably have to keep eating our turd sammich.”

        You’re a wise man Mister44. A lone voice in the wilderness. I agree completely. Now if the Republicans can find a viable candidate… At this point, I don’t know. Some of the douche bags are doing more harm than good.

  96. teapot says:

    Jack, Snig…. really?

    Call me crazy, but I’d say a bar is a better place to celebrate stuff than….. on the grass next to a road.

    Different strokes, I suppose.

    • Snig says:

      Teapot:
      really. The local drug is politics more than alcohol. I’m not the rah-rah type, but DC is the center of the universe for the rah-rah go USA sort. The White House is one of the major centers for that. You do know one of the planes hit the Pentagon? And that the one that went down in Pa was headed to DC?

    • Jack says:

      Dollar to donuts I bet a lot of “Obama Got Osama” babies are being conceived tonight.

  97. Anonymous says:

    And here’s the best comedy rap video about this yet: http://youtu.be/xxTWoPlsGCw?hd=1

  98. KDJ says:

    Reposting my favourite comment on the BBC:

    Haron in Lahore, writes: “I think we all need to ask ourselves if this is the beginning of the end or the end. Osama was not an individual, he was a mindset. I am surprised that the whole world just refuses to recognize that he was just one of the many manifestations of inequality, injustice and insanity that still prevails. We in Pakistan have a far greater insight into the war against terrorism to make jubilations and take the simplistic view that with OBL eliminated, our lives, streets and country is safe.”

    All this celebrating and flag waving seems so premature and naïve.

    • Mister44 says:

      re: “All this celebrating and flag waving seems so premature and naïve.”

      It’s a goal and a milestone reached. Are we any safer? Probably not – but I don’t think we haven been in that much danger over all.

      BUT – this has a huge effect on the psyche of people. It reminds me of the Doolittle raids. They didn’t DO a lot of actual damage, like Pearl Harbor, but it showed our teeth and their vulnerable belly.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

      HOPEFULLY this will be leveraged to loosen some of the insanity with the TSA. Every time someone wants a new gov. program I point out the DMV and the TSA. These are the people who will be running it.

  99. CastanhasDoPara says:

    “If it’s about us and how we choose to act, then it’s also about others, and how they choose to act. If our actions matter, then so did Osama bin Laden’s actions, and so did stopping his actions. I’m sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.”

    I actually said “it’s about ALL of us” not it’s about US(as in the United States). As I consider myself more of a citizen of the world than any specific predefined geopolitical fantasy I was meaning that every warm body on this planet with a few brain cells to rub together should know that their actions define them more than their weak words. Terrorist or exceptionalist alike should know that what they do has real consequences. And in a specific sense the US in its role as global police should at least consider the sensitive nature of the actions it takes. I’m not saying OBL wasn’t a monster and didn’t deserve what he got but he probably at one point considered that the mission he set for himself might just have bad consequences. I don’t think the US govt has been thinking about the long road for quite some time now. And if they have been then it seems that they certainly don’t care about those possible bad consequences.

    War and terrorism seem to amplify themselves rather than diminish themselves over time, despite as you say “that terrorism doesn’t work.” Incidentally, neither does war, or revenge killing for that matter. It just leads to more of the same. It’s a classic feud. And usually feuds don’t end until one or both sides are completely dead. Also, over enough time, say a generation or two(sometimes less), the participants in a feud forget what it was they were feuding about and just fight because that is what they have always done. Or “them, damn Hatfields, MAN I HATE THOSE %#&$#&$!!” “Why?” “I don’t know I just do.” See the problem there?

    “Change will go on happening, whether or not that particular argument stops. You may find it clearer to think in terms of “desirable change” or “change for the better.” Real change is always happening. ”

    Good point. Every thing that changes is real, what I want is indeed change for the better. Stance appropriately modified. Thanks for the clarification.

    “Handletag, there’s an argument you want to have. The fact that some of my remarks bear a superficial resemblance to the thing you want to argue with does not oblige me to adopt the entirety of that argument as my own, or to read through your script with you.”

