Comments on: Mozilla tells DHS: we won't help you censor the Internet http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 19 May 2013 21:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: querent http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102592 querent Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102592 Contrast this to the way Amazon and PayPal handled the wikileaks fiasco. Go Mozilla. Contrast this to the way Amazon and PayPal handled the wikileaks fiasco.

Go Mozilla.

]]> By: Joe http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102593 Joe Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102593 It's too bad that BoingBoing didn't include the very next line from the link: <i>Interestingly enough, Mozilla never heard from ICE again.</i> In other words, after getting the pushback from Mozilla, ICE has not taken any followup action yet. It’s too bad that BoingBoing didn’t include the very next line from the link:

Interestingly enough, Mozilla never heard from ICE again.

In other words, after getting the pushback from Mozilla, ICE has not taken any followup action yet.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1103629 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1103629 Canada finally has a gropu "openmedia.ca" that is fighting for this very thing. Maybe the US can leanr some good tactics. We got a ton of big companies to not increaseing pricing for the last 8-6 months. Unfortunatlye seems like it is coming in June-Junly :( Canada finally has a gropu “openmedia.ca” that is fighting for this very thing. Maybe the US can leanr some good tactics. We got a ton of big companies to not increaseing pricing for the last 8-6 months. Unfortunatlye seems like it is coming in June-Junly :(

]]> By: trai_dep http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1104704 trai_dep Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1104704 I'd like to see Mozilla's response (perhaps worth reposting as it's own entry on boingboing) become the boilerplate for anyone getting an IP-related takedown notice. It's quite brilliant on its own, asking fair questions. It also involves a <b>shit-ton</b> of work from the authorities, making these casual takedown notices a LOT more expensive to administrate. Maybe Mozilla can release it in the public domain, with accreditation? Simply awesome of Mozilla. I'm heartily applauding. I’d like to see Mozilla’s response (perhaps worth reposting as it’s own entry on boingboing) become the boilerplate for anyone getting an IP-related takedown notice. It’s quite brilliant on its own, asking fair questions. It also involves a shit-ton of work from the authorities, making these casual takedown notices a LOT more expensive to administrate.
Maybe Mozilla can release it in the public domain, with accreditation?

Simply awesome of Mozilla. I’m heartily applauding.

]]> By: egoVirus http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102663 egoVirus Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102663 Legislation will never keep pace with internet developments. This is a stupid fight started by fat old rich a-holes who need new gold plated Rolls Royce's that run off burning poor people... Still, the day will come when I tell my grand kids about how free and open the internet was at first, and they will respond by rolling their eyes, popping their anti-depressant food allergy pills, and slipping off to nano-connective dispatches of kitten videos brought to you by New New Cokeâ„¢. Legislation will never keep pace with internet developments. This is a stupid fight started by fat old rich a-holes who need new gold plated Rolls Royce’s that run off burning poor people… Still, the day will come when I tell my grand kids about how free and open the internet was at first, and they will respond by rolling their eyes, popping their anti-depressant food allergy pills, and slipping off to nano-connective dispatches of kitten videos brought to you by New New Cokeâ„¢.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1104456 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1104456 This is the correct answer. This is so incredible ballsy. Kudos to Mozilla (and their legal team!) for digging their heels. I wouldn't have minded being a fly on the wall when they received the request. I imagine a lot of fists hammering desks. As users and citizens, what can we do to encourage more organizations and companies to follow this example? It seems rare these days to hear good news like this, like at least SOMEONE is on my side. I want to help! This is the correct answer.

This is so incredible ballsy. Kudos to Mozilla (and their legal team!) for digging their heels. I wouldn’t have minded being a fly on the wall when they received the request. I imagine a lot of fists hammering desks.

As users and citizens, what can we do to encourage more organizations and companies to follow this example? It seems rare these days to hear good news like this, like at least SOMEONE is on my side. I want to help!

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102669 teapot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102669 <i>Contrast this to the way Amazon and PayPal handled the wikileaks fiasco.</i> Absolutely. That's the main reason I haven't used either service since. I suspect I will eventually cave when there is something I absolutely need, but I will only ever do so at pains. In contrast, I am frequently reminded of reasons why Mozilla rules. They always support creative development which adds new functionality to the web, thereby making your PC more powerful.... for free. Addons which I use on a near-daily basis: <a href="http://fireftp.mozdev.org/">Fire FTP</a> <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/">Video DownloadHelper</a> <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/sr/firefox/addon/mediaplayerconnectivity/">MediaPlayer Connectivity</a> Go Mozilla, indeed! Contrast this to the way Amazon and PayPal handled the wikileaks fiasco.