    Coming back to the citizen of where idea. For you as a citizen of NYC with that admittedly horrible scar on it, I suppose I can understand a little how you can be so myopic about all of this. But you are still being myopic. The whole “we are right because we are inherently good” argument you seem to be making went out the window the day Bush and Co started an illegal and unfounded war in a place (Iraq) that had so little to do with finding OBL that the US might as well have bombed Boston on the premise that that is where the planes originated from. Or Miami or Boeing’s plants, or any other arbitrary hop along the way. Actually now that I think about it, bombing Iraq back into the stone age for the second time had so little connection (that is no connection) to OBL and Al-Queda that bombing just about anywhere would have been just as effective. The effect the US was after was essentially proving to the world that the US is still a violent and unstable juggernaut that is willing to rock and roll at the drop of a hat. It’s the tactics of a school yard bully, or dare I say… terrorists.

    I just want to ask one thing. Can you at least understand how the people on the ground seeing US military hardware grinding their country, land, and families into fine dust might just harbor the same type of anger, fear and support for revenge that you and many other USians have about 911? Can you see that the longer this sort of crap goes on the more it will be about just hating the other side and not really understanding what started all of this in the first place? Hint, it wasn’t 911.

  100. asuffield says:

    He admitted guilt

    For what? Where? Are you suggesting that his broadcast about the Bush/Kerry election, where he claimed credit for the WTC bombing and that there would be “more of the same”, was anything more than political flimflammery? (Hint: where are the repeated attacks? If half the sentence was a lie, why would you believe the other half?)

    has defied capture

    Apparently with good reason, since “capture” doesn’t seem to have been on offer. Running away from people who are trying to shoot you is not a crime, it’s evidence of sanity.

    has never asserted “innocence” that you imply

    So you’re saying he never said the following?

    http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikileaks_obtains_10_years_of_messages,_interviews_from_Osama_bin_Laden_translated_by_CIA

    and generally is the undisputed mastermind of the 9-11 attacks as well as others

    Uh. No. The mastermind of those attacks, according to the US government, is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed – who was arrested for them in 2003, and is still in Gitmo being illegally held without trial. There is some evidence that bin Laden knew about them and approved of them, but that’s hardly the same thing.

    This is exactly why we need trials.

    • Uncle Eric B says:

      Bravo, asuffield! It bothers me how readily we turn from a rule of law to a rule of personality (i.e. I don’t like him so it is okay to kill him without the protections we expect for ourselves.)

      Enough from me. Back to studying for the July Bar.

  101. tw15 says:

    From Twitter:

    Saturday – Prince William leaves for a ‘secret location’ in a chopper. Monday – Osama is dead. #justsayin

  102. Michael Smith says:

    By the sound of it the US blew his courier line last year and traced it back to an address close to the compound there bin Laden was living.

  103. Anonymous says:

    If you guys think that we could have taken OBL alive, to a military prison/Gitmo, and not have him assassinated on the way, you’re out of your minds. Too many people along the way would have the motive and opportunity.
    Now, can we leave Afghanistan, please?

  104. Kieran O'Neill says:

    I think this just saddens me — not for the man himself, but that I find the idea of celebrating any person’s death quite distasteful.

    The “recovered his body” bit is particularly ghoulish, calling to mind Southern lynchings. I wonder what they will do with it? I wonder if any of the numerous guards in whose custody it will be will take trophies…

    On the other hand, I can only imagine what it would be like had they captured him alive.

  105. ryhntyntyn says:

    Even if or when a killing was nessecery, there shouldn’t be joy in it. Why fight evil if we become evil in doing so?

  106. LX says:

    I just don’t get you americans. Killing someone who allegedly was involved in terrorism is justice for you? And you don’t even ask for evidence (both on the fact whether he was really involved and was really killed)?

    Regards, LX

    • Cruftbox says:

      Are you really this dumb or just being a contrarian?

      Osama bin Laden made multiple videos and recordings taking credit for terrorist asked. There is no question in anyone’s mind that was involved.

      Perhaps you are simply a conspiracy nut that believes nothing that you can’t physically touch or see, in which case, go be stupid elsewhere.

      • Hagrid says:

        Actually, I’m an American, and I am not convinced that those OBL videos and recordings you mention weren’t faked. By al-Qaeda. Or the CIA. Or any one of the other parties who would benefit from the charade of keeping him alive all these years. He hasn’t been seen in public for a very long time.

        The American Sheeple need a boogeyman to keep feeding money into the war machines.

        • Anonymous says:

          “The American Sheeple need a boogeyman to keep feeding money into the war machines.”

          And now that this has transpired we are now told that we will need to be extra vigilant. The new boogeyman is the unknown unknown of terrorist freelancers. I.e. everyone is the new (potential) threat. This of course is the totalitarian dream scenario.

      • LX says:

        I am neither dump nor contrarian or into conspiracies, just not american. The only video of alleged Osama bin Laden in which he took credit/blame for 9/11 was such a bad forgery that they even forgot his lefthandedness.

        That “there’s no question in anyone’s mind” is just the best reason I can think of to ask questions – and they are always annoying questions to those who prefer to live in their own imagination of the world parted into us (good) and them (bad). That’s just sick.

        Regards, LX

    • Cowicide says:

      Umm, I’m proud to be the first here to ask… why the FUCK was his body BURIED AT SEA?

      WTF?? Even if it is religious… fuck doing that right now!! I hope this isn’t true. Because if they did do this… my god…

      • trondmm says:

        Umm, I’m proud to be the first here to ask… why the FUCK was his body BURIED AT SEA?

        A grave could easily become a point of pilgrimage for islam extremists, and a burial at sea fixes that problem quite elegantly.

        I agree, though, that not having a body to parade around, not even a head to put on a stake on the White House lawn, does invite conspiracy theory nuts to make up all kinds exciting fairy tales. Heck, I can even start one right now: “He’s not dead. They caught him alive, transferred him to Gitmo, and intend to torture him every day for the remainder of his life”

        • peterbruells says:

          Wouldn’t a pilgrimage to a human’s grave be against the teachings of Islam?

          And if they go there, let them. It’s a great way to get photographs of possible terrorists.

          • adamnvillani says:

            Wouldn’t a pilgrimage to a human’s grave be against the teachings of Islam?

            Terrorists who kill innocent people in an insane death cult perversion of a religion aren’t distinguished by their piety, they’re distinguished by their violence.

          • peterbruells says:

            Absolutely. But if they bury him in his home country, Saudi Arabia, the Wahhabis would have taken care of that. I mean, they bulldozed the grave of Muhammad’s mother, didn’t they?

          • SamSam says:

            Wouldn’t a pilgrimage to a human’s grave be against the teachings of Islam?

            It might technically, but that doesn’t stop Muslims from creating graves for saints and venerating them.

            When I was working in Tunisia, there were many such “saint’s graves,” typically descendants of Muhammad. I never saw anyone go and pray in them, but they were well-kept, and seemed like places people found holy.

            I think it’s much like the idea that Catholics aren’t supposed to worship saints either, and yet you should see the way people pray and cry to statues of the Virgin Mary, stuff offerings and money under the statues, and pray to Mary or other saints to cure their ills. The Catholic Church accepts this by saying people are “venerating” the saints, not “worshiping” them, but it still occasionally cracks down on the worst of it.

        • Anonymous says:

          **I agree, though, that not having a body to parade around, not even a head to put on a stake on the White House lawn, does invite conspiracy theory nuts to make up all kinds exciting fairy tales.**

          Buried within 24 hours, according to Muslim custom.

          Buried at sea to avoid creating a ‘holy’ site for violent extremists.

          Lack of a body fuels conspiracy theories, makes Obama’s political opponents look like nutters.

          Win. Win. Win.

    • pmhparis says:

      OBL only “allegedly” guilty? His own admissions on video are insufficient I see. I suppose that a US court wouldn’t be good enough for you either given that so many americans wanted him dead after he crowed out on video that he inspired & financed the 9/11 hijackers.