Absolutely. That’s the main reason I haven’t used either service since. I suspect I will eventually cave when there is something I absolutely need, but I will only ever do so at pains.

In contrast, I am frequently reminded of reasons why Mozilla rules. They always support creative development which adds new functionality to the web, thereby making your PC more powerful…. for free.

Addons which I use on a near-daily basis:
Fire FTP
Video DownloadHelper
MediaPlayer Connectivity

Go Mozilla, indeed!

]]> By: AnthonyC http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1105247 AnthonyC Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1105247 The more you tighten your grip, the more computer systems will slip through your fingers. :-) The more you tighten your grip, the more computer systems will slip through your fingers.

:-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1103713 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1103713 It should be obvious by now that the DHS and ICE were never about keeping US citizens safe. They were always about protecting the profits of anational corporations that own our politicians. The ICE charter says they're supposed to enforce immigration and customs law but they never bust McDonalds or Walmart. Hepatitis in your food? ICE doesn't care. Poison in your baby formula? ICE doesn't care. What's that? Some girl downloaded a Justin Bieber song? Get a SWAT Team together quick! The federal government has devolved into nothing more than an organized crime protection racket replete with extortion and hit squads. It should be obvious by now that the DHS and ICE were never about keeping US citizens safe. They were always about protecting the profits of anational corporations that own our politicians.

The ICE charter says they’re supposed to enforce immigration and customs law but they never bust McDonalds or Walmart. Hepatitis in your food? ICE doesn’t care. Poison in your baby formula? ICE doesn’t care. What’s that? Some girl downloaded a Justin Bieber song? Get a SWAT Team together quick!

The federal government has devolved into nothing more than an organized crime protection racket replete with extortion and hit squads.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102700 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102700 "In other news today, China's Department of Homeland Security demanded that Mozilla censor the Internet..." Yeah, it's exactly like that. “In other news today, China’s Department of Homeland Security demanded that Mozilla censor the Internet…”

Yeah, it’s exactly like that.

]]> By: pyalot http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102965 pyalot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102965 By now they just make it up as they go. Don't they (MAFIAA, ICE, DHS etc. pp.) notice that this whole "internet thing" is slipping between their cold dead fingers of control faster then then they can blink? But please, by all means dear MAFIAA keep pushing, bullying and harassing the internet infrastructure as hard as you can. Nothing drives the development and deployment of a splendid decentralized attack resistant architecture as much as an actual attack. So please, with sugar on top, keep it up, and soon'll not even discuss these "issues" anymore because by that time anybody'll be utterly helpless to censor anything on the net. By now they just make it up as they go. Don’t they (MAFIAA, ICE, DHS etc. pp.) notice that this whole “internet thing” is slipping between their cold dead fingers of control faster then then they can blink?

But please, by all means dear MAFIAA keep pushing, bullying and harassing the internet infrastructure as hard as you can. Nothing drives the development and deployment of a splendid decentralized attack resistant architecture as much as an actual attack.

So please, with sugar on top, keep it up, and soon’ll not even discuss these “issues” anymore because by that time anybody’ll be utterly helpless to censor anything on the net.

]]> By: donaleen http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102715 donaleen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102715 Integrity is a good thing. Integrity is a good thing.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102975 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102975 That was a Pink Floyd reference... That was a Pink Floyd reference…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1103242 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1103242 Hats off to Mozilla for discovering that dealing with DHS is exactly like dealing with Righthaven and the RIAA! Hats off to Mozilla for discovering that dealing with DHS is exactly like dealing with Righthaven and the RIAA!

]]> By: bardfinn http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102739 bardfinn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102739 So, if the Mozilla Foundation is forced / decides to take down <i>their</i> link to the addon, will the ICE then go to Google and ask <i>Google</i> to take down all links to the addon? Ubuntu's parent corp, Canonical, is registered in the Isle of Man. Will they ask /them/ to block repositories containing ABrowser (generic, unbranded (completely free) FireFox) that has the addon available? "Excuse me, sirs, would you please stop helping people get around our governmentally-enforced censorship of the 21st century's telephone directories?" So, if the Mozilla Foundation is forced / decides to take down their link to the addon, will the ICE then go to Google and ask Google to take down all links to the addon?

Ubuntu’s parent corp, Canonical, is registered in the Isle of Man. Will they ask /them/ to block repositories containing ABrowser (generic, unbranded (completely free) FireFox) that has the addon available?

“Excuse me, sirs, would you please stop helping people get around our governmentally-enforced censorship of the 21st century’s telephone directories?”

]]> By: bardfinn http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102745 bardfinn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102745 *sound of helicopters hovering* <b>YOU!!</b> YES, YOU BEHIND THE <i>HOSTS</i> FILE! <b>STAND <i>STILL</i>, LADDIE!!!</b> *sound of helicopters hovering*

YOU!!

YES, YOU BEHIND THE HOSTS FILE!

STAND STILL, LADDIE!!!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102780 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102780 And then, because you look like one of the ten most wanted, you get a bullet in your brain. When they find out you're not who they were looking for, you get a burial at sea. Assange lookalikes need to cut and dye their hair ASAP. PS. Also helicopter crash. And then, because you look like one of the ten most wanted, you get a bullet in your brain.

When they find out you’re not who they were looking for, you get a burial at sea.

Assange lookalikes need to cut and dye their hair ASAP.

PS. Also helicopter crash.

]]> By: NoctilucentStudios http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1103046 NoctilucentStudios Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1103046 Wasn't there a quote somewhere about if you want to imagine the Future of the Human Race, just picture a boot stepping on a smiling face over and over again?? Wasn’t there a quote somewhere about if you want to imagine the Future of the Human Race, just picture a boot stepping on a smiling face over and over again??

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102537 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102537 Sounds to me like they gave them 11 more things to make laws about, not answer. The internet is losing this war. Sounds to me like they gave them 11 more things to make laws about, not answer. The internet is losing this war.

]]> By: caseyd http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1103049 caseyd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1103049 Remember Anderson works for a CEO and reports to a board - there are a number of players in this action. Remember Anderson works for a CEO and reports to a board – there are a number of players in this action.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102810 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102810 As donaleen said: integrity. It will be interesting to see what happens next. BB please follow up, As donaleen said: integrity.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. BB please follow up,

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102562 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102562 @anon and we're not moving a single finger about that. How lazy can you get? ACTA and the spanish copyright law was cooked in your backyard, you need to start acting as a group. But its not gonna happen is it? Im not american, but a friend from california showed me what a demonstration looks like up there. Pretty sad stuff. @anon
and we’re not moving a single finger about that.

How lazy can you get? ACTA and the spanish copyright law was cooked in your backyard, you need to start acting as a group. But its not gonna happen is it? Im not american, but a friend from california showed me what a demonstration looks like up there.
Pretty sad stuff.

]]> By: Kieran O'Neill http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102579 Kieran O'Neill Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102579 Wow - I wonder if Mozilla will stand by its principles if the court order comes. Or would IP-locking the plugin so it's only downloadable outside the US be adequate? Hmmm - what laws exist for making software itself illegal (beyond the encryption-as-munitions nonsense)? Wow – I wonder if Mozilla will stand by its principles if the court order comes.

Or would IP-locking the plugin so it’s only downloadable outside the US be adequate?

Hmmm – what laws exist for making software itself illegal (beyond the encryption-as-munitions nonsense)?

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102842 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102842 Anderson at this point deserves much respect if he holds out. But, that's the big question as far as his true integrity goes... is he just grandstanding or is he seriously going to stick to his principles. It would be amazing to see someone of his stature stick to actual principles in this day and age, it seems. That's sad, but I am warily watching to see what happens next. I guess I just can't completely give up hope just yet. Anderson at this point deserves much respect if he holds out. But, that’s the big question as far as his true integrity goes… is he just grandstanding or is he seriously going to stick to his principles.

It would be amazing to see someone of his stature stick to actual principles in this day and age, it seems. That’s sad, but I am warily watching to see what happens next. I guess I just can’t completely give up hope just yet.

]]> By: Joe http://boingboing.net/2011/05/05/mozilla-tells-dhs-we.html#comment-1102590 Joe Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1102590 Kieran, Mozilla's position is that they will only honor court orders, not requests, so if a court order comes, I expect them to challenge it in court, but not to defy the law. To do so doesn't violate their principles. Kieran, Mozilla’s position is that they will only honor court orders, not requests, so if a court order comes, I expect them to challenge it in court, but not to defy the law. To do so doesn’t violate their principles.

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