      No I suppose that the only court that would be acceptable to you is your own or maybe that quagmire in the Hague.

      The rest of us who have read transcripts of the tapes condemned him long ago. The Saudi’s stripped him of his citizenship. The Pakistani government denied he was in Pakistan & when it turned out he was, US troops went in to get him (funny that I have heard no reaction by the Pakistani gov on this point). Good riddance.

      • Wally Ballou says:

        The Pakistani government denied he was in Pakistan & when it turned out he was, US troops went in to get him

        It would be nice to get some serious factfinding here about how OBL was able to live in comfort in the heart of Pakistan.

        We’ve been scammed by the Pakistanis and Saudis for decades, the “war on terror” is the first war in our history where we are funding both sides.

        • nixiebunny says:

          This isn’t the first war where we’re funding both sides, and it won’t be the last.

          The folks who make money on war have it easier if they can create one where they make all the weapons; it doubles the profit.

      • LX says:

        Have you seen the video? The man on it is an actor, not bin Laden.

        Regards, LX

  107. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    Cowicide @183: Peace, peace. Burial at sea was the family’s decision. Muslim practice allows it when a conventional burial might generate undesirable epiphenomena.

    Anon @185: Nice try, but I’ll continue to argue on my grounds, not yours. I don’t respect what you’ve posted so far, and you can’t be bothered to use a name, so you don’t rate the effort.

    LX @191: Right. You can tell from the pixels.

    ThinkCritically @203: “Critical thinking” does not mean “reflexively argue with everything while making wild suppositions.” OBL has not been dead for years. Burying him at sea was his family’s idea, not ours. The TLA agencies couldn’t have generated CGI versions of his videos that would pass muster with everyone else in the world. And as for invading Pakistan, we want to do that about as much as we’d want to drop-kick a wasp nest.

    You don’t like lies? Learn to find and assess facts.

    SamSam @215, if you can understand that Muslims venerate graves, you’re surely capable of understanding that Catholics venerate rather than worship saints.

    Antinous, may I flag BlackPanda @218? That’s pure bigoted hate speech. It’s also completely off topic.

    Tdawwg @234: Hi, Tdawwg!

    • Handletag says:

      OK, not anon this time.

      Would you be equally supportive should we one day see Iraqis celebrating the hit-squad murders of Bush and Blair?

    • Cowicide says:

      Peace, peace. Burial at sea was the family’s decision. Muslim practice allows it when a conventional burial might generate undesirable epiphenomena.

      I don’t have an issue with the burial at sea. My issue was with how fast they permanently disposed of the body without allowing for third party verification.

      I don’t think there’s a coverup, but by disposing the body in such a way so quickly, it simply fosters more distracting conspiracy theories. And, I’ve been proven correct about this in the meantime.

      Why fan the distracting flames? Oh well…

    • toyg says:

      Burial at sea was the family’s decision.

      TNH, I do love you, but I’m sure you understand how ridiculous this looks. The almighty SEALs raid a compound in what is basically deep enemy territory, they capture and/or maim and/or shoot Public Enemy N.1, then get back to their ship with the body, celebrating like wild animals… and then somebody calls “his next of kin” to ask how’d they like to dispose of the body, like he was some random American killed in a car accident? And nobody thought of taking a couple of pics for news channels?

      I don’t doubt all of this is true. It’s so unbelievably stupid, it can only be the truth.

  108. shiva7663 says:

    Has the government of Pakistan reacted yet?

  109. The Mudshark says:

    Now THIS changes everything. Crisis averted. That was a close one.

  110. Anonymous says:

    The image of the dead Bin Laden is a real photoshop disaster!

  111. Anonymous says:

    I hope that people in USA will show some restraint and not make this a reason for excessive celebration, but for contemplation. You got your revenge, now you can put that aside and start acting like you’re not bloodthirsty madmen.

    Although fanatic and causing much terror, grief and death, Osama bin Laden is not just a bad guy. As usual the world is more complex then as told by US media. He is a hero to many people around the world and he have done a lot of good for the poor and defenceless. How else do people in USA think that he could get as many and loyal followers as he did (of course, many people joined him to get revenge for deeds similar to 9/11, caused by USA, Israel and other targets of al-Qaeda). Bill Gates is not the person who have given most money to charity (aside from the fact that most money is still in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and have not actually been given to anybody, yet(?)), Osama bin Laden is.

    Consider how you US Americans would feel if billions of people celebrated that Bush Sr or Bush Jr had been shot down like dogs. Two US Presidents that each one have not just caused more terror and death among civilians then Osama bin Laden have, but even caused more terror and death among civilians then Adolf Hitler ever managed.

    The parts of the world that had been terrorised by Ronald Reagan (another one of those “worse then Hitler” US presidents), didn’t indulge in excessive celebrations when he died (even the Iranian government showed good manners). I hope that US Americans can show the same good judgement and restraint.

  112. Anonymous says:

    I thought it was pretty common knowledge that OBL had nothing to do with the September eleventh attacks except as scapegoat…

  113. T Nielsen Hayden says:

    Handletag, there’s an argument you want to have. The fact that some of my remarks bear a superficial resemblance to the thing you want to argue with does not oblige me to adopt the entirety of that argument as my own, or to read through your script with you.

    LX, that’s really pathetic.

  114. toyg says:

    It is indeed a shame that he wasn’t captured alive, he could have produced some sensational intelligence. And the body was “buried at sea” — WTF? They really try hard to help the conspiracy nutters!

    Somehow, I don’t believe for a minute that this will result in the end of security theatre at airports. The British Foreign Minister has already told embassies to strengthen their security procedures because they fear a backlash. Believe it or not, a lot of people thought Osama was a hero and will now look for revenge.

  115. Anonymous says:

    i dont know about all this it is possible and strange becouse after 10 years osama was found he was hidding very well and now so simple shooting dead

  116. jasonq says:

    News is now reporting OBL is RIP.

  117. Kosmoid says:

    Dang, Celebutard Apprentice is upstaged.

  118. nixiebunny says:

    Does this mean that we can stop this insane “war on terror” already?

  119. Antinous / Moderator says:

    If this turns out to be another one of Pam Ewing’s dreams, America won’t be so forgiving this time.

  120. lovelystrangeness says:

    Well hey, now all we need are those darn WMDs and we can finally declare victory.

  121. slk says:

    sure they did…

  122. Zoman says:

    Craigslist > personals > strictly platonic:

    Wanted – new boogeyman to frighten the sheep. Million dollar “secret hideout” to be supplied.

    Regards Obama

    * Location: Washington, D.C.
    * It’s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

  123. Anonymous says:

    best weekend ever for Obama

  124. AGC says:

    Wars typically last about 30 years. We are now 1/3 through the war in Afghanistan and 2/3 done in Iraq.

  125. waltbosz says:

    This is so surreal.

  126. Anonymous says:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2n

    Pressy is on in 15 mins apparently.

  127. wigg1es says:

    If only this actually meant anything…

  128. nixiebunny says:

    I need to see a long-form death certificate before I’ll believe this. Or Obama drinking from a cup made form his skull.

    (Thanks, facebook friends with rapier wits.)

  129. Pip_R_Lagenta says:

    This had “hoax” written all over it… and then I turned on the T.V. Well, it had been a hoax every OTHER time this had been announced. Jeez! Get off my back.

  130. robulus says:

    “Bin Laden, born 1957, founded the al-Qaeda jihadist group and orchestrated terrorist operations including the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, D.C.”

    Ohhhhhh, that Osama Bin Laden.

  131. Stefan Jones says:

    Good riddance.

    The native New Yorker in me wants to see his ashes dumped in a hog manure lagoon.

    But I’d be totally satisfied with this being used as an excuse to exit Afghanistan Real Soon.

  132. Anonymous says:

    I hate to be “that guy” but…
    At what point did it become OK to say “so and so dead” instead of “so and so reported dead” or some similar phraseology? where’s the proof that he’s been killed?

  133. Anonymous says:

    Wow, this is big news. If this were fake, they’d have done it closer to an election :) The search for bin laden has taken up almost half of my life! This feels so strange.

  134. bklynchris says:

    Thank you so much for putting this up. The internetz is clogged. The download time for CNN.com and NYT.com are, well I don’t know what they are I couldn’t wait.

    I guess I could turn on the TV.

  135. Anonymous says:

    Which osama bin laden?

  136. Anonymous says:

    Lets all enjoy this Pyrrhic victory.

  137. artiefx0 says:

    Word is, he was living in a luxury villa outside of Islamabad. Wow.

    Wonder why the speech had been delayed…

  138. ziggo says:

    Headline on Fox News:

    “Bush kills OBL, the Kenyan claims credit”

  139. floraldeoderant says:

    Let’s all watch the pool of 2012 Republican presidential candidates fall over themselves to rescind their ‘running’ status. Obama just became invincible.

    • artiefx0 says:

      Unless the Pakistanis did it. That might actually be mildly embarrassing.

      • floraldeoderant says:

        @artiefx0 lol trudat

        @Donald Petersen But this is a bigger catharsis than anything GHW had. Which is a bigger thrill: watching the single-season villain lose [ANY GIVEN TV SHOW] or watching the villain from season 1 return in season 9? Same thing.

        Though, you’re right. Economy is the only way for anyone to gain any degree of traction anymore. The hill they have to fight their way up just became way steeper.

    • Donald Petersen says:

      Obama just became invincible.

      Nah. G.H.W. Bush was still doing pretty well post-Gulf War around this point in his term.

      It’ll be back to the economy before you know it.

  140. elix says:

    Hello from a Canadian. Stop your trolling; it’s unbecoming.

  141. Anonymous says:

    beep1o- In Mexico, they call themselves American.

    They would call you a Norteamericano- North American.

    We share the name with two of the seven continents. It isn’t exclusive.

  142. elix says:

    The proper demonym for a person from the United States is not “American.” The fact that over here conventional usage is to call people in the USA Americans reflects an arrogance that also hints at manifest destiny.

    Debasing someone’s opinion because they don’t use conventional and incorrect usage is a logical fallacy.

  143. Anonymous says:

    Yes it is. By time, tradition, common speech, and the fact that a) it doesn’t conflict with any other country’s and b) anything else sounds damn stupid.

    It may just be a consequence of history, but it is what it is and I’m not sure what anyone stands to gain by disputing it at this late juncture.

  144. flosofl says:

    The fact that over here conventional usage is to call people in the USA Americans reflects an arrogance that also hints at manifest destiny.

    Er, what? I always took it to be shorthand. United States of America-> America -> American.

    But, since obviously your seeing the Imperialism Boogeyman behind everything we do and say, use whatever you want you British Commonwealth Canadian (I find the use of Canadian indicative of your hockey and mosquito hegemony)

  145. Vnend says:

    The editors of the OED do not agree with you.

    American, n. and adj., section B.2.a.

  146. Jack says:

    Seriously, if Bush/Cheney actually went into Afghanistan instead of Iraq they could genuinely claim glory. Instead Bush/Cheney went to Iraq for reasons that still make no sense and wasted time, money and resources.

    That is a valid criticism. MISSION ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED!

  147. elix says:

    If beep1o can make wild ethnocentric accusations and trolling, so can I. :P Besides, I’m on the west coast. We’ve got the rain and hipster hegemony all locked up, but not quite the mosquitos; that’s northern Ontario and so on.

    In a slightly more serious note, the USA doesn’t always win a lot of friends by being Globo Cop, and it does occasionally smack of imperialism. Not exactly the same as classic imperialism, but it’s very reminiscient.

    Plus, up until around the end of World War 2, Canada had plans drawn up for a potential land invasion of the US. The US likewise had invasion plans for Canada. Canada scrapped its plan. I’ve never heard of anything but a refusal to discuss the matter by the US (implying they may still have plans). I’m willing to bet that I could find a non-trivial percentage of the population who thought that maintaining an invasion plan of Canada in this day is both appropriate and necessary.

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